00:02:45 <zzo38> With systems that use a different epoch (or a different number of bits, or different units of measurement, etc) then the limit might be a different year; I don't know which ones are common other than UNIX and Windows (and perhaps DOS), but maybe there are some.
00:05:55 <zzo38> I also think the coloured rings are useful, but, it can be difficult if you are colour blind or are trying to make a picture that is not colours
00:06:17 <zzo38> (but, you can use a multimeter to test it)
00:10:38 <ais523> ext4 (the filesystem I'm currently running) uses 34-bit integers for timestamps
00:11:10 <ais523> which creates a somewhat weird extended Y2038 limit
00:11:14 <ais523> presumably it won't be in use by the time we get near that
00:14:40 <zzo38> I also have ext4, and I have read that somewhere as well
00:15:49 <ais523> (it's a bitfield with 30 bits for nanoseconds to fit the 0-999999999 range, meaning 34 bits are available for seconds)
00:18:48 <zzo38> I am not so sure that it should need that much precision, unless you are modifying a file during every nanosecond (and not more often or less often than that)
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00:24:13 <ais523> I'm actually a little concerned that very accurate timestamps could be a security risk against capability systems, because they provide more mechanisms via which a program could work out the current time and thus do sidechannel attacks
00:25:19 <ais523> some programs want to know whether a file has been modified since a given moment in time, so they might legitimately want to know the timestamp, but if the program isn't allowed to time things you have to prevent it timing things via creating files and looking at their timestamps
00:27:09 <zzo38> Yes, I also thought of the security with capability systems; my own idea for a computer design, the file does not have any built-in metadata; you could store a timestamp in there if you want to but the structure of the file system does not inherently include such things.
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00:27:46 <zzo38> (The use of proxy capabilities is also one of the things that would help, because e.g. you might not have access to some forks of the file)
00:30:47 <zzo38> (I have a git repository https://github.com/zzo38/computerdesign that I wrote some of my ideas so far but I did not write all of them yet, and some things are not decided yet, and/or may be changed in future.)
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00:43:44 <b_jonas> ais523: I mean just because the file system format allows precise timestamps doesn't mean that the file system driver always have to write timestamps that precise in there.
00:44:54 <ais523> in some cases it is useful to have a sort of "proxy time" (where the inside of a sandbox sees timestamps differently from how the outside sees them), having very accurate timestamps is useful for that because it increases the chance that the timestamp mapping is strongly increasing and thus a bijection (and thus invertible)
00:45:04 <zzo38> Yes, although it can mean that you do not have more bits for seconds because some are used for nanoseconds instead
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01:10:34 <pgmpiet> i am user Miui on the wiki ^.^
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01:19:32 <ais523> one of the big problems with moderating the wiki is dealing with pages that appear to describe a language, but where there isn't actually a language and the page is just art in the form of a language specification
01:20:17 <pgmpiet> honestly if i could i would go back and only do pgmpiet
01:20:34 <pgmpiet> took awhile to learn what is happening on the wiki
01:20:37 <ais523> some pages like that are quite popular, others aren't, but they kind-of go against the "anyone can edit a wiki" principle because the goal of editing a page should be to make it a better description of the language, and if the language doesn't actually exist, you cna't do that
01:21:55 <ais523> (this isn't a new problem, it dates back to at least TURKEY BOMB)
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01:26:45 <pgmpiet> i know technically i could be classified as a "learner" maybe its possible to move learner "langs" to a user archive or something?
01:29:02 <pgmpiet> that would also wrap up the links that go to the ai generated pages (which im not opposed to the deletion of)
01:29:34 <pgmpiet> personally its not a problem for me to outlink those machincations for contex
01:32:07 <ais523> perhaps moving pages back to userspace would make sense if they were done to practice making pages rather than to describe an esolang
01:32:26 <ais523> or they could be deleted, if there isn't actually a language there
01:34:11 <pgmpiet> i think thats an apt description of what was happening
01:36:45 <pgmpiet> what are your thoughts on pgmpiet? its not much different from piet but i made it to make it a little easier to work with the piet syntax
01:37:44 <pgmpiet> an external resource on the piet page is also a fine place for it
01:37:45 <ais523> it looks like it's just Piet with different syntax? although it's unclear how the commands work
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01:38:11 <ais523> I guess it might be a "trivial Piet substitution" in that it is the same language but with shades of gray rather than colors
01:38:15 <pgmpiet> if it does merit its own page i do need to describe the commands a bit
01:38:50 <ais523> historically these things have often been written on their own pages but I think that merging them into the page about the original language makes sense if the differences are small enough
01:38:56 <pgmpiet> i added one command to print the header to possibly make a quine easier but i dont think it would actually
01:39:10 <ais523> (or in cases like BF where there are a large number of derivatives, merging all the trivial substitutions onto a single page)
01:39:26 <pgmpiet> cool thanks for the feedback
01:39:29 <ais523> most quines are fairly easy to modify to print a fixed prefix
01:40:07 <ais523> ^ul (a(^ul )~&(:^)*S):^
01:40:11 <ais523> ^ul (a(^ul )~*(:^)*S):^
01:40:11 <fungot> ^ul (a(^ul )~*(:^)*S):^
01:41:37 <ais523> quines usually work by calculating a string that contains the program's source code, if you have such a string you can output an arbitrary function of it, e.g. adding prefixes to it
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01:47:13 <b_jonas> by the way it'll still be worth to try to write a Little Men quine. it can be done by standard techniques, no theoretical difficulties, but the language makes it annoying in practice.
01:51:56 <aadenboy> "trivial X substitution" is a fun term
01:52:16 <ais523> hmm, now you're making me wonder what a quine in Mornington Crescent would be like
01:52:21 <ais523> it seems to be the same sort of problem
01:52:49 <ais523> (standard techniques working but being annoying)
01:53:33 <esolangs> [[Talk:FlamePL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196069&oldid=196030 * PrySigneToFry * (+370)
02:45:54 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Miui * moved [[]] to [[User:Miui/]]: unnecessary page
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02:51:21 <fungot> ChimeraAnova: sarahbot doesn't allow syntactic keywords to be flagged for human reading it.
