< 1083374926 0 :andreou!~peace@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1083375077 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been working on the site. turns out that i can create some mean layouts :) < 1083375122 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://meme.b9.com/clog/esoteric/04.04.30 < 1083375127 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://meme.b9.com/clog/esoteric/04.05.01 < 1083375134 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i /quit, time stops :-) < 1083375526 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xm, the wiki is still to be coded. < 1083375528 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"wikied." < 1083375860 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waah, did the time stop again? < 1083375888 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew, I can still irc. < 1083377499 0 :andreou!~peace@ppp7.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1083377792 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe hey, mad html skills! < 1083377805 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, psychotic, to be exact. < 1083377825 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://bitrot.ee.teiath.gr/esoteric/ please provide feedback. the wiki will be ready Really Soon Now. < 1083379011 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"fnord." < 1083380238 0 :heatsink!~heatsink@dan0612.urh.uiuc.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1083383381 0 :andreou!~peace@ppp5.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1083383395 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm need perl help, anyone alive? < 1083383869 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be able to help < 1083383887 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1083383889 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's some help: use python instead :) < 1083383895 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the problem? < 1083383901 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i would, but i didn't have it on the local unix box :) < 1083383906 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this code: < 1083383916 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my $html_header = \ < 1083383916 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :' < 1083383916 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1083383919 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... more stuff ... < 1083383920 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'; < 1083383928 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1083383932 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i try to print it with print $html_header; < 1083383941 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the only thing i get is SCALAR(0x211d90) < 1083383956 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it prints the internal representation or whatever, and not the actual text. < 1083384055 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same thing doesn't happen for me < 1083384079 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm on 5.6.1 < 1083384093 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I apparently have 5.8.3 < 1083384128 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure that this is really what's different. < 1083384163 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed that when I print \$html_header then I get what you get < 1083384174 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if you print $$html_header? < 1083384192 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1083384193 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1083384220 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1083384228 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k works now < 1083384248 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why, though :) . < 1083384258 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it was that extra backslash? :) < 1083384293 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'extra'? < 1083384301 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you think? < 1083384304 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see... < 1083384328 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit, yeah. < 1083384335 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :corrolary: perl is illogical. < 1083384392 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a name for the type symbols that go in front of Perl variables? < 1083384412 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hungarian punctuation or something? < 1083384426 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like $sSomeScalar? < 1083384430 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1083384440 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i think it's hungarian naming < 1083384448 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you check out the site? < 1083384459 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1083384468 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, do so :) < 1083384500 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the color scheme < 1083384518 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and layout < 1083384533 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh thanks :) < 1083384541 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wikied code is what you'll hate :-) < 1083384592 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you misspelled it < 1083384596 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "wicked" < 1083384604 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1083384610 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know it's wicked < 1083384612 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :em, "wicked" i mean. < 1083384626 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's wiki-ed -> wikied (pronounced "wicked") < 1083384630 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, wicked languages < 1083384649 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1083384681 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't turn 'wikied' into the same sound < 1083384696 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION will get it right next time < 1083384704 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you need a space between the b and the d < 1083384712 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in feedback < 1083384722 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, it wraps around though, so i bugged it :) < 1083384747 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1083384851 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i'm back to perl < 1083384853 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks :) < 1083384854 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"w." < 1083397265 0 :andreou!~peace@ppp7.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1083397296 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damned language, that perl. < 1083397311 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION agrees < 1083397324 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm rewriting wikied in, and it proceeds rapidly. < 1083397358 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm uploading the new layout of esoteric now, it's better than the previous (i hope) < 1083397361 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds marvelous, but I suspect it's moreso because of a grammatical error < 1083397378 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're rewriting wikied in, and it proceeds rapidly? < 1083397380 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you calling my grammar a liar? :) < 1083397386 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, in. < 1083397387 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, in c. < 1083397391 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :) < 1083397392 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my grammar lies. < 1083397423 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, if i statically link the executable i won't have to un-chroot apache < 1083397432 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has been experimenting with lil' computer-generated 2d abstract image algorithms < 1083397446 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any pretty pictures? < 1083397455 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet, just blobs < 1083397466 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gotta tune the algorithm methinks < 1083397471 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blobs can be interesting, with the help of edwin. < 1083397505 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are free wiki sources too, if you wanted to do that < 1083397524 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even just have them for reference < 1083397527 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, but i thought i'd like a little adventure. < 1083397547 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is listening to laika < 1083397553 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heatsink where are you from? < 1083397574 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is from usa < 1083397578 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to darken the 'contents' td background... < 1083397580 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which state? < 1083397584 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cali < 1083397591 0 :lament!~lament@S0106000d3a705704.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1083397596 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, rejoice! < 1083397623 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :contents links need a little contrast < 1083397625 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie oh, i just forgot to turn off the multiverse rtc, that's why you could irc (i'm a poet...) < 1083397749 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, now I'm starting to get interesting stuff < 1083397758 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I've detected a misplaced parenthesis :) < 1083397768 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1083397771 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rejoices < 1083397778 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love broken links! < 1083397786 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki is being worked on < 1083397792 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i darkened the bgcolor. < 1083397810 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh tfts suck for webdev. < 1083397836 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tft? < 1083397928 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i use a laptop as my workstation < 1083398290 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do laptops suck for webdev? They run vim as good as any other computer. < 1083398329 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not laptops, tfts. < 1083398399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1083398400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1083398564 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, something a little interesting, now < 1083398594 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses his ol' website that's getting cluttered for a quick demo < 1083398600 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.geocities.com/noktakanto/cgimg.html < 1083398659 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nice < 1083398662 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like bloodcells < 1083398714 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1083398749 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp> open ftp.openbsd.org < 1083398749 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Connected to openbsd.sunsite.ualberta.ca. < 1083398749 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :421 There are too many connected users, please try later. < 1083398749 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1083398753 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think I'd come up with an algorithm in 4 hours < 1083398757 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should have done it nine hours ago. < 1083398775 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are all these canadians doing? They shoudl be asleep! < 1083398797 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are giving us somebody to blaim. < 1083398798 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blame < 1083398829 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, duth is available if you want the latest obsd. < 1083398838 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp://ftp.duth.gr/pub/OpenBSD/3.5/ < 1083398842 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xm, or not. < 1083398844 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1083398857 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THOSE DAMNED CANADIANS. < 1083398918 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figuring out an algorithm for making hyperdispersed random dots is hard < 1083398963 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "hyperdispersed" is a word that doesn't seem to be used outside of ecology. We should fix that. < 1083400567 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://bitrot.ee.teiath.gr/esoteric/ please provide feedback. the wiki will be ready Really Soon Now. -- language of the week: http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/ook.html write something in/for ook. < 1083400732 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the orange-on-white text is still hard to read... < 1083400748 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on which white? < 1083400761 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse me, orange-on-argent < 1083400802 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easilly readable on my screen... anyway, i'll try to find a descent shade of orange < 1083400837 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be because my screen is over 1200 px wide or something... < 1083400922 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many inches? (is your monitor) < 1083400958 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seventeen < 1083400976 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :small. < 1083400978 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's lcd < 1083401036 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should increase the font size to 11 or 12... < 1083401056 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, wait, it's... P { font-family: arial,verdana; font-size: 12px; color: 000000; } < 1083401069 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 pixels? < 1083401092 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it says < 1083401093 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1083401255 0 :lament!~lament@S0106000d3a705704.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1083401280 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1083401282 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it have to be ook? :( < 1083401303 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ook is a dutch word, isn't it? < 1083401324 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's just dutch-like < 1083401330 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament one language per week :) < 1083401427 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to bed then < 1083401436 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see yaz < 1083401437 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1083401443 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1083401474 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't count Ook to be an esoteric language at all < 1083401474 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament allow me... < 1083401487 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's brainfuck with a few candy < 1083401535 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any language isomorphic with an already existing language is dumb < 1083401550 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless < 1083401551 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, brainfuck has better syntax. < 1083401562 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax, heh... < 1083401571 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck's syntax isn't obfuscated < 1083401573 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is good < 1083401581 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax should never be obfuscated < 1083401594 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Algorithms and primitives should be obfuscated :) < 1083401594 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, the obfuscation lies at a more important level < 1083401611 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in ook, only syntax is needlessly obfuscated relative to Brainfuck < 1083401779 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i go lie down and read the dis docs now. < 1083401788 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh what on earth forced me to download miktex... < 1083401818 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, dis < 1083401832 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt anybody ever looked at dis in detail < 1083401908 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1083402863 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if they did, they'd look like cowards. < 1083402884 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naaah < 1083403184 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cowards < 1083403188 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a coward < 1083403196 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mother is ashamed of you! < 1083403200 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say that in my face. < 1083403234 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's true, but only because i code. < 1083403778 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dis was for people who thing malbolge's to hard-core? < 1083403805 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly. Dis is "Malbolge lite(tm)" < 1083403816 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and malbolge is malbolge proper. < 1083405240 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks for his two typewriters < 1083406069 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found the greek, didn't find the latin. of course, i was looking for the latin... < 1083409738 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1083414348 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :""Sleeping"" < 1083447278 0 :lament!~lament@S0106000d3a705704.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1083449584 0 :andreou!~peace@ppp5.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1083457833 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1083457838 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1083458949 0 :andreou!~peace@ppp7.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1083459530 0 :heatsink!~heatsink@dan0612.urh.uiuc.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1083466528 0 :lament!~lament@S0106000d3a705704.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1083470468 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1083470832 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1083484799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1083484800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1083489108 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1083500979 0 :andreou!~peace@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1083502477 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"w" < 1083527200 0 :lament!~lament@S0106000d3a705704.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1083544096 0 :andreou!~peace@ppp5.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1083548340 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1083554897 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"u" < 1083557634 0 :andreou!~peace@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1083567460 0 :lament!~lament@S0106000d3a705704.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1083567680 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"fly." < 1083570715 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1083571199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1083571200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1083572075 0 :kosmikus|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus < 1083579631 0 :andreou!~peace@ppp7.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1083583299 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"*" < 1083603642 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus|away < 1083617894 0 :toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1083617931 0 :Toreun!~Toreun@ool-45738c44.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1083618744 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi everyone < 1083618775 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I modified the http://bitrot.ee.teiath.gr/esoteric/ design to not use tables < 1083618779 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.toreun.org/esoteric < 1083618791 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work that well on IE, but in good browsers it works fine < 1083627701 0 :heatsink!~heatsink@dan0612.urh.uiuc.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1083629418 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1083631206 0 :andreou!~peace@ppp7.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1083631228 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :andreou, check your memos < 1083631379 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, the separator lines are too thick, but the title idea is very good. < 1083631387 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please dcc over the tarball < 1083631408 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't archive it, since you can download it yourself < 1083631414 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'll do so now if you want < 1083631426 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which separator lines? < 1083631447 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the orange-gray lines < 1083631472 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should be the same as in your design < 1083631485 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're about five pixels thick or so. < 1083631498 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they appear to me to be 10 < 1083631513 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you set them as height="1", which doesn't have a unit < 1083631515 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should be 1-pixel high :) < 1083631528 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should've used 1px < 1083631533 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like them thicker, personally < 1083631541 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 10 is probably too much < 1083631583 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, check now, how's that? < 1083631610 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, now they are subtler < 1083631684 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should we use darker colors? you know, for the site to be more, eh, sinister :) < 1083631722 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it how it is. Sinister will scare people away. We don't want the site to do that, we want the languages to :-P < 1083631779 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh luring them in with candy and sweet talk and then sodomizing their minds. that's so, eh, esoteric... >8-)# < 1083631786 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, the way I have it done, the colors are all customizable, except for the title bar and subtitle, which I didn't feel like making classes for individual letters < 1083631818 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one reason I hate table-based sites so much < 1083631827 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to change appearance you have to mess with html < 1083631843 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, the wikied code is stacked on my todo que (as #1), since i have to learn latex right now, i'll restart work on it tomorrow or the day after. < 1083631875 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you happen to be able to make it in PHP? < 1083631886 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki? < 1083631893 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that way whatever I do will integrate better < 1083631899 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1083631924 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't know PHP, it's no big deal... but I probably should learn perl anyway < 1083631925 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. there are about 100 lines of C left, so I'll finish that first and then i'll rewrite it in php < 1083631948 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you using C? < 1083631953 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's not in perl; perl is evil and at the same time sucks like a hoover. < 1083631972 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(plus, i would have to break the chroot or create a local tree with perl+libs) < 1083631979 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch where you say that... this is a programming channel < 1083632005 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an esoteric programming channel, so i can hate and bash every and all languages :) < 1083632013 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :touche < 1083632083 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know! if you're using that argument, let's make the site in Brainfuck! < 1083632116 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did see a webserver somewhere that had a brainfuck mod) < 1083632158 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apache has a mod_bf and i considered using it. < 1083632168 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I didn't know that < 1083632183 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, i value what is left of my mental stability :) < 1083632259 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever mental stability I had is now gone since I created my own esoteric lang < 1083632275 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, it's far too overrated anyway < 1083632408 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think we should have a user system? < 1083632419 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm working on php-ing it now) < 1083632451 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about a user system < 1083632546 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a required sign-up system, an optional one, so credit /can/ be given if wanted < 1083632573 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, *that*. well, that is already in the works. < 1083632577 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1083632609 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I screw over the IE users and make a cool bottom bar like I have on my homepage, http://www.toreun.org? < 1083632641 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or would we just cram everything into the contents section of the left? < 1083632688 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking for organizing wiki link trees and other random stuff? < 1083632700 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bottom bar seems to work ok in ie6... < 1083632706 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh really? < 1083632719 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i think so :) < 1083632734 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't even show up for me < 1083632743 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and last time I tried it, it didn't mouseover well < 1083632754 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh here we go, I refreshed < 1083632760 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bottom bar is the thingie with the buttons? < 1083632760 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mouseover doesn't work < 1083632774 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's the thing with the links < 1083632779 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that on IE appears at the top < 1083632786 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but good browsers it should be fixed always at the bottom of the page < 1083632805 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, yes, at the top. what should the mouseover do? < 1083632817 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bring up submenus < 1083632827 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it in another browser < 1083632837 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's horribly useless, but incredibly cool < 1083632839 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have/use any other browsers < 1083632867 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, then my new site design will most likely look quite different on your browser than intended < 1083632886 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should look nearly EXACTLY the same as yours, with only a few pixels off in a few places < 1083632927 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better have a site that will be viewable from any browser < 1083632957 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah - we're going for the "poison candy" philosophy *g* < 1083632990 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not poison, hallucinogenic (we have edwin working on that department) < 1083632997 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need... a... smoke... < 1083633023 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, mushrooms don't necessarily attract people like candy < 1083633094 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking along the lines of soaking the candy with strong amanita muscaria extract. < 1083633108 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, coding under the influence of entheogens will probably be *something* < 1083633154 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, brainfuck < 1083633164 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally < 1083633172 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1083633193 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, do you know the rewrite rule for .htaccess files? < 1083633264 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've been meaning to learn it, but never got around to it) < 1083633338 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rewrite rules? eh since i don't know what it means, i guess i don't know them :) < 1083633369 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're used by apache to determine what information is being requested and what information is being given < 1083633373 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on URLs < 1083633386 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's exceedingly complex and not exactly sensible < 1083633406 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/exceedingly/unnecessarily < 1083633420 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't mean plain .htaccess, right? heh < 1083633461 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, some stuff in .htaccess is pretty easy, since it's just basically a .conf < 1083633561 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make /pagename refer to /index.php?action=pagename < 1083633595 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm dunno how to do it < 1083633699 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1083633790 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess linking to ?something is gonna have to suffice < 1083633812 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean, like literally ln -s'ing? < 1083633843 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I mean href'ing < 1083633860 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1083634090 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, i *found* it! < 1083634092 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/celt/ffcc/ < 1083634123 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive < 1083634555 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be, it came highly recommended... < 1083635472 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o andreou < 1083635476 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+ooo edwinb fizzie kosmikus|away < 1083635479 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+ooo mooz- mtve Taaus < 1083635482 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o Toreun < 1083635725 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm out < 1083635727 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"z." < 1083639286 0 :andreou!