< 1057035563 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-73-230.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1057036413 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1057036422 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-73-230.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1057046399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1057046400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1057055843 0 :dbc!ttm@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1057057912 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there should be a BF team for the next ICFP contest. < 1057057929 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1057058006 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't that be insulting < 1057058007 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's legal to submit a program that only theoretically works (As in the runtime is too great to actually find out) < 1057058011 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How so? < 1057058020 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf is not exactly functional. < 1057058038 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have to be. < 1057058180 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This programming contest is being conducted by ICFP, which implies a desire to promote functional languages. However, rather than debate the definition of a "functional programming language," we will allow submitted programs to be written in any language whatsoever. Mixing languages is entirely acceptable; perhaps you will write in O'Caml and Haskell, with a Tcl script to do the gluing. < 1057058192 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. < 1057058202 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's from this year's contest, anyway... It may have been different earlier. < 1057058211 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also says < 1057058225 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This year you will run your entry on your own computer" < 1057058229 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1057058232 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which probably means they want results :( < 1057058241 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep again. < 1057058258 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's a moot point, anyway... We're a couple of days too late ;) < 1057060432 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1057075842 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"You have no chance to survive make your time." < 1057085246 0 :lament!~lament@24.87.73.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1057098248 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1057104468 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-73-230.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1057131167 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1057132799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1057132800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1057151257 0 :andreou!~andreou@ppp7.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1057152591 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1057152984 0 :andreou!~andreou@195.130.100.151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1057152988 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :werd. < 1057154039 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"-mpe-" < 1057199870 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-73-230.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1057200175 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi clog < 1057217669 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1057219199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1057219200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1057245640 0 :andreou!~andreou@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1057245642 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :power < 1057245717 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taaus what is ICFP? < 1057245731 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh never mind. < 1057245745 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, FP is... Functional Programming, I think. :P < 1057245790 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IC is International Conference. Ah. < 1057245791 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1057245945 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog stop logging me. < 1057245953 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop god damn you, stop! < 1057245959 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrrgghhhhh < 1057245969 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i want to kill this bot. < 1057246033 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1057246046 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... I'm not stopping you :P < 1057246080 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o andreou < 1057246081 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ph33r < 1057246090 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o Taaus < 1057246092 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1057247519 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"math" < 1057254352 0 :andreou!~andreou@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1057254354 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :werd. < 1057256120 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"-" < 1057257940 0 :andreou!~andreou@ppp7.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1057257943 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :werd. < 1057260488 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"break the tv" < 1057279200 0 :andreou!~andreou@ppp7.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1057279214 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :werd. < 1057282022 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mpe < 1057282024 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"mpe" < 1057284229 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-73-230.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1057305599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1057305600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1057307193 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1057312400 0 :andreou!~andreou@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1057312401 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :power. < 1057312429 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fight the power! < 1057312445 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't fight the power. < 1057312462 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... You could try... :) < 1057312476 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could be assimilated in the end. < 1057312534 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well... At least I'll have had fun fighting the power. < 1057312564 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe, and the swat will have fun swatting your head ;p . < 1057312570 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, there is an alternative: < 1057312574 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :power... to the people! < 1057312586 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bang* *bang* revolutionary dead < 1057312598 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The people are too irresponsible to be allowed such power. < 1057312629 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people are irresponsible because they have not being assigned some responsibility (which comes with power). < 1057312641 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sense circular logic. < 1057312652 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sense lack of logick. < 1057312692 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logick this: do you prefer to have power-less people under the boot of a fascist government, with no power to express their own mind? (yeah i'm a stinkin' verbalist) < 1057312716 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly don't care either way. :) < 1057312720 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you prefer giving the people the power to prove that they really don't need the hierarchical structure supporting and supported by... < 1057312721 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whot? < 1057312728 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are a hippy? < 1057312741 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a musician. Is that close enough? < 1057312756 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really. < 1057312765 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... I have long hair. Does that count? < 1057312767 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(30 days, 10 minutes uptime... yey) < 1057312777 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :women have long hair too. some of them were on the gestapo. < 1057312788 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you shave? < 1057312791 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait... < 1057312797 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did I tell you I wasn't a woman? < 1057312803 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :baby... < 1057312806 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :errm i mean, are you? < 1057312816 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no... But it'd be fun if I were. < 1057312830 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only shave when I can't avoid it. I really hate shaving. < 1057312874 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do me a favour; tell me what the hell is the file in ftp://BitRot.ee.teiath.gr/pub/incoming/ < 1057312877 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's just one file) < 1057312923 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phoe-, uh, Mozilla Firebird claims /pub/incoming doesn't exist. < 1057312966 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp://BitRot.ee.teiath.gr/incoming/ < 1057312993 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, whatever it is, it won't let me have a look at it. < 1057312998 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1057313035 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm i'll have to fix the ftpd umask. try again. < 1057313217 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. Hmm... I have absolutely no clue as to what kind of file that is. < 1057313303 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1057313307 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird, you know. < 1057313321 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, where did you get it? < 1057313330 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was uploaded to me. < 1057313348 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the weird thing is that the anon ftp is open for 3-4 days know, unpublished. < 1057313356 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet somebody found it. < 1057313368 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh... It's probably military secrets, then... Which probably means I have five minutes before the pigs get here and sieze all my equipment ;) < 1057313385 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that the same thing had occured about last year when I also had ftpd open, somebody's scanning for writable ftpds. < 1057313396 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are not pigs, they are our friends and cater to our national security. < 1057313407 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(did they stop /SNOOPing?) < 1057313430 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough* e-c-h-e-l-o-n *cough* < 1057313457 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ECHELON?! < 1057313470 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH, no! Now you've said it! < 1057313483 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now they'll find this conversation. < 1057313498 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kill bush echelon love saddam you pigs die < 1057313529 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're going down. < 1057313556 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh in a few hours my first /var/log/monthly.out will be created. i am soooooo happy :) . < 1057313563 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no we are not. < 1057313570 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll set them up the bomb. < 1057313583 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe. < 1057313698 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to set the toilet up the bomb but someone is locking it. < 1057313721 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm -f /var/lock/toilet < 1057313723 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1057314300 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"-" < 1057325825 0 :dbc!ttm@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1057325897 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just saw the log. Have you still got the file from andreou's ftp? I'm curious now, and I can't download it myself for some reason. < 1057325956 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have it. Just a sec. < 1057326273 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /msg'd you the link. Did you get it? < 1057326279 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Yes. < 1057326305 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, good :) < 1057326366 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got the file. Thanks. < 1057326379 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're welcome. Now figure out what it is :P < 1057326392 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1057330001 0 :andre-u!~navigator@philippos.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1057330005 0 :andre-u!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :power. < 1057330007 0 :andre-u!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :andreou < 1057330018 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :power to the people, Taaus. < 1057330043 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People to the power. < 1057330083 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heeh power already has people. < 1057330091 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+oo andreou dbc < 1057330102 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll be happy to learn that one of our best esoterians is working on your mystical file ;) < 1057330257 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :make your time < 1057330505 0 :andre-u!~navigator@philippos.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1057330563 0 :andre-u!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1057330567 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1057330572 0 :andre-u!~navigator@philippos.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1057330580 0 :andre-u!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :andreou < 1057331093 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1057331656 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1057331659 0 :andre-u!~navigator@philippos.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1057331890 0 :andre-u!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1057331907 0 :andre-u!~navigator@philippos.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1057331911 0 :andre-u!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :andreou < 1057335606 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1057391999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1057392000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1057409938 0 :andreou!~andreou@ppp7.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1057409946 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1057412637 0 :dbc!ttm@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1057412646 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not my beautiful house! < 1057412653 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not my beautiful wife! < 1057412667 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1057412673 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course i am not your wife. < 1057414067 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"beat" < 1057418009 0 :andreou!~andreou@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1057418016 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :power. < 1057418343 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :aAn2 < 1057421097 0 :aAn2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1057421126 0 :aAn2!~andreou@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1057421139 0 :aAn2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1057427425 0 :andreou!~andreou@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1057427427 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :power. < 1057429336 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"-" < 1057435521 0 :andreou!~andreou@ppp5.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1057435524 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :powe. < 1057435526 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorta :) < 1057435747 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poweh! < 1057435765 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Powah to de ppl. < 1057445481 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"-" < 1057450633 0 :andreou!~andreou@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1057450638 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :death. < 1057450824 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To the people! < 1057450827 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait... < 1057451043 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotcha < 1057451196 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn! < 1057451209 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, damnation to the people! < 1057451214 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and then death) < 1057451244 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then tacos. < 1057451262 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no my stomach isn't realy nice.. the cannabis pizza got to me. < 1057451267 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe soup. < 1057451288 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being an evil overl0rd doesn't necessarily mean that you're immune to these little things. < 1057451323 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-- Evil Overlord < 1057451341 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How evil of you. < 1057452434 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1057452440 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"sleep" < 1057478399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1057478400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1057492883 0 :andreou!~andreou@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1057492888 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever to the people :) . < 1057492909 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1057500666 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1057500667 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1057500667 0 :leguin.freenode.net!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o Taaus < 1057501818 0 :Andreou!~andreou@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1057502199 0 :Andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"crap" < 1057508097 0 :Andreou!~andreou@ppp7.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1057508173 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok rules RPN! < 1057508247 0 :Andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RPN? then /j #nop3 :))))) < 1057508284 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1057511480 0 :Andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"airp0rt" < 1057523547 0 :andreou!~andreou@195.130.100.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1057523549 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :power. < 1057525419 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"airpor" < 1057542362 0 :andreou!navigator@212.205.141.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1057542375 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1057542412 0 :andreou!navigator@212.205.141.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1057552956 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1057556988 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-73-230.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1057562689 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1057562718 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-73-230.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1057563372 0 :Andreou!~koko@philippos.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1057564074 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1057564799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1057564800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1057568538 0 :Andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1057603859 0 :split`!~null@SP3-24.207.252.143.charter-stl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1057604125 0 :split`!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1057609293 0 :Aardappel!wvo96r@p508C5011.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1057613491 0 :Andreou!~andreou@ppp5.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1057613494 0 :Andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadly power. < 1057616862 0 :Andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"alcohol and death" < 1057635110 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-73-230.