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01:21:27 <mooz-> and stupid day on 21.1
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01:56:47 * warpzero is away: Can you feel it? Can you feel the rythm?
02:17:54 <fizzie> I can feel it's 0400am local time and there's a maths lecture awaiting that starts at 0800.
02:19:39 <fizzie> not sure if sleeping now would do any good.
02:23:29 <fizzie> the lecture or the sleep?
02:24:31 <fizzie> meh, but I've skipped most of the previous ones.
02:29:16 <Taaus> What's the lecture about?
02:29:50 <fizzie> I'm not quite sure, since I've skipped most of the previous ones.
02:30:04 <fizzie> I think it might have something to do with integrals.
02:30:20 <Taaus> That's a pretty wide-ranging subject ;)
02:30:40 <fizzie> differential equations generally is another possibility.
02:31:05 <Taaus> Sounds like what I'll be subjected to this semester...
02:31:46 <fizzie> first, just started this university stuff autumn-2003.
02:32:09 <fizzie> so with two semesters I think it's the "mandatory math course number 2".
02:32:19 <lament> that's what i'm taking too!
02:32:40 <Taaus> Heh... Me too, actually... Due to two wasted years of studying Music at the university :)
02:32:48 <lament> i think you can skip it ;)
02:33:16 <fizzie> I think I recall someone saying they talked about the Riemann integral last lecture.
02:33:28 <lament> i probably failed a quiz today, mostly because i didn't know about it
02:33:33 <lament> and i didn't even skip any lectures :|
02:33:47 <Taaus> You have lectures already? In Denmark, this month is all exams... My last exam was earlier today.
02:34:44 <fizzie> lectures started.. hm, monday this week? something like that. exams before that.
02:35:03 <Taaus> Ah. Not so different after all, then.
02:35:04 <lament> they started on monday
02:35:10 <lament> yet you say you skipped "most of them"?
02:35:25 <fizzie> math started earlier than the other lectures, for some reason I don't know.
02:35:30 <fizzie> last wednesday, that is.
02:35:47 <fizzie> so there have been wed, thu, fri, mon, tue and wed lectures already.
02:36:05 <fizzie> 5, so I can say 'most'.
02:36:15 <Taaus> You can never have too much math :)
02:36:44 <lament> when it interferes with sleep it's definitely too much
02:36:44 <Taaus> Math is like... Glenn Gould playing Bach ;P
02:37:11 <Taaus> Except people give you odd looks if you hum along to various proofs...
02:37:46 <fizzie> yeah, two hours of lectures, four days of week. they made me attend this "more maths+physics than normally" group for some reason.
02:38:18 <fizzie> actually they just sent an invite which said "only 10% of new students get invited to this" so I foolishly accepted.
02:38:47 <lament> Taaus: wait, i'm trying to come up with a witty reply
02:38:56 <Taaus> lament: Take your time ;)
02:39:07 <fizzie> "normal people" only have maths lectures tue, wed and thu.
02:39:26 <fizzie> (well, at least people studying cs here. wouldn't know about other people.)
02:40:32 <lament> i'm shaken and disgusted.
02:40:40 <lament> you managed to insult both bach and math so horribly :)
02:42:01 <lament> are music courses really boring?
02:42:32 <Taaus> Well... Some of them are nice... But the stuff about music history is very painful.
02:43:26 <lament> what are the nice ones?
02:43:38 <lament> i just can't think of too many things about music to study full-time at university
02:43:58 <Taaus> The analysis and composition stuff is nice. And the practical courses are very cool too.
02:46:36 <lament> analysis... composition...
02:47:02 <fizzie> sounds more like functions than music.
02:47:22 <lament> learning "composition" (of anything) in university is admitting defeat :)
02:47:47 <fizzie> eeh, the schedule thing implies I have 'stuff' tomorrow 0800-1800. that's 10 hours of staying awake "tomorrow".
02:49:03 <lament> and "analysis" of music... I wonder if they also have integration.
02:49:43 <lament> Integrate the area between the alto and soprano in this chorale.
02:49:55 <fizzie> including a two-hour lecture of "t-121.100 introduction to user centred design", which consists of powerpoint slide shows with no "real text", only some really incomprehensible pictures and buzzwords randomly dropped on top of them.
02:49:55 <deltab> that's what synthesisers are for
02:50:28 <lament> fizzie: are the notes available on the net? don't go there!
02:50:59 <lament> deltab: integrating between voices? 8)
02:51:03 <fizzie> I think I'll try to take a two-hour break and try find something to eat during the lecture. the slides should be/appear in the net.
02:53:23 <fizzie> it's funny, they have auto-graded 'lecture questions' one needs to answer after the lecture in the interweb. so basically you just open the slides in one window, questions in another and find the answers there. I'm.. not sure I'm learning much about "basics in user interfaces, usability and user-centred product development", more like "vgrepping for facts in powerpoint slides".
02:55:38 <lament> that's what university education is all about.
02:57:44 <fizzie> at least the powerpoint slides don't use funky animated transitions here. in the 'signal processing systems' lectures they had applied an animated "slides in from the side of the screen" effect in each separate arrow of a rather large graph.
02:57:55 <fizzie> 'whee see the arrow fly.'
02:59:06 <fizzie> nifty. when I grow up to lecture in a university, I'll use the sound effects powerpoint installation contains. I think there was a typewriter sound and a scifi-laser-gun-zzzap sound at least.