~peace@ppp5.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1083639323 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's http://www.toreun.org/esoteric/index2.php? < 1083639354 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's my modification) < 1083639404 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the bf program do? < 1083639415 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that mod has a lot of blank space :) < 1083639473 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I made it a fixed size < 1083639478 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's part of a quine < 1083639619 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go to about < 1083639694 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :``Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer'' that reminds me of something. < 1083639710 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the standard spacefilling text < 1083639712 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lipsum.com < 1083639723 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah heh < 1083639747 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to show you what happens when there's more to a page than normally fits < 1083639808 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's never more than normally fits, we esotericists can handle anything and everything! < 1083639822 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sinister laughing* < 1083639824 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should get mozilla or firefox, just so you can see how my site is supposed to look :-P < 1083639853 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll do so if i go to the tei today ;p < 1083639863 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esotericists? how bout "esoterians"? < 1083639885 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more cult-like... i like it :) < 1083640080 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tei? < 1083640125 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teiath.gr :) < 1083640185 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1083640654 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, in IE 6 my site looks so... esoteric < 1083640687 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all wrong. < 1083640697 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should have written it in either befunge or lojban. < 1083640742 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lojban as a programming language? now there's an interesting idea < 1083640756 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's a human language < 1083640759 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is loglan < 1083640761 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1083640763 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'logical language' < 1083640779 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a conlang fan(atic?) too < 1083640789 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i got it: we'll write it in greek. < 1083640791 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ancient greek. < 1083640822 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :latin, we already have the about page done! < 1083640833 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no - ancient egyptian hieroglyphs! < 1083640839 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :latin can be easilly deciphered < 1083640844 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there's an idea < 1083640855 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since there are no fonts < 1083640868 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll write them by hand, then scan them and save them in an obscure format < 1083640887 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for which the documentation is produced by a program in malbolge < 1083640900 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we will introduce a bug or two in the program. < 1083640918 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an obscure format /generated/ by a malbolge program! < 1083640938 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't work < 1083640957 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but translated into .png by a bug-ridden malbolge program... that's something. < 1083641042 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why png? how bout one of those weird macintosh formats < 1083641078 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xpm < 1083641100 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that for the gimp, too? < 1083641105 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so most people will have to try and read a 1024x768 C structure < 1083641111 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc there's no support < 1083641155 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think any mental stability I had now has completely gone. < 1083641176 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any mental what? < 1083641183 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1083641213 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what? < 1083641221 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i'll go make an icecream now. < 1083641252 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh - instead of sticking *just* to malbolge - we make it a polyglot for every language in our wiki < 1083641332 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I suppose that'd make it too easy to compile < 1083641395 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should skip the icecream and go directly to heavy liquor < 1083641442 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have edwin give you some mushrooms < 1083641462 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i don't want to hallucinate about malbolge, mon! < 1083641464 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1083641507 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, good point... usage of hallucinogens prevents psychological defense mechanisms < 1083641528 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed! < 1083642078 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does your wiki have a separate discussion board? < 1083642107 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, no, just one wiki per language < 1083642157 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't make more wiki pages? < 1083642169 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you submit a new language? < 1083642190 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make as many as you want < 1083642209 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was thinking each page, or each language, at least, have it's own forum-type thing, where users can discuss the language) < 1083642213 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just thought that the wikis would be an easy way to have pages about the languages, i didn't use them as fora < 1083642244 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, which is why I was thinking each wiki page would have its own forum, to have discussions < 1083642260 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than have users discuss directly on the wiki, crowding everything < 1083642304 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the wiki will be used just for the definitions of languages etc < 1083642317 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really hate web fora, i prefer mailing lists :) < 1083642365 0 :lament!~lament@S0106000d3a705704.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1083642394 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my mail server is blacklisted on the esoteric mailing list, last time I checked < 1083642410 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come? < 1083642413 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1083642418 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably an open relay < 1083642431 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about not having whois information < 1083642444 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ident? < 1083642448 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my domain, I'm assuming, but some other domain on the same server < 1083642452 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1083642455 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you the admin of the mail server? < 1083642461 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1083642471 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whois and ident are different stuff < 1083642479 0 :heatsink!~heatsink@dan0612.urh.uiuc.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1083642484 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the whole of .gr doesn't have whois (thanks, hostmaster.gr), however i can post < 1083642490 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably something else < 1083642502 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1083642503 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1083642527 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm blacklisted on many servers, because of bad administration on the part of my server, so a lot of mailing lists I can't access < 1083642575 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is, with a wiki, people may be inclined to post discussions anyway < 1083642616 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the exelixis of the wiki will drive discussions out :) < 1083642627 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, if we need another forum, i will put one up < 1083642644 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was, however, thinking of a reference site for the available esolangs < 1083642645 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not do what wikipedia did, give every page a discussion section? < 1083642669 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's doable i think < 1083642678 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not provisioned in the code, but How Hard Could It Be TM < 1083642679 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heatsink: that's what I'm thinking, but instead of just making the discussion section just be another wiki, make it be a messageboard < 1083642680 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1083642699 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I could implement it into the code fairly easily < 1083642714 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just get the wikipedia.org wiki < 1083642737 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On c2.com/wiki there're no separate discussion pages, but people discuss things anyway < 1083642750 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i need something that won't need a whole libc+perl tree < 1083642763 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suck < 1083642822 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would offer my server as webspace, but I'm afraid it's so unreliable it wouldn't be much good < 1083642845 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to downtime or due to security issues? < 1083642846 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has perl support already < 1083642859 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :downtime due to security issues, I'm assuming < 1083642865 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DoS attacks < 1083642871 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1083642872 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1083642876 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm out to get some work done < 1083642885 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1083642891 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1083642896 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"werk." < 1083642933 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament and heatsink, what do you think of my modifications to andreou's design? (http://www.toreun.org/esoteric) < 1083643000 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "best viewed with mozilla" graphic is misaligned in konqueror < 1083643041 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it is designed for mozilla < 1083643045 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what do you mean, misaligned? < 1083643075 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's behind the bottom of the main div < 1083643097 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your screen resolution? < 1083643125 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1200 by 900 or something like that < 1083643134 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be fine < 1083643139 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless your text size is larger < 1083643143 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that might be affecting it < 1083643143 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the brainfuck background, though < 1083643156 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks... I figured there should be something there < 1083643227 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "about" text is very unoriginal < 1083643235 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just to fill space < 1083643238 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to show the overflow < 1083643246 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION disapproves of plagiarism < 1083643259 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1083643275 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1083643320 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I really liked andreou's formatting of the box background and border < 1083643342 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant it to be nearly exactly the same < 1083643344 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one only has orange on the top, and a homogeneous background < 1083643363 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a homogeneous background? < 1083643365 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't... < 1083643373 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just orange on top < 1083643374 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at default.css < 1083643389 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points to little graphic at bottom right of page < 1083643415 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no border-bottom field for #left in default.css < 1083643421 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1083643433 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in #container < 1083643450 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see < 1083643452 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there's a bottom-border for #main, that overrides it < 1083643487 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(originally I didn't keep it a fixed size, so I needed the left bar to extend with the main section) < 1083643492 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or at least look like it did) < 1083643580 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that #main is filling the entire width of #container < 1083643598 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you take a screenshot? < 1083643655 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION forgot how to do that < 1083643673 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the gimp you can do it < 1083643685 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe kde supports the print-screen key < 1083643699 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a shell program that would do it < 1083643705 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done it before < 1083643718 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1083643844 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should just make an alternate CSS < 1083643882 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for people who don't use Mozilla or Lynx < 1083644028 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I got it < 1083644166 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, the first 13 rows of pixels are white < 1083644200 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then 596 white pixels < 1083644221 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next pixel is 152,114,255 < 1083644228 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you writing this down? < 1083644262 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1083644284 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13 rows of what, left? < 1083644329 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you send the screenshot? < 1083644404 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whither? < 1083644430 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toreun@toreun.org works for email < 1083644448 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could try dcc, though I don't think it works that well with GAIM < 1083644539 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never dcced before < 1083644562 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither < 1083644565 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dcc send Toreun ~/tmp/screenshot.jpg < 1083644584 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try dcc get me < 1083644587 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ack, try that again? I was typing and must've hit c < 1083644620 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /dcc < 1083644627 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /dcc get heatsink < 1083644655 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not working? < 1083644709 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you see a message if I do this? < 1083644719 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I guess not < 1083644726 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you type /dcc get heatsink? < 1083644758 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it doesn't work with gaim < 1083644799 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use xchat? < 1083644854 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold on, switching... < 1083644875 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"gaim irc support is limited..." < 1083644893 0 :Toreun!bvnvja@ool-45738c44.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1083644951 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :connected failed < 1083644957 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1083644971 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does DCC go over a different port than irc? < 1083644976 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be the firewall < 1083644991 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm DMZ host, right now, the firewall shouldn't be a problem, at least on my side < 1083645009 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but I have a firewall that blocks some porta < 1083645062 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :else: print "unknown comand!!111 AHR AHR U SUX0R" < 1083645073 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a line from my script < 1083645096 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll e-mail you then < 1083645102 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that works < 1083645369 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that shoudl do it < 1083645414 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that looks like it does on Internet Explorer < 1083645507 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is going to bed < 1083645518 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually... now it seems that IE renders it more correctly < 1083645520 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, g'night < 1083645535 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1083645546 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1083647040 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1083647065 0 :Toreun!ulszy@ool-45738c44.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1083649270 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Dead socket < 1083649296 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.30.unused.swcp.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1083656576 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1083657599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1083657600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1083662847 0 :andreou!~peace@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1083672062 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1083689164 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Operation timed out < 1083693126 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.30.unused.swcp.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1083743999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1083744000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1083778102 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 14400 seconds < 1083780716 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.30.unused.swcp.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1083794495 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/" < 1083794569 0 :Toreun!yfiekq@ool-45738c44.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1083805795 0 :heatsink!~heatsink@dan0612.urh.uiuc.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1083805854 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi heatsink < 1083805995 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Toreun < 1083806020 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I discovered a perl obfuscator that was installed on my computer today! < 1083806065 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You give it an input filename and output filename, < 1083806075 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it reads the input file and writes obfuscated perl to the output file < 1083806111 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, sounds... useless < 1083806113 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called "cat" < 1083806119 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1083806124 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1083806147 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to try that in #perl... < 1083806217 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never know with those perl programmers < 1083806410 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check out the new design I made: http://www.toreun.org/esoteric < 1083806423 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be customizable, I'm just making a few samples < 1083806445 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one works better in IE... not sure about Konqueror, my KDE box is currently dead, so I can't test it < 1083806542 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Style 2 looks like andreou's < 1083806572 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is... well, my css'd version < 1083806589 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :style 1 doesn't look right < 1083806622 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should look like... *screenshot* h/o < 1083806698 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you send that to something@burr.something? < 1083806710 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I won't get thta < 1083806727 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no... I'm gonna put it on my server < 1083806731 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1083806785 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, are negative margins allowed? < 1083806795 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1083806844 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.toreun.org/esoteric/style1.png < 1083806929 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The formatting of the boxes is strange < 1083806967 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The
  • boxes are constant width and appear in front of the text < 1083807044 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... weird < 1083807101 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't see the text? < 1083807117 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see everything except for the last character < 1083807134 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The boxes are narrow < 1083807230 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I suppose I could make the boxes a fixed width, but that could be bad when the links are long < 1083807243 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm playing with the stylesheet now < 1083807246 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1083807272 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to make a third one anyway... a very simple one < 1083807346 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In #main p:first-line, add border: none < 1083807360 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, it inherits the dashed border from #main p < 1083807373 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there are confusing extra dashes in the document < 1083807385 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1083807444 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is annoying -- when you turn that off, the dashed border on the left side of the first line disappears < 1083807458 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should be a bug report < 1083807465 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do border-top and border-bottom none < 1083807489 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's that? < 1083807507 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks okay < 1083807563 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1083807778 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, li display:inline seems to be messing things up, although when it's not inline it inserts newlines between the list elements < 1083807799 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1083807847 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's that look... it might be more compatible, but I'm not sure I like the floating left < 1083807872 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually... let me try something < 1083807890 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks the same < 1083807900 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still see the first-line boxes, also < 1083807924 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok... that didn't work < 1083807952 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should be left aligned rather than center now < 1083807962 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used float: left < 1083808047 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first line boxes? where's the border?? < 1083808083 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In style1.css, I don't see any border-top: or border-bottom: < 1083808090 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe something is caching the webpage < 1083808107 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... try shift-refresh, I think < 1083808115 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that does a hard refresh < 1083808115 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yes < 1083808123 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks okay now < 1083808137 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's the left align look? < 1083808141 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than it being in the middle? < 1083808143 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the
      is left-aligned < 1083808159 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It definitely would look nicer if you could put that in the middle < 1083808165 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1083808172 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but without using display: inline I'm not sure I can < 1083808178 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you said that's giving you problems < 1083808224 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
      is deprecated, but it seems to be the only portable way to accomplish some things < 1083808243 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION winces < 1083808265 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with that is the multiple stylesheets... < 1083808273 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is my whole philosophy of webdesign < 1083808275 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1083808302 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory it should look fine, because Mozilla seems to always display things correctly < 1083808316 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only... what, 10% of the population uses it? < 1083808318 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at most < 1083808342 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, something like that < 1083808355 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie gets the lions share < 1083808480 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1083808521 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1083808847 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b < 1083808855 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb < 1083808867 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't seem to figure out how to center it... < 1083808935 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm gonna leave it as display: inline and make a *much* less intensive stylesheet < 1083808941 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1083808984 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a programmer, I have to say that CSS is too restrictive < 1083808997 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I've noticed that too < 1083809021 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to be able to have successive lines of text spaced by successive prime-number distances < 1083809033 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's way too hard to center everything! you have to use roundabout methods that were originally unexpected < 1083809048 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would need a turing complete markup, wouldn't it? < 1083809052 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so :) < 1083809085 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been able to center a
      in all of IE, Netscape, and Konqueror without using the