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1057649200 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote 'hello world' in zcode! < 1057649233 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/zmachine/mine > hexdump hand.z5 < 1057649233 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000000 0005 0000 4000 4000 6964 0000 0000 4000 < 1057649233 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000010 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 1400 0000 0000 < 1057649233 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000020 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 < 1057649233 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000030 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 4f57 544f < 1057649249 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000040 11b2 46aa 0334 5e94 1629 9c85 baa5 0a00 < 1057649500 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful! elegant! < 1057649508 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Full of quiet confidence! < 1057651199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1057651200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1057651597 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1057687396 0 :Aardappel!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1057692717 0 :knoppix!~knoppix@67.97.122.106 JOIN :#esoteric < 1057692728 0 :knoppix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello\ < 1057692836 0 :knoppix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1057709527 0 :Navigator!~andreou@ppp7.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1057709532 0 :Navigator!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :werd. < 1057709561 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Word up, y'all. < 1057710309 0 :Navigator!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Andreou < 1057710379 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Andreou in the hizouse. < 1057716703 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-73-230.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1057719606 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: You consider HQ9+ to be a programming language, then? < 1057719620 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taaus: Yes. < 1057719624 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. < 1057719632 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taaus: Also my programming language I sent to the esolang a year ago < 1057719646 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that converted every line of input from into "Hello, !" < 1057719665 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe nobody objected there :) < 1057719714 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about a language that has the implementation 'int main(void) { return 0; }'? A true NULL language. :) < 1057719794 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In C, naturally) < 1057719803 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe. < 1057719810 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that works too. < 1057719811 0 :Andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tur-in-complete. < 1057719823 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, it has no programs. < 1057719843 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rather like the language with just one instruction, "nop" < 1057719845 0 :Andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming language is defined as? < 1057719846 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's just dandy... That means pretty much everything is a programming language... < 1057719861 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's special because it doesn't need an implementation < 1057719862 0 :Andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament no, if the interpreter takes no input, there can be no programs, not even NOP programs. < 1057719865 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its programs run themselves < 1057719877 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Andreou: yes, i'm talking of a different language. < 1057719911 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Andreou: the best definition of 'programming language' i know of is 'a formal method for definition of a class of machines' < 1057719919 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've successfully made a definition that's useless. Have you considered working on a standards committee? < 1057719924 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where a machine is something that can change state, e.g. operate < 1057719932 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :taaus: it is not useless < 1057719941 0 :Andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahah < 1057719953 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1057719976 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taaus: well, perhaps it is, so give me a better one! < 1057719984 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teehee. < 1057719991 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm perfectly content with this one, though < 1057720119 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you really insist, I can say "non-empty class of machines" instead < 1057720248 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I still don't think it's a good definition... It certainly isn't intuitive... The problem is that HTML "programs" are constant, in a sense. They'll always produce the same output when run on a specific interpreter. < 1057720273 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that would be a good thing :) < 1057720289 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you looked at _code? < 1057720296 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, hell, postscript? < 1057720306 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1057720315 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you say they're not programming languages? < 1057720322 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're turing complete. < 1057720326 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't have input. < 1057720328 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing is... _All_ HTML programs are constant. That's not so for Postscript. < 1057720350 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's true for _code, which is turing complete < 1057720361 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not familiar with _code. Got a link? < 1057720362 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's true for Zot where input is a part of the program < 1057720377 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for Iota and Jot that don't have input < 1057720409 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, no link for _code < 1057720445 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but here's 99 bottles of beer in it < 1057720449 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1green bottle][2hanging on the wall.\n][3`#`$# 1$, 2''][4`Q`Z`q`z3(Q)(Z)3(Q < 1057720449 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :)(Z)And if one 1 should accidentally fall,\nThere\'d be 3(q)(z)\n''''][6`A`a < 1057720449 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`s`Q`B`b`z4(A)(s)(b)(z)Q(B)(b)(z)'''''''][+(s)(6)]6(Ten)(ten)+(Nine)(nine)+( < 1057720449 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eight)(eight)+(Seven)(seven)+(Six)(six)+(Five)(five)+(Four)(four)+(Three)(th < 1057720449 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ree)+(Two)(two)+(One)(one)()(`X`Y`Z''')()(no)(s) < 1057720486 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a language that was intended to replace geek code < 1057720495 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes... It's all coming back now. < 1057720689 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There must be some way to define the difference between _code and what you might call the "cat" programming language. (I.e. the language that just returns whatever input it's given) < 1057720730 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, _code is turing-complete. < 1057720764 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that seems to be irrelevant. < 1057720770 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you cut HTML does it not bleed? < 1057720781 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lets try. < 1057720859 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION briefly wonders if the inclusion of and tags makes a difference
< 1057721073 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remind me again why TC isn't a good measure of whether or not a language is a programming language or not. < 1057721108 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of the arbitrarily big memory requirement for turing-completeness. < 1057721122 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Languages don't have memory requirements... < 1057721127 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck does! < 1057721137 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then Brainfuck isn't a language. < 1057721150 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A programming language, that is. < 1057721155 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a glorified markup language, then. < 1057721174 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha. < 1057721196 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though it's capable of an arbitrarily large subset of turing-complete programs < 1057721214 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the brainfuck family) < 1057721223 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION smiles and nods
< 1057721242 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Serves it right! < 1057721264 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There're probably other languages that have memory requirements. < 1057721274 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assemblies. < 1057721315 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly. That doesn't change anything, though. < 1057721360 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, any definition of programming languages which excludes brainfuck is morally wrong. < 1057721397 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really... Brainfuck with limited memory can't execute all the programs a Turing Machine can. < 1057721409 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck _without_ limited memory is a programming language. No contest there. < 1057721473 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, we could call limited-memory languages "computers" :) < 1057721497 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe, sure. :) < 1057721530 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would confuse the hell out of everybody. < 1057721549 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay esoteric. < 1057721555 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... That's the whole point of existence, innit? < 1057721624 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And BEST! < 1057721633 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can even calculate prime numbers < 1057721636 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :This just in: HTML solves the halting problem! Millions rejoice! < 1057721639 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is not turing complete :( < 1057721658 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And malbolge! < 1057721663 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And hq9+!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1057721675 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This reminds me of Floop, Bloop and Gloop from GEB. < 1057721743 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't read that. < 1057721746 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I? < 1057721756 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd recommend it. < 1057721774 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1057721788 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He defines three different languages (with the aforementioned names) one of them isn't TC, but it is able to emulate anything one of the other TC languages can do. < 1057721839 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Bloop has only got constant for-loops, whereas Floop has while-loops. If you put in a large enough constant, then Bloop is nearly as powerful as Floop. < 1057721874 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GEB sounds like something i really have to read, which is why I don't. < 1057721882 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1057721919 0 :Andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Adios." < 1057722211 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should read it anyway. < 1057722226 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it wouldn't hurt ;) < 1057722282 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably know everything it says. Which is bad because I should've just read it instead of all that other stuff! < 1057722896 0 :dbc!ttm@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1057722975 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: see log! < 1057723019 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading it. < 1057723323 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, I like this /. comment about the complexity of computer jargon < 1057723332 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : You're absolutely right. Instead of saying "megahertz," we should say "three billion individual operations every second." Instead of "MP3 file," we should say "pirated Metallica songs." Instead of "Bluetooth," we should say "magic." < 1057723364 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to approach the definition problem another way, to make it match the common usage of the phrase "programming language" better. < 1057723387 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to start out by saying a programming language is a language you can use to tell a computer to do things... < 1057723445 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the part where I beat you with a stick. < 1057723456 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But do go on :) < 1057723529 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And add a few refinements. Specifically, I would say you can use it to tell a computer to do several different possible things; this rules out null languages and those that always do exactly the same thing. Your language that outputs "Hello, !" is right in the borderline. < 1057723604 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also, a strong connotation of "program" is that you can give the computer a reasonably long list of things to do, and after you finish giving it the list it will go ahead and do all of them, rather than you having to tell it things one at a time. < 1057723634 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any definition which involves "computer" is evil, though. < 1057723683 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, your definition is pretty much the same as mine. < 1057723707 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. I think the answer there is to broaden the definition of "computer", not to stop using it. < 1057723756 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is turing machine a computer? < 1057723781 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I wouldn't broaden it too far. Stack machines are fine, but a four-function calculator isn't. Again, I'm trying to match common usage, which doesn't speak of "programming" anything very different from a computer... < 1057723794 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Turing machine is a computer, yes. < 1057723826 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, a real Turing machine. < 1057723849 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you just reduced the problem to an equally complex related problem. < 1057723867 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorta like compiling Brainfuck to Ook. < 1057723870 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, defining "computer"? < 1057723888 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1057723914 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's to be expected. There isn't going to be a neat mathematical formulation that matches common usage. < 1057723967 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By common usage, lots of things count as "programming languages" that aren't Turing-complete even if you neglect the unlimitedspace requirement. < 1057723975 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But common usage is evil. < 1057723999 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In common usage, somebody says "HTML is a programming language, i learned it at school", and the response is "FUCK YOU!" *ban* < 1057724003 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If common usage is evil, then common words are evil. Rather than try to make a fresh definition of the phrase "programming language", just stop using it. < 1057724065 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is indeed a good policy, for lots of words, but I don't have enough aversion to "programming language" to stop using it myself. < 1057724082 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't either. But definitions are nice. < 1057724094 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, people actually _argue_ about things like this. < 1057724103 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(without looking for a definition) < 1057724122 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1057724157 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not often that people argue about programming languages. < 1057724163 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("good" is one word that I keep meaning to stop using for similar reasons, but it's a difficult habit to break.) < 1057724207 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But arguments about scripting languages, OO, etc < 1057724212 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are very common. < 1057724227 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: and "is"! < 1057724239 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Plus, is a program that bundles an interpreter with source code a "real" compiler. < 1057724246 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :&c. < 1057724655 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way to get precision, if we want it, is to stick with concepts derived from mathematics, and which have not been firmly co-opted for nontechnical uses. That's my view. < 1057725146 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"You have no chance to survive make your time." < 1057735503 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1057737599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1057737600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1057758554 0 :andreou!~andreou@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1057758560 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :total power. < 1057758592 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Total people. < 1057758651 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have come to the conclusion that you are a radical anarchist. Our satellites will track you down, our operatives will kill you and we will laugh as you make it into the statistics. < 1057758667 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More spam email, eh? < 1057758668 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(boo) < 1057758671 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehe < 1057758681 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't believe how much. i can't stand it. < 1057758701 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, don't get mad, get even. < 1057758703 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's more, it's real-time spam. i am logged in to the mail account and i receive spam. < 1057758706 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1057758719 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could i get even? < 1057758722 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, don't get mad, get odd. < 1057758732 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the spam? < 1057758752 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a friend that read spam. terrible things happened to him. < 1057758757 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor sod. < 1057758793 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid bastard were my words... read spam, who did he think he were, arnold blackanger? < 1057758820 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... Some people think they can handle it... < 1057758884 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait until the spam gene is found and the first bio-weapon engineered. *then* we will have some fun... >:-D < 1057758901 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shudder at the thought. < 1057758943 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i laugh uncontrollably at the thought. < 1057758951 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You MADMAN! < 1057759050 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not a madman, i am a visionary. < 1057759089 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that you said? Missionary? < 1057759124 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehehhehe < 1057759155 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm an ASS member -- Anti-Spam Sect. < 1057759237 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How nice. < 1057759486 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gone. < 1057759489 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"gone." < 1057790708 0 :Aardappel!wvo96r@p508C6844.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1057797540 0 :Aardappel!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1057797585 0 :andreou-_!