02:51:45 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Miui * moved [[Oragami]] to [[User:Miui/Oragami]]: existence of language unclear
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02:57:39 <esolangs> [[++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196127&oldid=190928 * Miui * (-3196) blanked page, tagged for deletion (reason: unnessecary page)
02:58:29 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ais523 * moved [[Miui/The Thought Police]] to [[User:Miui/The Thought Police]]: fix move to wrong namespace
02:58:48 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196129&oldid=195765 * Miui * (+50) /* esolangs */ moved some pages to user space
02:59:33 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ais523 * moved [[Miui/Choropleth]] to [[User:Miui/Choropleth]]: fix move to wrong namespace
02:59:33 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ais523 * moved [[Talk:Miui/Choropleth]] to [[User talk:Miui/Choropleth]]: fix move to wrong namespace
03:00:24 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ais523 * moved [[Miui/Dafne]] to [[User:Miui/Dafne]]: fix move to wrong namespace
03:00:24 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ais523 * moved [[Talk:Miui/Dafne]] to [[User talk:Miui/Dafne]]: fix move to wrong namespace
03:01:53 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Miui * moved [[Miui/Jesus!Alive!]] to [[User:Miui/Jesus!Alive!]]: fixed moved to namespace
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03:04:01 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Talk:BackroomsTDP]]": Deleted together with the associated page with reason: cross-namespace redirect
03:04:13 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[++]]": cross-namespace redirect
03:04:13 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Talk:++]]": Deleted together with the associated page with reason: cross-namespace redirect
03:04:28 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Kia SorrentoLX with no power-steering evading police in reverse]]": cross-namespace redirect
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03:04:50 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Talk:Oragami]]": Deleted together with the associated page with reason: cross-namespace redirect
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03:05:11 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Talk:Dafne]]": Deleted together with the associated page with reason: cross-namespace redirect
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03:05:35 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Talk:See Two]]": Deleted together with the associated page with reason: cross-namespace redirect
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03:08:49 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[2-packets]]": not an esolang, blanked by author
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03:10:23 <pgmpiet> hello. i started moving my pages. hopefully that was the correct action. my apologies for the mistakes
03:12:56 <ais523> I think I fixed the mistakes
03:13:26 <pgmpiet> im cross checking by adding links on my userpage
03:13:50 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196139&oldid=196129 * Miui * (+20) /* esolangs */
03:14:11 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196140&oldid=196139 * Miui * (-219) /* Constant languages */
03:14:28 <pgmpiet> there are a bunch more i'll try to get to later
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03:15:33 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196141&oldid=196140 * Miui * (+19) /* Works in progress */ should be all for now
03:34:27 <fungot> echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr ha rainbow rainbow2 welcome me tell eval elikoski list ping def a thanks tmp2 8ball rreree rerere botsnack bf
03:34:33 <fungot> +15[>+4>+7>+7>+8<4-]>3-.>-4..<2+7.+3.<-2.-11..>2-3.<.>2-5.-3.<-4.>+2.<+6.<.<-.>3+.+3.<.<2+.>+4.>+2.+2.-2.<2.,[.,]
03:34:58 <fungot> >2,[[-<+2>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[<[-]+>->+<[<-]]]]]]]]]]>]<2[>+6[<+8>-]<-.[-]<]+32.[-]>2,]
03:35:14 <fungot> 72 101 108 108 111 44 32 119 111 114 108 100 33
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03:38:24 <aadenboy> `ame 256 72 101 108 108 111 44 32 119 111 114 108 100 33
03:38:27 <HackEso> Usage: from <base> <array>, to <base> <num1> [num2] ...
03:38:28 <aadenboy> `` ame 256 72 101 108 108 111 44 32 119 111 114 108 100 33
03:38:38 <aadenboy> `` ame to 256 72 101 108 108 111 44 32 119 111 114 108 100 33
03:38:40 <HackEso> 2645608968347327576478451524936
03:39:13 <aadenboy> `` ame from 256 2645608968347327576478451524936
03:39:16 <HackEso> 72 101 108 108 111 44 32 119 111 114 108 100 33
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04:22:24 <esolangs> [[Bitwise Cyclic Tist]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196142&oldid=196005 * Cordership * (-14)
04:22:26 <HackEso> Usage: from <base> <array>, to <base> <num1> [num2] ...
04:23:11 <esolangs> [[Talk:Bitwise Cyclic Tist]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196143&oldid=196053 * Cordership * (+208) /* this is just bitwise cyclic tag */ new section
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04:25:12 <MarkFan8901> we found the term we were looking for for that one ai idea we had
04:25:43 <MarkFan8901> we basically wanna do that but instead of pure math equations its some general programming language
04:27:11 <MarkFan8901> something more about symbolic regression though
04:27:34 <MarkFan8901> our specific idea with how the general programming language would be constructed is that itd have to be VERY easy to create new commands with it
04:28:07 <MarkFan8901> a la how forth is able to bootstrap such semantically dense words so quickly
04:28:39 <MarkFan8901> but also still be able to be internally configurable enough for laerning to be possible
04:29:17 <MarkFan8901> we have a hypothesis that this is actually how neural networks learn things at a fundamental level too
04:30:32 <MarkFan8901> this video https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=D8GOeCFFby4 talks about Exactly how a neural network learned to perform modular addition
04:31:06 <MarkFan8901> and the way it did it was by first memorizing all the answers, then over time learning how to generate sine waves
04:32:52 <MarkFan8901> Then, it learned how to manipulate them with addition and multiplication until it could successfully generalize all the answers
04:33:17 <MarkFan8901> we gotta rewatch the video to remember the specifics, but
04:34:04 <MarkFan8901> we feel like this pattern of building custom commands to solve problems is exactly what neural networks are doing, we imagine all the way up to how theyre currently being used right now
04:34:18 <b_jonas> I wanted to say that addition is easy, it's only like these forty lines of definition in https://math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/Bin.hs , but it turns out that one has had a typo all this time and says "addittion" with two "t", that's kind of embarrassing
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04:35:30 <MarkFan8901> MarkFan8901: making a symbolic programming language that can mimic this behavior seems kind of tricky though
04:36:13 <MarkFan8901> one of the strong suits of neural networks is that, starting with a random configuration, a slight change in one node only makes a slight change in the overall computation it's doing
04:36:49 <MarkFan8901> which we imagine makes it quite easy to stumble into the necessary tools you would need to start building more useful commands
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04:38:06 <MarkFan8901> that would be in comparison with starting with set rules about the language, where a slight change in one command of a random program would have a very nontrivial cascading effect
04:38:27 <aadenboy> ais523: I didn't implement flags for the ame command, it does that by default if there are less than three arguments
04:38:33 <HackEso> Usage: from <base> <array>, to <base> <num1> [num2] ...
04:39:12 <MarkFan8901> the difficulty would be making a language that can implement new commands So well that this would be negligible in the starting phases
04:40:05 <MarkFan8901> maybe some language which had a comically small amount of commands to start with which would cause lots of repetition in useful code
04:40:42 <MarkFan8901> which would therefore be easily compressible, therefore easy to make new commands in, would work
04:41:26 <MarkFan8901> what about a language thats designed to be compressed perfectly with gzip
04:42:14 <MarkFan8901> or like, in general a programming language designed in conjunction with a certain method of compression
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04:45:21 <fungot> ChimeraAnova: haskell's ' data' is plural, not asking what you understand as " call-by-value"?