      tag < 1083809121 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's something in the CSS specification about text-align: center only applying to inline elements < 1083809150 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only it wasn't so difficult to get something standard in webdesign... maybe there would be a turing complete design language < 1083809181 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine all the webpage-bombs though < 1083809201 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true < 1083809235 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100.000 bottles of beer on the wall... < 1083809288 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... would there be a way to prevent dynamic text insertion? < 1083809356 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wouldn't be very turing-complete < 1083809377 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... not necessarily... dynamic images? < 1083809406 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think Microsoft is trying to use .NET to add programmability to webpages, like Sun tried with Java < 1083809438 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... not very good < 1083809456 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1083809728 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.NET is getting awfully bloated, IMO < 1083810327 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1083810331 0 :Toreun!yfiekq@ool-45738c44.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1083810382 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb < 1083810407 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1083815474 0 :lament!~lament@S0106000d3a705704.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1083818579 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1083818658 0 :mooz-!~root@cs182109.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1083818658 0 :irc.freenode.net!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o mooz- < 1083818662 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-o mooz- < 1083829906 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1083830399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1083830400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1083831135 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1083841882 0 :andreou!ee4299@nemesis.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1083842953 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" < 1083889436 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1083889798 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1083889800 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1083889866 0 :mooz-!~root@cs182109.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1083891056 0 :deltab!~deltab@espians.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1083891328 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.30.unused.swcp.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1083895157 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-oo kosmikus|away edwinb < 1083896656 0 :mtve!mtve@mtve.vm.jvds.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1083903302 0 :lament!~lament@S0106000d3a705704.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1083905527 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1083908200 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://bitrot.ee.teiath.gr/esoteric/ please provide feedback. the wiki will be ready Really Soon Now. -- language of the week: http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/ook.html write something in/for ook. || http://www.mathpages.com/home/kmath135.htm < 1083908204 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo! < 1083916799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1083916800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1083918753 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1083947312 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.30.unused.swcp.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1083947399 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1083947426 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.30.unused.swcp.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1083986050 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1083986050 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1083986084 0 :mtve!mtve@mtve.vm.jvds.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1083986084 0 :mooz-!~root@cs182109.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1083986155 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1083986155 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1083986190 0 :mtve!mtve@mtve.vm.jvds.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1083986190 0 :mooz-!~root@cs182109.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1083993909 0 :heatsink!~heatsink@dan0612.urh.uiuc.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1084003199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1084003200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1084003543 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1084032257 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1084032272 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.30.unused.swcp.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1084034766 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1084035822 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.30.unused.swcp.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1084036773 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1084036912 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.30.unused.swcp.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1084050323 0 :lament!~lament@S0106000d3a705704.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1084051504 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1084051796 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.30.unused.swcp.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1084072733 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooooooooooo < 1084072992 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO < 1084073002 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the wiki!!! < 1084079367 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1084089599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1084089600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1084096413 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 14400 seconds < 1084116661 0 :Toreun!idxq@ool-45738c44.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1084137094 0 :lament!~lament@S0106000d3a705704.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1084139901 0 :kosmikus|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus < 1084148283 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus|away < 1084149254 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1084152413 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1084152428 0 :Toreun!apoejb@ool-45738c44.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1084158302 0 :lament!~lament@S0106000d3a705704.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1084160102 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1084175999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1084176000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1084177235 0 :kosmikus|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus < 1084201712 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client terminated by server" < 1084201749 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.30.unused.swcp.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1084206477 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1084206858 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.30.unused.swcp.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1084210694 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus|away < 1084219174 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1084219174 0 :clog!nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1084223998 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus|away < 1084247669 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1084255091 0 :lament!~lament@S0106000d3a705704.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1084257265 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello quiet channel. < 1084262399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1084262400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1084263518 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1084264068 0 :lament!~lament@S0106000d3a705704.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1084264753 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello noisy lament. < 1084264769 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello again < 1084264804 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no exams or anything today, so still mostly asleep. < 1084265273 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1084272063 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1084272063 0 :clog!nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1084282657 0 :kosmikus|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus < 1084298852 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus|away < 1084306220 0 :Toreu1!lfmc@ool-45738c44.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1084306803 0 :Toreu1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/" < 1084306812 0 :Toreun!goqy@ool-45738c44.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1084321053 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1084321097 0 :mooz-!~root@cs182109.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1084335153 0 :lament!~lament@S0106000d3a705704.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1084348799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1084348800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1084350167 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1084356567 0 :kosmikus|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus < 1084367215 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus|away < 1084421950 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1084421970 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.30.unused.swcp.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1084429128 0 :lament!~lament@S0106000d3a705704.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1084435199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1084435200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1084435662 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"PYTHON SUCKS" < 1084442751 0 :kosmikus|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus < 1084465104 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1084489178 0 :Toreun!~Toreun@ool-45738c44.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1084494084 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus|away < 1084507352 0 :edwinb!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1084507975 0 :lament!~lament@S0106000d3a705704.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1084520767 0 :lament_!~lament@S0106000d3a705704.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1084521279 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1084521599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1084521600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1084523928 0 :lament_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1084526196 0 :kosmikus|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus < 1084527569 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus|away < 1084533118 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1084533151 0 :mooz-!~root@cs182109.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1084560740 0 :lament!~lament@S01060050baab2c59.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1084582144 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1084582157 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.30.unused.swcp.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1084607999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1084608000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1084609551 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, brainfuck is currently perlgolfed at http://kernelpanic.pl/perlgolf-view.mx?id=34 < 1084649599 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my scorpion died. < 1084664260 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1084673350 0 :Toreun!devvq@ool-45738c44.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1084694399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1084694400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1084780799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1084780800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1084782795 0 :kosmikus|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus < 1084785991 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1084786074 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.30.unused.swcp.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1084819415 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, why i havn's seen this before? http://pathlang.sourceforge.net/ < 1084819813 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's that one related language that uses the angles in the points where the path changes direction as the commands. iirc. < 1084819862 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder what that one was called. < 1084819913 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there are very few of new concepts there. still interesting to write a shortest hello-world and a quine :) < 1084819981 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do, please provide proof that yours are indeed the shortest. < 1084820178 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It was called "wierd", if memory serves. < 1084820199 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pun on "weird" and "wired" :) < 1084820278 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, I think... Catseye seems to be long gone. I think it was one of Chris Pressey's languages. < 1084820360 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.mine.nu:8080/projects/wierd/ < 1084820382 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stand corrected. < 1084820641 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gaah. my wacom pen stopped working when I restarted X and now it feels like my hand went numb. < 1084820747 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very unpleasant feeling. < 1084822342 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye isn't dead?!? < 1084823867 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus|away < 1084832820 0 :kosmikus|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus < 1084838470 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow... cat's eye is back < 1084840930 0 :LaBrain!Diana@ACB543A9.ipt.aol.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1084843411 0 :LaBrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1084845290 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus|away < 1084861132 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1084867199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1084867200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1084883476 0 :kosmikus|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus < 1084901974 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1084902016 0 :mtve!mtve@mtve.vm.jvds.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1084909216 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus|away < 1084912727 0 :kosmikus|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus < 1084914204 0 :calamari_!JeffryJohn@as08-pho-az-205-186-111-236.rasserver.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1084914211 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1084915342 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an esoteric wiki.. this should be cool < 1084915374 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, did anyone ever discover what happened to Chris Pressey? < 1084915604 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1084915606 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask on esolang < 1084915614 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, found his page! < 1084915625 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.mine.nu:8080 < 1084918137 0 :Toreun!devvq@ool-45738c44.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1084918227 0 :calamari-!JeffryJohn@dialup-4.240.111.244.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1084918230 0 :andreou!~navigator@195.130.98.218 JOIN :#esoteric < 1084918241 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh. < 1084918244 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi there < 1084918265 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what's worse: the flue or the upcoming exam period < 1084918310 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hallucinations on 40oC-fever were wonderful, though. < 1084918349 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feeling any better? < 1084918358 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm over it now (the flu) < 1084918377 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, too bad - now you'll have to resort to the normal method of having hallucinations < 1084918384 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://bitrot.ee.teiath.gr/esoteric/ (we need feedback). http://www.mathpages.com/home/kmath135.htm < 1084918396 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually no; i've had enough for a while < 1084918429 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you taken a look at my other styles for the webpage? http://www.toreun.org/esoteric < 1084918430 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi andreou.. if I typed your email address correctly you should have some esoteric page feedback < 1084918432 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, no pdp channel on freenode? that's preposterous! < 1084918438 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i saw them < 1084918447 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari- hm what's your real name? < 1084918453 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeffry Johnston < 1084918474 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah indeed, i sent out the reply a few minutes ago < 1084918626 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://bitrot.ee.teiath.gr/esoteric/ (we need feedback). http://www.mathpages.com/home/kmath135.htm || Catseye isn't dead! < 1084918636 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toreun: all those dotted lines are hard on my eyes < 1084918643 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which style? < 1084918645 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament really? then i must kill it now :) < 1084918663 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't kill it.. the wiki idea is great < 1084918673 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, what gives! just as we're trying to redesign a cats eye like site, cats eye comes back! < 1084918678 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, i mean :) < 1084918689 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found it by searching for Chris Pressey in google :P < 1084918700 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever happened with that, does anyone know? < 1084918707 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament what's the new url? < 1084918714 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he moved, and I guess that changed his website address < 1084918717 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.mine.nu:8080/ < 1084918723 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1084918738 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://bitrot.ee.teiath.gr/esoteric/ (we need feedback). http://www.mathpages.com/home/kmath135.htm || Catseye isn't dead! http://catseye.mine.nu:8080/ < 1084918742 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1084918747 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of stuff is missing from the original site, though < 1084918760 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I noticed that < 1084918822 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :andreou: where's the wiki? < 1084918864 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the door, waiting for the exams to exit :) < 1084919095 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i spent wo god damned hours downloading a tarball, only to have the connection timeout on me. < 1084919199 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, no resume, no cache, no nothing. < 1084919223 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suffer! < 1084919237 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course. Isn't that a law of computing or something? < 1084919242 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully you're not serving the site from the same machine? :) < 1084919268 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament over dialup with per-minute charges? no, i'm not :) < 1084919369 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1084919444 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus|away < 1084927148 0 :Toreu1!~Toreun@ool-45738c44.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1084927148 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1084927154 0 :Toreu1!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1084927163 0 :Toreun!zqdquv@ool-45738c44.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1084928609 0 :navigator!~navigator@ppp5.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1084928627 0 :navigator!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still here? damn. < 1084928635 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1084928642 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still here < 1084928643 0 :navigator!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :andreou < 1084928647 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hi < 1084928661 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes forever for nicks to die here < 1084928801 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1084928812 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I noticed that too < 1084929007 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, i'm so tired my eyes burn < 1084929023 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exams keeping you awake? < 1084929146 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, i was downloading this huge file which i'm now moving over to another box, downloading a book and, yes, reading a bit. < 1084929161 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not the reading that keeps me awake. < 1084929340 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should stop using sftp for intranet transfers < 1084931582 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"If it doesn't have 36 bits, you're not playing with a full DEC." < 1084933564 0 :calamari!JeffryJohn@dialup-4.240.108.233.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1084933759 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1084934669 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1084948823 0 :calamari_!JeffryJohn@as12-pho-az-205-186-115-82.rasserver.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1084948835 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1084948949 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1084949123 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking into making a bf backend for gcc, but it seems really complicated.. ever done anything like that? < 1084949179 0 :deltab!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a frontend would be far easier < 1084949216 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but I want c -> bf.. not bf -> whatever :) < 1084949245 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about porting my bfbasic to c, but gcc is so much better < 1084949390 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out a way to have 32-bit pointers and also named functions (it turns out that there are 64 possible chars in a function name and max 31 chars, so approx 24 bytes per function name) < 1084949412 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of bloat, but who cares really :) < 1084949462 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each function could then use the line number method for local labels < 1084949496 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have to implement malloc in bf tho.. not fun :) < 1084953599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1084953600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1084954533 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1084954535 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1084954572 0 :kosmikus|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus < 1084976662 0 :andreou!~navigator@195.130.107.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1084976714 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need more people < 1084976722 0 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. JOIN :#esoteric < 1084976723 0 :irc.freenode.net!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o ChanServ < 1084976730 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yey! < 1084976735 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1084976762 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think ChanServ counts as a person < 1084976809 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"he"'s as active as 90% of the people here < 1084976826 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true < 1084977789 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no longer < 1084989601 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1084989609 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anybody have my Javascript thue interpreter? < 1084989896 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps know of some way of retrieving it? < 1084990220 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1084990371 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the address at which it used to be. < 1084990378 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And i already looked for it on archive.org. < 1084990382 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's not there :( < 1084991336 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 14400 seconds < 1084993788 0 :calamari_!JeffryJohn@as07-pho-az-205-186-110-14.rasserver.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1084993797 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1084996024 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus|away < 1084996691 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1085002896 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1085004621 0 :kosmikus|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus < 1085013961 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus|away < 1085037323 0 :mtve!mtve@mtve.vm.jvds.com JOIN :#esoteric < 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QUIT :ended < 1085126400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1085127192 0 :kosmikus|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus < 1085133319 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus|away < 1085154554 0 :edwinb!dcs3ecb@cs-186.dur.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1085164274 0 :calamari_!JeffryJohn@as03-pho-az-205-186-106-119.rasserver.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1085164286 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1085171091 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1085175586 0 :calamari-!JeffryJohn@as01-pho-az-205-186-104-215.rasserver.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1085175843 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1085176109 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1085212799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1085212800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1085212997 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1085213220 0 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:fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1085341024 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1085341024 0 :deltab!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1085341044 0 :fizzie!fis@sesefras.tky.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1085341044 0 :deltab!~deltab@espians.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1085341044 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.30.unused.swcp.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1085341044 0 :Toreun!bmwkrz@ool-45738c44.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1085341044 0 :irc.freenode.net!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o fizzie < 1085358476 0 :calamari_!JeffryJohn@as03-pho-az-205-186-106-61.rasserver.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1085358481 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1085358502 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1085358568 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's new? < 1085358643 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing much. playing with this Blog Stock market thing (http://www.blogshares.com/) < 1085358669 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kinda interesting < 1085358676 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and much less risky than the real stock market < 1085358728 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how well does it follow the real stock market? < 1085358762 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't... it just follows stock market principles. it's basically like each blog is a company, and people trade shares of blogs < 1085358769 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oic < 1085364729 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1085385599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1085385600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1085386192 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1085402385 0 :kosmikus|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus < 1085410725 0 :andreou!~navigator@195.130.98.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1085410815 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://catseye.mine.nu:8080/ -- http://fasd.ethz.ch/qsf/ < 1085411417 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"If it doesn't have 36 bits, you're not playing with a full DEC." < 1085421600 0 :cy_!~adsf@80-218-242-229.dclient.hispeed.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1085424750 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus|away < 1085427044 0 :lament!~lament@S01060050baab2c59.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1085433554 0 :merlin65537!~mike@p508CFA58.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1085434071 0 :merlin65537!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1085437950 0 :cy_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1085446090 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1085448556 0 :Toreun!~Toreun@ool-45738c44.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1085459685 0 :freakabcd!~freakabcd@202.6.75.