~andreou@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1057797589 0 :andreou-_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :math power. < 1057797598 0 :andreou-_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1057797831 0 :andreou-_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"changing servers" < 1057797841 0 :andreou-_!~andreou@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1057797878 0 :andreou-_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1057804528 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-73-230.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1057817597 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1057817624 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/zmachine/mine > od -t x1 HELLO.z5 < 1057817624 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000000 05 5e 0a ff 00 40 00 12 64 69 00 00 00 00 00 40 < 1057817624 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000020 2a 2a b2 b5 c0 8c 00 22 00 00 00 10 0a 3e 35 35 < 1057817624 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000040 2b 22 64 6c 72 6f 77 20 69 68 22 3e 3a 23 2c 5f < 1057817624 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000060 40 0a 5e 3c 00 00 00 00 b2 72 97 45 25 9c a5 ba < 1057817627 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000100 < 1057817634 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a program that prints 'hi world', followed by a newline < 1057817639 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in both z-machine and befunge < 1057817682 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't be any smaller because the z-machine header is 64 bytes, and i have to have at least 64. < 1057817688 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't have any more :) < 1057817886 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lament.hypermart.net/HELLO.z5 < 1057823999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1057824000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1057826082 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1057837780 0 :Aardappel!wvo96r@p508C6844.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1057841876 0 :Aardappel!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1057874009 0 :andreou!~andreou@195.130.100.162 JOIN :#esoteric < 1057874068 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1057874175 0 :andreou!~andreou@195.130.100.162 JOIN :#esoteric < 1057876896 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Adios." < 1057890097 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-73-230.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1057894009 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://cyberspace.org/~lament/abuse.html < 1057894014 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay. < 1057896533 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :lame-AFK < 1057898900 0 :lame-AFK!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :lament < 1057910399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1057910400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1057913175 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1057941691 0 :andreou!~andreou@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1057941695 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1057970815 0 :andreou!~andreou@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1057970851 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :power and shit... < 1057970924 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1057977107 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-73-230.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1057980725 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi clog < 1057996799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1057996800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1057998464 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1058036381 0 :lament!~lament@24.87.73.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1058041592 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058041607 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1058041607 0 :leguin.freenode.net!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o Taaus < 1058042069 0 :Taaus_!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1058042125 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1058046251 0 :Taaus_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Taaus < 1058054459 0 :fizzie!fizban@bistromath.gehennom.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1058083199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1058083200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1058088179 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1058121668 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-73-230.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058124454 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Your homepage fall down go boom :/ < 1058124699 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! < 1058124733 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aargh. < 1058124775 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was on the page? < 1058124828 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the description of how my z-code program works. < 1058124840 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh. < 1058125006 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully cyberspace.org goes back up. < 1058125014 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully. < 1058125035 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a nice, evil place. < 1058125072 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? It wasn't when I looked at it... Of course, that was probably... A year ago, or so. < 1058125577 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1058125585 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more evil than nice. < 1058125673 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe. Neat :) < 1058125714 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, it's a big, active BBS < 1058125735 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A rare thing nowadays < 1058125745 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a unix shell at the same time! < 1058125751 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1058125783 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you played Scott Adams' adventure games? < 1058125859 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scott Adams? I don't think so, no... < 1058153411 0 :platovt!~plato985@pool-68-163-64-57.res.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058156860 0 :platovt!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1058169599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1058169600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1058175798 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1058183687 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058183701 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1058234565 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-73-230.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058248950 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1058249728 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-73-230.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058253589 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058253599 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1058253668 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058253677 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-73-230.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058253780 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058253780 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058253780 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058253790 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-73-230.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058253790 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1058253790 0 :fizzie!fizban@bistromath.gehennom.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1058255999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1058256000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1058259105 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1058304132 0 :Aardappel!wvo96r@p508C7BCA.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058322607 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-73-230.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058324188 0 :Etaoin!~david@cs2416077-217.houston.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1058341359 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1058342399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1058342400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1058370491 0 :asdsa!antilove@zolo.freelsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058370498 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1058370744 0 :asdsa!antilove@zolo.freelsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058370749 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1058370756 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read about the log < 1058370760 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of this channel < 1058370767 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already like it ! < 1058370769 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=-) < 1058370772 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe. < 1058371012 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the endless question is what is the official esoteric language ?! < 1058371025 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There isn't one. < 1058371039 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Brainf*** is a strong contender. < 1058371049 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what i read from http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/03.04.19 it's not that easy ! < 1058371188 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1058376468 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1058376471 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taaus < 1058376479 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you really code in brainfuck ? < 1058376480 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's me. < 1058376484 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1058376491 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not these days, anyway. < 1058376495 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=) < 1058376525 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know anyone really coding in brainfuck < 1058376541 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1058376547 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc, for instance. < 1058376547 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1058376564 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guy with the fractal ?! < 1058376576 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure. Probably. < 1058376585 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me find the logs =) < 1058376594 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe. < 1058376595 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/03.01.21 < 1058376598 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1058376636 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes. That's him. < 1058376685 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did it in brainfuck ?? < 1058376729 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1058376776 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be insane < 1058376781 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do it in bf =) < 1058376812 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the triangle fractal was made using a BF program. < 1058376850 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/03.05.20 < 1058376879 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ! < 1058376884 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw some source < 1058376900 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.sange.fi/brainfuck/bf-source/prog/triangle.bf < 1058376919 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. That's the one. < 1058390231 0 :Aardappel!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1058391593 0 :andreou!~kvik@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1058391608 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lotsa people < 1058391609 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :came here to congratulate me on my new lapdog? < 1058391677 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA < 1058391685 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament has to be institutionalized :) < 1058393240 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1058393240 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1058397670 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1058397670 0 :clog!nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1058397750 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1058397750 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1058399253 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058399303 0 :fizzie!fizban@bistromath.gehennom.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1058401375 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1058401433 0 :fizzie!fizban@3ffe:8114:2000:2e1:a00:20ff:fe74:ccdb JOIN :#esoteric < 1058401471 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, irc-stability is not very impressive tonight. < 1058402125 0 :platovt!~plato985@pool-138-88-179-99.res.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058403376 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1058403376 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1058411983 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-73-230.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058412800 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058412809 0 :fizzie!fizban@3ffe:8114:2000:2e1:a00:20ff:fe74:ccdb JOIN :#esoteric < 1058413454 0 :andreou!~kvik@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1058413475 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o andreou < 1058413481 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+ooo fizzie lament Taaus < 1058418105 0 :platovt!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client Exiting" < 1058418471 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay so many people < 1058418499 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of esoteric stuff, i wrote a language (called SADISM) which compiles to the Scott Adams adventure game platform. < 1058418581 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler is the ugliest piece of code i ever wrote. < 1058418624 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall never write compilers without clearly separating code into lexer/parser/compiler, i swear < 1058418634 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless i feel like it < 1058418654 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are enumerating the rules that you br0ke? :) < 1058418804 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1058418818 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language has significant whitespace and statements are terminated by a blank line. < 1058422428 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :andreou`sleep < 1058424519 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058425092 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-73-230.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058425092 0 :orwell.freenode.net!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o lament < 1058426029 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058426235 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-73-230.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058426235 0 :orwell.freenode.net!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o lament < 1058426243 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058426257 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-73-230.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058426257 0 :orwell.freenode.net!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o lament < 1058426494 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058426503 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-73-230.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058426503 0 :orwell.freenode.net!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o lament < 1058428799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1058428800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1058430299 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1058459186 0 :andreou`sleep!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :andreou < 1058460407 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning. < 1058460503 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good indeed, although it's 18:47. < 1058460514 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was good since i slept through it :) < 1058460529 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the telephone bill will come a *slight* bit 'upgraded', but what the heck... < 1058461141 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe. < 1058461151 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the price you have to pay for being esoteric ;) < 1058461187 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeap < 1058472711 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bye
< 1058472749 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Adios." < 1058484299 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1058484299 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1058484299 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1058484330 0 :fizzie!fizban@3ffe:8114:2000:2e1:a00:20ff:fe74:ccdb JOIN :#esoteric < 1058484359 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my name server seems to have died. < 1058484586 0 :Etaoin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1058486437 0 :andreou!~kvik@ppp7.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1058496379 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-73-230.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058497137 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi clog < 1058497274 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog: where do you keep prettified logs? < 1058497282 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog: help < 1058497286 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1058497341 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read 'petrified' :) < 1058497384 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :andreou: do you know where they're kept? :( < 1058497458 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[01:59:39] -ChanServ- [#esoteric] Welcome to the esoteric programming channel! Logs of previous discussion are avialable at http://www.tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1058497465 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1058497470 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those aren't prettified < 1058497479 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1058497484 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why you say that? ascii is pretty. < 1058497541 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ascii is a horrible waste of bits < 1058497602 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everybody should use puffman encoding < 1058497684 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[01:59:39] -ChanServ- [#esoteric] Welcome to the esoteric programming channel! Logs of previous discussion are avialable at http://www.tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1058497690 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1058497695 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly my point. < 1058497700 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ananova.com/entertainment/story/sm_800824.html < 1058497898 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, ADimitris. Nice to see you see me :-) . < 1058497955 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmmmmmm < 1058497992 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be some nice way to get logs of recent conversation < 1058498004 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like !last -10? < 1058498010 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1058498024 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that should NOT include massive quits/joins < 1058498025 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and !markstart Conversation theme < 1058498032 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and !markend Conversation theme < 1058498041 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the log directory is full of 1-KB files < 1058498041 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and !fetchmark conversation theme < 1058498050 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of those are genuinely empty < 1058498066 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1058498068 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some may hide treasures < 1058498090 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of various degrees of brain-damage < 1058498123 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's good to have *this* kind of treasury hidden. < 1058498138 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should /part /join a few times to hide them even better... < 1058498144 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1058498159 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's already hidden < 1058498163 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're in #esoteric < 1058498170 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not somewhere in #debian < 1058498238 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1058498274 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could set the channel +s, so nobody ever finds out about us!!! < 1058498276 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1058498313 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o andreou < 1058498340 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+s < 1058498343 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+l 42 < 1058498440 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, right now there's esoteric conversation going on in #scheme < 1058498456 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1058499299 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1058499301 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Her bottom was named the sexiest behind in Hollywood in a poll of more than 2,000 film fans earlier this year." < 1058499316 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How wery Bowdlerian. < 1058499338 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :schemers are fun :) < 1058499341 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1058499528 0 :hcf!