04:45:58 <MarkFan8901> we realized something in common with forth and haskell earlier
04:47:19 <esolangs> [[User talk:Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196144&oldid=149449 * Marcus 2n2 * (+371) Since no one responded I'll just ask you
04:48:11 <MarkFan8901> we think it has something to do with intent
04:48:15 <ChimeraAnova> off-topic to your conversation but there should be a language where data can be singular or plural
04:48:36 <MarkFan8901> programming language which can evolve like a natural language
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04:50:01 <MarkFan8901> MarkFan8901: we remember this one REALLY cool (but probably not original) paper
04:50:41 <MarkFan8901> where they deduce the combinator J from the properties that JJ -> S and JJJ -> K or smth
04:51:49 <MarkFan8901> and we thought it was so cool cuz the way they did it was by practically just breaking the properties of such a combinator down more and more until it basically just wrote itself
04:52:07 <MarkFan8901> and something clicked with us about that and haskell
04:52:16 <MarkFan8901> we realized thats basically how haskell programming works
04:52:53 <MarkFan8901> you think about what properties your program *would* have, breaking it down into further and further sub-programs, until each of those programs also just write themselves
04:53:20 <MarkFan8901> and we think thats a very elegant definition of a declarative language
04:53:47 <MarkFan8901> one where you sift the program from your intent about what it should do
04:54:41 <MarkFan8901> forth has kind of a similar thing going on with it, except by a completely different mechanism
04:55:56 <MarkFan8901> whereas haskell was designed heavily from a top-down, academic point of view to achieve that effect, forth got it by virtue of being so bent on low-level understanding and control
04:56:45 <MarkFan8901> when you write a forth program, youre not only thinking hard about what your program actually does, but what your hardware actually does too
04:57:25 <MarkFan8901> and a lot of forth programming is figuring out how to make your hardware do what you want your program to do most efficiently
04:57:44 <MarkFan8901> which naturally also requires understanding what you actually want your program to do intimately
04:58:56 <MarkFan8901> the thing the two languages have in common is that, in both of them, you learn your own intentions so hard that the program gets written simply as a side effect
05:00:08 <MarkFan8901> and we feel like whatever process this learning is might be formalizable
05:00:36 <MarkFan8901> ofc in conjunction with the proper language for it
05:01:18 <MarkFan8901> <MarkFan8901: and we feel like whatever process this learning is might be formalizable> to specify, we mean specifically the process people take to do this
05:01:45 <MarkFan8901> we wanna try getting good at this kind of interrogation to see what methods we naturally create to do that
05:02:13 <MarkFan8901> then see if we can make certain rules out of them that are formal enough to be automated
05:18:11 <esolangs> [[Quaternions]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=196145 * Cleverxia * (+2647) another one
05:19:25 <esolangs> [[Quaternions]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196146&oldid=196145 * Cleverxia * (-9) fix definition
05:25:03 <esolangs> [[User talk:Blashyrkh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196147&oldid=195700 * Cleverxia * (+159) /* Quaternions */ new section
05:25:48 <esolangs> [[Quaternions]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196148&oldid=196146 * Cleverxia * (-4) actually synced
05:26:49 <esolangs> [[Quaternions]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196149&oldid=196148 * Cleverxia * (+56) do some hacky formatting
05:27:17 <esolangs> [[Quaternions]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196150&oldid=196149 * Cleverxia * (-51)
05:27:45 <esolangs> [[Quaternions]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196151&oldid=196150 * Cleverxia * (-5) I give up
05:28:14 <fungot> 72 101 108 108 111 44 32 119 111 114 108 100 33
05:37:36 <esolangs> [[Dolfins grace]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196152&oldid=152080 * Cordership * (+32) /* "fun" with portals */
05:40:45 <esolangs> [[User talk:Blashyrkh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196153&oldid=196147 * Blashyrkh * (+356) /* Quaternions */
05:47:59 <esolangs> [[User talk:Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196154&oldid=196144 * PkmnQ * (+200) /* - and number in 5 */ I feel like one of these has an easy answer
05:50:05 <esolangs> [[User talk:Blashyrkh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196155&oldid=196153 * Blashyrkh * (+403) /* Quaternions */
05:57:37 <esolangs> [[Quaternions]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196156&oldid=196151 * Cleverxia * (+1) /* program flow */
05:58:35 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196157&oldid=196096 * Miui * (+2567) /* Examples */
06:00:37 <aadenboy> finally finished the brainfuck interpreter in 3d brainfuck
06:01:02 <aadenboy> sadly can't share it yet since. playtester only..... but Wow!
06:01:23 <aadenboy> sorry 3d cellua not 3d brainfuck
06:01:30 <esolangs> [[Bottles of beer on the wall]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196158&oldid=192549 * Qazwsxplm * (+7) /* Will It Work? */
06:02:12 <esolangs> [[Bottles of beer on the wall]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196159&oldid=196158 * Qazwsxplm * (+66) /* Will It Work? */
06:03:00 <esolangs> [[Bobotw]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196160&oldid=192543 * Qazwsxplm * (+32)
06:06:15 <esolangs> [[Quaternions]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196161&oldid=196156 * Cleverxia * (+2085)
06:08:47 <esolangs> [[Quaternions]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196162&oldid=196161 * Cleverxia * (-60) /* Interpreter */
06:08:58 <esolangs> [[Quaternions]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196163&oldid=196162 * Cleverxia * (+0) /* Truth machine */
06:19:06 <esolangs> [[Chef]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196164&oldid=194806 * Qazwsxplm * (+8) /* See also */
06:23:10 <esolangs> [[User:Cleverxia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196165&oldid=195834 * Cleverxia * (+116) add [[Quaterions]]
06:23:45 <esolangs> [[User:Cleverxia]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196166&oldid=196165 * Cleverxia * (+1)
06:24:15 <esolangs> [[Quaterions]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=196167 * Cleverxia * (+25) why do I typoed it another time
06:36:04 <esolangs> [[Bitdeque]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196168&oldid=189079 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+1300) Added translation from Turing-machines
06:39:18 <esolangs> [[Talk:Three Star Programmer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196169&oldid=54323 * Cleverxia * (+250)
06:53:56 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196170&oldid=196157 * Miui * (+586) /* Computational Class */
06:56:53 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196171&oldid=196170 * Miui * (+74) /* See Also */ 17
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07:12:09 <esolangs> [[User talk:Blashyrkh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196172&oldid=196155 * Cleverxia * (+361) /* Quaternions */
07:13:40 <esolangs> [[User talk:Blashyrkh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196173&oldid=196172 * Cleverxia * (+70) /* Quaternions */
07:22:19 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Golf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196174&oldid=196052 * Blashyrkh * (+42) Add [[Quaternions]]
07:23:54 <esolangs> [[User talk:Blashyrkh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196175&oldid=196173 * Blashyrkh * (+438) /* Quaternions */
07:29:33 <MarkFan8901> > This version is synced with esolanging wiki
07:29:34 <lambdabot> This :: t0 -> t1 -> t2 -> t3 -> t4 -> t5 -> tVariable not in scope: versio...