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1085459689 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey lament < 1085459698 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi all.. < 1085459706 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi freakabcd < 1085459770 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freakabcd: Welcome to the Evil Channel Of Idle < 1085459787 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so people don;t talk here? < 1085459796 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Not the Idle Channel of Evil? < 1085459800 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just sit idle? < 1085459804 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toreun: sorry! < 1085459817 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freakabcd: If you talk, you get banned < 1085459824 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we have ever discussed intercal here < 1085459831 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it certainly would be on-topic < 1085459834 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so what happens here in the idle channel of evil other than getting banned? < 1085459836 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on occasion we get a few people having conversations, but they quickly learn their lesson < 1085459845 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toreun: Repeatedly. < 1085459856 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just keep on learning. < 1085459881 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so people can do mind-reading in this channel! i'm in the right place :) < 1085459909 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just being in this channel is enough. What else is there to say? < 1085459922 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freakabcd: don't confuse programming brainfuck for mind-reading < 1085459989 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah.. yes. i confuse the verbs brainf*ck and mind-read :) < 1085460019 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sometimes you have to be a mindreader to understand bf code < 1085460067 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to program in Brainfuck, you have to be a mindwriter. < 1085460102 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1085460141 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i have learnt a valuable lesson today:: i must become a mindwriter in order to program in bf < 1085460157 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whattaya know, you do learn something new every day < 1085460350 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what brings you into #esoteric? < 1085460365 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, there I go again, making conversation < 1085460391 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, lament asked me join #esoteric, i thought i'll check it out. iirc i've been here before (loong time before) < 1085460436 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an esoteric programmer? or are you just crazy like the rest of us? < 1085460461 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or both, they usually go hand in hand) < 1085460499 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, an esoteric progrmmer would be one that writes programs in esoteric programming languages? < 1085460513 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the answer is yes, maybe i'm the other one < 1085460556 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, though even code I write in non-esoteric languages looks esoteric sometimes < 1085460698 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toreun: I found him in #intercal < 1085460716 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(never knew that channel existed until today) < 1085460762 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah you guys are discussing where i crept up from? < 1085460943 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intercal? I should get around to playing with that a bit < 1085460952 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the "original" esoteric language, right? < 1085460980 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1085461038 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the original esoteric language? i should start playing with it then < 1085465286 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew, finally conversation back to normal level < 1085469574 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol lament < 1085470022 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo intercal was a bit too strange when it came to doing IO. although I faintly recall c-intercal providing an extension that made it a bit less silly. < 1085470263 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyway, i'm headed home now after work :) < 1085470274 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll catch you guys sometime later < 1085470304 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm desperately trying to get out of bed to get to work. different timezones maybe. < 1085470387 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofcourse different timezones fizzie < 1085470495 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you don't have reverse-dns and I'm a bit too lazy to whois. besides, some people might be getting home from work at 0930. < 1085470524 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol.. NZST == GMT+1200 < 1085470565 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other side of the world, i guess :) < 1085470569 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i'm off now < 1085470604 0 :freakabcd!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1085471999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1085472000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1085473487 0 :dbc!ttm@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1085473702 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ < 1085473705 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1085473706 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1085473708 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1085473709 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1085473711 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1085473713 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1085473716 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1085473724 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1085473730 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1085473733 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1085473736 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1085473739 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1085473744 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1085473748 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1085473753 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1085473803 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was all? < 1085473817 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Do you have suggestions for a continuation? < 1085473876 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm not good at these iq-test-like "what comes next in a sequence" things, but if I had to guess, I'd probably say " \" < 1085473918 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be a straightforward next move, but I got bored. < 1085474176 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should do something radically different, like a 180 degree turn. or did you do that already? hard to say. < 1085474191 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*8)# < 1085488582 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"you have no chance to survive make your time." < 1085490946 0 :kosmikus|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus < 1085502217 0 :calamari_!JeffryJohn@as03-pho-az-205-186-106-228.rasserver.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1085502221 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1085502730 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1085506402 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1085506441 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi lament, having fun? < 1085506598 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes < 1085506604 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just got to work < 1085506607 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am drinking coffee < 1085506619 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what can be more fun than that? %) < 1085506694 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :working on a bf program? < 1085506716 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worse < 1085506719 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a Ruby program < 1085506760 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use java.. would go better with your coffee ;) < 1085506839 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Ruby is a whole lot better than Java < 1085506972 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I'd really like to see is a language like Java (forced error handling, sane strings, nice oo, standard i/o libraries) that compiles native rather than being interpreted < 1085507040 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari_: then you're insane. < 1085507047 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd give up true OO if it could be faked somehow < 1085507049 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari_: Firstly, Java sucks < 1085507060 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari_: Secondly, Java's OO sucks < 1085507066 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari_: thirdly, Java can be natively compiled < 1085507089 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure gcj isn't exactly native < 1085507190 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari_: What practical differences does that have? < 1085507200 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing that I like about Java is how easy it is to get things done. If I need a linked list it's easy, and I can put anything I want in it. If I need to do some work with strings, I don't have memory management headaches < 1085507431 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++ has oo and is compiled, so it should be possible < 1085512258 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus|away < 1085514103 0 :calamari-!JeffryJohn@as07-pho-az-205-186-110-24.rasserver.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1085514360 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1085514373 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a related note, it saddens me to report that the introductionary programming courses for cs students at my so-called university here will from now on no longer use scheme but java. < 1085514479 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :introductory programming in java? that's pretty messed up < 1085514488 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1085514491 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went through that < 1085514501 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intro programming should be basic, asm and c < 1085514508 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They ignore algorithms and data structures and starts straight with OO. < 1085514604 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basic is good to find out if you can actually program, asm lets you understand the details, c is a standard < 1085514614 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we used to have three separate courses, T1 that was scheme (functional-programming-like, used sicp as course literature), T2 plain C (as your basic imperative language) and then T3 about OO (in c++/java, don't know, seems I'll never get to do it) < 1085514615 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :java is something fun you learn later < 1085514671 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then a separate 'data structures and algorithms' course (same time as T2) that was pretty language-agnostic. < 1085514807 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :java isn't fun < 1085514848 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, writing a j2me irc client for my phone was pretty fun. < 1085514910 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I wouldn't have written it in java if I had a choice. < 1085520589 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1085520607 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1085522984 0 :Taaus_!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1085523217 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1085526819 0 :Taaus_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Taaus < 1085528564 0 :calamari_!JeffryJohn@as07-pho-az-205-186-110-24.rasserver.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1085528599 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1085531343 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1085531345 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1085535092 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ACK! SIGSEGV! < 1085535292 0 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. JOIN :#esoteric < 1085535292 0 :irc.freenode.net!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o ChanServ < 1085558399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1085558400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1085559836 0 :kosmikus|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus < 1085589725 0 :calamari_!JeffryJohn@as03-pho-az-205-186-106-33.rasserver.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1085589730 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1085599190 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus|away < 1085603863 0 :kosmikus|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus < 1085605035 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1085612748 0 :Toreun!pkfmls@ool-45738c44.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1085615366 0 :calamari_!JeffryJohn@as02-pho-az-205-186-105-238.rasserver.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1085615370 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1085617321 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, a creationist troll in #C < 1085617351 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does #c have to do with religion? < 1085617435 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it has a bible < 1085617480 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, you're right < 1085617502 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have it? you could start quoting "verses" < 1085617510 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1085617511 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no :( < 1085618214 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have been reading comp.lang.c tonight, seems that they often ask "can we have chapter and verse for that?" when people state facts and non-facts. < 1085618418 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best I could find from amazon.com :) < 1085619540 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus|away < 1085620783 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :lameAFK < 1085623092 0 :calamari-!JeffryJohn@as10-pho-az-205-186-113-109.rasserver.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1085624011 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1085628575 0 :dbc!ttm@130.94.161.238 JOIN :#esoteric < 1085631707 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1085633689 0 :lameAFK!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :lament < 1085637400 0 :Keymaker!nobody@212-246-180-5.dial.tpo.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1085637463 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello everyone; haven't been here ever before, and excuse me my bad English. < 1085637899 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok, english is a hard language :P < 1085637910 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1085637914 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1085637914 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I expect our Finnish is worse than your English < 1085637922 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish < 1085637923 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1085637927 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm from Finland :) < 1085637935 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I said Finnish < 1085637947 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1085638036 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm, too bad I have to go now. I'll come back sometime later, goodbye everyone. < 1085638039 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1085638055 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody left. < 1085638084 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. < 1085644799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1085644800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1085646453 0 :kosmikus|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus < 1085654949 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"you have no chance to survive make your time." < 1085659652 0 :Keymaker!nobody@212-246-180-50.dial.tpo.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1085661624 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you 1.) discussing privately or 2.) just idling? :) < 1085661986 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1085662043 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1085662049 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see. < 1085662412 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can also discuss something publicly :) < 1085662503 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, yes < 1085662550 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what language you're interested most about? < 1085662727 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me? mmm, befunge of esoterics, perl. < 1085662799 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1085662829 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just read something about befunge, gotta say i didn't understand anything :O but it seemed interesting < 1085663301 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But well, I think I'll go to do some coding or play Commander Keen, cya. < 1085663302 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1085666201 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1085669646 0 :Keymaker!nobody@212-246-180-77.dial.tpo.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1085669747 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized (=read) Befunge code is in 2d table. No wonder the code looked so cryptic before. :) < 1085670137 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fairly simple in fact. < 1085670183 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1085670191 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple, yes, but the lack of functions makes it messy. you "can" simulate functions by directing code flow manually, but it's.. not fun. < 1085670202 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is! < 1085670208 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1085670215 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok, fun perhaps. < 1085670230 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, where does the code start? < 1085670239 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from some corner or is there some symbol for it? < 1085670248 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(0, 0), going left-to-right, does it not. < 1085670257 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1085670281 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mooz has that funky qsort example which I think shows that most non-trivial algorithms in befunge are.. messy. < 1085670308 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might take a look at it later :) < 1085670332 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at http://quux.befunge.org/qsort.html if you want. < 1085670337 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1085670337 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax-highlighted, even. < 1085670371 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1085670388 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, probably wasn't pretty easy to code that one.. < 1085670709 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, since when have I had this '@' character in front of my name and why? it's scary. if I make an U-turn I might hit it and it'd terminate this program. (assuming life works like befunge. would think it does.) < 1085670739 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1085670739 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1085671084 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before I realized not so many mins ago that Befunge consist of single characters like BF and the code is in table, I was pretty confused when I was trying to figure 'is there any logic in this language?'. I was trying to think what syntax and instructions it used and didn't realize the different instructions were in front of my eyes as single characters. :\ (sorry, I just had to say this now because I forgot to say this totally ^ up there) < 1085671164 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably it'll be better to search some info before looking at the code, for now on. :) < 1085671186 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check out first url from the topic < 1085671197 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1085671198 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1085671288 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably mean the cat's eye page about Befunge? < 1085671394 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. Chris is the author of befunge. < 1085671426 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :allright :) < 1085671436 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.mine.nu:8080/projects/befunge93/doc/befunge93.html < 1085671481 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is he in this room at the moment? < 1085671500 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, i havn't seen him here. < 1085671518 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1085671535 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, looks like he's not interested in esoteric languages anymore but only in esoteric oses. < 1085671549 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's 'oses'? < 1085671554 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :operating systems < 1085671557 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1085671564 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean DragonFlyBSD < 1085671604 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok - though, i don't know (yet) what it is < 1085671604 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds more like an esoteric drug than an operating system to me. < 1085671615 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1085671627 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if not that, then something from the BBS era. < 1085671696 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll stay with brainf#ck, but this befunge is just something i don't wanna miss :) < 1085671713 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any good interpreters/compilers? < 1085671737 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad i have to confess, i'm still using win :( < 1085671762 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my befunge interpreters are on the opposite end of the spectrum from good. < 1085671775 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1085671833 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's glfunge98 which had Real Bugs (tm) and died before it even started (although someone apparently had time to make a HPUX-package of it), then there's "ff" which has few minor bugs too, although I've forgotten what they were, and then there's ff2 which I haven't even ever managed to compile. < 1085671851 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have, however, managed to make gcc eat ~1GB of memory while trying to compile the beast. < 1085671863 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1085671904 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff's in http://befunge.org/ff/, the rest I'm a bit too ashamed to mention. < 1085671938 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1085671955 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually if I have to run befunge(93) code, I'll just use mooz's interpreter. am not sure if it's in the interweb somewhere, though. < 1085671966 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's approximately as fast as ff, but lacks the bugs. < 1085671993 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's big plus (lack of bugs) < 1085672010 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've forgotten what the bugs in ff were. < 1085672020 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1085672034 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's not pretty c. < 1085672087 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff2 tried to take the ff approach a bit further, and also to compile without gcc. < 1085672107 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :end result was a mess of code that doesn't compile even with gcc. < 1085672113 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1085672147 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it seems to be relatively valid C. I tried to compile it with intel's c compiler, and it didn't issue any warnings or errors. it did, however, crash. < 1085672160 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad < 1085672205 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't tried to compile with gcc-3.x, though. might satisfy my curiosity now. < 1085672218 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least befunge beats actually working here at work. < 1085672225 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1085672249 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you're doing? code? < 1085672341 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently j2me stuff for stupid multimedia mobile phones. I hates it. this was supposed to be done using the native c++ api symbianOS phones have, but in the middle of the "project", if it can be called that, 'they' decided "hey, we'll do the whole thing on j2me (although it will be ran only on symbian phones)" < 1085672368 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1085672370 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1085672410 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who (besides lunatics and madmen) writes dsp-like code in _java_ to run on a _phone_? I don't want to know how slooooow this thing will run, if my guesses on the performance of the java VM are correct. < 1085672444 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, gcc-3.1 compiled my ff2, in only 1:30 minutes. < 1085672448 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1085672452 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it work? < 1085672498 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1085672501 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not. < 1085672505 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1085672529 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to fix it? go see http://gehennom.org/~fizban/tmp/ff2.c < 1085672539 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I definitely don't want to fix it. < 1085672556 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, but i'm not really good coder :) < 1085672621 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, just wondering, how many here are actually from finland? < 1085672625 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither am I. the macros used in ff2 look really really sick, though. < 1085672634 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just me and mooz, and you, I think. < 1085672640 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1085672707 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, three out of ~10 isn't too bad, I guess. < 1085672713 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1085672717 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all < 1085672802 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, by the way, why c? why not c++? < 1085672820 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's somehow simpler < 1085672829 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++ isn't my favourite programming language. < 1085672838 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i see < 1085672839 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I guess I could have made a big enough mess with c++ templates. < 1085672864 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'll write ff++ next. < 1085672896 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1085672923 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i have time enough ever i think i'll write somekind of brainf#ck interpreter < 1085672948 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, when writing C++ I have this strangest urge to write well-structured, oo-like code. < 1085672971 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oo-like? < 1085672977 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :object-oriented-like. < 1085672979 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1085672988 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I could've made myself write all those computed gotos in ff if it were c++. < 1085672991 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just realized at the same moment i asked :) < 1085673031 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is probably one of those urls that keep circling around irc, but it was very convincing: http://www.j-walk.com/other/wifispray/ < 1085673051 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a rumble of thunder I hear? (or am I just hungry?) < 1085673082 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1085673099 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, too bad probably not true :( < 1085673180 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, the wifi speed spray thing? how could it not be, there are _equations_ there. < 1085673192 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1085673219 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, ted smith, todd smith, tina smith, toraido smith, theresa smith and tim smith all recommend it. < 1085673246 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the agent family :) < 1085673429 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd take me a lot time to read those funge specifications, but what is the biggest difference between befunge 93 and 98, or are they even same language? < 1085673458 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 'funge 98', and yes, they are the same language. < 1085673465 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funge98 just has a lot of extensions. < 1085673469 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1085673489 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'll use the 93 one when i use this < 1085673492 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynamically loading extensions (that map on the uppercase characters), multi-threading, n-dimensionality, even time travel. < 1085673530 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I'm not sure if any implementations offer n-funge. trefunge interpreters there probably are. < 1085673553 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'trefunge'? < 1085673578 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in/out in addition to left/right/up/down. < 1085673589 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1085673598 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most probably don't implement the time travel extension either. < 1085673605 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1085673611 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that all goes too confusing :) < 1085673632 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and between '93 and '98 there was that funky funge with multithreading but a shared stack between all threads. (can't remember if it was '96 or '97) < 1085673644 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a maybe not so good idea, that. < 1085673650 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1085673684 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder is there any language that anyone hadn't had skills to write an interpreter or a compiler? < 1085673729 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and the IP delta (direction) doesn't need to be (1, 0), (0, 1), (-1, 0) or (0, -1) any longer, but it can be any vector with integer components. < 1085673748 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a pretty lame thing to do, since it lets you jump around. too easy. < 1085673756 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1085673778 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also the ';' "skip code until next ;" command, which I consider cheating too. < 1085673791 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1085673813 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was that '#' that jumps over one? < 1085673819 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cell < 1085673823 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if funge98 included the hex-number-extension though. ('a', 'b', .. 