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< 1083805854 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi heatsink
< 1083805995 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Toreun
< 1083806020 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I discovered a perl obfuscator that was installed on my computer today!
< 1083806065 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You give it an input filename and output filename,
< 1083806075 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it reads the input file and writes obfuscated perl to the output file
< 1083806111 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, sounds... useless
< 1083806113 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called "cat"
< 1083806119 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL
< 1083806124 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1083806147 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to try that in #perl...
< 1083806217 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never know with those perl programmers
< 1083806410 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check out the new design I made: http://www.toreun.org/esoteric
< 1083806423 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be customizable, I'm just making a few samples
< 1083806445 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one works better in IE... not sure about Konqueror, my KDE box is currently dead, so I can't test it
< 1083806542 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Style 2 looks like andreou's
< 1083806572 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is... well, my css'd version
< 1083806589 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :style 1 doesn't look right
< 1083806622 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should look like... *screenshot* h/o
< 1083806698 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you send that to something@burr.something?
< 1083806710 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I won't get thta
< 1083806727 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no... I'm gonna put it on my server
< 1083806731 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1083806785 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, are negative margins allowed?
< 1083806795 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1083806844 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.toreun.org/esoteric/style1.png
< 1083806929 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The formatting of the boxes is strange
< 1083806967 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The
boxes are constant width and appear in front of the text
< 1083807044 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... weird
< 1083807101 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't see the text?
< 1083807117 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see everything except for the last character
< 1083807134 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The boxes are narrow
< 1083807230 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I suppose I could make the boxes a fixed width, but that could be bad when the links are long
< 1083807243 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm playing with the stylesheet now
< 1083807246 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1083807272 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to make a third one anyway... a very simple one
< 1083807346 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In #main p:first-line, add border: none
< 1083807360 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, it inherits the dashed border from #main p
< 1083807373 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there are confusing extra dashes in the document
< 1083807385 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1083807444 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is annoying -- when you turn that off, the dashed border on the left side of the first line disappears
< 1083807458 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should be a bug report
< 1083807465 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do border-top and border-bottom none
< 1083807489 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's that?
< 1083807507 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks okay
< 1083807563 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1083807778 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, li display:inline seems to be messing things up, although when it's not inline it inserts newlines between the list elements
< 1083807799 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm...
< 1083807847 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's that look... it might be more compatible, but I'm not sure I like the floating left
< 1083807872 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually... let me try something
< 1083807890 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks the same
< 1083807900 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still see the first-line boxes, also
< 1083807924 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok... that didn't work
< 1083807952 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should be left aligned rather than center now
< 1083807962 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used float: left
< 1083808047 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first line boxes? where's the border??
< 1083808083 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In style1.css, I don't see any border-top: or border-bottom:
< 1083808090 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe something is caching the webpage
< 1083808107 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... try shift-refresh, I think
< 1083808115 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that does a hard refresh
< 1083808115 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yes
< 1083808123 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks okay now
< 1083808137 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's the left align look?
< 1083808141 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than it being in the middle?
< 1083808143 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the is left-aligned
< 1083808159 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It definitely would look nicer if you could put that in the middle
< 1083808165 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1083808172 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but without using display: inline I'm not sure I can
< 1083808178 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you said that's giving you problems
< 1083808224 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know is deprecated, but it seems to be the only portable way to accomplish some things
< 1083808243 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION winces
< 1083808265 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with that is the multiple stylesheets...
< 1083808273 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is my whole philosophy of webdesign
< 1083808275 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1083808302 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory it should look fine, because Mozilla seems to always display things correctly
< 1083808316 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only... what, 10% of the population uses it?
< 1083808318 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at most
< 1083808342 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, something like that
< 1083808355 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie gets the lions share
< 1083808480 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1083808521 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1083808847 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b
< 1083808855 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb
< 1083808867 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't seem to figure out how to center it...
< 1083808935 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm gonna leave it as display: inline and make a *much* less intensive stylesheet
< 1083808941 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1083808984 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a programmer, I have to say that CSS is too restrictive
< 1083808997 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I've noticed that too
< 1083809021 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to be able to have successive lines of text spaced by successive prime-number distances
< 1083809033 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's way too hard to center everything! you have to use roundabout methods that were originally unexpected
< 1083809048 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would need a turing complete markup, wouldn't it?
< 1083809052 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so :)
< 1083809085 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been able to center a in all of IE, Netscape, and Konqueror without using the
tag
< 1083809121 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's something in the CSS specification about text-align: center only applying to inline elements
< 1083809150 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only it wasn't so difficult to get something standard in webdesign... maybe there would be a turing complete design language
< 1083809181 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine all the webpage-bombs though
< 1083809201 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true
< 1083809235 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100.000 bottles of beer on the wall...
< 1083809288 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... would there be a way to prevent dynamic text insertion?
< 1083809356 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wouldn't be very turing-complete
< 1083809377 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... not necessarily... dynamic images?
< 1083809406 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think Microsoft is trying to use .NET to add programmability to webpages, like Sun tried with Java
< 1083809438 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... not very good
< 1083809456 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1083809728 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.NET is getting awfully bloated, IMO
< 1083810327 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
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< 1083810407 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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