2004-04-01: 01:20:09 -!- Taaus has set topic: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/8/30/175531/763 <--- Obfuscated J-ish interpreter... Or is it? :). 04:18:09 -!- lament has quit ("BUSY"). 04:45:18 -!- lament has joined. 07:46:23 -!- lament has quit ("NIGHT"). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 23:20:38 -!- lament has joined. 2004-04-02: 04:34:55 -!- deltab has quit (K-lined). 05:36:58 -!- deltab has joined. 06:09:47 welcome back, evil deltab 07:06:17 wahh, evil! 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:42:20 -!- lament has quit ("Lost terminal"). 21:56:44 -!- lament has joined. 23:40:20 now you can survive anywhere, with Toki Pona 23:40:21 http://www.geocities.com/tokipona/text/survive.html 2004-04-03: 02:46:55 -!- lament has quit ("Lost terminal"). 04:15:55 -!- lament has joined. 05:20:19 -!- lament has changed nick to aNGELgURL6969. 05:21:27 -!- aNGELgURL6969 has changed nick to lament. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:15:13 -!- lament has quit ("LOL ROFL OMG KTHXBYE!!!!^________________^"). 10:09:39 -!- edwinb has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 10:09:39 -!- Taaus has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 10:09:53 -!- edwinb has joined. 10:09:53 -!- Taaus has joined. 2004-04-04: 03:28:23 -!- lament has joined. 07:42:40 -!- lament has quit ("Money is the answer to everything (Ecclesiastes 10:19)"). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 17:50:08 -!- lament has joined. 20:26:18 what's J anyway? 21:34:57 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J_programming_language 21:39:02 That's horrible. 21:39:52 core is claimed to be elegant, albeit i see no source code for the system on their official site but only binaries. 21:40:20 it certanly seems elegant... errrrrr 21:40:46 or at least esoteric :) 21:40:56 -!- mooz- has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 2004-04-05: 02:32:18 hm 02:32:45 would it be possible to make a radio without any pre-made components? 02:33:01 seems like the speaker would cause the most troubles 06:53:39 -!- cmeme has quit ("Client terminated by server"). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:28:36 -!- clog has joined. 08:28:36 -!- edwinb has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 08:28:36 -!- Taaus has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 08:28:36 -!- lament has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 08:28:36 -!- fizzie has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 08:28:37 -!- catseye has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 08:28:37 -!- mtve has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 08:30:01 -!- edwinb has joined. 08:30:01 -!- Taaus has joined. 08:30:06 -!- lament has joined. 08:30:06 -!- fizzie has joined. 08:30:35 -!- catseye has joined. 08:30:35 -!- mtve has joined. 09:12:01 -!- lament has quit ("Money is the answer to everything (Ecclesiastes 10:19)"). 18:51:19 -!- cmeme has joined. 22:16:34 -!- lament has joined. 2004-04-06: 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:05:06 -!- lament has quit ("Money is the answer to everything (Ecclesiastes 10:19)"). 08:33:55 -!- mtve has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 08:33:55 -!- catseye has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 08:37:00 -!- mtve has joined. 08:37:00 -!- catseye has joined. 17:39:29 -!- catseye has quit. 22:45:24 -!- lament has joined. 23:36:35 -!- lament has quit ("WRITING THE GODDAMN ESSAY"). 2004-04-07: 00:56:30 -!- lament has joined. 03:05:06 -!- lament has quit ("unless i quit irc RIGHT NOW, I'll never get this assignment done"). 04:25:35 -!- lament has joined. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 09:03:33 -!- lament has quit ("GOOD NIGHT"). 21:22:35 -!- lament has joined. 21:29:34 -!- lament has quit ("Money is the answer to everything (Ecclesiastes 10:19)"). 2004-04-08: 00:55:40 -!- lament has joined. 02:25:35 -!- lament has quit ("Leaving"). 02:25:50 -!- lament has joined. 02:27:56 -!- lament has quit (Remote closed the connection). 02:39:42 -!- lament has joined. 02:47:01 -!- lament has quit ("more restarts"). 02:51:33 -!- lament has joined. 03:19:38 -!- lament has quit ("Leaving"). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 18:05:46 -!- lament has joined. 19:49:48 -!- lament has quit ("Leaving"). 2004-04-09: 04:37:16 -!- dbc has joined. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 09:10:59 >>,[----------[>>[>>>>]<<<<[[-]<[->>>>+>+>>>+[->+>>>]+>+[<<<<]<]>+<<<<]>++++ 09:10:59 ++[>------<-]>--[>[->>>>]+>+[<<<<]>>-],----------]>>>>+>>[<<-<+[>++++++++++< 09:10:59 [>-<-]++++++++++>[[<->-]+[<<<<]]<[[-]>+>>>+>[-]]<]>>>[>[>>>>]<<<<[[-]<[+[->> 09:10:59 >>]>+<]>[<+>[<<<<]]+<<<<]>>>[->>>>]+>+[<<<<]]>[[>+>>[<<<<+>>>>-]>]<<<<[-]>[- 09:10:59 <<<<]]>>>>>>>]<<[+++++>>>>]<<<<[[<++++++++>-]<.[-]<[-]<[-]<]++++++++++.[-],] 09:16:07 I wrote one of the homework assignments of this stupid 'basics of imperative programming' course we had in brainf*ck. decided to return the C version, though. 09:16:24 Ah. 09:16:33 Which was shorter? 09:19:23 the C version, because converting numbers to decimal in brainf*ck is iffy. 09:20:08 if brainf*ck had a 'output as number' instruction, it would've been shorter. 09:20:39 Ah. 09:21:07 hmmmn. 09:21:20 If they need to be output in decimal, I've usually found it easiest to store them in decimal to begin with... 09:21:23 actually it depends on which C version we're talking about. 09:21:44 the 'readable' C version is 21 lines. 09:21:56 Ah. 09:22:21 less readable is 66 characters. 09:22:39 (we had a sort of a competition about the shortness.) 09:24:03 and the brainf*ck code is 75+217 (code + kludgy-ugly decimal conversion and printing routine) 09:24:38 Ah. 09:26:53 [11:29:04] fizban@colin ~/hut/t-106.231-lop> cat hw2-code.bf 09:26:53 code 09:26:53 +[>,----------[>++++++[<------>-]<-->>[->++<]>[-<+>]<<<[>>+<<[-]]<+>]<-]>>> 09:26:53 print 09:26:53 >>>++++++++++>+<<<<[>>>>>+[->>+>+<[<<+>>-]<<[>+>+<<-]++++++++++>[<->-]<[[-]>>+++ 09:26:57 +++++++>>-<<<<]>>---------->>+]+[-<<[<<+>>-]<<[>+>+<<-]>----------[<+>[+]]<]<-]> 09:27:00 >>>->>>>[>>>>]<<<<[<<++++++[>++++++++<-]>.<<<]++++++++++. 09:27:05 I don't remember what it does, though. 09:27:35 possibly converts a string like "11010" to a number like 26. 