'f' which would push 10, 11, .. 15.) < 1085673832 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but that's too useful to remove. < 1085673846 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1085673865 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mooz's mostly-befunge-93 interpreter for the ti-86 calculator family (bef86?) included [a-f]. < 1085673884 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1085673925 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those 1-9 (and a-f) kinda like variables in befunge? < 1085673939 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one can save some number into those? < 1085673957 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nno. < 1085673961 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1085673964 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just push the corresponding number to stack. < 1085673980 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1085673990 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no variables, just the stack. oh, and you can write/read to/from the playfield. < 1085674003 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1085674008 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, funge98 also includes the "stack stack" < 1085674018 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1085674025 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where instead of a single stack you actually have a stack of stacks, and you can manipulate those. < 1085674040 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda cheating again :) < 1085674078 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda. oh, and it includes a "system information" command, which has the side-effect (can't remember if this was in the standard) that you can use it like the PICK word from forth. < 1085674078 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some ways that 98 version makes the whole thing a lot easier, but also a lot more confusing if someone wants to use all the things possible in it < 1085674098 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you're not familiar with forth, it just reaches into the stack and pulls out a number from an arbitrary depth.) < 1085674118 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't familiar with that < 1085674131 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope it indeed was 'pick'. < 1085674136 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't been doing forth much lately. < 1085674222 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and the playfield was redefined from the older "80x25-unit torus-grid" to "infinite lahey-space" < 1085674233 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1085674250 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, in 93 there's 80x25 'cells' to play with? < 1085674269 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1085674290 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a strictly conforming befunge93 interpreter/compiler/thing, that is. < 1085674323 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1085674401 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some smaller limits in languages is what i've always liked < 1085674404 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and another difference: '93 had a defined 8-bit playfield and 32-bit stack. in funge98 the actual amount of bits is implementation-defined, but stack cells and playfield cells will be the same size. < 1085674425 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly 32 bits, I guess. < 1085674449 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1085674467 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can put anything from the stack to the playfield without having to worry about it being too big. < 1085674475 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1085674551 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't pretty useful to have 32-bit stack and 8-bit playfield in 93'? < 1085674599 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's the way it is. < 1085674604 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1085674636 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorta-makes sense. the playfield is "text", composed of eight-bit octets, and the stack isn't 8-bit to allow you to calculate with larger numbers. < 1085674651 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1085674670 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actully it sounds pretty logical when you said it that way :) < 1085674763 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit off-topic, do you know any language that would have less instructions that bf's 8? < 1085674781 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. I'm just bad in remembering these. < 1085674785 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1085674789 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how they work.. < 1085674790 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was the one-instruction assembly language. < 1085674801 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1085674889 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now when i think about it probably some language could be made with three instructions probablu < 1085674900 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, there. oisc. < 1085674906 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1085674915 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one variant being a language with a single "substract and branch if negative" instruction. < 1085674922 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hawaga.org.uk/text/oisc1.html < 1085674926 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheers < 1085675002 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably heard about them first in the retrocomputing museum site linked from that page. < 1085675025 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has disappeared, it seems. < 1085675031 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad :( < 1085675053 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, just a broken link. google finds it easily enough. < 1085675075 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good :) < 1085675174 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would recommend you to see the 'pilot' link there, but it seems to be broken. < 1085675188 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :severe link rot in the internet nowadays. < 1085675204 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1085675371 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AUTHOR'S DISCLAIMER < 1085675371 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't blame me for the language design; I think it's wretched, too, < 1085675371 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I only did this implementation for the hack value. Finally, a < 1085675371 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*real* language that's as perverse and limiting as INTERCAL... < 1085675382 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :writes esr in his pilot interpreter READ.ME file. < 1085675403 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1085675416 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds nice < 1085675487 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd recommend reading the standard and the comments.mm from the same pilot distribution, it was loads of fun, but I'm not sure finding those online would be very easy. it's IEEE standard 1154-1991. < 1085675519 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1085675533 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try to see if i find something someday < 1085675539 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esr's implementation is for example in gehennom.org/~fizban/tmp/pilot-1.7.tar.gz (since I found it in my ~/tmp/ still.) < 1085675557 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the standard too, but I'm not sure where I put it. < 1085675580 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not in ~/txt/ for some reason. < 1085675664 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that standard number seems bogus. < 1085675680 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1154-1991.pdf archived [Bus Architecture/Microprocessor/Microcomputer]" < 1085675839 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, no. < 1085675842 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct it was. < 1085675844 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1154-1991 IEEE Standard for Programmed Inquiry, Learning, or Teaching (PILOT)" < 1085675898 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1085676015 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, i think i'll go now :( < 1085676030 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has been nice chatting, see you some other time :) < 1085676069 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll abuse hut's IEEE account to re-fetch the standard since I seem to have terminally misplaced it. < 1085676072 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye. < 1085676076 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1085676079 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1085679400 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys have talked for pages and pages. < 1085679448 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus|away < 1085680490 0 :edwinb!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1085681355 0 :edwinb!dcs3ecb@cs-186.dur.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1085682652 0 :Toreu1!qhmww@ool-45738c44.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1085682662 0 :Toreu1!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1085682674 0 :Toreu1!dxgqs@ool-45738c44.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1085682686 0 :Toreu1!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1085687980 0 :Keymaker!nobody@212-246-180-215.dial.tpo.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1085688083 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, does Daniel C., that brainf#ck coder, visit this place sometimes? < 1085688332 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes an apparition with the nickname 'dbc' indeed appears. usually it creates some sort of piece of ascii art. < 1085688350 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1085688358 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, thanks for info < 1085688377 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just thought it would be nice to talk him a bit sometime :) < 1085688421 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, see what happens in the beginning of http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/04.05.25 < 1085688521 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha interesting :D < 1085688557 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another example is http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/04.04.29 < 1085688577 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and .28 too. < 1085688784 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh strange stuff, but well made < 1085688806 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it's some brainfuck program that did those fractals? < 1085688880 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1085688898 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1085690661 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just curiously asking; how old is this channel? I mean how many year you've been here? < 1085690714 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's been very long. < 1085690734 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1085690736 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in one sets of my irc logs #esoteric.log was first opened Mon Dec 09 07:24:10 2002 < 1085690752 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1085690758 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not long time ago < 1085690884 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, my lists/lang-eso email folder has 840 messages. wouldn't have thought it that active. < 1085690895 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1085690910 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any way to read those in web? < 1085690952 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:08:17 +0000 (GMT) < 1085690957 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subject: [chat] Re: Esolang IRC channel < 1085690962 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so now we can be found at OPN, #esoteric (it's ours!). < 1085691005 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.sange.fi/archive/ should have the list archives. < 1085691019 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's been pretty silent lately. < 1085691039 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok - thanks a lot! :) < 1085692115 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting material., < 1085692281 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quux.befunge.org/jsbef for all your online computation needs :) < 1085692339 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly it's the only useful debugger I know that works in linux < 1085692351 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1085692362 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks very nice < 1085692724 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the glfunge98 debugger, which exists in approximately .2% of the parallel universes. not in this one, unfortunately. < 1085692794 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for wumpus cave generation, jsbef is a lot slower than bef86 < 1085692828 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the de-facto befunge93 benchmark" < 1085692834 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all that javascript optimisation and still a 10000x speed difference compared to simple assembly < 1085692840 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I've always used fibre when comparing interpreters. < 1085692859 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1085693157 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which maybe isn't the most balanced befunge program ever written. < 1085693166 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't measure stringmode speed at all, for example. :p < 1085693208 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, put/get may have "unnecessary" penalties < 1085693217 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like checking for illegal memory accesses :P < 1085693356 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a JIT style intepreter would have to do a lot of processing to deal with self-modification < 1085693486 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm. < 1085693505 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder how lindi's x86 compiler thing is doing. < 1085693943 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1085693959 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _almost_ wrote a befunge debugger < 1085693971 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not quite < 1085693972 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost? :) < 1085693987 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i wanted to write one. < 1085693987 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote one with single stepping in C and got bored :) < 1085694147 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that qualifies as almost, then all the almosts over the world should qualify as several quite functionals :) < 1085694207 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wrote the ti-86 debugger thing, and a ti-86 befunge interpreter. combine these two and you have a befunge debugger. < 1085694219 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not the easiest one, but still. < 1085694230 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mooz-: you wrote the ti86 interpreter? < 1085694233 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1085694254 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds pretty impressive < 1085694255 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've sort of looked at it < 1085694269 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it crashed :) < 1085694280 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wah :) < 1085694281 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was very impressive :) < 1085694305 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I think it crashes if there are no befunge programs on the calculator :> < 1085694316 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've played hunt-the-wumpus with it during boring math lectures in was-it-now-high-school-or-what-oh-the-school-systems-are-so-different-everywhere. < 1085694332 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1085694347 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i deleted it because actually _editing_ befunge programs was such a pain < 1085694356 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've done anything else that would be considered useful with it. < 1085694378 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote a bf interpreter in ti-basic, but my physics substitute teacher deleted it :| < 1085694385 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1085694391 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never did revenge him < 1085694393 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1085694397 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really bad luck :( < 1085694403 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's horrible :/ < 1085694405 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a 'furth' interpreter in ti-basic. a forth-clone/forth-based-language. < 1085694408 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was.. pretty slow? < 1085694410 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless writing a combinatory logic interpreter qualifies as revenge < 1085694416 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it probably does < 1085694445 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it understood s,k,i and * for output :) < 1085694465 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i nearly went mad designing it. < 1085694493 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can imagine < 1085694506 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ti-basic is one of the worst flavors ever < 1085694542 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't had a good change to test the language :( always too busy < 1085694551 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ti-basic i mean < 1085694555 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sufficiently broken to be considered esoteric < 1085694606 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if you use the calculator to input the code < 1085694625 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1085694639 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's any way to input characters like _ \ ` < 1085694667 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one has to make a string or basic program on the computer to do that :P < 1085694683 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one way to do that is with the befunge interpreter and put, right? < 1085694701 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :P < 1085694710 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then freeze the state < 1085694772 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the frozen program contains the altered playfield < 1085694849 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disgusting < 1085694862 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the assembly wasn't exactly better :) < 1085694886 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :z80 is nice < 1085694962 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however the supplied coding method of typing hex values might not be optimal < 1085694974 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but after you've managed to input them once, you can put them to custom menu and then you at least _can_ write befunge with the normal editor. < 1085694993 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although programs with >=20-character lines were problematic. < 1085695006 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno about z80 being nice < 1085695017 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is < 1085695025 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i just don't appreciate assembly < 1085695037 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like to learn it.. < 1085695048 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would certainly be cool to hack together some custom hardware using a z80 as the brain < 1085695083 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would require learning so much stuff it's not even funny. < 1085695083 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :z80 felt definitely nicer to write for than for example 6502. not that I'd have done much with either. < 1085695128 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament; thought about that at some point, but abandoned the idea due to massively sucking in electronics :P < 1085695129 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seven z80 cpus somewhere here, in case I ever felt like that. 'yleiselektroniikka' sold those for something like 0.50e/piece. < 1085695137 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most i have done in z80 was a program that converted a (hardcoded) number into a string like "three thousand eleven hundred fity one" < 1085695151 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: not connected to anything? < 1085695172 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an fpga platform from xilinx might be fun for practising with an fpga though < 1085695172 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inside a plastic tube-like cover. not connected, no. < 1085695181 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vhdl isn't that bad < 1085695183 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my biggest z80 program is the md5 algo and OTP-key-calculator. < 1085695245 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, building custom stuff with a z80 is significantly harder than with pic-like chips. z80 cpu needs external memory and a set of supportive chips. < 1085695250 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was playing around with the idea of a chip for interpreting intercal < 1085695264 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :select and butterfly are ridiculously expensive < 1085695274 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while a hardware butterfly is just some wires crossed < 1085695283 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were supposed to build us befunge processor, not intercal-optimized ones. < 1085695295 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :select is no more complex than a multiply < 1085695312 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie; yeah, but then thought it'd be slower than an interpreter running on a modern pc < 1085695313 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you know hardware/electronics stuff? < 1085695349 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament; no, but I have the z80 book from zilog somewhere, and after looking at it I indefinitely postponed any z80-based electronic-building-projects. < 1085695361 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :( < 1085695374 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you gave the book to me I think :P < 1085695374 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, I hate soldering stuff together, mainly because I so much suck at it. < 1085695389 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's definitely one book here that wasn't before < 1085695396 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly. < 1085695398 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :electronics stuff sounds so cool and exciting. < 1085695410 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vhdl would be a sane way to do it < 1085695424 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds cool and exciting, but in the end you've left with a lump of solder and the smell of burning plastic. < 1085695431 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ve/re/ < 1085695432 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need to mess with any hardware, just write code and synthesize the logic :) < 1085695461 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the existing test platforms have serial, parallel and vga ports < 1085695507 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the very least i want one of those small LCDs that one could hack to connect to the serial port and display uptime < 1085695522 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even that requires much more skills, knowledge and equipment than i posess :( < 1085695557 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a 20x4 alphanumeric lcd here. < 1085695565 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just waiting for someone to solder the connections. :p < 1085695585 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soldering is a huge pain :/ < 1085695605 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could get a breadboard < 1085695638 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a pain just to solder some wires to a normal socket < 1085695649 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't really need any _knowledge_ for that, though, the thing is directly interfaceable to a normal parallel port. 8 data lines into the chip, few status/output lines that can be tied into the parallel port control lines (out of paper, on/offline and stuff). < 1085695684 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you have to solder then? < 1085695706 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 12+ wires onto the lcd display, and the same wires into a d25 connector. < 1085695746 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think our attempt to solder 5 wires into one DIN resulted in 3 being connected at one point < 1085695753 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it went downwards again < 1085695754 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes. < 1085695764 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a 5-din connector is relatively big. < 1085695799 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1085695809 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what equipment would i need to start with electronics stuff? < 1085695826 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A soldering iron, a breadboard, a multimeter - is that all? < 1085695833 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much < 1085695838 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heaps of patience. < 1085695841 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some components, obviously < 1085695843 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-shaky hands. < 1085695882 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1085695908 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some 10+ years ago I built few of those "kit contains a pcb, the required components and assembly instructions" kits with a friend. < 1085695970 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then what happened? < 1085695974 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course soldering stuff into a pre-made pcb with ~1cm empty spaces between stuff I could accidentally mess up I managed to do. < 1085696058 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the easiest way is to get a breadboard with pre-made connectors going in one direction < 1085696071 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then a small drill for severing them as necessary < 1085696089 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have few pieces of that. < 1085696148 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some thin wire for doing connections in the perpendicular direction < 1085696182 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way soldering points can be as far apart as one wants < 1085696189 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never even seen a breadboard, but they sure sound sexy < 1085696267 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it helps to have a simple but important project < 1085696287 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as interfacing to a 1570 floppy drive :P < 1085696338 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a floppy drive made in 1570? < 1085696347 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost < 1085696354 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's for the C64/C128 < 1085696364 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1085696369 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gehennom.org/~fizban/tmp/lcd.jpg < 1085696394 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a 20x4-character lcd screen. < 1085696410 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing under it is a normal-sized cd so you could see the size. < 1085696437 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem to fit in a 5.25" drive bay < 1085696448 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit too high, yes. < 1085696474 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a row of 16 contacts, and I should attach and solder a wire into all of them, without any pieces of metal touching each other. < 1085696509 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the main reason the display's not connected to anything and spends its time in a vaguely pink plastic bag under (other) heaps of junk here. < 1085696510 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll go, good nite < 1085696511 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1085696512 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where would all those wires lead to? < 1085696558 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parallel port connector? < 1085696597 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 would go to the output lines of a pc parallel port, "a few" (4? 5?) would go to the out/in/both status-lines of a pc parallel port, two would connect to a +5v dc power supply, and one would hold a potentiometer-thing controlling the brightness of the backlight. < 1085696756 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can check out http://www.powertip.com.tw/product/PC%20SERIES/PC%201602F.PDF if you really want to know. < 1085696821 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1085696823 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also had the programming instructions somewhere. < 1085696833 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and from that pdf you're supposed to understand how to wire it? < 1085696860 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, from that and all the other documentation in the interweb about interfacing lcd displays with a pc parallel port. < 1085696898 0 :Toreun!fcajv@ool-45738c44.