~nef@d-216-195-156-185.gwi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058499543 0 :hcf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: read the top of http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/ < 1058499554 0 :hcf!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1058499629 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1058499659 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was nice :) < 1058499664 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello hcf :) < 1058499673 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~coreyr/ < 1058499920 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to write a nice, elegant programming language which compiles to the z-machine < 1058499935 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately that's impossible. < 1058499936 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn. < 1058505105 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Adios." < 1058506074 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1058507316 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-73-230.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058515199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1058515200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1058522574 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1058532715 0 :andreou!~kvik@philippos.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1058535628 0 :shoo!~kvik@philippos.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1058535638 0 :shoo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :andreou- < 1058535691 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1058535727 0 :andreou-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :andreou < 1058541951 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1058541954 0 :andreou!~kvik@philippos.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1058542456 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1058553573 0 :Aardappel!wvo96r@p508C73C7.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058563646 0 :Aardappel!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1058568584 0 :andreou!~kvik@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1058570897 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :and < 1058570904 0 :and!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :a2 < 1058572294 0 :a2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :andreou < 1058576732 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Adios." < 1058581732 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-73-230.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058592751 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058592758 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1058592875 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058592885 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1058593962 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 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:clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1058718790 0 :Aardappel!wvo96r@p508C633F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058729189 0 :Aardappel!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058729190 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058729234 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1058729246 0 :Aardappel!wvo96r@p508C633F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058729604 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058729605 0 :Aardappel!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058729613 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1058729643 0 :Aardappel!wvo96r@p508C633F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058730902 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-73-230.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058735296 0 :[cypher]!~cypher@isdn38.cj.pcnet.ro JOIN :#esoteric < 1058735604 0 :[cypher]!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1058769348 0 :dbc!ttm@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1058771880 0 :Aardappel!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058771881 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058771886 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058771889 0 :dbc!ttm@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1058771889 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1058771889 0 :Aardappel!wvo96r@p508C633F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058773255 0 :Aardappel!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058773256 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058773256 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058773298 0 :dbc!ttm@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1058773298 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1058773298 0 :Aardappel!wvo96r@p508C633F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058774399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1058774400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1058775746 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058775752 0 :Aardappel!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058775754 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058775774 0 :dbc!ttm@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1058775774 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1058775774 0 :Aardappel!wvo96r@p508C633F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058776109 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058776138 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1058776165 0 :Aardappel!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058776175 0 :Aardappel!wvo96r@p508C633F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058776202 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058776213 0 :dbc!ttm@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1058776341 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058776341 0 :Aardappel!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058776342 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058776465 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1058776536 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1058776536 0 :Aardappel!wvo96r@p508C633F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058776548 0 :dbc!ttm@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1058776559 0 :Aardappel!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058776560 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058776687 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058776726 0 :Aardappel!wvo96r@p508C633F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058776726 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1058776822 0 :dbc!ttm@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1058784427 0 :andreou!~kvik@philippos.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1058784703 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1058784902 0 :andreou!~kvik@philippos.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1058785897 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"You have no chance to survive make your time." < 1058787489 0 :Aardappel!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1058795496 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"werk" < 1058806798 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058806819 0 :asdsa!antilove@zolo.freelsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058806920 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058806933 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058806941 0 :asdsa!antilove@zolo.freelsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058806941 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1058845615 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-73-230.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058855901 0 :dbc!ttm@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1058860799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1058860800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1058863249 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"You have no chance to survive make your time." < 1058864691 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1058869319 0 :andreou!~kvik@195.130.100.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1058870338 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1058921435 0 :andreou!~kvik@ppp7.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1058930486 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-73-230.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058932348 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1058934970 0 :dbc!ttm@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1058944850 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058945103 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058945103 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1058947032 0 :dbc!ttm@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1058947073 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1058947104 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-73-230.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1058947199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1058947200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1058947338 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1058953443 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1058956871 0 :dbc1!ttm@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1058956887 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1058970753 0 :dbc1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1059021973 0 :lament!~lament@24.87.73.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1059022553 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :lameAFK < 1059023551 0 :lameAFK!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :lament < 1059029980 0 :andreou!~kvik@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1059033275 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1059033599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1059033600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1059048026 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"scheel" < 1059063757 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1059083551 0 :Aardappel!wvo96r@p508C75C6.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1059083851 0 :andreou!~kvik@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1059088428 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Power to the people! Except for the ones responsible for Terminator 3.. God that movie sucked. < 1059088517 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you saw it? < 1059088536 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Just got back, pretty much. < 1059088545 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wb) < 1059088550 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thanks ;) < 1059088561 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(heh) < 1059088577 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You're not going all lispy on me, are you?) < 1059088613 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(schemey,but still the answer is no) < 1059088631 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, Scheme is part of the lisp family ;) < 1059088657 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to port TinyScheme to my GP32. It's fun. :D < 1059088659 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the black sheep :) ) < 1059088666 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gp32? < 1059088678 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GamePark 32. A Korean handheld gaming thingy. < 1059088685 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1059088696 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :320x240 screen, ARM9 CPU. Uses SmartMedia cards. < 1059088750 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arm9? that's sweet. < 1059088767 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i' thinking of writing a forth-like vm for my c55 when i finally get it. < 1059088776 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very. It can be "overclocked" to 133MHz through software alone :) < 1059088790 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forth. Cool. < 1059096101 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o andreou < 1059096124 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+b *!*@bespin.org < 1059096131 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1059103236 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1059103236 0 :clog!nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1059103242 0 :hcf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now try it < 1059103245 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[03:21:18] * andreou sets mode: +b *!*@bespin.org < 1059103248 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1059103253 0 :hcf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION crosses his digits
< 1059103254 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1059103258 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1059103258 0 :clog!nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1059103265 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1059103265 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1059103276 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+b *!*@bespin.org < 1059103282 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1059103439 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1059103439 0 :clog!nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1059103450 0 :hcf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now try it < 1059103504 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+b clog!*@* < 1059103508 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1059103523 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1059103523 0 :clog!nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1059103536 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1059103600 0 :hcf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, all set now < 1059103616 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeap, thanks. < 1059103621 0 :hcf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :np < 1059103630 0 :hcf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1059103632 0 :hcf!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1059106611 0 :lament!~lament@24.87.73.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1059109230 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1059109815 0 :lament!~lament@24.87.73.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1059113289 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1059113993 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Adios." < 1059115583 0 :lament!~lament@24.87.73.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1059118815 0 :andreou`work!~andreou@ppp4-79.ath.forthnet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1059119999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1059120000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1059120037 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL, I GUESS THIS DOESN?T REA < 1059120037 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLY QUALIFY AS ESOTERIC, BUT A < 1059120037 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NYWAY. < 1059120037 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : IT?S A ?-BIT ENCODING. < 1059120037 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNLIKE BAUDOT AND SIMILAR ENCO < 1059120039 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DINGS, IT ACTUALLY USES ?-BITS < 1059120041 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1059120044 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE COMPLETE CHARACTER SET INC < 1059120047 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LUDES THE ALPHABET ?UPPERCASE < 1059120049 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONLY?, THE COMMA, THE PERIOD, < 1059120051 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE DASH, THE EXCLAMATION MARK < 1059120054 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, THE QUESTION MARK AND THE SP < 1059120057 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACE. < 1059120059 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE QUESTION MARK IS ALSO USED < 1059120062 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : INSTEAD OF CHARACTERS WHICH C < 1059120064 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OULDN?T BE OTHERWISE CONVERTED < 1059120067 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1059120069 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : SURE, IT?S SILLY, BUT IT?S CU < 1059120072 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TE! HEH. < 1059120120 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WILL TRY A ?-BIT ENCODING NE < 1059120124 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XT. < 1059120461 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1059120467 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wish sirc had scrollback ;p < 1059120528 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1059120541 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 4-bit encoding would have the following alphabet: < 1059120548 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"etaoihnsrdluwgc " < 1059120603 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, in alphabetical order, "acdeghilnorstuw " < 1059120638 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the w can be replaced with ? to indicate missing characters < 1059120766 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is ?hat a ?our??it encoding loo?s li?e? < 1059120805 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it?s actuall? so?e?hat reada?le? heh? ?ourteen letters are enough ?or ?ost ?ur?oses?? < 1059120826 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheh < 1059120841 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a neat side e??ect? the ?essage loo?s li?e ?loor engra?ings ?ro? nethac? ??? < 1059120905 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course, instant 2x compression < 1059120909 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two chars in one byte! < 1059120963 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I GUESS IT LOO?S ?ETTER IN ALL U??ERCASE? < 1059121018 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1059121024 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some people use silliness like Unicode. < 1059121033 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's appaling. < 1059121085 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like using C# instead of Brainfuck. < 1059121114 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, please don't take it personally... < 1059121127 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1059121130 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you taking drugs? the kind of drugs that make one see colors :) < 1059121133 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shapes < 1059121145 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, if you are everything can be explained :) < 1059121149 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that abuse.html < 1059121151 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought you were suggesting I shouldn't take people using Unicode personally. < 1059121165 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, see? :) < 1059121182 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode is ok as long as i don't have to use it. < 1059121203 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer my four-bit encoding. < 1059121218 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, i've been two days away and about 60 files have changed in the CVS... < 1059121248 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :touch * < 1059121260 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cvs commit -m "Major changes throughout the project..." < 1059121263 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not convenient with this alteration. i will log into the cvsroot server and change them back. < 1059121267 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eheh < 1059121282 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah but most coders have the bad habbit of aliasing 'commit' to 'cvs commit -m "fix"' < 1059121285 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nasty bastards < 1059121294 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not coders < 1059121305 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1059121306 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are programmatic source file production simpletons < 1059121319 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, what is the point of just adding fix < 1059121320 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! They