09:31:40 probably my very first brainf*ck thing that could be called a program. 09:32:32 Ah. That's clear. 09:41:19 Hm. Designed to accept "02506" as meaning "01101"? 09:42:37 hm, it does? 09:42:55 I thought it did some input validation, but can't be sure. 09:43:53 apparently not. oh well, we had some arguments whether the 'shortest C version' contest entries can assume perfectly valid input. 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Mailing list. https://ischtar.koeln.ccc.de/mailman/listinfo/friends-of-brainfuck 08:25:44 There was a contest. I was the only person who entered it. :) 08:25:56 why have a whole list just about brainfuck? 08:26:11 wow, so much spam 08:26:23 The commented version is at http://www.hevanet.com/cristofd/brainfuck/collatz.b 08:26:36 Right. The list is 4/5 spam at this point. 08:26:44 ugh. 08:27:30 is esolang still around? 08:27:54 The old one? 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UNLIKE THIS CHANNEL. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:18:53 -!- lament has quit ("cocks"). 22:20:01 -!- lament has joined. 22:31:38 -!- fizzie has quit (Remote closed the connection). 22:33:35 -!- fizzie has joined. 22:33:42 whoa. 22:33:49 whoa! 22:34:14 irssi doesn't like it when I paste sfnet (one of the two finnish top-level usenet hierarchies) kookery, apparently. 22:34:28 kookery? 22:35:53 1. kook, odd fellow, odd fish, queer bird, queer duck, odd man out -- (someone regarded as eccentric or crazy and standing out from a group) 22:38:48 I would let you people enjoy this too, but sadly you probably wouldn't understand the language. 2004-04-24: 00:21:38 -!- Taaus has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 00:21:38 -!- mooz- has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 00:21:38 -!- lament has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 00:21:39 -!- mtve has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 00:21:39 -!- cmeme has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 00:22:30 -!- lament has joined. 00:22:30 -!- cmeme has joined. 00:22:30 -!- Taaus has joined. 00:22:30 -!- mtve has joined. 00:22:30 -!- mooz- has joined. 00:22:47 -!- Taaus has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 00:22:48 -!- mooz- has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 00:22:48 -!- lament has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 00:22:48 -!- mtve has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 00:22:48 -!- cmeme has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 00:23:47 -!- lament has joined. 00:23:47 -!- cmeme has joined. 00:23:47 -!- Taaus has joined. 00:23:47 -!- mooz- has joined. 00:23:47 -!- mtve has joined. 00:42:53 -!- lament has quit ("Leaving"). 02:50:49 -!- lament has joined. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 11:53:48 -!- lament has quit ("Leaving"). 20:03:13 -!- Toreu1 has joined. 20:03:21 -!- Toreu1 has left (?). 23:10:58 -!- int-e has joined. 2004-04-25: 00:20:44 -!- lament has joined. 03:33:10 -!- lament has quit ("Leaving"). 03:54:24 -!- int-e has quit ("Client exiting"). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 13:34:49 -!- edwinb has joined. 19:13:36 -!- lament has joined. 21:04:33 -!- heatsink has joined. 21:07:01 * heatsink was thinking about compiling unlambda 21:08:11 I think it's possible, though its creator thinks the d operator makes it impossible 21:11:56 I've got a solution for d, which is to identify all compile-time instances of d and reorder execution appropriately 21:13:09 The only other times 'd' might affect execution order is in an ```sXYZ evaluation, but that's easy enough to check at runtime 21:15:09 There seems to be a lot of brainfuck in the archives 21:39:29 compile-time? shouldn't it appear as a result of evaluation? 21:46:57 mtve: yes, it can 21:48:32 But when d is applied to an already-evaluated expression, it acts no different from i 21:49:12 sorry for get into discussion, i'm far from expert on functional programming :) i even don't understand your compiling concept, compiling to what? 21:49:16 The only time d is applied to an expression that hasn't been evaluated at run-time is when s is being evaluated 21:49:53 mtve: compiling to another programming language, I'm going for scheme because it should be the simplest 21:51:09 The idea is to make functions that have the behavior of the unlambda operators, 21:52:31 Rather than an "interpreter" function that evaluates by reading some unlambda code and performing its behavior 21:53:03 i see. 23:11:23 -!- kosmikus has joined. 23:35:15 -!- heatsink has quit ("Leaving"). 2004-04-26: 00:22:17 -!- kosmikus has changed nick to kosmikus|away. 00:57:53 -!- lament has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 00:57:53 -!- kosmikus|away has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 00:57:53 -!- Taaus has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 00:57:53 -!- mooz- has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 00:57:54 -!- mtve has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 00:57:54 -!- cmeme has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 00:58:39 -!- kosmikus|away has joined. 00:58:39 -!- lament has joined. 00:58:39 -!- cmeme has joined. 00:58:39 -!- Taaus has joined. 00:58:39 -!- mooz- has joined. 00:58:39 -!- mtve has joined. 01:01:01 -!- kosmikus|away has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:01:01 -!- Taaus has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:01:01 -!- lament has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:01:01 -!- mooz- has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:01:01 -!- mtve has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:01:02 -!- cmeme has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:01:17 -!- kosmikus|away has joined. 01:01:17 -!- lament has joined. 01:01:17 -!- cmeme has joined. 01:01:17 -!- Taaus has joined. 01:01:17 -!- mtve has joined. 01:01:17 -!- mooz- has joined. 02:32:17 -!- heatsink has joined. 02:32:38 I have done it! MWA HA HA HA... 02:32:56 I've written a working unlambda to scheme compiler that has no bundled unlambda interpreter 03:21:53 -!- heatsink has quit ("Client Exiting"). 06:37:00 -!- lament has quit ("Leaving"). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 10:50:14 -!- kosmikus|away has changed nick to kosmikus. 11:18:03 -!