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1085696978 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, uh, the stuff in http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~ih/doc/par/ < 1085697014 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the "what wire goes where" aspect of this thing that causes trouble, it's the physical act of getting the damn things connected the way I'd want them to be. < 1085697096 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I'd just want to write the code to control that thing. < 1085697106 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Tech Support: "Sir...the 286 chip is soldered on the motherboard!" < 1085697107 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Customer: "I know, I took out my handy soldering iron and took it out and put the 486 on myself." < 1085697107 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Tech Support: "Sir, the 486 is bigger than the 286." < 1085697107 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Customer: "I know, I had to use quite a bit of solder to solder the extra pins together." < 1085697114 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish it worked like that < 1085697173 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. back in your pink plastic back you go, little lcd, to wait for better times. < 1085697188 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you get married < 1085697193 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your wife will do it for you < 1085697209 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking more about the time when I have my very own robotic servant I can tell to do the soldering. < 1085697215 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's a far more likely outcome. < 1085697252 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course there's the problem that robots always turn against humans. < 1085697273 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe I could persuade it to solder my lcd display before it kills me. < 1085697276 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do wives < 1085697289 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably 50/50 with those < 1085697318 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same as robots, really < 1085697477 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you'll wait until you get a bald, green head, learn telekinesis, start wearing a skin-colored human mask and worship a large atomic bomb < 1085697482 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bound to happen < 1085697498 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the telekinesis may then help) < 1085697593 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can learn telekinesis already. < 1085697615 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need to buy a $30 CD, with superliminal hypnotic programming. < 1085697615 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned this from the internet. < 1085697981 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt.folklore.computers tells of their variant of hexadecimal notation, where the digits were 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, K, S, N, J, F, L. < 1085697999 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"0xK7NL1JSS" < 1085698041 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er s/their/a system called ORDVAC's/ < 1085698224 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonedrful < 1085698236 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do those letters stand for? < 1085698447 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea. selected presumedly for legibility reasons instead of the usual [a-f] set. < 1085698468 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Through arrangements made by Dean L. N. Ridenour, the University of Illinois began construction of ORDVAC about 15 April 1949" < 1085698489 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my birthday, only 34 years earlier. < 1085698527 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the arithmetic unit in it can do a multiply in 700 microseconds. impressive! < 1085698614 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" When ORDVAC was delivered to the Ballistic Research Laboratory its input device was a standard-speed five hole teletype tape reader and its output a teletype page printer. With this equipment, the time necessary to load the entire memory of 1,024 addresses was 38 minutes. The time required to print the contents of the entire memory was the same." < 1085698623 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things have definitely changed since then. < 1085698840 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an 'address'? < 1085698843 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a byte? < 1085698850 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5-bit? < 1085698858 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 bit? < 1085698908 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite sure. it seems to use "electrostatic memory" built with cathode-ray tubes. < 1085698928 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but if the teletype reader had 5 holes < 1085698934 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5-bit seems logical < 1085698946 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's "1024 words" < 1085698967 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1085698975 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's logical that words would be 10-bit < 1085698983 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :40-bit words, actually. < 1085698991 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, fuck logic then :) < 1085699017 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :words sizes usually haven't had that much to do with logic. < 1085699022 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the total memory of 40960 bit? < 1085699038 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sure, but you need 10 bits to address a space of 1024 addresses < 1085699044 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 40 bits < 1085699050 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they later added an 10032-word magnetic drum. < 1085699074 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but you'd want to calculate with quantities >10 bits. < 1085699091 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1085699108 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never < 1085699127 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even later replaced the electrostatic memory with a 4096--word 'magnetic core memory'. < 1085699145 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :high-tech < 1085699151 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1085699163 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have somewhere here an orange book that tells how to convert algol-60 programs to fortran-2/4 programs. < 1085699206 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't try to teach any of the languages, only what kind of fortran structures to convert algol structures to, and vice versa. < 1085699214 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, http://www.norvig.com/palindrome.html < 1085699220 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the book includes a few dozen pages filled with machine word sizes. < 1085700470 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament; I think there's finnish palindromes with several hundred words at least, which make up a semi-coherent story < 1085700527 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more like a comma-separated list < 1085700597 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probabyl because all finnish words are palindromes < 1085700601 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1085700619 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have the same general structure < 1085700620 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english isn't very suitable for them and finnish is the best suited language I know, that is true < 1085700623 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VCCV < 1085700634 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where V and V is the same vowel < 1085700639 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and C and C is the same consonant :) < 1085700648 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saippuakauppias is a word someone might seriously use < 1085700657 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soap salesman < 1085700684 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a not-so-coherent english palidrome story that was about 2000 bytes long awhile ago < 1085700684 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some language the word 'palindrome' is a palindrome. < 1085700704 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1085700720 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the word meaning the same as 'palindrome', rather :) < 1085700728 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the word designating the concept of palindrome < 1085700732 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, semantics < 1085700802 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the word that means palindrome" < 1085700861 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>In any case, does anyone remember any other variant forms of < 1085700861 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> hexadecimal inflicted on the long-suffering computer programmer? < 1085700861 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0123456789STUVWX < 1085700862 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the first machine I ever programmed (or used), the mighty Monrobot XI < 1085700882 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1085700896 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOP would be neat < 1085700910 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wazzoobar < 1085700922 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better yet, the 16 most common letters of the englihs alphabet < 1085700956 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i have implemented that as a "string encoding" once, for storing two characters in one byte) < 1085700979 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mooz; wouldn't that be WizzooBar. < 1085700986 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1085701007 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone with the nick juuichiketajin posted a way to convert any number into a metasyntactic variable name < 1085701027 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a sed script which does that for relatively big numbers. < 1085701112 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :errrr. did my brain just misfire? seems the sed script was about turning numbers to english text-representation. < 1085701131 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have a C shared library (libfoo) to do it. :p < 1085701140 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never run out of good variable names when 1234567890 can be converted into FizzooBarDazzleBuzzazWazzooHizzooSpooRazzleKuzzinkKazzankKizzonk. < 1085701229 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9aqupt%24hd4%241%40bob.news.rcn.net has the original post. < 1085701251 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.hut.fi/~jjarvi1/foo2.scm shows them in action < 1085701276 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with all the Zs < 1085701298 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the "foo.scm" next to that foo2.scm printed out with my dot matrix printer and on my wall. < 1085701304 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the output it produces. < 1085701326 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo bar baz woo hoo spoo kink kank konk fizzoo fizzoofoo fizzoobar... < 1085701340 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the izz/azz/uzz designate 10, 100, 1000 < 1085701363 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :char * foo_val[9][2] = { < 1085701363 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"F", "oo"}, {"B", "ar"}, {"B", "az"}, < 1085701363 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"W", "oo"}, {"H", "oo"}, {"Sp", "oo"}, < 1085701363 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"K", "ink"}, {"K", "ank"}, {"K", "onk"} < 1085701363 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :}; < 1085701365 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :char * foo_add[4] = {"", "izz", "azz", "uzz"}; < 1085701368 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :char * foo_div[4] = {"Razzle", "Dazzle", "Giggle", "Wiggle"}; < 1085701374 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what my libfoo used. < 1085701404 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure where the Giggle and Wiggle came from. < 1085701412 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily you get quite a few names before having to resort to giggling < 1085701418 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid I came up with those < 1085701460 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a random metasyntactic variable: FizzooWooGiggleKuzzinkBazzazBizzarKonkDazzleKuzzankWazzooKizzinkBarRazzleKuzzonkBazzazKizzankWoo < 1085701542 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose they could be used as jump targets and the assembler could turn them into a memory address < 1085701568 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful for jumping into a preset location somewhere, and pretending there's a label < 1085701594 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next time I write a disassembler or a decompiler or something that needs to generate lost labels, I'll just foo-convert the values of the labels. < 1085701615 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goto WuzzooBazzazKizzonkKankDazzleKuzzinkWazzooKizzonkKankRazzleBuzzarBazzazKizzinkHoo; < 1085701652 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :symbolic==good < 1085701658 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1085701662 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :witness the power of DNS < 1085701673 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this metasyntactic system makes DNS obsolete, though < 1085701677 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1085701680 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need for resolvers. < 1085701682 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's google.com in metasyntactic? < 1085701697 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google has a lot of addresses. < 1085701712 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BuzzarFazzooSpizzooBarDazzleBuzzazKazzonkBazRazzleKuzzinkKizzonkKonk would be one. < 1085701724 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy to remember. < 1085701732 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Requires no overhead. < 1085701737 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(using the three-digit decimal way to convert the address. could use a 32-bit value.) < 1085701783 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so obviously BizzazHooDazzleKuzzinkBazzarWizzooWooRazzleBuzzarWazzooSpizzooKink is another way to say the same thing. < 1085701835 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they even look similar. < 1085702111 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you see, (i=BizzazHooDazzleKuzzinkBazzarWizzooWooRazzleBuzzarWazzooSpizzooKink, ((i>>BizzarWoo)&BazzarHizzooHoo)*FizzooDazzle + ((i>>FizzooSpoo)&BazzarHizzooHoo)*FazzooRazzle + ((i>>Kank)&BazzarHizzooHoo)*Fuzzoo) would evaluate to BuzzarFazzooSpizzooBarDazzleBuzzazKazzonkBazRazzleKuzzinkKizzonkKonk. < 1085702157 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nngh. obviously I mean: ((i>>BizzarWoo)&BazzarHizzooHoo)*FizzooDazzle + ((i>>FizzooSpoo)&BazzarHizzooHoo)*FazzooRazzle + ((i>>Kank)&BazzarHizzooHoo)*Fuzzoo + (i&BazzarHizzooHoo) < 1085702213 0 :deltab!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1085702222 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curiously, also the japanese use 10000 as the point where a new unit name is used < 1085702240 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, could be related to the inventor's origins < 1085702300 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just as logical and a lot more compact < 1085702929 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think 999 would be a good point. < 1085702941 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the system is decimal overall, but with a larger unit of 999 < 1085702998 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0, 1, 2, ..., 10, 11, 12, ... 99, 100, 101, ... 997, 998, A1, A2 < 1085703161 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :base-42 with 42 suitable digit symbols might be nice too. < 1085703173 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1085703187 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking more seriously, base 12 would be excellent. < 1085703353 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is 12 better than 6? < 1085703371 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mooz-: shorter numbers, obviously < 1085703377 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mooz-: also divisible by four which is nice < 1085703394 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sufficiently close to 10 so that we know it would work well < 1085704304 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, is there a cpu tarpit? < 1085707310 0 :cedricshock!~cedric@209-181-58-5.eugn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1085711383 0 :calamari_!JeffryJohn@as07-pho-az-205-186-110-239.rasserver.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1085714437 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/" < 1085714458 0 :Toreun!jsbypl@ool-45738c44.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1085715576 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1085728944 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1085729171 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.30.unused.swcp.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1085731199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1085731200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1085734929 0 :kosmikus|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus < 1085735695 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1085735794 0 :cedricshock!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1085736038 0 :lament!~lament@S01060050baab2c59.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1085740023 0 :Keymaker!nobody@212-246-180-30.dial.tpo.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1085741181 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning. < 1085741199 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1085741247 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dcb been here? < 1085741925 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1085741940 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok' < 1085741940 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what, we others are not good enough for you?" < 1085741946 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1085741979 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noo, i just want to change a couple of words with him, that guy seems to be genius < 1085742338 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we are. < 1085742349 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ok :) < 1085742369 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we - 1 to be exact, i'm not too bright < 1085742389 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1085742630 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/me is relatively away. trying to teach myself dsp here, since the person who wrote this library I'm supposed to convert from floating-point math to integer math (to run on the phone, you see) doesn't work for us any longer. < 1085742711 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, good luck < 1085744140 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dsp guide is very encouraging. "Warning! Don't try to understand the shape of the real and imaginary parts: your head will explode!" < 1085744158 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1085745596 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm, really strange, one cd I bought smells like chicken noodles.. *confused* < 1085748444 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm, it's Back to the Future time. See you in the future. < 1085748447 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or past. < 1085748447 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1085755911 0 :grumpy_old_one!~user@bohica.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1085759220 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1085759220 0 :edwinb!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1085759272 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.30.unused.swcp.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1085760035 0 :edwinb!dcs3ecb@cs-186.dur.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1085765124 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus|away < 1085770051 0 :calamari_!JeffryJohn@as03-pho-az-205-186-106-150.rasserver.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1085774835 0 :Keymaker!nobody@212-246-180-155.dial.tpo.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1085774847 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiya < 1085774980 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi keymaker < 1085774984 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1085775206 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evening. < 1085775267 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evening < 1085775272 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :been here the whole day? :) < 1085775330 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the c parser is pretty much done < 1085775380 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, what the parser means? < 1085775436 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keymaker: it takes a c source file and decides what the tokens are .. like "int" "main" "(" ")" "{" .. etc < 1085775439 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on your definition of being. < 1085775455 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1085775480 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari_ : what are you going to use this C parser for? another C compiler? < 1085775494 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember to parse 'a+++++b' to 'a', '++', '++', '+', 'b' (instead of a ++ + ++ b) < 1085775497 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. I've never written a c compiler before < 1085775517 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does that.. but I can double check :) < 1085775561 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: stuff like that is one of the reasons I never finished a non-esoteric compiler < 1085775630 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably most parsers would do it like that, the latter choice needs more intelligence. (and goes against the Standard.) < 1085775638 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way I did the operators was reading 2 characters at a time, then checking in a string like this "++--+ - (etc)" it will find a match with 2 chars before a match with one.. it recognizes the space as a wildcard < 1085775759 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked fine BD BD BE (or ++ ++ +) < 1085775795 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with spaces it will do a++ + ++b < 1085775827 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc, with c you use the largest operator that matches < 1085775906 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Standard says, and I quote ISO/IEC 9899:1999, chapter 6.4, section 4: "If the input stream has been parsed into preprocessing tokens up to a given character, the next preprocessing token is the longest sequence of characters that could constitute a preprocessing token." < 1085775923 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus one exception to that. < 1085775939 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what I said in better english :) < 1085775994 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the exception? < 1085776007 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the exception is: "a header name preprocessing token is only recognized within a #include preprocessing directive, and within such a directive, a sequence of characters that could be either a header name or a string literal is recognized as the former." < 1085776076 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh.. I won't be supporting #includes so I'm good < 1085776090 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a c compiler without #includes? < 1085776093 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's not a C compiler you're writing. < 1085776102 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not in the normal way.. because bf doesn't really work well with file i/o :) < 1085776122 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this c compiler is in bf? < 1085776150 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toreun: not yet.. can't bootstrap until I finish < 1085776178 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a 'c compiler compiling to brainf*ck' or a 'c compiler written in brainf*ck compiling to foo'? < 1085776184 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toreun: I did the bfbasic compiler, so once I get past all the extra expression stuff in c it shouldn't be much different < 1085776194 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1085776197 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 'c compiler compiling to brainf*ck' < 1085776205 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. that makes more sense. < 1085776206 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh that's interesting < 1085776215 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting :) < 1085776217 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it optimize? < 1085776222 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not :) < 1085776227 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1085776253 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone (maybe you?) was talking about creating a brainf*ck target for gcc. although I think that might be even harder to write than a simple "C" compiler. < 1085776257 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a breakthrough on how I would handle memory and pointers, so I decided to go for it < 1085776258 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though having loops upon loops upon loops would definitely be fun < 1085776268 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, that was me.. I gave up on the idea < 1085776286 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I wouldn't want to have to create a Standard-conforming C compiler. < 1085776303 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I checked gcc, sdcc, tcc, lcc.. none were easy to write a backend for < 1085776338 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a nice example of the language used in the Standard, see http://gehennom.org/~fizban/tmp/restrict.html < 1085776373 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm trying my best not to do things intentionally against the standard (i.e. void main()), but at the same time I'm leaving things out < 1085776412 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so if someone wants to add on, they can < 1085776466 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow.. the memory system is basically a giant array on top of memory. I think I'm going with 32-bit pointers < 1085776501 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way I can go to any memory cell I want without < > headaches < 1085776576 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goto's will be handled similarly to bfbasic, but I think I'll make them 16-bit. function names will be 6 characters long and follow the same idea < 1085776622 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 'bfbasic' some program released? < 1085776651 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, http://lilly.csoft.net/~jeffryj/compilers/bfbasic/bfbasic.html < 1085776657 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheers < 1085776693 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote it in java.. that was so much easier than c < 1085776714 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you writing this c compiler in, then? < 1085776722 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c this time < 1085776766 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds like really hard job to do, how long you've been working on it? < 1085776774 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two days < 1085776780 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1085776798 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, good luck with it :) < 1085776824 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. it shouldn't be as bad as last time, because most of the bf code has already been written < 1085776827 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks tho :) < 1085776911 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what memory limitations are you gonna have? I notice your basic one only supports 256 variables < 1085776917 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if any) < 1085777032 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toreun: 32-bit memory, variable names will be stored in some perverted kind of linked list (no structs), so hopefully no limit there. 65536 labels per function < 1085777187 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a standard for that? < 1085777208 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what < 1085777313 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually 65534 labels, because 0 would be reserved for exit and 1 for return < 1085777403 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. 0 could be a function call instead, that would handle exit < 1085777420 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still deciding on certain things ;) < 1085777467 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm not sure how big a stack I'll need < 1085777490 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops I just made a stupid mistake with the arguments for my bf interpreter < 1085777518 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of? < 1085777530 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rewriting my interpreter with the debugging dump < 1085777545 0 :cedric_!