can be easily replaced by Befunge programs. < 1059121335 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :au contraire, my commit message are better < 1059121366 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is a random example: < 1059121368 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not death < 1059121368 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which can eternal lie < 1059121368 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And with strange aeons < 1059121368 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even death may die. < 1059121368 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear friends, stop this 'fix' and 'empty commit message' madness! < 1059121369 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The quote is from H. P. Lovecraft; that guy was nearly as destructed < 1059121371 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as Bunuel and Dali.) < 1059121373 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have phun. I think the code is much more readable now, but it is entirely < 1059121375 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible that I missed a closing bracket here or there 8^) . < 1059121385 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and guess what... i had in fact missed a closing bracket somewhere :) . < 1059121437 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1059121445 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a big message. < 1059121450 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there have been better commit messages) < 1059121466 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am thinking of educating these poor foul souls. i'll commit with poetic messages < 1059121479 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what project are you working on? < 1059121527 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From revisioin 1.1 until revision 1.686 inclusive the commit message is 'fix'. GOD DAMN. < 1059121543 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are orking at a PHP/MySQL Hotel program < 1059121602 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the company is a start-up, so everyone does everything they know. they only know how to code, but i also administer the servers. < 1059121614 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a fun escape when you've tired of reading malformed source code. < 1059121746 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CS degrees at teiath are given out way too easily < 1059121764 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh that coffee was strong; i'm being vitriolic :) < 1059121807 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay coffee < 1059121820 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interesting how different drugs make you "more awake" in different ways < 1059121839 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately i haven't had the chance to experiment ;p < 1059121856 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't either, except for coffee, chocolate and weed < 1059121910 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coffee stimulates me, but I wouldn't say it makes me more awake. usually when I am tired and drink coffee I just loose the ability to sleep, not the sleepiness :) < 1059122021 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder why bynari.net compressed the installer of the insightconnector when the compression rate is just 3% < 1059122046 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for security reasons!! < 1059122132 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/security/obscure/ < 1059122587 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, speaking of weed < 1059122588 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wikipedia.org/upload/0/0e/Marahuana_warning.png < 1059122614 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee < 1059122654 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Murder! Insanity! Death! < 1059122675 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That poster was used in the thirties. < 1059122835 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first cow-orker came < 1059122892 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta get to werk a little bit :) < 1059122893 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see you later < 1059122902 0 :andreou`work!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"werk werk werk, all werk and no play..." < 1059122945 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go to sleep. Bye all. < 1059122950 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1059122955 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting a bit paranoid. < 1059122961 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talking to people who're not really here. < 1059122978 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, bye all you silly log readers. < 1059122981 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1059153745 0 :andreou!~kvik@ppp7.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1059154071 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello people, hello power, hello bot, hello world, hello universe. Die, cleaning lady. < 1059156680 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"-" < 1059157835 0 :lament!~lament@24.87.73.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1059157866 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1059157885 0 :lament!~lament@24.87.73.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1059157928 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1059169450 0 :Aardappel!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1059186282 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-73-230.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1059189825 0 :andreou!~kvik@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1059190028 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Power to the peephole! < 1059190043 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, http://www.sysadminday.com < 1059190053 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :power to the sysadmin, to hell with the people. < 1059190082 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1059190087 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brilliant. < 1059190087 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sysadmins are JERKS < 1059190093 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HATE HATE SYSADMINS < 1059190116 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HATE HATE SYSAD@$%!$%!#$!@#$@#NO CARRIER < 1059190117 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1059190123 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1059190226 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes back to mutilating TinyScheme
< 1059190279 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tinyscheme! < 1059190289 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1059190357 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiny. scheme. < 1059190368 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Redundantly tiny scheme! < 1059190387 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tinyscheme? isn't this that greek whacko's implementation? < 1059190406 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Greek whacko'? Isn't that a bit... Pleonasmic? < 1059190477 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But to answer your question, 'yes'. < 1059190479 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, there are two types of greeks < 1059190485 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1059190498 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kafroi (plural of kafros, pronounced kAh-free) < 1059190511 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the mourloi (mOO-rleeh) < 1059190519 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a mourlos kafros :) < 1059190523 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about the hoi polloi? :) < 1059190546 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi polloi (the many) are of no interest discussing. just simpletons. < 1059190556 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe :) < 1059190584 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is an increasing number of simpletons turning kafroi, tho < 1059190602 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION smiles and nods, smiles and nods
< 1059190642 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1059190646 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know about greeks, taaus? < 1059190651 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not at all. < 1059190658 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence my fervent smiling and nodding. < 1059190665 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh ok :)) < 1059190699 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't expect other people to know about Danes, either ;) < 1059190730 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :danes are not as interesting as greeks (profound display of lack of knowledge about danes) < 1059190759 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teehee. You're probably right ;) < 1059191125 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sysadminday.safeweb.be/Photos1/pMark_Sewage_P6060002.JPG < 1059191146 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh boy. < 1059191183 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'xactly. < 1059191221 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sysadminday.safeweb.be/Photos1/pMaxim_Fire_Rack.jpg < 1059191235 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway have a look at allof them at /Photo1.htm < 1059191245 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those switches really _do_ get hot, you know... ;P < 1059191264 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1059191307 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm hoping one day i'll turn a rack full of cisco hardware into a rack full of cisco meltware. < 1059191374 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A worthwhile goal, to be sure. < 1059192277 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going on vacation in a week and need a good book suggestion. not technical. < 1059192294 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... How about some PKD novels? :) < 1059192312 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something by Hofstadter. < 1059192404 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe pkd < 1059192418 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one b hofstadter? i've (read) GEB:EGB and Fluid Concepts < 1059192432 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FCACA is not a vacation/relaxation book. < 1059192460 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Metamagical Themas is good. So is The Mind's I. < 1059192473 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The latter is co-edited with Daniel C. Dennett) < 1059192490 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i remember... < 1059192498 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any suggestioins for pkd? never read any < 1059192543 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1059192551 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm struggling through GEB < 1059192558 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't force myself to read it < 1059192571 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Not sure, really. I thoroughly enjoyed his short stories. There are five books with PKD short stories. < 1059192578 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Heathen! < 1059192846 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :andreou: There's also a single book containing 3 of his early novels. 'The Man Who Japed', 'Dr. Futurity' and 'Vulcan's Hammer'. Especially Dr. Futurity was enjoyable. < 1059192889 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :andreou: Just get the cyberiad. < 1059192894 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taaus: Yes. < 1059192906 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1059192912 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1059192912 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like Lem. I still need to read some of his stuff :/ < 1059192917 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll see how fast i can order. < 1059192955 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyberiad is the second best book on anything for the layman. < 1059192985 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmkay. < 1059192986 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it about? < 1059193036 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bunch of fairy tales. < 1059193294 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to bed. Good night, all. < 1059193335 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beh < 1059193405 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I liken starting one's computing career with Unix, say as an undergraduate, to being born in East Africa. It is intolerably hot, your body is covered with lice and flies, you are malnourished and you suffer from numerous curable diseases. But, as far as young East Africans can tell, this is simply the natural condition and they live within it. By the time they find out differently, it is too late. They already think that the writing of shell scripts is < 1059193406 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ken Pier, Xerox PARC < 1059193426 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh... Looking at the Unix Hater's Handbook? < 1059193434 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeaah < 1059193455 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a friend of mine < 1059193461 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :novice at the unixen < 1059193473 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who only recently started learning and working with unix < 1059193489 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately he is now solaris installation engineer at the 2004 olympics athens data center ;p < 1059193502 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's learning perl and he's happy he watches his knowledge well change < 1059193532 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if i direct him to the UHH he'll start shouting at me ``what kind of the worst lamer has written that piece of trinary shit'' < 1059193552 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ten years, he'll be cursing solaris, in twenty years he'll be writing the second editioin of UHH < 1059193561 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't exquisite what unix can do to a man? < 1059193566 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite. < 1059194127 0 :dbc!ttm@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1059194137 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh ey daniel < 1059194140 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello. < 1059194146 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cruel world) < 1059194213 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taaus you got any pdf versions of uhh? < 1059194236 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://research.microsoft.com/~daniel/uhh-download.html < 1059194284 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no, it's not a Microsoft conspiracy. :) < 1059194301 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what they _claim_. < 1059194314 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't been working any more on that mystery file; instead I've been shortening dbfi.b because this guy wants to write an article on it. < 1059194383 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1059194477 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh.pdf? < 1059194528 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1059194654 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unix-Gator's Handbook? < 1059194685 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1059194689 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-- navigator < 1059194784 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1059199268 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"andreou" < 1059203370 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, today's log is big. < 1059203379 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All they yesterday's stuff is on there :) < 1059206399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1059206400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1059210587 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1059210736 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One of the benefits of leaving regulation of this matter to the people rather than to the courts is that the people, unlike judges, need not carry things to their logical conclusion." < 1059221664 0 :andreou!~kvik@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1059222035 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1059222043 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone has halflife/counterstrike serial or keygen? < 1059222046 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pleeeaaazeeee ;p < 1059222133 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1059227950 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"You have no chance to survive make your time." < 1059231716 0 :andreou!~kvik@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1059231729 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Power to the poplar! < 1059231752 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Power to my argiles < 1059231758 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Power and fire. < 1059232802 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1059249810 0 :lament!~lament@24.87.73.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1059255229 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Power and the grovy! < 1059255840 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1059255918 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1059255918 0 :niven.freenode.net!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o Taaus < 1059257706 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1059261767 0 :lament!~lament@24.87.73.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1059271756 0 :andreou!~kvik@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1059271796 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gravy made out of people! < 1059271820 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we are starting to get a people-power-complex obsession-kind-of-thingie < 1059271834 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a bad thing? < 1059271860 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are psychopathic products of the system; it is what we are supposed to be(come of). < 1059271872 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods solemnly
< 1059274169 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1059280781 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1059292799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1059292800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1059301332 0 :dbc!ttm@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1059305199 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"You have no chance to survive make your time." < 1059325620 0 :Aardappel!wvo96r@p508C7D69.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1059342745 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Remote closed the connection" < 1059342829 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1059343116 0 :Aardappel!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1059356529 0 :andreou!~kvik@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1059356810 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Electronic Popple. < 1059356904 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tekke people. < 1059356935 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very much so. How are you tonight, andreou? :) < 1059356953 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good. just woke up after N hours of dreamful sleep. < 1059356978 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah... I bet you wish it was N+1, eh? < 1059357069 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at this point, N+2,5 actually. < 1059357081 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1059357093 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, what better time to read up on tempest than now that the agents are sleeping? < 1059357123 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The agents never sleep. < 1059357148 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The agents *think* that they never sleep. < 1059357203 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahem... you're UTC+... how much? 1? < 1059357204 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... Maybe they do sleep, but if they do it in shifts, it doesn't make any difference to us. < 1059357222 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CET. GMT+1. :) < 1059357369 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to tune my baglamas < 1059357391 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh: http://molasar.blackmagic.com/french/ < 1059357395 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmkay. < 1059357422 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah so chivas regal is actually french? god... < 1059357450 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jerry Springer (talk show) < 1059357451 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ehm. < 1059357568 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mp3.com :) < 1059357584 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, sofitel is the hotel at Athens International Airport < 1059357841 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wanders off to munch on some French Emmenthaler cheese.