03:00:04 <lament> i've heard a 'whoosh' effect used on a lecture.
03:00:20 <lament> (to accompany a flying arrow, no less)
03:00:54 <lament> that wasn't even a CS lecture.
03:03:52 <fizzie> seems I spend thrice as much time in typesetting the answers to these math exercise things in latex2e than I do in solving them. (that doesn't mean I'd solve them really fast, just that I spend hours in latexifying the solutions.)
03:07:23 <Taaus> Mmmm.... TeX... Gotta love it.
03:09:00 <fizzie> I typeset'd the solutions to our "data structures and algorithms" course using the pseudocode-typesetting package used and published by clrs (cormen, leiserson, rivest, stein: introduction to algorithms) authors.
03:09:35 <fizzie> it's a latex2e package and available for download on the book's mitpress webpage. that was an unexpected (but happy) surprise.
03:16:33 <fizzie> hm. that's weird. I've been running aafire (aalib's ascii-fire-effect) on the console of my router box (because syslog looks boring and it's on the floor in the corner, so can't use the monitor for anything sensible), but lately it has started to freeze.
03:17:02 <fizzie> the output ceases. ^c still stops the program, and when I re-run it it works fine, but only for few hours.
03:17:04 <Taaus> Freezing fire... Interesting concept.
03:17:21 <fizzie> maybe it's out of fuel or something.
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03:25:50 <fizzie> aalib output is relatively nice to look at when it's moving, but the frozen flame doesn't really look very impressive.
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21:40:04 <lament> The difference between gould and richter, for dummies:
21:40:22 <Taaus> Direct it at yourself, then.
21:40:31 <lament> Gould: "oh look, a melody line! oh, and here's another one! How _cuuuute_!"
21:40:57 <lament> Richter: "two melody lines! Passion is overflowing me! Must play LOUDER!"
22:09:10 <warpzero> i have no idea who those people are but lol
22:09:29 <Taaus> Two famous interpreters of Bach's works.
22:09:30 <lament> well, one of them is a pianist
22:09:44 <lament> the other one sure hums a lot
22:09:59 <Taaus> That's lament's way of saying he doesn't like Gould :)
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23:33:07 <fizzie> does your nick reflect your keyboard layout?
23:36:11 <Taaus-dvorak> But I can feel the qwerty draining from my fingers. ;)
23:37:00 <fizzie> yeah, but the next time you go <some-other-place> you need to write querty again and your fingers will be re-tainted.
23:37:46 <fizzie> whoa, I managed to make a typo in qwerty.
23:38:26 <Taaus-dvorak> Hmm... I guess I'll have to stay at home, then.
23:40:22 <fizzie> that doesn't sound so bad.
23:42:37 <fizzie> but then I couldn't irc during the hours there are no lectures to attend but being too tired to walk home. well, without getting a nice and shiny laptop I could dvorakize.
23:42:45 <fizzie> hm, sounds even better.
23:45:44 <fizzie> I could stay home more, and for the times I absolutely need to go somewhere, I'd have a nice new laptop. sounds like this dvorak thing could have some idea after all.
23:47:44 <fizzie> and we'll rule the galaxy as a father and a son?
23:48:22 <lament> learning dvorak and having to use qwerty on public terminals is indeed annoying
23:48:28 <lament> so is learning linux and having to use windows
23:48:49 <lament> and many other things like that.
23:49:14 <lament> (learning python and having to use any other programming language)
23:49:53 <fizzie> I keep accidentally stepping into one of the windows-based computer classes and then recoiling in horror.
23:50:11 <mooz-> it was aggravating to study the cyrillic layout, and notice the bastards put letters in the right places unlike most here
23:50:38 <lament> mooz-: i think the cyrillic one is almost as dumb as qwerty
23:50:49 <fizzie> plus I was forced to use a windows box when our signal processing course had some matlab sightseeing.
23:50:49 <lament> well, it's on a transitional stage i guess
23:51:02 <mooz-> well there was definitely too much stuff near the index finger
23:51:19 <fizzie> (plus I had forgotten my kerberos-password so I couldn't even log on.)
23:51:26 <lament> dvorak kind of suffers from that as well
23:51:41 <lament> but i'm talking about plainly dumb things like "bI" on the home row
23:53:01 <mooz-> imo it's annoying when commonly used stuff is on the home row. moving fingers around rapidly is much more fun that just tapping keys :)
23:53:30 <lament> sounds like qwerty would be ideal for you.
23:53:59 <lament> Taaus-dvorak: too bad they don't have dvorak pianos!
23:55:24 <lament> but you can't reconfigure your piano to use the janko layout :(
23:56:07 <lament> they do sell janko electronic keyboards in japan
23:56:31 <lament> supposedly they're very popular there, too
23:58:04 <lament> http://www.thecipher.com/WholetoneRevKb-66p.gif
23:58:12 <lament> http://www.chromatic-keyboard.com/
23:58:51 <lament> "It?s manufacturer claims that it?s the number one selling midi controler keyboard in Japan (already).
00:00:50 <Taaus-dvorak> Doesn't look like the Jankos I've seen, though.
00:01:07 <lament> except for the hexagonal keys
00:01:34 <lament> and where have you seen any jankos?
00:04:29 <Taaus-dvorak> http://monxmood.free.fr/images/jnkkeys.jpg <-- Better.
00:11:00 <lament> very pretty, but how is it significantly different?
00:11:15 <lament> well, it has black and white keys :)
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