~cedric@209-181-58-5.eugn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1085777564 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toreun: but, hopefully to answer your question, there isn't much of a standard for memory size anyways, is there? < 1085777589 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. wow, 16 people in this room, is that a record or something < 1085777607 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toreun: the program just grows with > to the right.. it's up to the bf interp/comp to handle big memory < 1085777626 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Standard specifies a few lowest possible limits for c. < 1085777721 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :127 nesting levels of blocks, 63 nesting levels of conditional inclusion, 12 pointer, array, and function declarators (in any order) modifying an arithmetic, structure, union or incomplete type in a declaration, 63 nesting levels of parenthesized declarators within a full declarator. < 1085777785 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are blocks.. is that what I'm calling a function call? < 1085777812 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything with {}s probably. I'll look at the formal definition soon. < 1085777816 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :63 nesting levels of parenthesized expressions within a full expression, 63 significant initial characters in an internal identifier or macro name (you'll be failing this?). < 1085777823 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's okay.. not a big deal < 1085777836 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something broken in my pdf, makes no sense, apparently few lines are missing. < 1085777880 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erh, ok. < 1085777890 0 :calamari-!JeffryJohn@as01-pho-az-205-186-104-43.rasserver.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1085777898 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh :) < 1085777910 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, you've been cloned < 1085777915 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah,.. I was thinking about handling longer function names but it would slow things down a lot < 1085777984 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use the name to emulate a jump (checks each label until it finds the one matching the call) < 1085777984 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"31 significant characters in an external identifier (each universal character name specifying a short identifier of 0000FFFF or less is considered 6 characters, each universal character name specifying a short identifier of 00010000 or more is considered 10 characters, and each extended source character is considered the same number of characters as the corresponding universal character name, if any)" < 1085778088 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :127 function parameters in a function/macro call or a declaration. < 1085778131 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice lists of requirements there. < 1085778147 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I won't be following the exact c standard < 1085778164 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember to implement trigraphs, everyone loves those. < 1085778164 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I couldn't call it c then? :) < 1085778180 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the person that loves them can implement them, then ;) < 1085778244 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, it's a simple thing to do, just translate trigraphs to "real characters" in some suitable preprocessing phase. < 1085778251 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want to get things working first before adding features (like bfbasic last time, it started off way primitive) < 1085778308 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually the only sensible suitable stage is before anything else, trigraphs need to be replaced before any other processing takes place.) < 1085778317 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are floats being implemented? < 1085778344 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you gonna create a float library for bf? < 1085778366 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad there isn't a trigraph for ';', otherwise the comp.lang.c practice of writing ;-less valid C programs would be a lot easier. < 1085778404 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should shut up about Standard C, it's not that esoteric after all. < 1085778423 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toreun: they're not being implemented < 1085778458 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a question < 1085778468 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can I do signed variables < 1085778543 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of doing it the asm way, but there are problems with it, because on negative numbers + and - are swapped < 1085778567 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the asm way"? < 1085778630 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you store larger-than-char variables anyway? as consecutive bytes in the brainf*ck array? < 1085778690 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am thinking your compiler will possibly generate rather large brainf*ck files. < 1085778708 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah , "consecutive" isn't right next to each other tho, because there is overhead in the bf array < 1085778720 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah they will be huge :) < 1085778742 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you guys need to start writing bf code optimizers :P < 1085778793 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it will be even worse than bfbasic, because of the extra mmemory/array limits I imposed on bfbasic < 1085778884 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1085778909 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was supposed to write a scheme interpreter in postscript once. < 1085778920 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's still in the 'planning' stage mostly. < 1085778955 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were few ways I could "cheat", like use the built-in gc provided by recent enough postscript environments, but then it wouldn't run in all printers. < 1085779231 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, one of our local tv channels will show the 'dark star' movie. < 1085779252 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now? < 1085779261 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow. < 1085779265 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1085779273 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better remember :) < 1085779289 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I think they (or some other channel) showed it relatively recently. < 1085779295 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it made ~no sense anyway. < 1085779299 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks for the c specs, btw. I probably won't end up following them, but at least I can make a better note in the docs of where things are lacking < 1085779335 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm rather sure that not even 'gcc -ansi -pedantic -trigraphs' follows the spec to the letter. < 1085779690 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, actually I was reading from the c99 spec, and gcc even officially only partially support that. < 1085779721 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder where I have misplaced my (non-physical) copy of c89/c90. < 1085780839 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1085780840 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1085780913 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a noisy channel this has become. where are the weeks of silence we used to have? < 1085780925 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you miss them so much? < 1085780932 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cause if you do, we could +q everybody. < 1085780980 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1085781005 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, +q, that funky danced-ircd feature. < 1085781030 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't have it over there in ircnet. < 1085781906 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1085781937 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there only one optimizing brainfuck compiler? < 1085781991 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there can be only one. < 1085782110 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm serious! < 1085782114 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very! < 1085782168 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nada.kth.se/~matslina/awib/ < 1085782205 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one doesn't really optimize much < 1085782286 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall a javascript thing did pretty nice "code optimization" for the 'trace' command output. < 1085782528 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, when I input "++++[>+<-]" and press 'execute-trace', it outputs "p[0] += 4 (= 4)" "p[1] += p[0] (= 4)" "p[0] = 0" into the trace window. < 1085782561 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't do anything _too_ clever, though, and I haven't looked at the actual interpreter itself. is at http://home.planet.nl/~faase009/Ha_bf_online.html anyway. < 1085782697 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1085782850 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there's a "compile to C" button. < 1085782858 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hasn't even noticed. < 1085782858 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1085782861 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1085782867 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/has/had/ < 1085782884 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1085783736 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1085783913 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1085783926 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll go, good night everyone. :) < 1085783933 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1085787219 0 :dbc!ttm@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1085787246 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1085787735 0 :cedric_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :cedricshock < 1085794715 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1085802814 0 :Toreun!~Toreun@ool-45738c44.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1085814815 0 :Keymaker!nobody@212-246-180-60.dial.tpo.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1085814831 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiya < 1085815039 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1085815219 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1085815280 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon i'll have to go and get my something-paper-where-is-grades 'cos summer break (!!) starts.. < 1085815348 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon I'll have to go since it's 2 AM by me < 1085815353 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe :) < 1085815369 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i quit yesterday ~hour berofe that time < 1085815401 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only awake now because I'm playing bridge online on Yahoo Games < 1085815410 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1085815416 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't tried that game < 1085815445 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned it in Calculus < 1085815455 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's after the AP exam, so I don't have anything else do to in class) < 1085815466 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1085815526 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's surprisingly a lot of fun < 1085815535 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet < 1085815536 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bridge, not the AP exam) < 1085815543 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1085815594 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many things that seem to be boring at first sight often happen to be very interesting/fun < 1085815605 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like programming esoteric languages < 1085815614 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly :) < 1085815622 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or programming in general < 1085815632 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1085815640 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on language a lot < 1085815653 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and depends on what you're writing < 1085815658 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1085815664 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's most important < 1085815670 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one reason why I'm probably not going to take up programming as a career < 1085815680 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1085815682 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i see < 1085815702 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing something 24/7 you don't like isn't a dream job < 1085815712 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1085815730 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but too bad, clock is ticking fast, i need to go that i don't miss the stuff there < 1085815733 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night :) < 1085815740 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'night < 1085815743 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1085817599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1085817600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1085818946 0 :lament!~lament@S01060050baab2c59.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1085819496 0 :dbc!ttm@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1085822398 0 :cedricshock!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1085844204 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1085844589 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"you have no chance to survive make your time." < 1085857013 0 :Toreun!wlcvjq@ool-45738c44.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1085873186 0 :grumpy_old_one!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ERC Version 4.0 $Revision: 1.600 $ (IRC client for Emacs)" < 1085903999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1085904000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1085905619 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1085937221 0 :Keymaker!nobody@212-246-180-208.dial.tpo.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1085937235 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, home sweet home :) < 1085937445 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you missed dbc. :p < 1085937478 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nNOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! < 1085937494 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew this, i knew this! < 1085937506 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something good had to happen when i was away for a day.. < 1085937516 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:27:31 -!- dbc [ttm@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com] has joined #esoteric < 1085937517 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:15:54 -!- cedricshock [~cedric@209-181-58-5.eugn.qwest.net] has quit ["Leaving"] < 1085937520 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:19:19 -!- Toreun [~Toreun@ool-45738c44.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] < 1085937523 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:25:43 -!- dbc [ttm@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com] has quit ["you have no chance to survive make your time."] < 1085937526 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from yesterday. < 1085937539 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1085937566 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot idling i see < 1085937591 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i hopefully he's here next saturday -- or week < 1085937654 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i hope (small correction to the above ^) < 1085937853 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'll probably visit the moment you decide to drop from irc. < 1085937864 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1085937874 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad i can't keep this always on :( < 1085938418 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it wouldn't much help if you were away. except you'd get to see him join and quit. < 1085938464 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i could try to say something between that joining and quiting time :) < 1085938506 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(looking at those logs you posted seems he was here ~7 hours) < 1085938751 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is true. < 1085938763 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we do some pretty advanced idling here. < 1085938977 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1085938980 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1085938985 0 :edwinb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION idles < 1085939689 0 :TheHunter!~TheHunter@pD9EE4D5C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1085940967 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, i have to got < 1085940972 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1085940985 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i pressed accidentally enter, i'll write the message again < 1085941012 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, i have to go and start baking a pizza :( i'll be back later < 1085941425 0 :TheHunter!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1085943893 0 :K!nobody@212-246-180-224.dial.tpo.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1085943928 0 :K!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, what was the command to change name.. /nick? < 1085943933 0 :K!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :t < 1085943952 0 :t!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Keymaker[-] < 1085943961 0 :Keymaker[-]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1085944011 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is confused < 1085944134 0 :Keymaker[-]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1085944291 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind < 1085944342 0 :Keymaker[-]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o k < 1085944445 0 :Keymaker[-]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, how's your day Toreun? been working on anything? :) < 1085944939 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been pretty good < 1085944941 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :working on my website < 1085944946 0 :Keymaker[-]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i see < 1085944948 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1085944957 0 :Keymaker[-]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1085944963 0 :Keymaker[-]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it in web yet? < 1085944966 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1085944977 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided to play Microsoft and release an unfinished product < 1085944982 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toreun.org < 1085944984 0 :Keymaker[-]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1085944998 0 :Keymaker[-]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll take a look < 1085945062 0 :Keymaker[-]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooh :o Very nice design there! < 1085945106 0 :Keymaker[-]!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Keymaker < 1085945112 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1085945118 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of redesigning it a bit < 1085945127 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess because I'm never satisfied < 1085945131 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1085945140 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm kinda same when it comes to designing something < 1085945153 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm never totally happy with my works < 1085945159 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I designed it a few weeks ago, I thought it looked really nice, then I took a look at sites like 1976design.com and simplebits.com and I feel, well, humbled < 1085945252 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here... my contentment with a project usually only lasts a few days, if at all < 1085945262 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1085945271 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here < 1085945293 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and gotta say that SimpleBits looks really nice as well < 1085945389 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know... I wish I could match those webdesign skills < 1085945428 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're skills are good enough < 1085945433 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my skills.. ugh.. < 1085945439 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 1976design I like because of the header he's made - it changes based on the weather < 1085945458 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeh < 1085945479 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main problem with my CSS-ability is I'm not good at making things compatible on every browser < 1085945503 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :know that feeling < 1085945516 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just today found a technique I could use to make my website center on IE as well as Moz < 1085945527 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1085945564 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I didn't have to contend with IE, but unfortunately it's used by 75% of the population < 1085945571 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1085945573 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1085945581 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone was actually recommending writing css that exploited a css parsing bug in ie-5 to make the margins work the same way in ie 5 that they do in other browsers. < 1085945607 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1085945609 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE-5 has many CSS bugs < 1085945614 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet < 1085945623 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has other bugs as well :) < 1085945623 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE6 just doesn't know how to render things < 1085945626 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1085945639 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I still don't think this: < 1085945640 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :margin-left: 199px; < 1085945640 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :voice-family: "\"}\""; < 1085945640 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :voice-family: inherit; < 1085945640 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :margin-left: 201px; < 1085945644 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the way to go. < 1085945701 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wha do you mean? < 1085945720 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an IE hack < 1085945727 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1085945737 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do? < 1085945747 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes ie5 stop parsing the css entry on that "\"}\"" < 1085945750 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE sees the } < 1085945751 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1085945765 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wouldn't write css like that, even if it was the only way to make things ie5-compatible. < 1085945770 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too ugly. < 1085945786 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another problem is IE5 isn't used by many people < 1085945788 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not worth it < 1085945797 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1085945825 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully webdesigners will get the hint and ditch tables for CSS and start designing for standard browsers < 1085945836 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then M$ will have to wake up to keep in competition < 1085945863 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it wakes up and sues every other company and coder >:) < 1085945896 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, when I do "webdesign" I just write html with headers and

      paragraphs, and maybe few

      rules in there. of course the end result doesn't look very pretty. :p < 1085945915 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's how HTML was meant to be < 1085945978 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with the advent of CSS, people could slap a stylesheet onto a page and it controls the appearance completely < 1085945999 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it eases things a lot < 1085946013 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, take a look at http://www.csszengarden.com/ < 1085946026 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice site, i've seen it sometime before :) < 1085946034 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has at least 100 designs that differ from each other greatly, and the html stays exactly the same < 1085946097 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind, it appears to down < 1085946148 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad :( well, good that i had my change to see it weeks before this point of time < 1085946219 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... it should be back up < 1085946258 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1085946281 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still listed on mezzoblue.com < 1085946286 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(its creator) < 1085946335 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things don't always work. < 1085946388 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, I think I've watched that scary @ long enough, and it doesn't seem to be going away. guess I must take steps. < 1085946391 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-o fizzie < 1085946493 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how unfortunate, you could've at least given it to someone else < 1085946505 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y.. yo....y.. you.. youre mortal again fizzie :O < 1085946521 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think chanserv's the sanest person here and should thusly keep the only @. < 1085946532 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1085946563 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't seen him/her talking, but on the other hand i've spent quite few time here < 1085946713 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the very wise only speak when absolutely necessary < 1085946794 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1085946801 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1085946807 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we're not being very wise here right now. < 1085946834 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it makes one wonder, why then hang out in a channel :D < 1085946841 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, "it is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid, then to open it and remove all doubt" - Mark Twain < 1085946862 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, wisdom is probably overrated anyway < 1085946873 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1085947282 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, soon i should make up some nice design for my site < 1085947318 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your site? (assuming it's on the web) < 1085947329 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should do some nice design for befunge.org. :p < 1085947347 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I've been busy." < 1085947403 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, quux.befunge.org, it seems, has an alright design < 1085947408 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1085947413 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the site isn't in the web < 1085947415 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, that's mooz's site. < 1085947423 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1085947431 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and I'd need someone who can do hr giger -like design for a project with impressive stupidity levels. < 1085947432 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it has tables < 1085947452 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm working on couple of sites < 1085947460 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this design i was talking about will < 1085947467 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be to my "personal" site < 1085947478 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll have my (lame) brainfuck codes < 1085947494 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my personal site (toreun.org) will have all my projects < 1085947500 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just haven't had the time to put them up yet < 1085947502 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other code projects < 1085947509 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by time I mean effort < 1085947514 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1085947526 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd need someone to design the web-frontend for darkhive.gehennom.org. (finnish-only, sorry.) < 1085947532 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... hr giger like design? < 1085947538 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"for some reason" haven't found anyone willing yet. < 1085947553 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, well, "dark hive" sort of needs something like that. < 1085947559 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toreun: when your projects are there, tell me so i can go and check out :) < 1085947580 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure thing < 1085947584 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :) < 1085947586 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the name is a (bad) pun - it actually comes from the contents, "d" "archive". < 1085947597 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1085947598 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first I'd have to make a collaboration of all my projects < 1085947613 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a bad pun < 1085947670 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's better than its as-yet unstarted sister site, sharkhive. < 1085947683 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh archive? :) < 1085947719 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really. actually it should be "ch", as in 'chat', but 'charkhive' sounds stupid. < 1085947725 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that 'd' mean and where it searches that info fizzie? < 1085947742 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, does it not say? < 1085947769 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, I'd rather not say either. I'm.. sort of ashamed. < 1085947769 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might say, I'm not sure what it says exactly < 1085947779 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :demi? < 1085947788 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keymaker