- ^Jaspr has joined. 11:18:16 -!- ^Jaspr has left (?). 18:27:52 -!- kosmikus has changed nick to kosmikus|away. 19:14:10 -!- lament has joined. 21:09:33 -!- heatsink has joined. 21:35:32 -!- andreou has joined. 21:38:40 lament this channel is alive. we are just playing dead. 21:50:47 do not give in to the silence! keep the channel alive! :) 21:50:56 -!- heatsink has quit ("Leaving"). 21:53:26 er 21:53:29 was that irony or what 21:54:01 a bright flash of light right before the submergence into the darkness of the Hole. 21:57:39 and that's my que. 21:57:40 -!- andreou has quit ("swim."). 21:58:01 cue 22:04:47 -!- kosmikus|away has changed nick to kosmikus. 22:51:00 -!- kosmikus has changed nick to kosmikus|away. 23:39:48 -!- andreou has joined. 23:55:51 -!- heatsink has joined. 2004-04-27: 00:06:14 -!- andreou has quit ("tv makes you dumb."). 00:20:58 -!- heatsink has quit ("Client Exiting"). 01:22:39 -!- andreou has joined. 01:47:56 -!- lament has quit ("Leaving"). 02:00:06 -!- andreou has quit ("joie de vivre."). 02:28:41 -!- andreou has joined. 04:09:09 -!- andreou has quit ("dragonfly."). 04:40:58 -!- lament has joined. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 09:53:50 -!- kosmikus|away has changed nick to kosmikus. 10:34:51 -!- lament has quit ("Leaving"). 16:57:57 -!- kosmikus has changed nick to kosmikus|away. 18:05:18 -!- andreou has joined. 18:23:19 -!- andreou has quit ("shutdown(sockfd, SHUT_RDWR);"). 18:54:04 -!- andreou has joined. 19:14:53 -!- lament has joined. 19:34:13 -!- andreou has set topic: Welcoome to the Pit.. 19:34:16 -!- andreou has set topic: Welcome to the Pit.. 19:34:19 eheh 19:35:45 why 19:35:54 wow, 10 people! 19:36:04 includings the bots, but still pretty good 19:38:03 "mooz is a scary bot", said a person to me. 19:39:09 Everybody in here is a scary bot. 19:39:18 But some are more scary than others. 19:39:47 most seem to be less "bot"-y than is common. 19:40:28 I'm sure we can all pass the Turing test. 19:40:31 Isn't that right, clog? 19:40:37 hey mob 19:40:39 what's up? 19:40:54 lament i have seen real people failing the turing test. 20:16:50 is it because i have seen real people failing the turing test that you came to see me? 20:27:23 -!- Toreun has joined. 20:28:24 :-) 20:28:39 elisa^Wedwinb i want to talk about my wife... 20:29:42 wow... there's activity here 20:30:13 I'm sorry, there isn't any. You are likely hallucinating. 20:30:18 You should see edwinb about that. 20:31:45 oh, ok, thanks for clearing that up 20:40:43 lament, edwinb is the mushroom guy? 21:06:19 -!- andreou has quit ("gongfu."). 21:37:40 -!- andreou has joined. 23:05:18 -!- digitaltrog has joined. 23:08:04 -!- digitaltrog has left (?). 23:40:54 "mushroom guy"??!?! 23:43:06 you have a problem with mushrooms? I'm sure he's a fun guy! 23:43:36 "I used to have a drinking problem. Now I love the stuff!" 23:43:40 indeed 23:49:22 heh 23:49:30 no, i love the shroom spirits. 23:50:14 http://infosecuritymag.techtarget.com/2003/jun/cooltools.shtml 23:50:16 so much hype 2004-04-28: 02:08:06 -!- edwin2 has joined. 02:16:34 -!- edwinb has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 02:21:26 -!- lament has set topic: Welcome to the Pit. Edwinb is the mushroom guy.. 02:44:31 :-) 02:45:56 -!- andreou has set topic: Welcome to the Pit. Edwinb is the mushroom guy. Strange attraction to strange attractors: http://www.doxpara.com/pics/index.php?album=phentropy/ .. 02:46:43 that's... strangely attractive. 02:47:00 * andreou nods 02:49:48 * andreou sneezes 02:51:15 it must be all that mushroom powder... 02:56:01 bre, what's the name for the gcc ada compiler? 02:59:57 do macro preprocessors qualify as "compiled languages"? 03:00:43 ada is not just a macro preprocessor, surely 03:00:47 but, no, they do not. 03:01:02 why not? 03:01:11 hm, or do they? 03:01:22 -!- lament has set topic: Welcome to the Pit. Edwinb is the mushroom guy. Strange attraction to strange attractors: http://www.doxpara.com/pics/index.php?album=phentropy/ . Compilers to the right, hallucinogenics to the left.. 03:01:30 since compilers transform one form of program to another... 03:01:35 heh 03:04:33 * andreou np rush - turn the page 03:07:30 hm the stars indicate that today i'll be going to class. damn. 03:08:11 strange garbage i find in the bag. 03:08:19 if only the stars indicated what classes i have for today... 03:10:44 ah cool, i found my notebook. 03:29:12 heh never expected to say that again, 03:29:15 -!- andreou has quit ("time for class"). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:24:45 -!- dbc has joined. 08:29:52 Hm. 08:34:36 -!- lament has quit ("sleep"). 10:58:29 * edwin2 throws mushrooms at people 10:59:28 -!- edwin2 has changed nick to edwinb. 11:12:59 -!- dbc has quit ("you have no chance to survive make your time."). 13:03:49 -!- kosmikus|away has changed nick to kosmikus. 17:01:32 -!- kosmikus has changed nick to kosmikus|away. 17:54:10 -!- cmeme has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 17:54:25 -!- cmeme has joined. 18:07:36 -!- Toreun has left (?). 18:09:44 -!- Toreun has joined. 19:16:19 -!- heatsink has joined. 19:52:59 Okay, what is phentropy? 20:33:46 -!- kosmikus|away has changed nick to kosmikus. 21:43:40 -!- andreou has joined. 22:00:04 sounds like an illegal drug! 22:00:53 nothing is illegal; and it's a hallucinogen 22:01:05 ok, no slanted characters. can live with that. 22:02:59 besides, the pictures behind the urls even look like they were done by drug-eating commie hippies. 22:03:22 "research images" 22:03:39 fizzie this sentence was full of stereotypes. please retract it, redesign it and rerelease it. 22:04:00 right, uh. how do I retract stuff in irc again? post a cancel? 22:04:14 no, kill the users and delete all their logfiles. 22:04:23 ahh. this might take some time. 22:04:26 wait, i think i just had a short amnesia seizure. 22:04:32 *amnesiac 22:05:27 oh, that's good, one less to worry about killing. am not an expert in these things. 22:06:10 i can help you make it look like a suicide: read the alt.suicide.holiday faq. (it's a really fun read) 22:06:43 I've read the faq, but I don't have the patience to read ash itself, I usually just mark the group read whenever I look at it (and see the 100+ new messages) 22:07:44 the ng itself is useless; "pinging kathy; kathy, are you alive or have you committed suicide by dildoing yourself with a high-voltage powercord?" 22:08:19 I used to idle on dalnet's #alt.suicide.bus-stop or what-was-it-again but it wasn't much fun either. 22:09:28 no, the suicide and depression channels are usually full of people that think they can be helped through irc. 23:51:21 -!- kosmikus has changed nick to kosmikus|away. 23:56:45 -!- heatsink has quit ("Client Exiting"). 2004-04-29: 00:26:02 -!- lament has joined. 01:06:25 -!- lament has quit ("Leaving"). 02:04:48 -!- heatsink has joined. 03:28:21 ugh. bored. 03:28:33 join the club 03:28:40 got any interesting new programming languages? 03:29:13 I have yet to name mine... but I suppose that's interesting. not all that new. 03:30:20 What's it? 03:30:51 I talked about it awhile back here... it's a two dimensional programming language with a stack and a queue 03:30:55 and some source editing features 03:31:01 SMC? 03:31:11 SMC? 03:31:12 self modifying code? 03:31:17 ah, sort of 03:31:40 it's an interesting way of self modifying 03:31:56 well, have any specs and/or compilers/interpreters available? 03:32:11 the source code has "mice" with a location and a direction... they follow the code the way the normal instruction pointer does, and they can edit specific characters 03:32:16 yeah, let me find it on my server 03:32:41 ok 03:34:02 http://www.toreun.org/esolang.txt 03:35:26 and I think www.toreun.org/eso.zip is the latest version of the interpreter 03:35:27 What's a good sample algorithm to implement in an esolang? 03:35:28 which is in PHP 03:35:56 in general, or mine specific? 03:36:02 In general 03:36:08 Besides hello world and echo 03:36:15 Brainfuck interpreter 03:36:24 heatsink an interpreter of the language in the language itself is good enough. usually, fib will do :) . 03:36:46 Fibonacci... yeah, that's an okay one 03:36:56 floating point operations? 03:37:19 Maybe sieve of eratosthenes 03:37:36 printing out purdy ascii triangles? 03:37:54 my head hurts. i go lie down a bit, now. 03:37:58 Toreun: Can you see the mice work? 03:38:04 okay, take it easy andreou 03:38:10 in my debugging method? 03:38:16 yeah 03:45:04 -!- Toreun has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 03:46:38 -!- Toreun has joined. 03:46:45 wb 03:46:52 gaim died 04:53:11 -!- clog has quit (^C). 04:53:11 -!- clog has quit (ended). 04:53:36 -!- clog has joined. 04:53:36 -!- clog has joined. 04:53:42 /\/\ /\/\ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ /\/\ /\/\/\/ 04:53:43 \/\/ \/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ \/\/ \/\/\/\ /\ 04:53:43 /\/\ /\/\ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ /\/\ /\/\/ \/ 04:53:44 \/\/ \/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ \/\/ \/\/\/\/\ 04:53:53 /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ 04:53:54 \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ /\ /\/\/\/\/\ /\ /\/\/\/\/\ /\ /\ 04:53:54 /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ \/ \/\/\/\/\/ \/ \/\/\/\/\/ \/ \/ 04:53:54 \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ /\/\/\/\ /\/\/\/\ 04:54:03 /\/\ /\/\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/ 04:54:03 \/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\ /\ /\ /\/\ /\ /\ /\/\ /\ 04:54:03 /\/\ /\/\/\/\/ \/ \/ \/\/ \/ \/ \/\/ \/ 04:54:03 \/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\ /\/\/\/\ /\/\/\/\ 04:54:11 /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/ 04:54:11 \/\/\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ 04:54:11 /\/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ 04:54:11 \ 04:54:19 /\/\/\/ 04:54:19 \/\/\/\ /\ 04:54:19 /\/\/ \/ 04:54:19 \/\/\/\/\ 04:54:26 /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ 04:54:26 \/\/\/\/\/\/\ 04:54:26 /\/\/\/\/\/ 04:54:26 \/\/\/\/\ 04:54:34 /\/\ /\/ /\/\ 04:54:34 \/\/ \/\ /\ \ / 04:54:34 /\/\ / \/ \/\ 04:54:34 \/\/ \/\/\ /\/ 04:54:43 /\/\/\/ \ 04:54:43 \/\/\/\ /\ /\/ 04:54:43 /\/\/ \/ \/\/\ 04:54:43 \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ 04:54:50 /\/\ /\/\ 04:54:50 \/\/ \/\/ 04:54:50 /\/\ /\/\ 04:54:50 \/\/ \/\/ 04:56:38 No flooding, please 04:57:25 Yeah, sorry. I know it makes it hard for other people to be heard. 04:57:40 dbc hahah you Bastard :-) 04:58:02 05:37:39 printing out purdy ascii triangles? 04:58:07 anyway, back to coffee. 05:21:00 -!- heatsink has quit ("Leaving"). 05:55:48 / 05:55:48 /\ 05:55:48 \/\ 05:55:48 / /\ 05:55:48 \/ /\/ 05:55:49 \/\ \ 05:55:51 \/ \/\ 05:55:53 / / /\ 05:55:59 \/ / /\/ / 05:55:59 \/\ /\ \/\ 05:55:59 \ \/\ \ 05:56:01 /\/ /\ /\ 05:56:03 \/ / \/ /\/ 05:56:05 \/\ \/\ \ 05:56:07 \/ \/ \/\ 05:56:09 / / / /\ 05:56:13 \/ / / /\/ / / 05:56:15 \/\ /\ /\ \/\ /\ 05:56:17 \ \/\ \/\ \ \/\ 05:56:19 /\/ /\ / /\ /\/ /\ 05:56:21 \/ \/ /\/ \/ 05:56:23 \ \/\ \ \ 05:56:25 \/\ \/ \/\ \/\ 05:56:27 / /\/ / /\ / /\ 05:56:29 \/ / / \/ / /\/ / 05:56:31 \/\ /\ \/\ /\ \/\ 05:56:33 \ \/\ \ \/\ \ 05:56:35 /\/ /\ /\/ /\ /\ 05:56:37 \/ / \/ / \/ /\/ 05:56:39 \/\ \/\ \/\ \ 05:56:41 \/ \/ \/ \/\ 05:56:43 / / / / /\ 05:56:45 \/ / / / /\/ / / / 05:56:46 -!- dbc has quit (Excess Flood). 05:57:06 -!- dbc has joined. 05:57:15 \/ / / \/ / / \/ / /\/ / 05:57:17 \/\ /\ \/\ /\ \/\ /\ \/\ 05:57:19 \ \/\ \ \/\ \ \/\ \ 05:57:21 /\/ /\ /\/ /\ /\/ /\ /\ 05:57:23 \/ / \/ / \/ / \/ /\/ 05:57:25 \/\ \/\ \/\ \/\ \ 05:57:27 \/ \/ \/ \/ \/\ 05:57:29 / / / / / /\ 05:58:38 Damn. 05:58:47 Well, let's try again, only more slowly. 05:58:52 so, what's it? 05:59:00 / 05:59:00 /\ 05:59:00 \/\ 05:59:00 / /\ 05:59:09 \/ /\/ 05:59:09 \/\ \ 05:59:09 \/ \/\ 05:59:09 / / /\ 05:59:26 \/ / /\/ / 05:59:26 \/\ /\ \/\ 05:59:26 \ \/\ \ 05:59:26 /\/ /\ /\ 05:59:34 \/ / \/ /\/ 05:59:34 \/\ \/\ \ 05:59:34 \/ \/ \/\ 05:59:34 / / / /\ 05:59:46 \/ / / /\/ / / 05:59:46 \/\ /\ /\ \/\ /\ 05:59:46 \ \/\ \/\ \ \/\ 05:59:46 /\/ /\ / /\ /\/ /\ 05:59:58 \/ \/ /\/ \/ 05:59:58 \ \/\ \ \ 05:59:58 \/\ \/ \/\ \/\ 05:59:58 / /\/ / /\ / /\ 06:00:11 \/ / / \/ / /\/ / 06:00:12 \/\ /\ \/\ /\ \/\ 06:00:12 \ \/\ \ \/\ \ 06:00:12 /\/ /\ /\/ /\ /\ 06:00:27 \/ / \/ / \/ /\/ 06:00:27 \/\ \/\ \/\ \ 06:00:27 \/ \/ \/ \/\ 06:00:27 / / / / /\ 06:00:45 \/ / / / /\/ / / / 06:00:45 \/\ /\ /\ /\ \/\ /\ /\ 06:00:45 \ \/\ \/\ \/\ \ \/\ \/\ 06:00:45 /\/ /\ / /\ / /\ /\/ /\ / /\ 06:01:06 \/ \/ /\/ \/ /\/ \/ \/ /\/ 06:01:06 \ \/\ \ \/\ \ \ \/\ \ 06:01:06 \/\ \/ \/\ \/ \/\ \/\ \/ \/\ 06:01:06 / /\/ / /\ / / /\ / /\/ / /\ 06:01:20 \/ / \/ / /\/ / \/ / 06:01:20 \/\ \/\ /\ \/\ \/\ 06:01:20 \ \ \/\ \ \ 06:01:20 /\ /\/ /\ /\ /\ 06:01:34 \/ /\/ \/ / \/ /\/ \/ /\/ 06:01:35 \/\ \ \/\ \/\ \ \/\ \ 06:01:35 \/ \/\ \/ \/ \/\ \/ \/\ 06:01:35 / / /\/ / / /\ / / /\ 06:01:50 \/ / / / \/ / / /\/ / / 06:01:51 \/\ /\ /\ \/\ /\ /\ \/\ /\ 06:01:51 \ \/\ \/\ \ \/\ \/\ \ \/\ 06:01:51 /\/ /\ / /\ /\/ /\ / /\ /\/ /\ 06:02:04 \/ \/ /\/ \/ \/ /\/ \/ 06:02:05 \ \/\ \ \ \/\ \ \ 06:02:05 \/\ \/ \/\ \/\ \/ \/\ \/\ 06:02:05 / /\/ / /\ / /\/ / /\ / /\ 06:02:18 \/ / / \/ / / \/ / /\/ / 06:02:18 \/\ /\ \/\ /\ \/\ /\ \/\ 06:02:18 \ \/\ \ \/\ \ \/\ \ 06:02:18 /\/ /\ /\/ /\ /\/ /\ /\ 06:02:27 \/ / \/ / \/ / \/ /\/ 06:02:27 \/\ \/\ \/\ \/\ \ 06:02:27 \/ \/ \/ \/ \/\ 06:02:27 / / / / / /\ 06:03:12 I don't know if it has a name. I call it the vicious fish fractal. 06:05:00 it's nice when viewed with an antialiased font 06:05:04 i'm gonna print it out :) 06:05:26 Cool *8)# 06:05:38 did a program produce it, or was it, eh, hand-drawn? 06:05:55 Program. 06:06:27 is it just this one drawing it can produce, or is it just one out of an infinite number of peculiar fish-bone fractals? 06:07:49 It can produce rotated or mirrored versions in various sizes, for a total of...hm...56 versions. 06:08:26 and what do you have to say to our readers? 06:08:27 :-) 06:08:42 dbc post it on misc@ 06:08:47 * andreou 's printing it right now 06:08:52 ah shit. 06:09:17 do me a favour: create a signature (in red) .bmp file and send it over, i want to have it signed by the artist. 06:19:33 -!- ngtr has joined. 06:19:41 -!- ngtr has changed nick to andretwo. 06:19:43 damn. 06:20:45 thanks :) 06:21:01 :) That's the signature I use for dubious artworks :) 06:21:22 now i have to integrate it in the printout 06:21:50 hm where should i position it... top-left on the blank space, or merge it with the fishbone bottom-right? 06:22:21 life's full of difficult choices. 06:22:23 Top-left, or middle-right between the jaws :) 06:23:48 openoffice is very helpful 06:25:30 as the french would say, parfait. 06:35:24 -!- andretwo has quit ("reconnecting."). 06:36:17 / 06:36:18 /\ 06:36:18 \/\ 06:36:18 / /\ 06:36:20 (guppy) 06:36:33 -!- dbc has quit ("you have no chance to survive make your time."). 06:37:57 -!- andretwo has joined. 06:38:25 -!- andreou has quit (Nick collision from services.). 06:38:45 -!- andretwo has changed nick to andreou. 06:38:59 yea, this means war. 06:53:44 * andreou is experiencing the effects of a mild nicotine overdose 07:04:48 -!- lament has joined. 07:21:56 lament check out dbc's fractwork in the logs 07:26:30 i'm not sure if the prettifier kills it or not 07:28:08 it displays quite nicely on ie6 07:28:58 hey, that's cool, today we highscored! http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?S=D 07:31:30 new entrymsg (changed over to cmeme): Welcome to the esoteric programming channel! Logs of previous discussions are available at http://meme.b9.com/clog/esoteric/?M=D 07:32:16 oh, i know the first fractal he pasted 07:33:03 you mean julia? 07:33:08 but i have no idea how to generate it in ascii 07:33:19 that's julia? That's not what I thought 07:33:34 it reminds me of julia, let me check ultrafractal... 07:33:50 It's the Dragon 07:34:34 hm indeed, it looks like half a barnsley 2 (julia) though 07:35:05 the Dragon has a very neat property: four of them at 90-degree angles completely cover an infinite plane without overlaps 07:35:24 i think i can generate an ascii picture of a section of that :) 07:35:28 i think there was a quantum article about it... 07:35:48 xm, no, i'm sure there was one. 07:35:54 /\/\/\ 07:35:58 \/\/\/ 07:36:01 /\/\/\ 07:36:01 \/\/\/ 07:36:13 doesn't look very fractally :( 07:36:43 well it does on non-antialiased displays :) 07:38:27 oh, right :) 07:38:43 that's the spirit! 07:38:57 i wish edwin would distribute some of his hallucinogenic joy 07:43:52 hm, if edwinb is the mushroom guy, who's dbc? 07:44:38 obviously, the guy who ate all the mushrooms. 07:44:51 heh 07:45:56 heh 07:47:45 30m and then i'm released to purgatory. 07:49:31 one isn't normally released _to_ purgatory. 07:50:40 well i guess i slept my way through prepositions :) 07:51:36 hm, wait... 07:51:43 i learnt english through irc 07:51:50 so, blame undernet :) 07:55:14 I always do. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:03:20 12m... 08:18:14 to the bed! 08:18:19 -!- andreou has quit ("hunting down computrons"). 08:51:59 -!- kosmikus|away has changed nick to kosmikus. 09:46:24 -!- lament has quit ("Leaving"). 13:40:26 -!- kosmikus has changed nick to kosmikus|away. 18:30:13 -!- andreou has joined. 18:30:38 * edwinb throws mushrooms at andreou 18:30:56 * andreou receives the god-sent gifts with an open moouth 18:31:22 I don't even like mushrooms... 18:31:39 have you tasted them? 18:31:51 not these ones, no... 18:33:52 you're missing the joys of godhood. 18:38:15 you didn't see where I got them from... 18:38:42 matters not 18:41:31 i'm off to do some work 18:41:36 -!- andreou has quit ("rotbit"). 19:33:21 -!- andreou has joined. 19:38:03 hola ppl 20:03:20 -!- andreou has set topic: Welcome to the Pit, talk to edwinb to get some free mushroom samples. -- http://www.doxpara.com/pics/index.php?album=phentropy/ -- http://www.electricsheep.org/. 20:04:05 -!- andreou has set topic: Welcome to the Pit, talk to edwinb to get some free mushroom samples. -- http://electricsheep.org/. 21:23:42 -!- andreou has quit ("20."). 23:43:31 -!- andreou has joined. 23:52:43 -!- andreou has quit ("sheath"). 2004-04-30: 01:13:50 -!- andreou has joined. 01:36:35 -!- andreou has quit ("palace."). 02:34:26 -!- andreou has joined. 02:49:59 -!- andreou has changed nick to andreou_. 02:50:19 -!- andreou_ has changed nick to andreou. 03:33:08 -!- dbc has joined. 03:33:27 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 03:33:27 000 00000 00000 00000 000 03:33:27 00 0 000 0 000 0 000 0 00 03:33:27 00 000 0000 0000 000 00 03:33:27 000 0 0 0000 0000 0 0 000 03:33:29 00 00000 000000000 00000 00 03:33:39 00 000 00 0 0 0000000 0 0 00 000 00 03:33:39 000000000 0 0000000 0 000000000 03:33:39 00 0000 0 0 0 000 000 0 0 0 0000 00 03:33:39 00 0000 00000 00 00 00000 0000 00 03:33:39 000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 000 03:33:41 00 00000 0 0 0 0 00000 00 03:33:50 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 00 03:33:50 00 000 000000000 000000000 000 00 03:33:50 000 0 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 0 000 03:33:50 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 03:33:51 000 0 00 00 0 0 00 00 0 000 03:33:53 00 000 00000 0 00000 000 00 03:34:06 00 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 00 03:34:06 00 00000 0 0 0 0 00000 00 03:34:06 000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 000 03:34:06 00 000 000000000 000 00 03:34:06 00 0 00 0 0 00 0 00 03:34:07 000 000 0 0 000 000 03:34:09 00 00 0 0 00 00 03:34:18 0 0 03:34:19 0 0 03:34:19 0 0 03:34:19 0 0 03:34:21 000000000 03:34:27 There's a nice mushroom. 03:34:45 not if I can't eat it :) 03:34:51 * andreou licks the screen 04:03:01 the hallucinations just stopped. 04:03:04 please paste another one! 04:59:45 -!- lament has joined. 05:06:00 -!- heatsink has joined. 05:54:30 so long, evil lurkers. 05:54:31 -!- andreou has quit ("q?"). 07:07:08 -!- heatsink has quit (Operation timed out). 07:08:04 -!- heatsink has joined. 07:25:40 -!- andreou has joined. 07:32:26 wb 07:32:50 heatsink: compiled unlambda to c yet? :) 07:32:59 bedankt 07:33:16 Yup 07:33:22 hello, world. just got back from a shower and i'm a bit sleepy and smooth. peaceful and tranquil... 07:33:36 andreou: BOO! 07:33:44 * heatsink feels andreou 07:33:48 heatsink: via scheme or for real? 07:33:51 ah, youa re smooth 07:33:54 lament :-) try harder, i'm *really* tranquil. 07:34:01 heatsink yeah go down on me. 07:34:03 * lament steals andreou's coffee 07:34:03 em 07:34:05 lament: via scheme 07:34:07 sorry, wrong window. 07:34:09 now you shall be tranquil forever! 07:34:20 MWAHAHAHA 07:34:24 lament i don't drink coffee. yeah, i know, that's weird, but i don't. 07:34:32 what are you, a freak? 07:34:43 no. don't you know? RHDNC. 07:34:43 Do you drink tea? 07:34:55 yes, earl grey, lipton and a green chinese brand. 07:35:06 Teabags? 07:35:10 but rarely, only when i'm smoking 07:35:16 yeah, mostly. 07:35:17 Google gives one hit for rhdnc 07:35:17 Of course, scheme can be compiled to assembly, but it's already been done 07:35:26 I haven't had coffee in a long time either 07:35:34 heatsink: The compiler itself is Scheme too? 07:35:35 Earl Grey, Rooibos, and Jasmine 07:35:38 lament: yes 07:35:47 Are you going to publish it? 07:35:58 I can put it on the web if you'd like 07:36:15 lament "real hackers don't need coffee" heh 07:36:25 It's quite small 07:36:30 it's the first ever, isn't it 07:36:43 I believe so 07:36:44 andreou: yeah, they produce their own caffeine 07:37:06 * andreou is spreading new legends 07:37:17 heatsink: i think it's rather neat that it can be done at all :) 07:37:33 Well, thanks 07:37:34 Oh, and tea in teabags is the devil. It's even worse than instant coffee. 07:37:40 Have you played with unlambda much? 07:37:52 It's basically wood shavings, painted brown, with added artificial flavours. 07:38:04 lament i am a sinister creation, what can i say... 07:38:09 heatsink: no, not really 07:38:12 Why would anyone need to paint wood shavings brown? 07:38:20 Dark brown. 07:38:28 i don't like brownies. 07:38:40 The funny thing about unlambda is that it's more fun to write an implementation of unlambda than it is to write a program :) 07:38:46 hm let's give titles to the lurkers of this channel. 07:38:46 I don't think I ever wrote a single non-trivial program in unlambda 07:38:49 <-- resident surrealist 07:39:03 edwinb - mushroom guy 07:39:09 that's a classic :) 07:39:27 Taaus -- power to the people 07:40:04 clog -- talent misplaced 07:40:04 lament care to self-characterize? 07:40:16 hm 07:40:24 cmeme -- sinister meme infection device 07:40:32 s/infection/distribution/ 07:40:49 <-- in it for the girls 07:40:53 dbc -- cute-fishbone-fractal guy 07:40:56 lament hehe 07:41:05 no, dbc is just the fractal guy 07:41:06 the cute goes to the fishbone fractals, ok? :) 07:41:09 ok 07:41:11 Um... the majority of girls in this profession are computer-generated 07:41:20 fizzie -- beffungoid 07:41:34 heatsink: that's what makes them so appealing 07:41:36 heatsink suits me fine, 07:41:55 I suit you fine? aw, how sweet ^_^ 07:42:11 hm this channel does not have a homepage. 07:42:12 heatsink: he can't forget you feeling him earlier 07:42:12 yet. 07:42:16 well 07:42:20 i'll hack together one when i wake up :-) 07:42:21 this channel has a whole mailing list 07:42:33 lament no, the mailing list has this channel. eh, right? 07:42:41 well, right 07:42:56 A homepage with a wiki would be damn nice. 07:43:07 It could serve as a repository for esoteric stuff as well 07:43:09 wiki? hm, i'll see to it, although i've never administered a wiki before. 07:43:20 * andreou hates web-based communities 07:43:22 what with catseye dead 07:43:25 they should all be sent to dis 07:43:28 it's dead? 07:43:29 damn. 07:43:34 ok. 07:43:47 it's been dead for years 07:43:52 and there's that other place (tm) 07:43:57 anyone good with webdesign? i can provide the space and scripts, but i really can't put two and two bits together when it comes to gfx :) 07:44:13 which uses "stupid" instead of "esoteric" 07:44:17 i thought it was just forgotten (by me); i remember it going down for "just a while"... 07:44:19 and "brainfork" instead of "brainfuck" 07:44:20 ah yeah 07:44:29 ... i never saw it came back up... 07:44:31 * andreou claps 07:44:36 * andreou weeps 07:44:49 alas, it's gone 07:44:57 we shall move on. 07:45:12 the esoteric community isn't just small, it's horribly fractured. 07:45:16 Mostly into chunks of one person each 07:45:28 hm this fractal i have on the background... it's weird... it has angels, a huge demon-like pig trying to eat me, many horns and strange colors... 07:45:37 I saw this great mention of brainfuck in one of the class lecture notes 07:45:41 Are the angels trying to eat you? 07:45:56 heatsink a reference similar to the 'f - not funny' in that intercal paper? 07:46:04 lament no, they're going for the pig. 07:46:06 no 07:46:13 xm and some ghosts as well... 07:46:17 It was a parenthetical comment about the language 07:46:21 i liked the f-reference 07:46:27 heatsink what did it say? 07:46:46 In the kids' programming channels (#c, #python), esoteric languages do get mentioned from time to time 07:46:48 you guys find the worse times to unlurk... 