07:29:47 <MarkFan8901> isnt the esolanging wiki supposed to be about the process of esolanging
07:30:00 <esolangs> [[User talk:Blashyrkh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196176&oldid=196175 * PkmnQ * (+266) /* Quaternions */ Might as well
07:30:07 <MarkFan8901> Also plastering the link on there like that feels like advertising
07:36:23 <ChimeraAnova> I guess we should've made the clear purpose more explicit
07:37:23 <MarkFan8901> having *some* esolang pages would be useful though, as a way to dissect their design and what you could learn from them
07:37:31 <MarkFan8901> but theyd have to be like the really popular languages
07:38:25 <MarkFan8901> or otherwise be rooted enough in cold hard creativity to be worthy of such dissections, like fractran
07:39:14 <MarkFan8901> Not to say fractran isnt one of the big ones, but thats a very good example of a language which would be incredibly nutritious to thoroughly go through and understand
07:39:44 <esolangs> [[User talk:Blashyrkh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196177&oldid=196176 * Cleverxia * (+293) /* Quaternions */
07:39:53 <esolangs> [[User talk:Blashyrkh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196178&oldid=196177 * Blashyrkh * (+501) /* Quaternions */
07:42:23 <esolangs> [[User talk:Blashyrkh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196179&oldid=196178 * Blashyrkh * (+111) /* Quaternions */
07:43:04 <lambdabot> Variable not in scope: factor :: t0 -> t
07:43:12 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:1: error: parse error on input `+'
07:43:12 <lambdabot> Variable not in scope: factor :: t0 -> t
07:43:12 <aadenboy> okay the 3d cellua brainfuck interpreter is actually working now
07:43:38 <lambdabot> Variable not in scope: factor :: t0 -> t
07:43:39 <MarkFan8901> now make it so you can edit the local structure of the lattice
07:43:45 <aadenboy> `` ame from primes 129410512590129051259
07:43:48 <HackEso> Ran out of primes \ 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
07:44:07 <esolangs> [[Talk:BFFuck/3.x plans]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196180&oldid=195978 * None1 * (+460)
07:44:57 <esolangs> [[Talk:BFFuck/3.x plans]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196181&oldid=196180 * None1 * (+3)
07:45:09 <HackEso> Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on \ none 25626004 16528472 9081148 65% /bin \ none 65536 0 65536 0% /dev \ none 25626004 16528472 9081148 65% /lib \ tmpfs 122052 0 122052 0% /tmp \ none 25626004 16528472 9081148 65% /usr \ none 25626004 16528472 9081148 65% /sbin \ none 25626004 16528472 9081148 65% /lib64 \ non
07:45:12 <esolangs> [[Talk:BFFuck/3.x plans]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196182&oldid=196181 * None1 * (+0)
07:45:49 <MarkFan8901> aadenboy: assuming the tape was in the shape of a cube, the directions you could go on each given cell would make the shape of a lattice
07:45:50 <esolangs> [[Talk:BFFuck/3.x plans]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196183&oldid=196182 * None1 * (+34)
07:45:51 <HackEso> Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on \ - 0 0 0 - /
07:46:01 <esolangs> [[Talk:BFFuck/3.x plans]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196184&oldid=196183 * None1 * (+1)
07:46:17 <MarkFan8901> what if you could change the structure in some areas so that going in one direction would lead you to a different cell
07:46:39 <aadenboy> [3d cellua] (a cellular automaton) [brainfuck interpreter]
07:47:38 <fungot> 72 101 108 108 111 44 32 119 111 114 108 100 33
07:47:45 <aadenboy> `` ame to primes 72 101 108 108 111 44 32 119 111 114 108 100 33
07:47:48 <HackEso> 5075931560134850560426672751256646986873362664473396595149496813647655161762298465995640926737562374755345627459774893235077467391993744224639545660539812845957546421303452262278131734464063677817383905321734545832751910480116338456217194200550488390571471640986775787513991155433934487021885870746942570496
07:48:00 <aadenboy> `` ame from primes 5075931560134850560426672751256646986873362664473396595149496813647655161762298465995640926737562374755345627459774893235077467391993744224639545660539812845957546421303452262278131734464063677817383905321734545832751910480116338456217194200550488390571471640986775787513991155433934487021885870746942570496
07:48:04 <HackEso> Ran out of primes \ 72 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
07:48:22 <aadenboy> `` ame to primes 72 101 108 108 111
07:48:25 <HackEso> 25632258933448985245161455874009147775364231891108291447016713358467190805141274200027989035987203225121823239617034426846224118258074604377158505360090037089077936303496819349146597738001035197965517463446177401256700946757626021886840925494492587340123891331899018867393114533395068462129514000850660360192
07:48:34 <HackEso> 22499189976894325709281596781465687936089271766875754110515117645263671875000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
07:48:46 <aadenboy> `` ame from primes 22499189976894325709281596781465687936089271766875754110515117645263671875000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
07:49:12 <esolangs> [[CQfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196185&oldid=195930 * Cleverxia * (-5) /* Truth-machine */ golfier
07:50:19 <esolangs> [[User talk:Blashyrkh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196186&oldid=196179 * Blashyrkh * (+289) /* Quaternions */ The reason why A+B is in my table
07:50:24 <esolangs> [[Quaternions]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196187&oldid=196163 * MarkFan8901 * (-138) not sure if linking to the esolanging wiki like that is appropriate, it feels like advertising
07:52:38 <esolangs> [[Quaternions]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196188&oldid=196187 * MarkFan8901 * (+3) capitalization
07:53:20 <esolangs> [[Quaternions]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196189&oldid=196188 * MarkFan8901 * (+0)
07:54:58 <MarkFan8901> do you guys think [[Quaternions]] should be moved to [[Quaternions (Cleverxia)]]
07:55:10 <MarkFan8901> so that the name wouldnt overlap with an actual page on quaternions
07:56:06 <MarkFan8901> ya honesty we were kinda shy to do it cuz we already made a few edits on the page
07:56:41 <ChimeraAnova> c2bf with function pointers would be really cool
07:56:52 <esolangs> [[Beer]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=196190 * None1 * (+1475) Created page with "'''Beer''' is an esolang invented by [[User:None1]] and inspired by the lyrics of [[99 bottles of beer]]. ==Variables== This esolang uses unbounded signed integer variables. Assigning to a non-existent variable creates it and reading a non-existent variable returns 0. ===Cur
07:57:16 <MarkFan8901> you just have to increment a cell to a pointer then call it
07:58:28 <ChimeraAnova> that with address space layout randomization would be really funny
07:58:55 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196191&oldid=195802 * None1 * (+75) /* General languages */
07:59:16 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196192&oldid=195471 * None1 * (+75) /* My Esolangs */
08:04:09 <MarkFan8901> we stumbled onto [[Lynthology/Implementation]] from clicking [[Random page]] over and over again
08:04:16 <MarkFan8901> its sad to see that it was written with claude
08:04:47 <MarkFan8901> because the premise of the language sounds very relevant to our spiel on ai from earlier
08:05:18 <MarkFan8901> the "possible" (quote from wiki) implementation being written with claude does not bode well for the page itself
08:05:48 <ChimeraAnova> The language itself was AI generated or the implementation?
08:06:08 <MarkFan8901> and it doesnt bode well cuz that could imply the page was too
08:06:15 <MarkFan8901> However after reading it we dont think thats the case
08:08:52 <esolangs> [[Talk:Beer]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=196193 * Cleverxia * (+145) Created page with "can {{cd|num}} be a variable or {{cd|var}} be a number?~~~~"
08:09:28 <ChimeraAnova> Now that I read the [[Lythnology]] page the idea is very cool
08:09:34 <esolangs> [[User talk:Blashyrkh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196194&oldid=196186 * Cleverxia * (+256) /* Quaternions */
08:09:44 <MarkFan8901> ChimeraAnova: yea we're just starting to take it in
08:10:00 <MarkFan8901> but god the wording is incredibly confusing
08:10:01 <esolangs> [[User talk:Blashyrkh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196195&oldid=196194 * Cleverxia * (+1) /* Quaternions */
08:11:34 <MarkFan8901> currently what we understand of it is that words have affordances and values
08:12:06 <MarkFan8901> affordances are how the words interact with others around them, and values are what they evaluate to when treated as an expression
08:12:46 <MarkFan8901> by default, undefined words have zero affordances and evaluate to themselves
08:14:30 <MarkFan8901> words can also have multiple values, but we dont know what exactly that means yet
08:18:46 <MarkFan8901> it completely flubs on the explanation of attributes
08:19:14 <MarkFan8901> ChimeraAnova: could you explain how attributes work in lynthology ;w;
08:21:43 <esolangs> [[User:Cleverxia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196196&oldid=196166 * Cleverxia * (+60) /* Current Non-Esolangs I've created */
08:23:02 <ChimeraAnova> It looks like the "affordances" of a word is its special behavior, for example "SAY" has the "affordance"/effect of printing what you gave it
08:23:26 <MarkFan8901> right, but how do defining new affordances work
08:23:48 <MarkFan8901> like if we wanted to make a function that added two bits together, how would that work
08:25:45 <esolangs> [[User:Cleverxia/golfing results]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=196197 * Cleverxia * (+580) create an empty golfing page
08:26:12 <ChimeraAnova> I think what you want can be achieved with TRANSFORMS, you can concat your two bits (for example, I and I to II) then transforms can transform it (looks like a half-adder) so OO and II become O while OI and IO become I
08:27:00 <MarkFan8901> what if you wanted a word which acted like an infix NAND
08:27:13 <MarkFan8901> so you could say something like `I NAND I` and it would return `O`
08:27:34 <MarkFan8901> since we assume thats where the [[Category:Self modifying]] tag comes from
08:28:29 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Golf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196198&oldid=196174 * Blashyrkh * (+381) Add [[Looping counter]] program form
08:29:08 <ChimeraAnova> I guess you could do some freaky stuff with TRANSFORMS and make I/O TRANSFORM their argument somehow, I'm not entirely sure though if you can just do that (although based on `PRINT IS SAY`, I think you can?)
