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00:37:31 -!- Taaus has set topic: SKI combinators in Maple! Woo! "s:=a->b->c->a(c)(b(c)); k:=x->y->x; i:=x->x;".
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01:36:00 <Taaus> How's the hand-drum fugue coming along?
01:36:04 <lament> I went to a CS course today!
01:36:07 <lament> For the first time in my life!
01:36:27 <lament> well. er... i have the first two and a half measures
01:37:13 <lament> And an idea for one of the episodes.
01:37:22 <lament> The episodes will likely be improvised.
01:37:41 <Taaus> Nice. Or something.
01:38:23 <lament> oh, i have another measure too
01:47:24 * lament wonders if he was going to say something
01:47:43 <Taaus> It sure looked that way... But what do I know... Or care.
01:48:07 * Taaus goes back to doing painful things with Maple
01:51:08 <lament> why are you doing painful things with maple?
01:51:35 <Taaus> Because... Umm... Damn. I knew someone was going to ask me that.
01:52:10 <Taaus> Because my CS classes are so insanely easy I've decided to spice it up a bit... Like using Church numerals, etc.
01:56:44 <lament> will your cs professor be able to understand it?\
01:57:15 <lament> well, as long as it works....
02:02:54 * lament attempts to record the first prelude
02:12:40 <Verbed> Why have you abandoned your attempt already?
02:13:25 <lament> Verbed: have you ever tried to record stuff?
02:15:58 <Verbed> I've worked on a few pieces, all completely synthesized. I imagine the transition from analog to digital difficult, just curious of the details.
02:16:27 <lament> you mean, you enter the notes and computer plays them?
02:16:34 <lament> or you play stuff on the synthesizer?
02:17:30 <Verbed> I used a MIDI sequencer and had my SBLive synthesize the instruments using SoundFonts ( Samples ).
02:17:42 <Verbed> At least for the piece I completed..
02:17:43 <lament> that's not quite the same.
02:17:50 <lament> The problem with recording stuff
02:18:01 <lament> Is that you always get something wrong!
02:18:10 <lament> Unless you're a genius.
02:18:18 <lament> Taaus probably doesn't get anything wrong.
02:18:31 <lament> And when you do get it wrong, you get to start over!
02:18:39 <lament> So recording stuff is like Nethack.
02:18:58 <Verbed> If wouldn't mind a less 'authentic' sound, you might sample different individual notes.
02:19:02 <lament> Serious multi-track recording is Hell.
02:19:11 <Verbed> Which could be sequenced with CSound for example.
02:19:14 <lament> I would mind it very much
02:19:53 <lament> music is meant to be created and played by people :)
02:21:12 <lament> besides, the whole point is to record myself
02:21:17 <Verbed> A difference, to play a piece or to _sculpt_ a piece.
02:21:26 <lament> i know my computer can play the first prelude :)
02:21:54 <lament> is that like composing? :)
02:24:58 <Verbed> There are many perspectives on the many aspects of music.
02:25:47 <Verbed> 'Western' musics and harmony, 'Eastern' and melody.
02:26:07 <Verbed> The focus on Rhythm in African musics.
02:26:55 <Verbed> Jazz and its basis on _performance_.
02:27:01 <lament> and the focus on timbre in modern classical. blah blah
02:27:03 <Verbed> The pseudomusic of John Cage.
02:27:48 <lament> I don't understand modern classical! I'm too dumb for it.
02:28:01 <Verbed> I don't even know what modern classical is :P
02:28:04 <lament> But I understand jazz.
02:28:14 <lament> Therefore, timbre can go fuck itself!
02:28:27 <lament> As can synthesized music.
02:29:21 <lament> Verbed: nasty digital stuff without melody, harmony or rhythm.
02:30:44 <Verbed> The perspective of texture and timbre in music is not reliant on the synthesizer, digital or analog.
02:32:31 <Verbed> Tom Waits has an instrument, a dumpster which is bowed on its cables.
02:33:08 <lament> I have a guitar. It sounds like a dumpster with cables.
02:41:53 <Verbed> Music is a specification of form, its meaning is completely malleable. John Cage's 4'33 is a profound example; when made conscious of a context, even complete silence is music.
02:53:42 <lament> very shitty music, certainly.
03:00:24 <Verbed> To some minds... ears.
03:12:15 <lament> Yes. To most, hopefully. :)
03:12:24 <lament> Appreciation of music is not all subjective.
03:17:32 <Verbed> I don't know that I can understand your statement unless we agree on what 'subjective' means.
03:19:00 <lament> There's certain music that just sucks regardless of what individual people might think of it.
03:19:43 <Verbed> Do you mean that sincerely?
03:20:37 <Verbed> Do you mean that insincerely?
03:20:58 <Verbed> Did you mean 'No' sincerely?
03:23:28 <Verbed> The last one doesn't seem very sincere.
03:23:42 <Verbed> Perhaps I have a cold.
03:24:42 <lament> some music is just not meant for homo sapiens
03:25:35 <Verbed> How can 'music' exist independent of human thought?
03:32:56 <Verbed> I would need to inspect the flax in order to determine that.
03:34:48 <Verbed> I don't trust the flax.
03:35:37 <lament> i don't think music is an individual thing
03:36:22 <Verbed> There are so many terms that need to be agreed upon.
03:36:36 <Verbed> Does good music sound pleasant?
03:36:59 <Verbed> What is this 'goodness' anyways?
03:37:01 <lament> That's an individual thing
03:37:19 <lament> and i'm not talking about goodness!
03:37:36 <lament> i'm talking about suckiness :)
03:38:24 <Verbed> Should it be meaningful whether a music is sucky or not?
03:40:31 <Verbed> Prevalent in Japanese culture.
03:42:49 <lament> Music can be almost objectively evaluated on two levels
03:43:07 <lament> in full context of the time period, and in itself
03:43:59 <lament> In itself, 4:33 is not music.
03:44:10 <Verbed> Sake musehicks stemuleits the creatif braincentermind.
03:44:40 <lament> in context, it's a smartass attempt at being weird.
03:44:56 <lament> see, i'm being completely objective!
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