07:46:49 mostly brainfuck 07:47:05 brainfuckoffkiddo 07:47:16 I think it was something like, the text listed programming languages (C, Scheme, Haskell, Brainfudge[1]) 07:47:21 And in the footnote it said 07:47:22 in on minute, my misery will be over. 07:47:38 [1] Don't use that language, kids! 07:47:41 andreou: don't do it! the world needs you! 07:47:42 no. 07:47:48 [1] Out of reach of children. 07:48:11 lament ay) i don't need the world; i need sleep bee) the only person in the world that needs me is heatsink and his fingers. 07:48:16 by the way, do we have any women in here? 07:48:36 cmeme. But she's already married to clog 07:48:51 i'm all for polyamorous relationships. 07:49:01 Well, brainfork is not actually known to be turing-complete; besides which brainfooey is not something any sane programmer would want to program in. For more info on brainfufu, look at the website (...). Of course, it's not actually called Brainflock, but we don't want to mention bad words and all that shit. 07:49:02 hm, and she's french, right? she'll have that cute fwench acc'ent... 07:49:14 But would hcf be? 07:49:27 matters not. 07:49:32 heatsink 'not turing complete'? 07:49:39 it's a freaking turing *machine* fgs. 07:49:54 Larry Wall mentioned Brainfuck in one of his lectures on parrot. 07:49:57 for FUFU's sake! 07:50:07 There was a long list of languages on the slide, and the last was "Brainfuck" 07:50:08 lament they have a bf interpreter in parrot, check parrotcode.org. 07:50:11 and he was reading the list alound 07:50:14 aloud 07:50:22 and when he got to the end he said 07:50:24 "we're famous, we're famous!" 07:50:35 oh, and brain, eh, fork. 07:50:45 "And I can't quite make out that last one... And even if I could, i wouldn't say it. Because there're kids present, and I wouldn't want to fuck with their brains" 07:50:59 Larry Wall might be evil, but he's great :) 07:51:10 HAHAHAHA 07:51:19 evil people are nice. 07:51:21 (: 07:51:38 :) (:never forget to close a comment, kiddo!:) 07:51:54 hm, is there a smiley programming language? 07:52:04 (that would be my addition to pascal, (: ... :)-style comments) 07:52:20 Just what Pascal needs. ANOTHER type of comments. 07:52:23 lament with just :) or with :-) :-* #8-)# etc? 07:52:31 andreou: I guess the latter 07:52:36 You make pascal a happier language 07:52:39 lament three is the charm or however they say that in american. 07:52:54 heatsink: pascal is already ecstatic 07:53:00 heatsink yeah, and pascal programmers really *need* as many smiley faces in their lives as they can have 07:53:34 ok, there goes nothing. 07:53:37 i'm off to sleep. 07:53:38 -!- andreou has quit ("a."). 07:53:59 right-o 07:54:27 I still need to work on that esolang that's made entirely of nested parentheses, brackets, and braces sometime 07:54:30 -!- andreou has joined. 07:54:33 hahaha gotcha! 07:54:35 -!- andreou has quit (Client Quit). 07:55:02 heatsink: isn't there one already? 07:55:09 Oh... darn 07:55:33 i think it was called [] 07:55:46 What, they didn't want search engines linking it? 07:55:55 and invented to be used at the subjects of esolang postings 07:56:00 s/at/in 07:56:41 well 07:56:54 if people can name their language "C" and get away with it, why not "[]"? 07:57:59 sure 07:58:13 I don't think there's an esolang that has a non-ascii name still 07:59:09 hmmmmmmmmmmmm 07:59:19 Well, I liked my other idea better anyway 07:59:20 i can think of a few good non-ascii names 07:59:33 Can you tell me? 07:59:38 'lambda' is a good one 07:59:46 and so is 'wu' (the chinese character) 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:00:05 what does wu mean? 08:00:18 it's more commonly known by its japanese pronunciation, mu 08:00:52 ok 08:01:15 'pi' - perhaps for a language with a transcendental data type? 08:01:41 a C7 chord would be a nice name for a language 08:02:29 What's a C7 chord? 08:02:47 well, a chord based on C and consisting of C, E, G and Bb 08:02:55 but really, any chord based on C would be fun 08:03:01 "Screw C#! That's just one note!" 08:03:07 heh 08:03:27 good name for a threads-only language 08:06:22 Hmm, C - Bb isn't harmonic 08:06:44 I'm looking at the ones almost an octave apart 08:07:07 "harmonic"? 08:07:14 what do you mean by that? 08:07:47 A cute name for a language would be the symbol of the Zodiac sign that happens to be in effect at the time the language is talked about 08:08:15 by harmonic I mean the ratio of the notes is very close to a rational fraction with small integer numerator and denominator 08:08:46 Nah, that language would be a pain because people would always be getting its name wrong 08:08:47 well 08:09:03 You go through all the trouble of scripting your website to always display the correct name 08:09:17 And then people make static copies of it and leave it around for months 08:09:23 first of all, with modern tunic the ratio of notes a third apart is nothing at all like a nice rational fraction 08:09:28 s/tunic/tuning :) 08:09:41 Yes, that's why I say close to and not exactly 08:09:45 And nobody seems to mind very much 08:10:14 For example, a third is very close to 5/4 08:10:15 Second, while the ratio of C to Bb might not be nice, Bb is a very close overtone of C anyway 08:10:29 er, it's not 08:10:32 nevermind 08:10:53 I'm getting 5.0396/4 08:10:54 Finally though, nobody really cares if it's close or not 08:11:13 what matters is how it sounds. 08:11:22 It sounds discordant if they aren't harmonic 08:11:27 No, that's wrong. 08:11:41 Do minor chords sound discordant? 08:11:51 Diminished chords do 08:12:04 What about minor ones? Is a minor third harmonic? 08:12:13 Music's brain effects are rather interesting; the brain tends to interpret chords and sequences of notes as a single sound 08:12:15 let me see 08:12:40 Yes, that's annoying 08:12:40 It looks like a minor third has a ratio of 5.946/5 08:12:46 But when you're high on weed, that doesn't happen :) 08:12:57 or at least doesn't happen as often 08:13:09 This is why everybody should smoke weed when listening to music. 08:13:29 But then music would no longer aid in studying 08:13:36 And they would ban music at universities 08:13:47 I couldn't handle that 08:14:12 wow, you're right. A minor third is ideally 6:5 08:14:24 anyway 08:15:06 yes? 08:15:25 whether an interval sounds nice depends mostly on the speaker 08:15:33 on the culture of the speaker 08:15:43 Not the listener? 