08:29:13 <MarkFan8901> [[😀lang]] is just a trivial bf substitution
08:29:28 <esolangs> [[User talk:Blashyrkh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196199&oldid=196195 * Blashyrkh * (+134) /* Quaternions */
08:29:43 <MarkFan8901> ChimeraAnova: ya this language seems like its limited by its primitives
08:30:25 <MarkFan8901> we should come up with a few basic words that could allow its self modifying nature to truly flourish
08:31:26 <esolangs> [[Beer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196200&oldid=196190 * None1 * (+68) /* Commands */
08:31:32 <MarkFan8901> <MarkFan8901: [[😀lang]] is just a trivial bf substitution>: something funny about the original definition is that it also hard codes the cat program as an explicit command into the language definition itself
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08:32:25 <ChimeraAnova> We should have more languages where the cat program is hard-coded
08:32:32 <esolangs> [[Talk:Beer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196203&oldid=196193 * None1 * (+307)
08:34:16 <ChimeraAnova> MarkFan8901: HQ9C doesn't exist yet so if you don't mind being evaporated then you could make it real (outside our minds)
08:35:33 <ChimeraAnova> (I won't evaporate you but someone else might)
08:35:56 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Community portal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196204&oldid=195248 * None1 * (+716) /* Logged-in user got verification message when accessing Special:RecentChanges */ new section
08:36:33 <MarkFan8901> ChimeraAnova: we would be the ones evaporating
08:36:38 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Community portal]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196205&oldid=196204 * None1 * (-2) /* Logged-in user got verification message when accessing Special:RecentChanges */
08:36:43 <MarkFan8901> us making the page would be a suicide mission
08:37:17 <esolangs> [[User:Cleverxia/golfing results]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196206&oldid=196197 * Cleverxia * (+38)
08:37:37 <ChimeraAnova> Someone made an HQ9+ derivative and was found shattered into 8941284901891265128956857120471290571985671286894712048912418024712894012 pieces
08:39:24 <MarkFan8901> thats ~10^10 pieces away from all atoms in the universe
08:39:28 <esolangs> [[User:Cleverxia/golfing results]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196207&oldid=196206 * Cleverxia * (+59)
08:40:01 <MarkFan8901> the person who got shattered is responsible for approximately 1e-10% of all atoms in the observable universe
08:40:25 <ChimeraAnova> And their protons and neutrons were shattered into their respective quarks
08:40:34 <ChimeraAnova> And then those quarks were somehow shattered as well
08:41:14 <esolangs> [[Beer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196208&oldid=196202 * None1 * (+257) /* Examples */
08:41:41 <esolangs> [[Beer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196209&oldid=196208 * None1 * (+43) /* Commands */
08:41:55 <esolangs> [[Beer]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196210&oldid=196209 * None1 * (+25) /* Computational class */
08:42:39 <esolangs> [[Beer]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196211&oldid=196210 * None1 * (+1) /* Current variable */
08:42:53 <ChimeraAnova> The autopsy revealed they were conscious for like 7 seconds after being shattered so I wonder how painful being shattered into that many pieces must have been
08:44:46 <esolangs> [[Beer]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196212&oldid=196211 * None1 * (+37) /* Hello, world! */
08:44:48 <MarkFan8901> this person was made out of more atoms than the sun
08:45:38 <ChimeraAnova> And their electrons, protons, and neutrons got shattered
08:46:26 <MarkFan8901> oh so they were in a room when it happened
08:46:50 <ChimeraAnova> They made the HQ9+ derivative in their bedroom before being brutally shattered into [I'm not typing that number again] pieces
08:48:05 <MarkFan8901> the fact there was an autopsy implies they were still in an examinable state after the shattering
08:48:11 <ChimeraAnova> I think they tried to put them back but they were missing a proton
08:48:47 <MarkFan8901> MarkFan8901: which implies it didnt actually affect the structure of their body that much
08:48:53 <MarkFan8901> which makes sense, it was their atoms not their protiens
08:51:41 <ChimeraAnova> It was kinda like if you dropped a lego build from the 153rd floor of a skyscraper
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08:59:46 <esolangs> [[Talk:COW]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196213&oldid=30855 * None1 * (+356) /* Why is this Pseudonatural? */ new section
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09:17:24 <esolangs> [[Beer]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196215&oldid=196212 * None1 * (-11) /* Truth Machine */
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09:22:19 <esolangs> [[BFFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196217&oldid=130649 * None1 * (+170) /* Examples */
09:23:31 <esolangs> [[BFFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196218&oldid=196217 * None1 * (+7449) /* Output (pseudo) random characters */
09:25:22 <esolangs> [[BFFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196219&oldid=196218 * None1 * (-3580) /* Output (pseudo) random characters */
09:32:29 <esolangs> [[Beer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196220&oldid=196215 * None1 * (+38) /* Commands */
09:32:55 <esolangs> [[Beer]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196221&oldid=196220 * None1 * (+0) /* Truth Machine */
09:33:30 <esolangs> [[Beer]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196222&oldid=196221 * None1 * (+156) /* Hello, world! */
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09:36:09 <de67> hi MarkFan8901
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09:53:28 <esolangs> [[Quaternions]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196223&oldid=196189 * Cleverxia * (+148) [[looping counter]]
09:54:18 <esolangs> [[User:Cleverxia/golfing results]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196224&oldid=196207 * Cleverxia * (+46)
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09:56:43 <esolangs> [[Quaternions]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196225&oldid=196223 * Cleverxia * (+339) /* unary Looping counter */
10:19:29 <esolangs> [[14]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196226&oldid=195705 * Blashyrkh * (-7) /* Looping counter */ The [[Looping counter]] example was incorrect. It printed single asterisk on each line instead of arithmetic progression of asterisks. I replaced it with my golfed one
10:20:52 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Golf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196227&oldid=196198 * Blashyrkh * (+34) [[Looping counter]] @ [[14]] (33 bytes)
10:22:56 <esolangs> [[Do while true]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196228&oldid=175705 * Cleverxia * (+0) /* Interpreter in node.js */
10:23:17 <esolangs> [[Do while true]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196229&oldid=196228 * Cleverxia * (+0) /* Interpreter in node.js */ another bug
10:23:33 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Golf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196230&oldid=196227 * Blashyrkh * (+66) List of competitors' pages
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10:40:53 <esolangs> [[14]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196231&oldid=196226 * Blashyrkh * (-1) /* Truth-machine */ Shorter [[Truth-machine]] (17 > 16)
10:42:29 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Golf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196232&oldid=196230 * Blashyrkh * (+32) [[Truth-machine]] @ [[14]] (16 bytes instead of the language author's 17)
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10:55:06 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Golf]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196233&oldid=196232 * Blashyrkh * (+32) [[Kolakoski sequence]] @ [[Lazy K]] - add link to the code
10:58:54 <esolangs> [[User:PkmnQ/Golf]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=196234 * PkmnQ * (+858) I know I said I was going to do the quines first, but I got sidetracked
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11:24:44 <ChimeraAnova> Salutations fungot, how is thy condition of today?
11:24:44 <fungot> ChimeraAnova: where's your ancestor? " fnord" is the new guile
11:25:06 <ChimeraAnova> (that definitely sounds strange if you don't know the original message)
11:25:27 <de67> hi, did you know that you cant say your own nick?
11:26:00 <de67> that is truthful
11:27:01 <ChimeraAnova> fungot, what is (thinking component of an individual)fuck?
11:27:01 <fungot> ChimeraAnova: well the common lisp standard
11:27:02 <de67> avoiding fifth glyph isnt that hard actually
11:27:53 <de67> shouldnt you avoid r too?
11:27:56 <ChimeraAnova> But, you cannot say the two digits in thy nick
11:28:39 <ChimeraAnova> Candid, it isn't that difficult to avoid said glyph
11:29:45 <de67> your wording is discombobulating
11:30:53 <esolangs> [[Talk:Underload]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196236&oldid=167095 * TomosCode * (+263) added a new program that I made
11:32:44 <ChimeraAnova> Not "no ifs and buts" if it's that plain if you do it with (six plus six plus six)-th glyph, though.
11:36:00 <ChimeraAnova> Candid, my ongoing way of communicating is, with an early look, confounding.
11:37:23 <ChimeraAnova> I'm doubtful to what amount thy way of communicating is discombobulating, though.
11:38:11 <de67> i won by (mostly) not playing
11:42:44 <ChimeraAnova> I still think that an individual must build a communication path with computing thingamabobs in which thou can not apply individual glyphs to thy application, that would do for an awfully gracious communication path with computing contraptions.
11:43:12 <de67> and fifth glyph!
11:43:57 <ChimeraAnova> fungot, as I lost our communication path activity, can you also play it?
11:44:13 <fungot> de67: on the other hand, pulls out a number from an integer to a floating point variable or so for full set of variants unless you have nested maps of closures operating on hash splices of regular expression descriptors.
11:44:17 <ChimeraAnova> fungot, as I lost our communication path activity, can you also play it?
11:44:17 <fungot> ChimeraAnova: we need a functional keyboard, where we have access from our library. not about the size reduction, did you give up and advocate to use " bytes", the same way
11:44:57 <ChimeraAnova> "wE nEEd a functional kEyboaRd, whERE wE havE accEss fRom ouR libRaRy."
11:46:15 <de67> also, you lost too, as in, a word which i cannot say has both glyphs which i cannot say
11:46:59 <ChimeraAnova> Us both (fungot and I) lost our activity involving our way of communication
11:46:59 <fungot> ChimeraAnova: it's quite certainly there: fnord/ fnord/ fnord.
11:47:06 <de67> should i succumb and join you?
11:48:03 <de67> how do i word it?
11:48:43 <de67> only fifth glyph i cannot say
11:48:44 <lambdabot> Variable not in scope: factor :: t0 -> t
11:48:49 <lambdabot> Variable not in scope: factor :: t0 -> t
11:50:06 <ChimeraAnova> I last saw long ago, this functionality working
11:50:48 <ChimeraAnova> Not "no ifs or buts" if I'm not loading it intact
11:50:57 <de67> why do you format dot dot dot in that way?
11:51:35 <ChimeraAnova> An individual with a nick I can't say also formats ". . ." in this way
11:53:06 <de67> i thank you for stopping my discombobulation
11:54:14 <ChimeraAnova> Now that our language game is over I think I want to make a table or find-and-replace program that can play this game unfairly
11:54:52 <ChimeraAnova> By "unfairly" I mean it just does find-and-replace
11:56:12 <de67> how about it just puts a warning as you write?
11:56:28 <de67> to stop you from writing a glyph that you cant say?
11:57:19 <de67> that is a bit too much
11:58:08 <fungot> ChimeraAnova: i thought it was an article written by someone else: ' although there are 4 pages that are usually huge dicks. with a java applet
11:59:54 <de67> i think that is truthful
12:00:37 <ChimeraAnova> So you have to use global variables, for example A+B: `int c;void add(int a, int b){c = a + b;}int main(){add(5, 3);}`
12:02:12 <fizzie> `factor 18041289418257
12:02:14 <HackEso> 18041289418257: 3 7 17 677 74646713
12:02:25 <ChimeraAnova> Hindi ko alam kung magiging mas madali o mas mahirap ito kapag gumamit ka ng ibang wika maliban sa ginamit natin
12:02:32 <ChimeraAnova> Oh it was a HackEso command, not a lambdabot one
12:02:56 <ChimeraAnova> OF COURSE IT'S 17 IT'S ALWAYS THE NUMBER SEVENTEEN
12:03:07 <de67> in the no e game
12:03:20 <HackEso> 9015901257751: 19 29 16362797201
12:03:28 <de67> fizzie: can you pliz add interwiki link to esolanging wiki?
12:03:36 <HackEso> 2147483438417129084102849124: 2 2 3 29 37 3359 49652240618096414461
12:03:48 <HackEso> 21474834384171290841028491241: 41 173 277 10929998297081065249681
12:04:19 <de67> 6+7=13, which is unlucky
12:04:27 <de67> 6*7=42 which is the meaning of life
12:05:44 <de67> 67 is really a great number
12:06:05 <de67> WAIT A DAMN SECOND
12:08:32 <ChimeraAnova> 67 is prime + semiprime + lucky, 69 is semiprime, 71 is prime + semiprime
12:09:08 <int-e> primes aren't semiprimes
12:09:28 <ChimeraAnova> 67 is prime + lucky, 69 is semiprime, 71 is prime
12:10:36 <ChimeraAnova> 67 is prime + superprime + lucky, 69 is semiprime, 71 is prime
12:11:21 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196237&oldid=195741 * Cordership * (+88) /* Syntax */
12:11:22 <int-e> also, except for 4 and 6, no two even semiprimes are exactly 2 apart, because for all such even numbers, one of them is divisible by 2*2.
12:11:43 <int-e> so one of 66 or 68 had to fail to be a semiprime :P
12:12:24 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196238&oldid=196237 * Cordership * (+49) /* ROT13 encoder */
12:13:43 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196239&oldid=196238 * Cordership * (+85) /* Finding errors */
12:13:51 <ChimeraAnova> ROT26 is my favorite encryption algorithm and IRC port 6667 uses it so it must be good
12:14:04 <ChimeraAnova> It's also like ROT13 in that you can use the encoder as the decoder
12:14:23 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196240&oldid=196239 * Cordership * (-85) /* Finding errors */
12:15:27 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196241&oldid=196240 * Cordership * (+1) /* Syntax */
12:16:10 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196242&oldid=196241 * Cordership * (+27) /* Cat program */
12:17:17 <esolangs> [[List of quines]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196243&oldid=193715 * Cordership * (+28) /* Self-modifying Brainfuck# */
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12:24:01 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Golf/Code]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=196244 * Blashyrkh * (+437) [[Kolakoski sequence]] @ [[Brainfuck]] - 80 bytes
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12:34:10 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Golf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196246&oldid=196235 * Blashyrkh * (+147) [[Kolakoski sequence]] @ [[Brainfuck]] - 80 bytes, not beaten anymore
12:45:35 <esolangs> [[FlamePL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196247&oldid=195987 * PrySigneToFry * (+445)
12:59:09 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Soup Girls * New user account
13:03:36 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196248&oldid=195995 * Soup Girls * (+109) added an introduction
13:04:29 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196249&oldid=196248 * Soup Girls * (+72) fixed the signature (lesson learned, preview first!)