< 1059357879 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not French Emmenthaler, it's Freedom Emmenthaler. < 1059357898 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha! < 1059357943 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1059358509 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(prepare for paste of a short bio of a fun guy) < 1059358515 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ready or not here it comes) < 1059358518 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For my personal history, over the years I've competed in and taught nightclub type dancing, surfed professionally and owned a surfboard company, competed in and coached both wrestling and tennis, become a real rocket scientist and a computer nerd, gotten five college degrees, acquired a teaching credential, hob-nobbed with many famous people, written several books (most are technical but one is on surfing and one is on Sombo - a form of martial arts), be < 1059358612 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It got cut off after 'martial arts' < 1059358628 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :), been listed in Who's Who in both Industry and Science, ran for public office, served in office in various large organizations, been in two movies, and never made any big money. < 1059358637 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, thought i heard a 'beep'-like sound. < 1059358651 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol... Never made any big money. < 1059358661 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the whole point :) < 1059358681 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, he doesn't say if he made a real lot of small money :) . < 1059358696 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, true. "I have a small fortune in pennies" < 1059360813 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really hate waiting for the queue to empty. Doesn't the stinkin' fserv understand that *my* dcc request is more important? < 1059360864 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell it to the owner. And use lots of foul langauge. I'm sure he'll understand. < 1059361268 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh that fserv bot was borken... < 1059362522 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What were you trying to obtain? < 1059362541 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it from another bo < 1059362542 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bot < 1059362546 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the art of information warfare < 1059362563 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds... Like a handbook for spammers :) < 1059362591 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not the art of toxic binary waste handling. < 1059362601 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay. < 1059370291 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's worth every second i spent downloading it. < 1059377262 0 :dbc!ttm@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1059379199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1059379200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1059383052 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1059384504 0 :dbc1!ttm@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1059384505 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1059388530 0 :andreou!~kvik@ppp7.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1059389183 0 :dbc1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"You have no chance to survive make your time." < 1059390663 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1059390683 0 :Navigat-r!~kvik@ppp5.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1059394702 0 :Navigat-r!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1059397521 0 :andreou!~kvik@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1059399194 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1059422606 0 :andreou!~kvik@ppp7.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1059427861 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1059457442 0 :andreou!~kvik@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1059459275 0 :dbc!ttm@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1059459392 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+oo andreou dbc < 1059459392 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o Taaus < 1059461624 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1059461636 0 :andreou!~kvik@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1059463188 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1059465599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1059465600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1059470621 0 :andreou!~kvik@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1059477714 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION c u
< 1059477741 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1059478995 0 :andreou!~kvik@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1059480710 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1059481354 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"You have no chance to survive make your time." < 1059485402 0 :andreou!~kvik@ppp7.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1059485583 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moo. < 1059485592 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mu. < 1059485605 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That too. < 1059485631 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell, that one rhymed as well! < 1059485723 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe. < 1059489620 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1059502248 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1059502630 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heya lament. < 1059502686 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1059502695 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's everybody again < 1059502708 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. Eating peanuts, probably. < 1059502710 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is hopeless! We should just merge with #scheme < 1059502719 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're talking more about esoteric stuff than we do :( < 1059502729 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah. < 1059502747 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :andreou and I do our best. ;) < 1059502754 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads the logs
< 1059502781 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... Any thoughts on Loell? < 1059503421 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um < 1059503435 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I understand correctly that there can only be one prototype? < 1059503484 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno... Why? < 1059503497 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems a very stupid limitation < 1059503502 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless i'm missing something obvious < 1059503568 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been a while since I looked at it last, but I imagine you could change it (in Loell code) to support more than one prototype. < 1059503615 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1059503645 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :expr < exprs > < 1059503649 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Creates a new object, using expr as prototype (stored in the proto property). The current scope is stored in the scope property. If expr is ommited, Any is used. exprs is evaluated in the current scope, but with current set the newly created object. < 1059503665 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So apparently the 'proto' and 'scope' properties are hard-wired < 1059503726 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No argument there. < 1059503810 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... If it had something akin to doesNotUnderstand:, then it might be possible. < 1059503987 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole idea of first-class scopes is wonderful, though. < 1059503995 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1059503995 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slate has that. < 1059504004 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you looked at slate? < 1059504010 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess python has it too < 1059504018 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only briefly. < 1059504019 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not really! < 1059504028 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :water talks about it a lot in #squeak ;) < 1059504046 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's neat. < 1059504071 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I've heard :) < 1059504093 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can send messages to the "context object" < 1059504101 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ^ is such a message < 1059504140 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as are local variables... but i might be wrong < 1059504175 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot of talk on the "Pragmatic Programmers" mailing list these days... A bunch of people are going to try to develop a "pragmatic" language (called Pragmatic. Duh) < 1059504200 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? < 1059504204 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it'll turn into a big ball of mud... If anything at all. < 1059504207 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought C was pragmatic < 1059504213 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or fortran or something < 1059504237 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh... Well... That's the problem... People have different views of what 'pragmatic' entails ;) < 1059504345 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one moment < 1059504346 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1059506623 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1059506632 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1059506632 0 :niven.freenode.net!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o Taaus < 1059516859 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1059516873 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so it wasn't a moment < 1059517134 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1059517151 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any hierarchitectitiptitoploftical languages? < 1059517202 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1059517212 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It really depends on what the heck you're talking about :) < 1059517234 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. It's from finnegans wake. < 1059517252 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... No longer using #python on Efnet? :) < 1059517264 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1059517300 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait... pyn is gone? < 1059517328 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, Satan, why!?! Why did you take one of your own?!? < 1059517440 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He ran away with exarkun. < 1059517445 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're having a vacation together. < 1059517464 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right... I knew that. I was there when he asked if someone else could host pyn. ' < 1059517467 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D'oh. < 1059517475 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you offered to host it ;) < 1059517476 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody else couldn't :( < 1059517484 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't! < 1059517501 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? Well, exarkun _wanted_ you to host it, ne? < 1059517502 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only I'm using my parents' computer < 1059517512 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you couldn't... Etc. etc. < 1059517520 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're also moving and i don't even have internet at home < 1059517525 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1059517530 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which so far seems to be a good thing! < 1059517535 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a nasty situation, I imagine. < 1059517541 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1059517565 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? I guess some people like moving... *shrug* < 1059517567 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I have internet, I waste all my time chatting with idiots on IRC < 1059517569 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1059517571 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean... < 1059517628 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We (my family) moved about seven times in the last ten years < 1059517640 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe fifteen years < 1059517653 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1059517668 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now we finally _bought_ a house < 1059517716 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've moved... Twice. In my entire lifetime. < 1059517764 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see. < 1059517767 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore,! < 1059517788 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand loell < 1059517795 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does this do? < 1059517798 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foo bar = 42 < 1059517809 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1059517823 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foo.bar = 42 < 1059517847 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sets bar to 42 in the expression Foo? < 1059517879 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is no expression foo! < 1059517898 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your point being? < 1059517955 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foo.bar = 42; Foo // returns failure < 1059517960 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1059517980 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a... Quirk ;) < 1059517986 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand. < 1059518017 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would understand if it returned some object. < 1059518020 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no Foo... But there is a Foo.bar... < 1059518039 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you expect Foo to be? < 1059518043 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's *wrong* < 1059518115 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would expect Foo.bar = 42 to cause an error < 1059518129 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The really fun part is when you do 'Foo.bar = 42;Foo = 3;Foo' ... It returns failure. < 1059518141 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah < 1059518148 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I mention that Loell was quirky? < 1059518157 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1059518160 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it returns 3 for me < 1059518188 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, this is probably due to Quirk #2... < 1059518209 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'quirk' is a good name for a programming language. < 1059518213 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's something very bizarre about the interpreter. It doesn't reset the environment between compilations, or something. < 1059518245 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reload the page :) < 1059518252 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, i don't believe you. < 1059518289 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe he's fixed it... But it definitely carried over _something_ when I tried it originally.. < 1059518301 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1059518309 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running the exact same piece of code twice gave different results. < 1059518314 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, assignment to nonexistent objects is wrong. < 1059518327 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cry me a river. < 1059518341 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1059518343 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I GOT IT! < 1059518343 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1059518350 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1059518351 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes perfect sense < 1059518358 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no Foo < 1059518365 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Foo.bar is actually failure.bar < 1059518370 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foo.bar = 3 < 1059518371 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :failure.bar = 5 < 1059518371 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foo.bar < 1059518376 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This returns 5 :) < 1059518376 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. Interesting. < 1059518391 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it makes sense then. < 1059518397 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'd rather have an exception. < 1059518465 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah. Why clutter the language with exceptions? :) < 1059518510 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you can simply extensively test every expression! < 1059518533 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precisely. < 1059518544 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't forget which channel this is... < 1059518548 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, this is vile and Perlish. < 1059518558 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric is one thing, Perlish is another < 1059518564 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe not. < 1059518691 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it seems i can't assign to failure < 1059518700 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1059518749 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :failure = 5 < 1059518753 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :failure == 5 < 1059518763 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This returns 5, which is supposed to be success < 1059518774 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xyzzy < 1059518777 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This returns failure. < 1059518819 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way i think it should be trivial to compile loell to python < 1059518847 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great. < 1059518909 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only problem would be weird scoping < 1059518920 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the scoping is not that weird. < 1059518941 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. I'll look forward to your implementation :) < 1059518965 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! don't. < 1059518984 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1059518997 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not gonna write it. < 1059518999 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1059519013 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. Gotta go. < 1059519016 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talk to you later. < 1059519021 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye. < 1059521794 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1059521801 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! < 1059521814 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid so. < 1059521927 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, anyway... You were saying? < 1059521960 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No i wasn't. < 1059521973 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that I'm not going to write loell < 1059521976 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1059521981 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why yes? < 1059521988 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In python! < 1059522029 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it'd be a great learning experience. Now tell me why not. < 1059522059 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it'd be a great learning experience! < 1059522064 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, because it wouldn't. < 1059522073 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1059522087 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compiling it to python? Of course not. < 1059522095 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python already can do everything loell does. < 1059522109 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ehm... Who said anything about compiling to Python? I certainly didn't. < 1059522117 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did! < 1059522140 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:37 < lament> By the way i think it should be trivial to compile loell to < 1059522142 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : python < 1059522148 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:39 <@Taaus> Ok. I'll look forward to your implementation :) < 1059522203 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing an interpreter for it in C would be fun, I guess. < 1059522203 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love it when people say 1) It's trivial, but 2) I won't do it. < 1059522212 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's not trivial! < 1059522216 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the boring parts are not trivial < 1059522218 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like writing the parser < 1059522231 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah. Writing a parser is trivial. < 1059522240 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never! < 1059522247 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Absolutes are boring. < 1059522262 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always! < 1059522266 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You suck. < 1059522270 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never! < 1059522275 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now read this conversation in reverse. < 1059522283 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooo < 1059522289 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1059522292 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : <@Taaus> Now read this conversation in reverse. < 1059522295 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< lament> never! < 