08:15:49 sorry. The listener. :) 08:15:57 (::) 08:16:08 It's true that intervals based on simple ratios sound "more euphonic" by nature. 08:16:39 In the middle ages, there were exactly two really euphonic intervals. 08:16:44 The fifth and the octave. 08:16:52 Even the major third was considered dissonant. 08:17:18 To accept the major third as consonant was a major breakthrough 08:17:32 that happened in the renaissance 08:17:57 Interesting 08:18:15 Now, thanks to things like jazz and modern classical, pretty much anything is consonant, when given proper context 08:18:54 7th chords were good enough for Bach, although he wouldn't end a piece on one. 08:19:18 Anything can be part of a piece, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it consonance 08:19:50 I would say that there is less emphasis on consonance in contemporary music than in classical european music 08:20:06 Does all jazz sound dissonant to you? 08:20:11 No 08:20:40 See. 08:21:08 Pretty much all of jazz uses 7th chords (at the very least), whether major or minor 08:21:16 from C to Bb, by the way, is 16:9 08:21:54 oh, okay 08:22:21 I made a mistake -- I was doing C to B 08:22:34 and that's 15:8, apparently 08:22:50 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominant_seventh 08:22:53 Although I would have missed C to Bb because I was using 60 as the denominator 08:24:16 Hmm, the dom 7th is closer to 17:9, but I'm sure the shared harmonics aren't audible in that case 08:24:29 what 08:24:39 it shouldn't be closer to 17:9 08:24:55 it should be 16:9 because that's what wikipedia says... 08:24:55 C and B are 11 half-notes apart, right? 08:25:18 C and B isn't a dominant seventh. And that's 15:8 08:25:30 C and Bb is a dominant seventh. 08:25:36 oh 08:26:04 it would be a dominant to F-major 08:26:15 and Bb is a note in the F major scale 08:26:27 unlike the C major scale, where it stands out 08:27:38 wow, this is really weird: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepard_tone 08:28:09 Oh, I see 08:28:14 interesting 08:30:16 The picture is a big help to understanding that, I didn't know how it worked before 08:30:27 I've heard it mentioned 08:30:42 This is a nice bit of music: "Glass Onion" at http://www-math.cudenver.edu/~jstarret/listenmp3.html 08:30:48 It's in 22 tet 08:31:27 Not Found 08:31:43 hmm 08:33:36 can't find an alternate source 08:34:23 holy shit 08:34:38 this shepard tone demonstration is scaring me 08:34:50 you can hear it? 08:34:58 http://www.noah.org/science/audio_paradox/endless.mp3 08:35:19 listen to it once, then again 08:37:11 cool 08:37:20 It doesn't quite work for me though 08:37:26 May be because these speakers suck 08:37:51 this might depend on the person 08:37:57 the other examples did'nt work for me at all 10:25:39 -!- clog has joined. 10:25:39 -!- clog has joined. 12:35:25 -!- dbc1 has joined. 12:35:29 -!- dbc has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 13:02:23 -!- dbc1 has quit ("you have no chance to survive make your time."). 13:22:46 -!- mooz- has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:23:01 -!- mooz- has joined. 13:23:50 -!- mooz- has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:24:32 -!- mooz- has joined. 13:28:55 -!- mooz- has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:29:16 -!- mooz- has joined. 18:10:35 -!- andreou has joined. 18:27:01 hm... 18:27:35 given the nature of the website, the mental stability of its creator and the overhead of php/*sql installation in openbsd, i will write the software in some obscure language/db combo. 20:30:59 -!- andreou has quit ("cc."). 21:18:11 -!- andreou has joined. 21:25:31 -!- toreun-away has changed nick to toreun. 21:26:01 hi there 21:26:23 hey 21:27:46 yay for internet cafes that also serve fudge 21:28:05 what is fudge? fud about gigabit ethernet? 21:28:18 un-yay for the noisy people that have decided to have a party just under my window. 21:28:49 not quite, but that sounds even more better 21:29:00 madness: 21:29:00 checking if building in the top-level or dist directories... yes 21:29:00 configure: error: Berkeley DB should not be built in the top-level or dist directories. 21:31:43 iirc gcc wants to be built in a separate directory from the sources too. 21:32:06 ah, should not 21:32:11 i read "should be" 21:32:36 cd docs && ../dist/configure worked 21:32:39 i'm not well :-) 21:33:21 can anyone comment on the performance of c/gdbm apps? 21:34:59 oh, btw, andreou, you are interested in making an #esoteric webpage? 21:35:12 yeah 21:35:29 and lament told me that cat's eye is definately down, so i'll try to make it a bit more generic 21:35:42 yeah... been down for quite awhile 21:35:54 happen to know why? 21:35:55 heh i was "out" for quite a while as well :-) 21:36:03 bah, dunno... 21:37:39 thank eris for oswd.org; now i can steal designs and have a clear consciousness 21:38:46 I like making my own desigsn 21:38:59 I'm not very good at it, but I like doing it all the same 21:39:29 i hate web-designing; i can't hack together something more than a minimalistic spit 21:39:38 (like my homepage, for example :-) ) 21:40:27 my html is always just the logical structure of the document with and

tags, no fancy things like "layout" or stuff. 21:40:55 my site's current under-construction design is, IMO, not that bad - it just isn't compatible with browsers that aren't completely standard 21:41:13 well, I split up layout and design, so my html is like that too 21:41:16 that's exactly what i'm talking about... and it's not good enough for an esolang site 21:41:19 hm, or is it... :) 21:41:32 I get the feeling mplayer _has_ to cheat somehow, there's no way it can do all the things I tell it to. 21:42:02 I'm decompressing a 768x576-sized 25fps mpeg2 file (recorded some pal-rated tv), running a horizontal deblocking, vertical deblocking, deringing, linear-blend-deinterlacing and temporal noise reduction filters on the image, then bicubic-resampling the image to 640x480 and compressing it to a 1000kbps mpeg4, while simultaneously mp3-encoding the pcm audio in the video. 21:42:20 and then it says it can do this for 22 frames in a second. 21:43:00 * andreou is sorry for fizzie 21:43:33 the analog tv picture quality here is quite horrible though. 21:48:07 ok time to put together some code and create a sucky engine. 21:48:09 -!- andreou has quit ("s.").