13:13:41 <de67> tons of shit happened while i was away
13:13:53 <de67> the wiki's only active when im offline
13:14:32 <int-e> it's not a real-time medium
13:15:51 <fungot> ChimeraAnova: it doesn't matter
13:16:00 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Golf/Code]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196250&oldid=196245 * Blashyrkh * (+537) My [[Brainfuck]] [[Quine]] written in 2012
13:16:17 <de67> cuz its literally the same as no encryption
13:16:27 <de67> (just like me)
13:16:30 <int-e> I prefer triple-rot13
13:16:36 <ChimeraAnova> Wdym bro IRC (port 6667) uses ROT26 encryption so it must be good
13:16:44 <de67> int-e: but its the same as rot13!1!!1!1!
13:16:46 <int-e> it avoids a meet in the middle attack that applies to double-rot13
13:17:04 <int-e> de67: that is, indeed, the joke.
13:17:29 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Golf]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196251&oldid=196246 * Blashyrkh * (+40) Link to my [[Quine]] @ [[Brainfuck]]
13:17:33 <ChimeraAnova> "ROT13!1!!1!" cursed math notation, I think you meant "ROT(13! * 1!! * 1!)" which is ROT(wait)
13:17:40 <int-e> de67: But triple-DES is a real thing, and there is no double-DES exactly because of what I said :P
13:17:43 <ChimeraAnova> > 13 * 12 * 11 * 10 * 9 * 8 * 7 * 6 * 5 * 4 * 3 * 2 * 1
13:17:51 <ChimeraAnova> "ROT13!1!!1!" cursed math notation, I think you meant "ROT(13! * 1!! * 1!)" which is ROT(6227020800)
13:17:53 <esolangs> [[User:C0ffee/bf.sed]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=196252 * C0ffee * (+1487) Created page with "I learned sed so I made a [[brainfuck]] interpreter <br> , (input) is not impletemented <pre> # 8-bit brainfuck interpreter in sed # 13 cells (this can be changed) # Please do not input multiple lines of BF code y/[]/{}/ s/[^-+<>{},.]//g s/.*/00 00 00 00 00
13:18:27 <int-e> > 6227020800 `mod` 26
13:18:28 <de67> > 6227020800 % 26
13:19:02 <de67> rot6227020800 is as secure as rot26!!!
13:19:05 <int-e> de67: that works too; you can see from the denominator that it's an integer.
13:19:47 <ChimeraAnova> HTTP 1.1 and IRC use it so it must be good right?
13:19:51 <de67> its just rot26, but SLOWER!!!
13:19:54 <int-e> ChimeraAnova: the number is too long, you're bound to typo it eventually
13:19:55 <esolangs> [[User:C0ffee/bf.sed]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196253&oldid=196252 * C0ffee * (+0)
13:19:59 <int-e> much sooner than 26.
13:20:50 <ChimeraAnova> int-e: Yeah, and what sucks is that my IRC client doesn't allow me to copy-paste so I'd have to either whip out Notepad or type it manually which is quite annoying
13:21:31 <esolangs> [[User:C0ffee]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196254&oldid=195876 * C0ffee * (+41)
13:21:34 <ChimeraAnova> de67: In that case, just make an optimized DSL called ROT6227020800 which performs ROT6227020800 on its input
13:22:06 <esolangs> [[User:C0ffee]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196255&oldid=196254 * C0ffee * (-6) Sorry I'm new to Wikis
13:22:25 <ChimeraAnova> Or if you're an AI bro then train an LLM to perform ROT6227020800 (somehow, I haven't read the papers yet)
13:24:38 <de67> one good side of rot26 is that its widely available
13:24:53 <de67> all *nix systems have a rot26 encryptor/decryptor
13:24:53 <de67> its called cat
13:25:22 <de67> its also very easy to encrypt/decrypt for people
13:25:25 <de67> like, im gonna do it right now
13:25:26 <int-e> `` tr a-zA-Z a-zA-Z <<<'Hello, rot0 world!'
13:25:37 <de67> ciphertext: SIX SEVEN plaintext: SIX SEVEN
13:25:52 <ChimeraAnova> Because 6227020800 > 26 so it MUST be better, right? RIGHT??!#?!$?!$!@O$?!@$JRJKWQRIO
13:26:05 <int-e> Is Caesar rot23 or rot3?
13:26:06 <de67> ChimeraAnova: no, its just rot26, but slower, and rot26 is rot0, but slower
13:26:15 <de67> int-e: i think its rot1
13:26:19 <de67> speaking of rot
13:26:26 <de67> THE TRILIME IS ROTTING
13:27:11 <int-e> de67: No it definitely shifts by 3. D becomes A etc. The question is about which way the rotation goes, something that doesn't come up for rot13.
13:27:53 <de67> it seems like its rot23 then
13:27:54 <int-e> or maybe shift was always variable.
13:28:34 <de67> int-e: that would allow rot26 though
13:28:58 <int-e> Oh, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesar_cipher#History_and_usage ...A became D etc.
13:29:12 <de67> if a become d, then its rot3
13:32:33 <esolangs> [[.chat]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196256&oldid=189695 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+227)
13:33:53 <esolangs> [[User talk:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196257&oldid=194986 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+167) /* Hello! */ new section
13:34:30 <esolangs> [[.chat]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196258&oldid=196256 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+7) /* Computational class */
13:37:43 <fizzie> 3DES is still in practical terms unbroken, right? At least in some circumstances.
13:38:41 <de67> fizzie: im discombobulated, whats the context?
13:41:07 <int-e> fizzie: I think so, yes. It's rather slow in software though.
13:41:19 <de67> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
13:41:23 <de67> the encryption thing!
13:42:22 <int-e> fizzie: and the 64 bit block size can be problematic (for example it's fairly likely to see collisions which are problematic in CBC mode)
13:44:46 <fizzie> I have this vague memory of implementing MD5 in Z80 assembly, but I can't imagine why would I ever have needed to do such a thing.
13:47:09 <fizzie> (That one at least is properly broken now.)
13:47:30 <de67> how do you even break a hashing algorithm???
13:48:25 <int-e> well first you figure out what security properties these are supposed to have, like collision resistance
13:53:30 <fizzie> Yes, I guess it's more subtle than just a binary yes/no thing. Even for MD5, looking it up, while it's now practical to construct collisions (even collisions with two separately chosen prefixes), it's still preimage-resistant.
13:59:20 <esolangs> [[BFFuck/3.x plans]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196259&oldid=195977 * None1 * (+97) /* Features */
14:13:21 <esolangs> [[User:Cleverxia/golfing results]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196260&oldid=196224 * Cleverxia * (+31)
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14:45:41 <esolangs> [[Dequefest]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=196263 * Cordership * (+425) Created page with "Dequefest is a deque-based esolang by [[User:Cordership]]. =Syntax= {|class=wikitable ! Command !! Definition |- | pop as var || Pop the deque and assign a variable to it. |- | push || Push something: a string, an integer, a float, or a variable. |- | ej as var ||
14:48:11 <de67> cordership learnt about deques!
14:48:15 <de67> i fucking love deques!
14:48:18 <de67> deques are the best!
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14:59:50 <FireFly> int-e: huh, didn't know the shift by 3 was canonical...