1059522317 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm curious... What _do_ you do with your time? Besides talking about things you won't do? < 1059522337 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're right. < 1059522388 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1059522406 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm supposed to be writing the z-machine assembler < 1059522410 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably will, eventually < 1059522426 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once that's done, I might write some cool language that would compile to it. < 1059522449 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freak! I'll look forward to it. Is that permitted? < 1059522460 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1059522484 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who needs Parrot when there's the Z-machine? < 1059522506 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, who needs Parrot when there's no Z-machine) < 1059522521 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point. < 1059522967 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tiny objecty languages are always fun, but they always lack something. < 1059522973 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually something which Python doesn't lack. < 1059523026 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what you mean. Significant whitespace. < 1059523045 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!! < 1059523047 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1059523051 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1059523066 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/No/Not really < 1059523076 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Io, for example, is not _that_ bad. < 1059523099 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Io is... Too young :/ < 1059523105 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it had a generally accepted module system, it would be usable. < 1059523123 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't, and it's not. < 1059523158 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... The same can be said of Scheme, can't it? < 1059523163 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1059523180 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Pity :/ < 1059523225 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although in case of Io, "generally accepted" would be "accepted by both Io users" < 1059523231 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/be/mean < 1059523235 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch. < 1059523268 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol... This is from the pragprog mailing list... About the new "Pragmatic" language: < 1059523274 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Just remember that as yet there are no functions, no methods, no calling < 1059523274 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> conventions, nothing. All that is built on the block concept. < 1059523275 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        I agree and that is all well and fine but we *MUST* map it onto a 1-d tape < 1059523278 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of bits and primative state transforms at some point. < 1059523285 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're going down. < 1059523344 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what _is_ pragmatic programming? < 1059523355 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming that gets the job done. < 1059523396 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pragmaticprogrammer.com/ < 1059523439 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby! < 1059523446 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut yo' mouth! < 1059523490 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't < 1059523492 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Pragmatic Programmers are big proponents of Ruby, yeah. < 1059523492 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ruby! < 1059523498 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby annoys me. < 1059523516 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrrr < 1059523522 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can think of Ruby as a mix of Perl and Smalltalk, or look at it as Python with full object-orientation. < 1059523533 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.k... < 1059523576 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm familiar with Ruby. The Smalltalk bits I like... The Perl bits give me the willies. < 1059523585 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but that quote is still WRONG < 1059523618 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the python bit < 1059523624 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. I didn't know it was a quote... For one it didn't have quote marks... < 1059523632 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was puzzled by that. < 1059523674 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If i send them an email asking to change that, will they? < 1059523691 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask them to explain it first :) < 1059523698 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1059523705 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea. < 1059523741 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRB... Mmmm. Tea. < 1059523815 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn... The dishwasher is still running... No tea for the next 20 minutes :( < 1059523930 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sent them an email. < 1059523943 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But i think they just wrote that because it's a trendy thing to write. < 1059523970 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, probably. < 1059523990 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the whole website is just too buzzwordy. < 1059524010 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's aimed at managers... No such thing as 'too buzzwordy' in that case ;) < 1059524018 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Andy specializes in blending tried-and-true techniques with leading-edge technologies, creating novel -- but practical -- solutions." < 1059524031 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, that is rather bad. < 1059524084 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least they wrote leading, not bleeding. < 1059524113 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think 'bleeding-edge' appeals to managers. < 1059524135 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the mailing list also aimed at managers? < 1059524173 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. It's a bunch of people who claim to be pragmatic programmers. And me. < 1059524197 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully you make fun of them! < 1059524209 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really my style. < 1059524293 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually < 1059524300 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought pragmatic programmers were called software engineers. < 1059524318 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they are. I wouldn't know... < 1059524329 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/cgi-local/pragprog?NamingTheProgram <--- Heh... < 1059524364 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The RequestedFeatures page is a hoot too. < 1059524384 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The material in this Wiki is Copyright (c) 2001 the Pragmatic Programmers, LLC, and may well end up in our next book. By posting to this Wiki, you agree that we can use your ideas. Please sign what you enter, and we'll do our best to attribute what you say." < 1059524393 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like those people at all. < 1059524415 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. Never noticed that. < 1059524441 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme < 1059524441 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Too hard to learn < 1059524441 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Too much like assembly language (Scheme is the assembly of the lambda calculus) < 1059524445 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Not enough industry support < 1059524447 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Rotten FFI < 1059524449 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Reasons why it isn't Pragmatic) < 1059524453 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1059524466 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really like reason #3... That's really a language flaw... Mmm... Yep. < 1059524493 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a language flaw < 1059524498 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a reason why it's not pragmatic < 1059524506 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the reason 1 < 1059524509 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe. < 1059524536 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I bet there's more industry support for Scheme than for Pragmatic. < 1059524539 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it's too hard to learn - it does'nt use C syntax < 1059524549 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C < 1059524549 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Not sufficiently abstract < 1059524549 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Too easy to shoot yourself in the foot < 1059524557 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true. < 1059524562 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1059524604 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... I need to try CHICKEN. < 1059524677 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Careful with what you post on the list. It's probably also copyright (c) Them < 1059524688 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you seen the list of requested features? < 1059524706 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1059524716 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Proper Tail Recursion < 1059524716 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Lisp-like Macros < 1059524716 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can guess! < 1059524717 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Simple syntax < 1059524722 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, I can't < 1059524724 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And first-class functions. < 1059524727 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1059524750 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Industry support < 1059524779 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1059524916 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, attacking #python people < 1059524933 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah... People who are spreading FUD!! < 1059526065 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was fun. < 1059526757 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. bye. < 1059526758 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1059543301 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1059543370 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1059543370 0 :niven.freenode.net!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o Taaus < 1059543382 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1059543409 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1059543409 0 :niven.freenode.net!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o Taaus < 1059549846 0 :andreou!~kvik@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1059551999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1059552000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1059552169 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1059591910 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1059594684 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1059594707 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the esoteric programming language list on purists.org has been renamed "stupid programming languages" < 1059594731 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also they write Brainfork instead of Brainfuck < 1059594748 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and never even hint that that's not its true name < 1059594764 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1059595890 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1059595895 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck was renamed?!? < 1059596272 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never! < 1059596299 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfork is a lame name. < 1059596302 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1059596308 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't supposed to fork your brain. < 1059596313 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1059596322 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, stupid purists.org < 1059596328 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"stupid languages" hah! < 1059596335 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... I thought purists.org was kraml.at, or something? < 1059596345 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes. < 1059596351 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't memorize the new url. < 1059596374 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair 'nuff. < 1059596564 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prods lament with a named let.
< 1059596690 0 :andreou!~kvik@ppp7.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1059596699 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :andreou! Defender of the ppl! < 1059596740 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sleepy defender of the people, for that matter. < 1059596771 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you're sleepy, you should... Wait for it... Sleep! < 1059596787 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! < 1059596792 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must'n't! < 1059596800 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion on purists.org renaming Brainfuck to Brainfork? < 1059596813 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1059596816 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT? < 1059596840 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was pretty much the reaction I expected. < 1059596890 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I expect they'll be using {} for [], () for <> and, what, _= for -+? < 1059596947 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... It could be worse... They could have renamed it to Ook. (A language I consider to be totally superfluous) < 1059596997 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, from my point of view, they can rename it to DisneyDrum too. It will still be a great Brainfucking experience, no matter how it's called. < 1059597005 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taaus: bah, ook is ok < 1059597010 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, ok is ook < 1059597013 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can call it a trip, a paper, an LSD shot, it's still a high :-) . < 1059597017 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taaus: The coolest language ever is e! < 1059597020 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever it's called < 1059597025 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e? < 1059597027 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does Ook give me that Brainfuck doesn't? < 1059597032 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Besides RSI) < 1059597037 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrh < 1059597041 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1059597042 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh :) < 1059597046 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :andreou: the one that guy on esolang proposed a year ago < 1059597047 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more < 1059597056 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh... I remember that language. < 1059597064 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which uses exclamation marks for everything, but otherwise is just brainfuck.... without loops < 1059597066 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got pointers? < 1059597068 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I preferred the name 'straightfuck' that someone suggested ;) < 1059597088 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did the name change issue came up *at all*? < 1059597113 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taaus: i remember people decided that "brain" is too obscene < 1059597116 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Brainfuck->Brainfork one? < 1059597120 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taaus: so they wanted to rename the language to "fuck" < 1059597128 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Brainfuck->* one. < 1059597140 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :andreou: because purists.org DID change the name < 1059597142 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, apparently purists.org is a bunch of prudes. < 1059597166 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :andreou: they also renamed their esoteric programming languages list to "stupid programming languages" < 1059597172 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they didn't. They *think* they have, but they haven't. < 1059597209 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, purists.org should be removed from the Obfuscated Languages list at dmoz. :-) < 1059597212 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like calling fugue a stupid genre, because they're hard to write! < 1059597219 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1059597222 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!!!! < 1059597226 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ook! OOk! < 1059597228 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love writing fugues :) < 1059597240 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taaus: how many have you written? < 1059597249 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two or three. < 1059597258 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've written more inventions. < 1059597269 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're mad < 1059597271 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was part of the first year of my music studies) < 1059597272 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they good? < 1059597282 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The quality... Varies :P < 1059597287 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fugues in first year! < 1059597308 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish i studied music. < 1059597311 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament then it's ok, it's *they* who's mad, not taaus. < 1059597344 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: It doesn't exactly help matter that I'm a complete Bach nut. Me and some other music students even started a Bach lodge. < 1059597380 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bach lodge! < 1059597392 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you a music student? < 1059597401 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because music rocks? < 1059597417 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were a CS student or something like that. < 1059597439 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. I'm not good at that stuff.. (j/k) < 1059597451 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I'm switching to Mathematics in a few months. < 1059597461 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sick < 1059597477 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1059597502 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of bach, do you have richter's first WTC recording? < 1059597541 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so, no. < 1059597551 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it good? :) < 1059597554 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Food is here. < 1059597571 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taaus: you have to ask? < 1059597573 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bon appetit, andreou! < 1059597578 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of bach nut _are_ you? :) < 1059597594 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the kind of Bach nut that thinks Glenn Gould is a demigod ;) < 1059597608 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Koopman on the organ. *drool* < 1059597637 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1059597722 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew, gould! < 1059597754 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the humming bach-playing machine! < 1059597760 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1059597784 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any idea how difficult it is to play Bach and hum at the same time? < 1059597814 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any idea how difficult it is to liston to Bach and to humming at the same time? < 1059597817 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*listen < 1059597839 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. It really isn't an issue. < 1059597850 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is! < 1059597865 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well... De gustibus no est disputandum, I guess. < 1059597874 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, listen to the first prelude from WTC in gould and richter recordings < 1059597912 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tired of the WTC 1 prelude in C. < 1059597928 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it's good for comparison. < 1059597933 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree. < 1059597934 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gould plays it without legato. < 1059597944 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like crap. < 1059597950 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In your opinion. < 1059597953 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! < 1059597979 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at least I've listened to both versions! < 1059597992 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good thing your opinion doesn't matter to me :) < 1059598043 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gould is too much of an 'entertainer'. All those show-off photos, humming, etc < 1059598090 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs
< 1059598091 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, why am i arguing, i haven't even written any fugues! < 1059598096 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write one. < 1059598098 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Befunge. < 1059598109 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Befugue in C. < 1059598113 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck. < 1059598159 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grrr... The DrScheme editor annoys me. < 1059598174 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't use it. < 1059598186 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For both applicable values of it! < 1059598208 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you propose I use instead? Bigloo? < 1059598234 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe even bigloo! < 1059598283 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, befunge doesn't have threads < 1059598294 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly doesn't have voices < 1059598344 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just make it output Lilypond code ;) < 1059598364 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, that would be neat < 1059598386 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i couldn't install lilypond last time i tried < 1059598402 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually started working on an online collaborative fugue-writing system for our Bach-lodge homepage... But I never got very far :( < 1059598418 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fugue-writing system? < 1059598429 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds evil < 1059598429 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Using Lilypond. < 1059598436 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like something gould would enjoy! < 1059598446 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1059598598 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :outputting raw MIDI would be neat. < 1059598924 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, MIDI has major and minor scales. How quaint. < 1059598933 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1059598947 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the scale is defined by number of flats and sharps and one bit for majo/minor < 1059598958 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cute. < 1059598997 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a pointless way! < 1059599005 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite. < 1059599029 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You use quite a lot of exclamation marks, you know that? < 1059599079 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope the signature is not actually used for anything! < 1059599111 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course lilypond is also affected by similar cuteness < 1059599204 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite.. Lilypond isn't _restricted_ to major/minor... It just has good definitions to start with... A _lot_ of music is either in the major or minor mode. < 1059599284 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes. < 1059599299 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, all of music notation is extremely weird < 1059599308 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. But it works ;) < 1059599311 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also things like pianos < 1059599340 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_-_-__-_-_-_ < 1059599430 0 :andreou!~kvik@195.130.100.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1059599456 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1059599471 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back with a full stomach; screw vengeance. < 1059599513 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome back! < 1059599941 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... The discussion of the new "Pragmatic" language has moved to another mailing list now. pragmatic_lang at Yahoo groups. < 1059599964 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeap, I'm long gone from the scene. < 1059599980 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh? < 1059600168 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1059600168 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check < 1059600171 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something is strange here < 1059600188 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The #esoteric input box is right-aligned. < 1059600188 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's you. ;) < 1059600190 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the hell. < 1059600194 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ÅëëçíéêÜ. < 1059600210 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1059600212 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1059600214 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1059600216 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange < 1059600219 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1059600219 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two edit boxen. < 1059600380 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check. < 1059600392 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roger. < 1059600405 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bacon. < 1059600415 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Francis. < 1059600808 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :co, San. < 1059600864 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ta Claus. < 1059601068 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who was that von Klaussewitz (sp?) character? < 1059601094 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea. :/ < 1059602792 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1059603029 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming is boring. < 1059603062 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boring is programming. < 1059603067 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me fix this weirdness the hard way. < 1059603068 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1059603072 0 :andreou!~kvik@195.130.100.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1059603076 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh? < 1059603076 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1059603087 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever you do can be done by a turing machine anyway, so why bother? < 1059603113 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And whatever you do on a real computer can be done by SMETANA. < 1059603122 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.frap.net/kenn/scmnote/ <--- Look at this, lament :) < 1059603128 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, I think the correct thinking is "Whatever you do can be done by SOMEBODY ELSE". < 1059603149 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/can/should < 1059603160 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah! < 1059603207 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taaus: ooh. Sick!@ < 1059603406 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1059603413 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about an esoteric music notation system? < 1059603447 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shudder at the thought. < 1059603455 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The scale would be major bebop, and no way to change it! < 1059603485 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, major and minor is the same thing... It's just a matter of perspective ;)= < 1059603487 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course pythagorean tuning < 1059603498 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taaus: 'major bebop' is a scale. < 1059603508 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has nine notes iirc < 1059603517 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I thought you just threw the bebop in there as an exclamation :) < 1059603546 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :major and minor aren't the same thing, either. < 1059603577 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes they are. < 1059603581 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No they're not < 1059603594 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'a' is identical to 'C'. < 1059603601 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1059603602 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a matter of where you start the scale. < 1059603607 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1059603612 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is important. < 1059603614 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very. < 1059603617 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A matter of 'perspective', as I put it. < 1059603728 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, 'major' and 'minor' are very stupid words in this context. < 1059603736 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ionian' and 'aeolian' are much better < 1059603747 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed. < 1059603860 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :major bebop is ionian, with an added 5# < 1059603871 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1059603935 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1059604166 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wanders off
< 1059608265 0 :andreou!~kvik@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1059610931 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is music turing-complete? < 1059611196 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://www.stephensykes.com/choon/choon.html < 1059611341 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I remember that. < 1059611645 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you played with it? < 1059611667 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1059612203 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh. The Quack Scheme mode for Emacs automatically turns 'lambda' into a small lambda symbol :D < 1059612233 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.neilvandyke.org/quack/screenshot.png < 1059612280 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How --ahem-- useful... :) < 1059612289 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe. < 1059612293 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... I thought it was cute ;) < 1059612860 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very. < 1059612869 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1059613265 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eta looks neat too. < 1059613269 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1059613567 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1059621099 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1059621099 0 :clog!nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1059632918 0 :andreou!~kvik@ppp7.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1059638399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1059638400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1059640640 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1059671298 0 :andreou!~kvik@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1059671950 0 :docelic!~docelic@ri01-079.dialin.iskon.hr JOIN :#esoteric < 1059671962 0 :docelic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1059673851 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1059674179 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pragmatic Programmers(tm) replied to my email. < 1059674186 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did they say? < 1059674190 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They exhibit horrible suckage. < 1059674200 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that goes without saying. < 1059674213 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they probably reserve the right to include your email in their next book. < 1059674217 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I deleted one of the answers < 1059674226 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but here's the other one < 1059674236 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've always felt that Python's OO features has a distinctly "bolted-on" feel, < 1059674240 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that they were neither integral nor seemless with the language on the whole. < 1059674242 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby, by comparison, is fully OO from the ground up -- native types included, < 1059674244 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1059674247 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic names with double underscores, etc. < 1059674250 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the gist of it. < 1059674277 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... My momma always used to say that you shouldn't trust someone who can't spell 'seamless'. < 1059674318 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, hey - _i_ don't subscribe to their mailing list :) < 1059674326 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch. Touché. < 1059674421 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, what is Touche? < 1059674430 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like 'got me' or something? < 1059674435 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1059674441 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a fencing term. < 1059674776 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There're too many esoteric languages :( < 1059674816 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just eliminate the useless ones, then. Oh, wait... < 1059674838 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1059674902 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there're some genuinely bad ones < 1059674914 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like ook :) < 1059674921 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And E ;) < 1059674931 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the minimal assemblers are rather mediocre < 1059674954 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which includes brainfuck, but brainfuck is special < 1059677532 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X::=~# < 1059677532 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y::=~* < 1059677532 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z::=~\n < 1059677532 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_.::=._X < 1059677532 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_*::=*_Y < 1059677534 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :._|::=.Z-| < 1059677537 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*_|::=Z < 1059677539 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..-::=.-. < 1059677542 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :**-::=*-. < 1059677545 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*.-::=*-* < 1059677547 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.*-::=.-* < 1059677548 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love Thue. < 1059677549 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@.-::=@_. < 1059677552 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(.) (.) < 1059677552 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@*-::=@_* < 1059677555 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :::= < 1059677555 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ) ( < 1059677557 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@_*...............| < 1059677558 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( # ) < 1059677604 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: That program requires a thue interpreter that understands \n < 1059677622 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We call this piece 'andreou's naked ascii-art woman bisected by a Thue program' < 1059677626 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it do? < 1059677649 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the sierpinski cellular automaton < 1059677654 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heH < 1059677655 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1059677672 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thue is really awesome for some kinds of stuff < 1059677679 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and absolutely horrible for others < 1059677693 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duh. < 1059677694 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a simple rhythm pattern generator in three or so lines < 1059677701 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yay for randomness) < 1059677712 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then i wante to write an interactive fiction game... < 1059677716 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wanted < 1059677972 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, i created four rooms, and the player could move from room to room < 1059677994 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if player typed anything other than n,e,s,w, the game immediately ended :( < 1059678004 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thue IO sucks. < 1059678006 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tsk, tsk. < 1059678006 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially I. < 1059678026 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thue with wildcards. That would be interesting. < 1059678032 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1059678036 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought about using regexes < 1059678055 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh... Do it in SED, you freak. ;) < 1059678061 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1059678100 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah... SED isn't very interesting as an esoteric language :/ < 1059678109 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's neat < 1059678112 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a bit too powerful. < 1059678136 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just make a Thue where ? matches any single character. < 1059678137 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1059678150 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My pattern generator, by the way, output things like X.X.XX.X.X.X.XX. < 1059678182 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All such patterns have the property of sounding cool. < 1059678194 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh... Coolness is subjective. < 1059678199 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except perhaps X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X. < 1059678245 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should read the book 'From Polychords to Pólya' by Mike Keith... It goes through the mathematics of scales, chords and rhythms :) < 1059678275 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm generally not very interested in generated music < 1059678297 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in mathematics of musics for that matter < 1059678313 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*music :) < 1059678322 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's too scary a subject < 1059678363 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awww... Is iddle-widdle lament afraid? < 1059678370 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1059678381 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afraid of computers being able to create good music :) < 1059678398 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad music is ok, though < 1059678402 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt.drugs.intercal < 1059678438 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh... I imagine Intercal is classified as a depressant, and not as a stimulant... ;) < 1059678462 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that when I was programming in Intercal I was seeing colors... < 1059678477 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, how do i generate a sierpinsi triangle which is not slanted? < 1059678487 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slanted ==? < 1059678511 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first four lines of the output of the program i pasted: < 1059678511 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * < 1059678512 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1059678513 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :** < 1059678513 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* * < 1059678513 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :**** < 1059678515 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * * < 1059678517 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh. < 1059678519 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1059678525 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1059678578 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing i don't like about Thue is that programs are too long and narrow < 1059678604 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just don't look cool < 1059678615 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike most befunge programs, for example < 1059678616 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough* Subjective *cough* < 1059678642 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, of course, the stupid need to escape newlines < 1059678653 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, thue programs should use a binary format :) < 1059678690 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, subjective. But would you put a thue program in your signature? < 1059678747 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. I don't use signatures. < 1059678838 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see! < 1059678882 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See what? < 1059678917 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thue programs aren't compact. < 1059678923 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compact is good. < 1059678936 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's thinking like that that brought us Perl. < 1059678951 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want compact, go code in J. < 1059678966 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Perl is a great esoteric language. < 1059678980 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for the fact that people haven't realised it's esoteric. < 1059678991 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some have! < 1059678996 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough. < 1059678998 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough*perl golf < 1059679025 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, they might not realize it, but _of course_ it's esoteric. < 1059679041 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wonderfully compact. < 1059679121 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :significant newlines are highly non-esoteric. < 1059679127 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fewd. < 1059679176 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1059684777 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1059686517 0 :andreou!~kvik@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1059688177 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric