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01:31:17 <andreou> i've been working on the site. turns out that i can create some mean layouts :)
01:32:02 <andreou> http://meme.b9.com/clog/esoteric/04.04.30
01:32:07 <andreou> http://meme.b9.com/clog/esoteric/04.05.01
01:32:14 <andreou> when i /quit, time stops :-)
01:38:46 <andreou> xm, the wiki is still to be coded.
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01:44:20 <fizzie> waah, did the time stop again?
01:44:48 <fizzie> phew, I can still irc.
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02:16:32 <andreou> hehe hey, mad html skills!
02:16:45 <andreou> eh, psychotic, to be exact.
02:17:05 -!- andreou has set topic: http://bitrot.ee.teiath.gr/esoteric/ please provide feedback. the wiki will be ready Really Soon Now..
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03:49:55 <andreou> hm need perl help, anyone alive?
03:58:09 <heatsink> Here's some help: use python instead :)
03:58:21 <andreou> hm i would, but i didn't have it on the local unix box :)
03:58:36 <andreou> '<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
03:58:52 <andreou> and i try to print it with print $html_header;
03:59:01 <andreou> and the only thing i get is SCALAR(0x211d90)
03:59:16 <andreou> it prints the internal representation or whatever, and not the actual text.
04:00:55 <heatsink> Same thing doesn't happen for me
04:02:08 <andreou> i'm not sure that this is really what's different.
04:02:43 <heatsink> I noticed that when I print \$html_header then I get what you get
04:02:54 <heatsink> What happens if you print $$html_header?
04:04:18 <heatsink> Maybe it was that extra backslash? :)
04:05:35 <andreou> corrolary: perl is illogical.
04:06:32 <heatsink> Is there a name for the type symbols that go in front of Perl variables?
04:06:52 <heatsink> Hungarian punctuation or something?
04:07:06 <andreou> you mean like $sSomeScalar?
04:07:20 <andreou> yes, i think it's hungarian naming
04:07:28 <andreou> did you check out the site?
04:09:01 <andreou> the wikied code is what you'll hate :-)
04:10:26 <andreou> it's wiki-ed -> wikied (pronounced "wicked")
04:10:30 <andreou> you know, wicked languages
04:11:21 * heatsink doesn't turn 'wikied' into the same sound
04:11:44 <heatsink> Also, you need a space between the b and the d
04:12:02 <andreou> i know, it wraps around though, so i bugged it :)
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07:41:36 <andreou> damned language, that perl.
07:42:04 <andreou> i'm rewriting wikied in, and it proceeds rapidly.
07:42:38 <andreou> i'm uploading the new layout of esoteric now, it's better than the previous (i hope)
07:42:41 <heatsink> That sounds marvelous, but I suspect it's moreso because of a grammatical error
07:42:58 <heatsink> You're rewriting wikied in, and it proceeds rapidly?
07:43:00 <andreou> are you calling my grammar a liar? :)
07:43:43 <andreou> plus, if i statically link the executable i won't have to un-chroot apache
07:43:52 * heatsink has been experimenting with lil' computer-generated 2d abstract image algorithms
07:44:26 <heatsink> I gotta tune the algorithm methinks
07:44:31 <andreou> blobs can be interesting, with the help of edwin.
07:45:05 <heatsink> There are free wiki sources too, if you wanted to do that
07:45:24 <heatsink> even just have them for reference
07:45:27 <andreou> i know, but i thought i'd like a little adventure.
07:45:53 <andreou> heatsink where are you from?
07:46:18 <andreou> i have to darken the 'contents' td background...
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07:47:03 <heatsink> contents links need a little contrast
07:47:05 <andreou> fizzie oh, i just forgot to turn off the multiverse rtc, that's why you could irc (i'm a poet...)
07:49:09 <heatsink> Ah, now I'm starting to get interesting stuff
07:49:18 <heatsink> Now that I've detected a misplaced parenthesis :)
07:49:46 <andreou> the wiki is being worked on
07:52:08 <andreou> yeah, i use a laptop as my workstation
07:58:10 <lament> why do laptops suck for webdev? They run vim as good as any other computer.
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08:02:44 <heatsink> ah, something a little interesting, now
08:03:14 * heatsink uses his ol' website that's getting cluttered for a quick demo
08:03:20 <heatsink> http://www.geocities.com/noktakanto/cgimg.html
08:05:49 <andreou> Connected to openbsd.sunsite.ualberta.ca.
08:05:49 <andreou> 421 There are too many connected users, please try later.
08:05:53 <heatsink> I didn't think I'd come up with an algorithm in 4 hours
08:05:57 <andreou> i should have done it nine hours ago.
08:06:15 <heatsink> what are all these canadians doing? They shoudl be asleep!
08:06:37 <andreou> they are giving us somebody to blaim.
08:07:09 <andreou> in any case, duth is available if you want the latest obsd.
08:07:18 <andreou> ftp://ftp.duth.gr/pub/OpenBSD/3.5/
08:08:38 <heatsink> Figuring out an algorithm for making hyperdispersed random dots is hard
08:09:23 <heatsink> Also, "hyperdispersed" is a word that doesn't seem to be used outside of ecology. We should fix that.
08:36:07 -!- andreou has set topic: http://bitrot.ee.teiath.gr/esoteric/ please provide feedback. the wiki will be ready Really Soon Now. -- language of the week: http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/ook.html write something in/for ook..
08:38:52 <heatsink> the orange-on-white text is still hard to read...
08:40:02 <andreou> it's easilly readable on my screen... anyway, i'll try to find a descent shade of orange
08:40:37 <heatsink> It might be because my screen is over 1200 px wide or something...
08:42:02 <andreou> how many inches? (is your monitor)
08:43:56 <andreou> maybe i should increase the font size to 11 or 12...
08:44:16 <andreou> hm, wait, it's... P { font-family: arial,verdana; font-size: 12px; color: 000000; }
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08:48:02 <lament> why does it have to be ook? :(
08:48:23 <heatsink> ook is a dutch word, isn't it?
08:48:50 <andreou> lament one language per week :)
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08:51:14 <lament> I don't count Ook to be an esoteric language at all
08:51:27 <andreou> it's brainfuck with a few candy
08:52:15 <lament> Any language isomorphic with an already existing language is dumb
08:52:31 <lament> Also, brainfuck has better syntax.
08:52:51 <lament> Brainfuck's syntax isn't obfuscated
08:53:01 <lament> Syntax should never be obfuscated
08:53:14 <lament> Algorithms and primitives should be obfuscated :)
08:53:14 <andreou> indeed, the obfuscation lies at a more important level
08:53:31 <lament> But in ook, only syntax is needlessly obfuscated relative to Brainfuck
08:56:19 <andreou> i go lie down and read the dis docs now.
08:56:28 <andreou> eh what on earth forced me to download miktex...
08:57:12 <lament> i doubt anybody ever looked at dis in detail
09:14:23 <lament> Because if they did, they'd look like cowards.
09:19:56 <lament> your mother is ashamed of you!
09:20:34 <andreou> well, that's true, but only because i code.
09:29:38 <fizzie> dis was for people who thing malbolge's to hard-core?
09:30:05 <lament> exactly. Dis is "Malbolge lite(tm)"
09:30:16 <andreou> and malbolge is malbolge proper.
09:54:00 * andreou looks for his two typewriters
10:07:49 <andreou> found the greek, didn't find the latin. of course, i was looking for the latin...
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