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15:03:45 <esolangs> [[User:Cleverxia/golfing results]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196265&oldid=196260 * Cleverxia * (+39)
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15:25:13 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Golf]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196266&oldid=196251 * Blashyrkh * (+3) /* The code */ and/or
15:37:59 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Golf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196267&oldid=196266 * Blashyrkh * (+29) A little detail about FizzBuzz
15:52:22 <esolangs> [[Quaternions]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196268&oldid=196225 * Hotcrystal0 * (+25) Fixes
15:53:09 <esolangs> [[User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196269&oldid=195952 * Hotcrystal0 * (+79)
15:54:37 <de67> im almost done with my next esolang!
15:55:03 <de67> writing a wikipage for it is so much pain
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16:03:15 <de67> hi DOS_User_webchat
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16:03:47 <DOS_User_webchat> what is a 4 letter word but is a 3 letter word while it is a 2 letter word (hint: this isnt a question)
16:04:15 <de67> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh
16:04:32 <de67> what, but, and it are the words
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16:06:26 <de67> im devastated, modfisdnfdisnf left
16:07:10 <de67> mosdfisdnfdisnf
16:09:00 <int-e> but that is a word too
16:09:21 <de67> int-e: indeed, that is a 4-letter word
16:09:46 <int-e> we should stop doing languages, they are too confusing
16:10:11 <de67> i think im stating the obvious, but fungot will eventually result in human extinction
16:10:11 <fungot> de67: ignore him, some idiot fnord me is diffrent and theres an even more entertaining! it had actual dialogue!) or related through apes and monkeys at least!
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16:11:04 <de67> it somehow replied on-topic
16:11:17 <de67> i think ill write a whole article explaining my point in depth
16:16:12 <int-e> DOS_User_webchat: ugh, hmm, rawr, eek
16:16:36 <de67> int-e: someone needs to make an esolang about those
16:17:08 <int-e> there's Ook! which makes this seem rahter redundant
16:17:25 <de67> DOS_User_webchat: you disruped my spa- ummmm row of messages
16:20:50 <int-e> re: fungot causing human extinction: https://social.treehouse.systems/@Elizafox/117298698204969728
16:20:50 <fungot> int-e: okay i'm implementing a bit verbosely... but i'm getting there... but let's not think about.
16:21:39 <int-e> Oh maybe it invented a 0-letter word.
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16:28:59 <jinn6> 16:17 <DOS_User_webchat> (real song btw)
16:29:01 <jinn6> fun fact: the actual name is JUST "Eek!"
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16:40:54 <jinn6> I'm always here, lurking
16:41:48 <jinn6> call my name and I appear, example: 13:25 <de67> ciphertext: SIX SEVEN plaintext: SIX SEVEN
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16:59:05 <esolangs> [[43]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=196270 * Dragoneater67 * (+16330) this took so much time...
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17:02:23 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196271&oldid=195967 * Dragoneater67 * (+117)
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17:11:52 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Miui * moved [[17]] to [[17 (Miui)]]: moved joke dialect to disambiguate
17:12:24 <esolangs> [[17 (Miui)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196274&oldid=196272 * Miui * (+10) update redlink
17:21:49 <de67> skibidi stigma
17:28:09 <de67> i forgor to add the etymology section that explains that 43h == 67
17:28:28 <de67> but i hope the readers are smart enough to infer that themselves
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17:37:46 <esolangs> [[43]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196275&oldid=196270 * PkmnQ * (+97) fyi, I did not get the 67 thing until I read the logs
17:38:08 <esolangs> [[43]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196276&oldid=196275 * PkmnQ * (+1)
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17:49:16 <esolangs> [[43]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196277&oldid=196276 * Dragoneater67 * (+3) /* Operators */
17:49:36 <esolangs> [[43]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196278&oldid=196277 * Dragoneater67 * (-56) /* Strings and Characters */
17:49:50 <aadenboy> <ChimeraAnova> An individual with a nick I can't say also formats ". . ." in this way <- it's a flavor thing, I usually do ... instead
17:51:37 <esolangs> [[43]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196279&oldid=196278 * Dragoneater67 * (+1) /* Examples */
17:52:36 <esolangs> [[43]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196280&oldid=196279 * Dragoneater67 * (+98) /* Computational class */
17:55:16 <APic> Celebrate Bureflux! Heil Eris! Alles Heil Discordia! 😇
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18:49:35 <esolangs> [[Talk:Three Star Programmer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196281&oldid=196169 * Dragoneater67 * (+226)
19:12:11 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196282&oldid=196141 * Miui * (+10) /* miscellany */ update redlink
19:12:15 <esolangs> [[43]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196283&oldid=196280 * Dragoneater67 * (+122) /* Variables */
19:13:07 <esolangs> [[43]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196284&oldid=196283 * Dragoneater67 * (+36) /* Preprocessor */ i frogor abt numbers :3
19:16:33 <esolangs> [[43]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196285&oldid=196284 * Dragoneater67 * (+163) /* XKCD Random Number */ fix
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19:26:32 <esolangs> [[Wheddo]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196287&oldid=196286 * MarkFan8901 * (+0)
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19:35:02 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Golf/Code]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196288&oldid=196250 * Blashyrkh * (+111) /* Kolakoski sequence */ Shorter version (80 > 74)
19:36:24 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Golf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196289&oldid=196267 * Blashyrkh * (+20) Shorter [[Kolakoski sequence]] @ [[Brainfuck]] (80 > 74)
19:55:41 <aadenboy> I'm imagining an "all-you-can-eat" program form where a program is tasked with performing as many interactions as possible with the language
19:57:07 <aadenboy> e.g brainfuck would require increment, overflow, decrement, underflow, tape left (and/or wrapping), tape right (and/or wrapping), input of each possible value, output of each possible value, skipping a loop, entering a loop, repeating a loop, and exiting a loop
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20:24:15 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Craw * New user account
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20:27:54 <esolangs> [[User:Craw]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=196291 * Craw * (+104) Created page with "# Craw Hello! I am Craw (or "The Craw"), CEO of CRAW SYSTEMS, whose most famous product is Crawssembly."
20:28:18 <esolangs> [[User:Craw]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196292&oldid=196291 * Craw * (+19)
20:34:04 <esolangs> [[User:Craw]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196293&oldid=196292 * Craw * (+4)
20:36:06 <fungot> aadenboy: you need to do, or is it just that they aren't designed to mimic c structs.
20:36:19 <HackEso> .. \ . !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~
20:37:36 <esolangs> [[Crawssembly]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=196294 * Craw * (+14127) Created page with "{{Infobox proglang |name=Crawssembly |paradigms=Imperative, assembly |author=Jonah Crawford |year=2026 |memsys=Register, random-access memory |dimensions=one-dimensional |class=??? |refimpl=[https://github.com/UltimateCraw/Crawssembly Crawssembly] }} '''Crawssembly''
20:40:57 <esolangs> [[Crawssembly]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196295&oldid=196294 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+74) Categorization and the redlinks at the end
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21:02:04 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Golf/Code]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196303&oldid=196288 * Blashyrkh * (+4430) Copy [[-]] programs made by me to this page (it's not safe to keep them at talk page anyway). Add [[Looping counter]] example (37 bytes)
21:05:12 <aadenboy> shout out to the hangul space filler for not being a whitespace character
21:06:48 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Golf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196304&oldid=196289 * Blashyrkh * (+64) Add [[Looping counter]] @ [[-]] (37 bytes). Links to my [[-]] programs lead to my page with golfing code
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22:04:48 <esolangs> [[Vines]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=196313&oldid=195961 * AeroPurple * (+35) /* Interpreters */ Changed goals
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