< 1085446090 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1085448556 0 :Toreun!~Toreun@ool-45738c44.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1085459685 0 :freakabcd!~freakabcd@202.6.75.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1085459689 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey lament < 1085459698 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi all.. < 1085459706 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi freakabcd < 1085459770 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freakabcd: Welcome to the Evil Channel Of Idle < 1085459787 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so people don;t talk here? < 1085459796 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Not the Idle Channel of Evil? < 1085459800 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just sit idle? < 1085459804 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toreun: sorry! < 1085459817 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freakabcd: If you talk, you get banned < 1085459824 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we have ever discussed intercal here < 1085459831 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it certainly would be on-topic < 1085459834 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so what happens here in the idle channel of evil other than getting banned? < 1085459836 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on occasion we get a few people having conversations, but they quickly learn their lesson < 1085459845 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toreun: Repeatedly. < 1085459856 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just keep on learning. < 1085459881 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so people can do mind-reading in this channel! i'm in the right place :) < 1085459909 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just being in this channel is enough. What else is there to say? < 1085459922 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freakabcd: don't confuse programming brainfuck for mind-reading < 1085459989 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah.. yes. i confuse the verbs brainf*ck and mind-read :) < 1085460019 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sometimes you have to be a mindreader to understand bf code < 1085460067 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to program in Brainfuck, you have to be a mindwriter. < 1085460102 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1085460141 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i have learnt a valuable lesson today:: i must become a mindwriter in order to program in bf < 1085460157 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whattaya know, you do learn something new every day < 1085460350 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what brings you into #esoteric? < 1085460365 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, there I go again, making conversation < 1085460391 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, lament asked me join #esoteric, i thought i'll check it out. iirc i've been here before (loong time before) < 1085460436 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an esoteric programmer? or are you just crazy like the rest of us? < 1085460461 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or both, they usually go hand in hand) < 1085460499 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, an esoteric progrmmer would be one that writes programs in esoteric programming languages? < 1085460513 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the answer is yes, maybe i'm the other one < 1085460556 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, though even code I write in non-esoteric languages looks esoteric sometimes < 1085460698 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toreun: I found him in #intercal < 1085460716 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(never knew that channel existed until today) < 1085460762 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah you guys are discussing where i crept up from? < 1085460943 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intercal? I should get around to playing with that a bit < 1085460952 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the "original" esoteric language, right? < 1085460980 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1085461038 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the original esoteric language? i should start playing with it then < 1085465286 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew, finally conversation back to normal level < 1085469574 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol lament < 1085470022 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo intercal was a bit too strange when it came to doing IO. although I faintly recall c-intercal providing an extension that made it a bit less silly. < 1085470263 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyway, i'm headed home now after work :) < 1085470274 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll catch you guys sometime later < 1085470304 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm desperately trying to get out of bed to get to work. different timezones maybe. < 1085470387 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofcourse different timezones fizzie < 1085470495 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you don't have reverse-dns and I'm a bit too lazy to whois. besides, some people might be getting home from work at 0930. < 1085470524 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol.. NZST == GMT+1200 < 1085470565 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other side of the world, i guess :) < 1085470569 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i'm off now < 1085470604 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1085471999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1085472000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1085473487 0 :dbc!ttm@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1085473702 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ < 1085473705 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1085473706 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1085473708 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1085473709 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1085473711 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1085473713 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1085473716 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1085473724 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1085473730 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1085473733 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1085473736 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1085473739 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1085473744 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1085473748 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1085473753 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1085473803 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was all? < 1085473817 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Do you have suggestions for a continuation? < 1085473876 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm not good at these iq-test-like "what comes next in a sequence" things, but if I had to guess, I'd probably say " \" < 1085473918 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be a straightforward next move, but I got bored. < 1085474176 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should do something radically different, like a 180 degree turn. or did you do that already? hard to say. < 1085474191 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*8)# < 1085488582 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"you have no chance to survive make your time." < 1085490946 0 :kosmikus|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus < 1085502217 0 :calamari_!JeffryJohn@as03-pho-az-205-186-106-228.rasserver.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1085502221 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1085502730 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1085506402 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1085506441 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi lament, having fun? < 1085506598 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes < 1085506604 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just got to work < 1085506607 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am drinking coffee < 1085506619 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what can be more fun than that? %) < 1085506694 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :working on a bf program? < 1085506716 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worse < 1085506719 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a Ruby program < 1085506760 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use java.. would go better with your coffee ;) < 1085506839 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Ruby is a whole lot better than Java < 1085506972 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I'd really like to see is a language like Java (forced error handling, sane strings, nice oo, standard i/o libraries) that compiles native rather than being interpreted < 1085507040 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari_: then you're insane. < 1085507047 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd give up true OO if it could be faked somehow < 1085507049 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari_: Firstly, Java sucks < 1085507060 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari_: Secondly, Java's OO sucks < 1085507066 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari_: thirdly, Java can be natively compiled < 1085507089 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure gcj isn't exactly native < 1085507190 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari_: What practical differences does that have? < 1085507200 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing that I like about Java is how easy it is to get things done. If I need a linked list it's easy, and I can put anything I want in it. If I need to do some work with strings, I don't have memory management headaches < 1085507431 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++ has oo and is compiled, so it should be possible < 1085512258 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus|away < 1085514103 0 :calamari-!JeffryJohn@as07-pho-az-205-186-110-24.rasserver.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1085514360 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1085514373 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a related note, it saddens me to report that the introductionary programming courses for cs students at my so-called university here will from now on no longer use scheme but java. < 1085514479 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :introductory programming in java? that's pretty messed up < 1085514488 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1085514491 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went through that < 1085514501 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intro programming should be basic, asm and c < 1085514508 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They ignore algorithms and data structures and starts straight with OO. < 1085514604 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basic is good to find out if you can actually program, asm lets you understand the details, c is a standard < 1085514614 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we used to have three separate courses, T1 that was scheme (functional-programming-like, used sicp as course literature), T2 plain C (as your basic imperative language) and then T3 about OO (in c++/java, don't know, seems I'll never get to do it) < 1085514615 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :java is something fun you learn later < 1085514671 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then a separate 'data structures and algorithms' course (same time as T2) that was pretty language-agnostic. < 1085514807 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :java isn't fun < 1085514848 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, writing a j2me irc client for my phone was pretty fun. < 1085514910 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I wouldn't have written it in java if I had a choice. < 1085520589 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1085520607 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1085522984 0 :Taaus_!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1085523217 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1085526819 0 :Taaus_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Taaus < 1085528564 0 :calamari_!JeffryJohn@as07-pho-az-205-186-110-24.rasserver.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1085528599 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)