03:04:58 -!- SamB has joined. 03:43:22 welcome! 04:10:43 are you going to spout something esoteric for me? 04:11:23 yes 04:34:39 when? 04:36:38 When you reach level OT III 04:36:46 :) 04:39:05 OT III? is that scientologist or something? 04:39:37 That depends. 04:39:58 on what? 04:40:11 On how much you're willing to pay. 04:40:31 hehehhe 04:44:28 # ## # ## ##### # 04:44:28 # ## # # ## # # ##### 04:44:28 # # # # # # # ## ## # ## 04:44:28 # ## # # ## # # # # ## ## ### # 04:44:28 # #### # #### # # # # ###### ## ## # 04:44:29 ## # # # ##### ## # 04:44:37 # # # # # # ### ## # 04:44:37 # # # ## # # # ####### 04:44:37 # # # # ## # # # ### ## # 04:44:37 ##### # ## # ## # # # # # 04:44:39 #### # # # ## # # # # # # ## # # 04:44:41 #### ############ ### ######## ## # # 04:44:43 ## # ## # # # ##### ## # #### # ###### # ## # ## 04:44:45 ## # ## ######## ## # # 04:44:47 # ## # ## ### # # # # ## # # 04:44:49 # ## # # # # # # # # ## 04:44:51 # # # # # # # # # # # ## # 04:44:53 # # # # ####### 04:44:55 ### # ## # ## # # # # ### ## # 04:44:57 ## # # ## # # # # # # ### ## # 04:44:59 # # # # # # # # # #### # ### ### ## # 04:45:01 # ## # # ## # ## ### # 04:45:03 ## #### # #### # # 04:45:25 is that life? 04:45:36 In what sense? 04:45:51 is that weird? 04:45:53 game-of-life 04:46:24 it sure looks funny 04:46:25 lament, in what sense? 04:46:31 SamB, no. 04:46:32 * SamB knows what lament means 04:47:29 * SamB wonders if dbc will stop asking "in what sense" soon 04:47:29 * dbc thought lament might mean "is that written in Wierd", but thought he would ask 04:48:12 no, it was a rhetorical question 04:49:06 * SamB wants an `esoterica' task in debian 04:49:24 If you can't figure this out, the aliens haven't a prayer of doing so :/ 04:50:12 oooooh, its part of the message to the aliens? 04:50:33 or is that the *whole thing*?!!! 04:51:08 we should send them rosetta disks instead 04:51:14 haha 04:51:31 better yet, the easter island statues 04:51:48 dbc: can you translate that? 04:51:59 we couldn't get those off the ground... 04:52:27 Sort of. at left we have binary numbers up to ten. 04:52:55 being written in binary, its practically illegible 04:53:07 Then a list of the atomic numbers of those elements involved in DNA... 04:54:11 then a little chunk of DNA, with sugar-phosphate backbone at top and bottom, and base pairs in the middle. 04:55:13 (not the structure, of course...just an inventory of atoms, counts in positions that match the list to the left.) 04:56:18 we should really send them some mostly analog info... 04:56:57 Then a rough image of the helical shape of DNA, combined with (I think) the length of a human's DNA...let me check. 04:57:31 Male or female, I wonder? 04:57:32 and then theres the little man... 04:58:18 undifferentiated due to miniscule size, I think 04:58:40 Right. A little man between the human population of the Earth, and the height of a human in radio wavelengths. 04:58:57 I mean is the count of DNA length for male or female. The female one is longer, right? 04:59:26 I feel really dumb. I don't even see the binary numbers. 04:59:40 X is much bigger then Y 05:00:03 Then we have a very crude depiction of the solar system, and a picture of the Arecibo dish with a number specifying its diameter. 05:00:08 the numbers are horizontal in this view? 05:00:14 (in radio wavelengths, again.) 05:00:44 how do we know where the numbers start and stop? 05:00:48 Yes. And are terminated with 1 digits. 05:00:53 ## = 1 05:00:58 # # = 2 05:01:09 ## # = 6 05:02:01 how would you know that ## # was 6 and not, for example, 1 followed by 0? 05:02:57 Well, they usually put one number per line. Though they may go to the next line if they run out of space... 05:04:22 It's not the clearest imaginable system... 05:04:28 its indecipherable, I tell you 05:04:43 unless you already know the data, of course 05:05:51 right. 05:05:57 Yes and no. I think it's decipherable by some people who've never seen it but have a good knowledge of biology. Not by people who don't. 05:06:00 "height in wavelengths"? What the fuck. 05:06:12 wavelengths of the radio wave used to send the message. 05:06:27 I suppose that's the measurement of length they thought would be clearest :/ 05:06:39 thats what I meant by "know the data" 05:08:07 Why is our height even important to aliens? 05:08:12 Clear enough. 05:08:23 lament it probably isn't :/ 05:10:11 or the length of our DNA - that's not even important to humans. 05:10:28 IIRC the length of the dna is absolutely meaningless 05:10:41 lament right. 05:11:30 brb. 05:11:32 -!- lament has quit ("Did you know that God's name is ERIS, and that He is a girl?"). 05:11:41 Besides, they just zapped this off once. You'd need steady transmission to have a hope of having it received. The thing was really just proof-of-concept... 06:34:19 not -absolutely-, but it is only weakly correlated with organism complexity 06:35:40 they would probably have more luck with TV signals! 06:36:00 tv signals are pretty straightforward 06:36:35 any alien life that can pick up em radiation in the same spectrum as us (not necessarily without mechanical aid) could probably decipher them pretty quickly 06:36:39 right back now == be back in a nour and a half or more? 06:37:06 yeah, much easier then binary nonsense like that, eh? 06:37:20 yea.. analog is too easy :) 06:47:33 -!- deltab_ has quit (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 06:49:00 -!- deltab_ has joined. 06:49:36 deltab_: what is meaning of "deltab"? 06:58:58 -!- lament has joined. 07:22:03 good question 07:25:08 -!- SamB has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 07:25:57 * lament reads the logs 07:25:58 haha. 07:26:05 11:35:04 esoteric programming languages 07:26:05 11:42:24 does that generally mean languages like brainf*ck or the likes of oz, ocaml, etc? 07:30:18 both, I'd say 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:38:05 -!- lament has quit ("Did you know that God's name is ERIS, and that He is a girl?"). 19:23:34 -!- Aardappel has joined. 22:09:59 -!- Taaus has quit (Connection timed out). 22:41:44 -!- Aardappel has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 23:01:41 -!- Taaus has joined.