should be able to parse the language. < 1085947788 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, why? :) < 1085947790 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1085947801 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err.. that's a tough one. < 1085947808 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1085947816 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ask it myself over and over again whenever I need to fix the damn thing. < 1085947876 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not my fault though. I'm not sure whose fault it is, but it definitely isn't mine. < 1085947904 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sharkhive would be a similar site for mtv3's late-night sms chat things. < 1085947923 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate those chats < 1085947935 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm a bit unsure if I could reliably enough OCR the contents. < 1085947990 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus I don't really _want_ to keep an archive of them. < 1085948004 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just curiously asking, are you working on that project FOR demi? < 1085948005 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't want to keep darkhive either, and yet I still do. < 1085948014 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1085948017 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1085948025 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, nicely made job anyways < 1085948040 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't say that if you saw the perl scripts that do the updating. < 1085948061 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, well, i can't read perl anyways < 1085948073 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people can't read perl < 1085948086 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a somewhat write-only language. < 1085948113 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) haha < 1085948117 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also wrote a custom ncurses-based client for the pseudo-3d java chat applet demi.fi used to have on their site back when franticmedia was doing the webdesign there. < 1085948121 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than BASIC, which lacks so much functionality it's almost a read-only lanugage < 1085948183 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i haven't ever tried learning perl either. is it useful? < 1085948188 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there's PILOT, which seems to me to be an execute-only language. it can't really _do_ anything, but the syntax is ugly and cryptic-like. < 1085948225 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm.. link? < 1085948246 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the language I was talking about the other day, the one I had misplaced my standard of. < 1085948269 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, sorry, i've really the worst memory :\ < 1085948277 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perl.. well, imho it's mildly useful for those shell scripts that are getting bit too complicated for bash+sed+awk+grep. < 1085948298 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then again one could just use scsh or something sensible for those. < 1085948486 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only reason I could see myself learning perl is because so many things are written in perl < 1085948513 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, learning perl more than just basics < 1085948543 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wrote a simple perl script to do [something]. I wonder what it might have been. < 1085948583 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1085948589 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comments missing? < 1085948593 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the incredible amount of CPAN modules for just about every possible task, plus the easiness to call other programs makes perl a relatively nice language to write "glue" in. < 1085948608 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it probably had comments, I just can't remember where I wrote it. < 1085948614 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what for. < 1085948623 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1085948889 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :watched that dark star or whatever it was, yesterday fizzie? < 1085949164 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nahh, was busy trying to make the win32-hosted symbian software development kit run on linux. < 1085949189 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was some pre-made glue stuff to make it work in the interweb, but it was for an earlier version of the sdk, so I had to play with it a bit. < 1085949256 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly the toolchain was easy to make run on linux, just that there was some stupidity with mixed-case names (windows, as we all know, doesn't care about filename case-ness, so the mismatched usages weren't a problem there) and the lf/crlf line-terminator stupidity. < 1085949289 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1085949406 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point in carriage-return actually? < 1085949487 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's useful if you want to make an updated status indicator on a relatively dumb terminal. < 1085949525 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words: it's pointless < 1085949537 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a line-terminator in files, yes. < 1085949542 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a control character, not really. < 1085949574 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :control character? < 1085949643 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "move cursor to beginning of current line" control character. < 1085949646 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very useful. < 1085949686 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i didn't know it was called control character.. agree, it's useful < 1085949690 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and works on a wider range of terminals than ansi/vt-100 escapes. < 1085949902 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, 1.25 hours left. I estimate this day will belong to the class "wasted time" for me. < 1085949932 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1085949947 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i haven't got anything useful made either < 1085949965 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably i'll do some bf not to waste whole day :) < 1085950041 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd need to write a z80-based-device emulator for the arm/symbian/series60. :p < 1085950059 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1085950068 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly that'd probably be the most useful piece of code I'd have written. < 1085950086 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly? < 1085950102 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, some might say even that is not very useful. < 1085950119 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds impressive anyways :) < 1085950132 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds pointless to me, but I sort of promised. < 1085950146 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1085950210 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's related to the mobile demo compo of this year's assembly04 event, if you must know. < 1085950227 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1085950263 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't ever been at assembly, and probably won't go either, but i've read about the demo "scene" < 1085950283 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quotes definitely are in the right place. < 1085950301 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1085950303 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been to few of the smaller finnish demoscene "events", and.. uh, it's not a pretty thing. < 1085950323 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad.. < 1085950362 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assembly's mostly gaming these days, right? < 1085950371 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes. < 1085950382 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :( < 1085950393 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the smaller events tend to include large quantities of C2H5OH, since we're in finland. :p < 1085950406 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1085950491 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, in _all_ the parties (and most of the other social gatherings I've gone) I've seen jaffa/bC! naked, for one reason or the other. usually involves swimming/water, but not always. to be honest it's kinda disturbing. < 1085950523 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1085950539 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, jaffa/bC! some person i guess? < 1085950542 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes. < 1085950554 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1085950569 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, if you want to see what a finnish demoscene event is like, just go see the 'unssia väsyttää' "wild-compo entry". < 1085950577 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll check the scene.org link for that. < 1085950595 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1085950599 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's in http://koti.mbnet.fi/megam/unssia_vasyttaa.AVI < 1085950629 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, how large is the file? < 1085950644 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~5M < 1085950652 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1085950672 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should get a lot faster connection in few days, but i guess i can download that with this :) < 1085950689 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, i mean few weeks, small typo there.. < 1085950696 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's from the 'stream 2003' partay. < 1085950701 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rather like the internet here. < 1085950840 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :started downloading . . . . < 1085950957 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't blame me for wasting your bandwidth, then. :p < 1085950972 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1085951057 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's painful waiting; i have new computer 1 meter near this old one, and i'm waiting the new connection while surfing the web with windows 98 (barf!) without mouse (it isn't hard, but slow) < 1085951085 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahemh. < 1085951106 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"win98 without mouse" sounds like something to use as a punishment for misbehaving slaves. < 1085951113 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1085951122 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is :( < 1085951133 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and for stealing some office supplies -- you get to surf the interweb for three days on win98 without the mouse!" < 1085951147 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1085951148 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"win98" sounds like a punishment in and of itself :-P < 1085951155 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, i know :( < 1085951178 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been wanting to get linux or something other os than it for many years but couldn't get anything done to that thing :( < 1085951184 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno where to start < 1085951364 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you try downloading a liveeval and using that? < 1085951390 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i haven't tried absolutely anything :( < 1085951412 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :download distro from distrowatch.com and try it < 1085951432 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :knoppix is relatively nice to use, too, if the system has a bootable cd drive. < 1085951527 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used knoppix to do some benchmarking for our 'sorting algorith optimization' study thing (for a course here at hut) on an otherwise-windows-only box. < 1085951566 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1085951653 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I've got the ur-quan kzer-za theme music stuck in my head. < 1085951682 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1085951686 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it some movie? < 1085951700 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from 'star control 2', a pc-game a while back. < 1085951765 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1085951780 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm into classic platformers < 1085951802 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still like my Zork < 1085951816 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphics are a waste of time < 1085951826 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1085951840 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really do games nowadays, but I used to play star control 2 back when it was a new game, and it wasn't bad. < 1085951852 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't have anything else to do, you could check out http://sc2.sourceforge.net/ < 1085951855 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither do I - at least video games < 1085951868 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like board/card games more < 1085951897 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i play my favourite games, commander keen adventures daily :) < 1085951899 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I have to admit that from time to time I get the urge to start nethack and do a yet-another-stupid-death in it. < 1085951984 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard about that but not played < 1085951995 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder where mooz is, he said he'll be back "in evening". < 1085952022 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the night is young :) < 1085952026 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but atm I'm browsing his site and playing with that impressive javascript bef interpreter < 1085952052 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I assumed the "standard" definition of 'evening' there. < 1085952087 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :standard definition of evening where? finland? < 1085952115 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess < 1085952117 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1085952139 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, is it 2320 there? I don't know what timezone it's in < 1085952144 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:20, yeah. < 1085952145 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1085952148 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EEST. < 1085952170 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1085952220 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad there's summer time, i like winter more :) < 1085952261 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dislike the fact that my apartment gets unbearably hot during the summer. < 1085952262 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like summer more, but that's probably just because I'm still in school, and around here we don't have school in summer < 1085952306 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re school, wonder when our lectures start again next year. < 1085952329 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ i'm in that nuthouse as well, but i like still cold winter more < 1085952332 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if I should do anything education-related still. < 1085952348 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1085952530 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still ~.5h left to make this a non-wasted day. wonder what I could manage in that time. < 1085952553 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmm < 1085952554 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 'apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade' that debian box to the left of me. < 1085952589 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's debian-unstable and hasn't been updated in two weeks or so, I'll estimate ~100MB of updates. < 1085952594 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're lucky, I still have 7.5h left to waste < 1085952598 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see. < 1085952616 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1085952623 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :198MB of data to download. < 1085952628 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my estimate was a bit off then. < 1085952705 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, forgot to say, i see what you meant with that "unssia vasyttaa" vid < 1085952795 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm. < 1085952806 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asmebly isn't quite like that, of course. < 1085952847 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1085952996 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how typical. < 1085953075 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kdelibs4" and "kdelibs-bin" both depend on libcupsys2 >= 1.1.19final-1, but "libgnomeprint2.2-0" depends on libcupsys2-gnutls, which conflicts with libcupsys2. < 1085953138 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1085953181 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my own fault of course. < 1085953204 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just _had_ to install the gnome-2.6 stuff from the 'experimental' package collection of debian. < 1085953244 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I get updates from ftp.fi.debian.org at ~3000kB/s, keeping a debian-unstable with a dialup would be a new definition for the word pain. < 1085953363 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay. < 1085953379 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some documentation in the .chm file format. < 1085953384 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that windows htmlhelp thingie. < 1085953413 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I install xCHM, and verify remotely (x-forward) that it works, and think "well great, I can read the docs I have" < 1085953459 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I started that xCHM locally. it.. "works properly", escept that instead of normal letters I get a collection of boxes. < 1085953484 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :large boxes and small boxes, bold-font boxes and blue underlined boxes (links), but boxes anyway. < 1085953526 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can also change the font to get different-looking boxes. < 1085954290 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh. of course all other chm files open with it just perfectly except the one I'd need to read. (and that one worked when used remotely.) < 1085954470 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great. xchm needs to be linked with gtk2 to work with unicode/utf8 chm files, but the debian version of course isn't. < 1085954524 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaargh, time is ~up, it's 0000 and no progress on anything :( < 1085954543 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here. < 1085954561 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, better luck today :) < 1085954793 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if I manage to drag myself to work there's a slight chance I might manage to get something done. < 1085954810 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1085954831 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleeping would help make that probability a bit larger. maybe I should switch to the irc-terminal in my bed, that usually makes me fall asleep pretty fast. < 1085954846 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1085954875 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'm not going to be here much time anymore today (i mean today before i'm going to sleep) < 1085954875 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we that boring? :-P < 1085954883 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ yeah < 1085954885 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1085955007 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're building some new student apartments right next to my window, so I can't even sleep long in the mornings. < 1085955024 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1085955036 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those darn students >:) < 1085955058 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta hate 'em < 1085955202 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm one of 'em. < 1085955222 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I already have an apartment, so I see no need to build more of them. < 1085955367 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :// count sheeps < 1085955367 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :const int SHEEPS = 5000; < 1085955367 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for (int i = 0; i < SHEEPS; i = i + 1) { } < 1085955367 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : // now start sleeping < 1085955407 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'll leave the place for this night and go sleeping/restarting my 30000 brain cell byte array ;) < 1085955469 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1085955471 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1085955662 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably fall asleep soon too. < 1085955715 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k, night < 1085955720 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A long-forgotten loved one will appear soon. < 1085955720 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buy the negatives at any price. < 1085955770 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :izzat a fortune? < 1085956832 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! it's 5th of confusion, 3170, today, at least according to my timezone already. celebrate (or don't) syaday. < 1085956927 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1085956939 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still 4th here < 1085956959 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am back in the future, then. < 1085959489 0 :mooz-!~root@cs182082.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1085976446 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1085990399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1085990400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1086007765 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1086007765 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1086007766 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1086007766 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1086007766 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1086007766 0 :deltab!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1086007768 0 :edwinb!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1086007807 0 :mooz-!~root@cs182082.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1086007807 0 :lament!~lament@S01060050baab2c59.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1086007807 0 :edwinb!dcs3ecb@cs-186.dur.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1086007807 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.30.unused.swcp.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1086007807 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1086007807 0 :deltab!~deltab@espians.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1086007807 0 :fizzie!fis@sesefras.tky.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1086008856 0 :edwinb!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1086008856 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1086008856 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1086008856 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1086008856 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1086008856 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1086008856 0 :deltab!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1086008856 0 :fizzie!fis@sesefras.tky.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1086008856 0 :deltab!~deltab@espians.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1086008856 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1086008856 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.30.unused.swcp.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1086008856 0 :lament!~lament@S01060050baab2c59.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1086008856 0 :mooz-!~root@cs182082.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1086008856 0 :edwinb!dcs3ecb@cs-186.dur.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1086008856 0 :kosmikus1away!~andres@adorp.cs.uu.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1086008856 0 :kosmikus|away!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1086012354 0 :grumpy_old_one!~user@bohica.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1086018479 0 :kosmikus1away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus < 1086025395 0 :Toreun!~Toreun@ool-45738c44.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1086025408 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1086027828 0 :Toreun!~Toreun@ool-45738c44.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1086030280 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you suppose it is that nowadays we only seem to speak when that 'keymaker' person is here? < 1086030304 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's the life of the party. < 1086031603 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1086034182 0 :Toreun!~Toreun@ool-45738c44.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1086035675 0 :Keymaker!nobody@212-246-180-186.dial.tpo.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1086035683 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi-ya < 1086035707 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1086035710 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1086035852 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evening. < 1086035855 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evening < 1086035876 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, [enter the usual question here]? < 1086035973 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[enter the usual response here]. < 1086036023 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[enter the usual 'too bad'-reply here] < 1086036155 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, can anyone suggest any good science fiction or cyberpunk books that focus on robots? < 1086036611 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything by asimov. < 1086036625 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe not anything, but something. < 1086036637 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1086036690 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bad at remembering the names of his especially good books. maybe mooz could recommend? < 1086036761 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's hope so :) < 1086038140 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's probably not home.. < 1086038187 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, he was home just few hours ago, I don't see how he might have managed to disappear since then. < 1086038191 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe you're right. < 1086038269 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1086038701 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph, my usb support went broken. < 1086038720 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jun 1 02:31:30 zark kernel: usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using address 9 < 1086038723 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jun 1 02:31:30 zark kernel: usb 3-2: device not accepting address 9, error -71 < 1086038727 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worked just fine for addresses <8. < 1086038776 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad, any idea what could be wrong? < 1086038843 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. well, maybe the device dislikes addresses that are more than three bits long. < 1086039030 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know for a fact that dodongo dislikes smoke. < 1086039172 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see.. :\ < 1086039280 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a "fact" that I've been unable to get out of my head lately. < 1086039327 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1086039343 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did you get that fact? < 1086039537 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1086039546 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was a dream? < 1086039605 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) most probably < 1086039679 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google found me http://dodongosmoke.ytmnd.com/ < 1086039777 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i see now < 1086039779 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1086039875 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda off-topic; my wrist is really hurting, i don't know why, it's been hurting the whole day :( < 1086040194 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so had mine yesterday, but it went away after I slept. < 1086040211 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully this goes away too < 1086040216 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe too much keyboarding < 1086040225 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..or too few.. < 1086040236 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:40:11 < SLi> Paitsi nykynäppiksiä ei meinaa uskaltaa ostaa kun niissä lukee aina jotain "Varoitus: Useiden asiantuntijoiden mielestä MINKÄ TAHANSA näppäimistön käyttö saattaa PERUUTTAMATTOMASTI TUHOTA puolet aivosoluistasi vuorokauden välein." < 1086040243 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for the language. < 1086040275 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1086040294 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know any robot books :/ < 1086040301 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1086040338 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't either, at least not many, but i'll try to find out some.. < 1086040342 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except some by asimov of course < 1086040350 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell < 1086040351 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there's a short story collection by asimov called 'robots of dawn' (on this book-cd for example), I'd assume some of the stories are about robots. < 1086040376 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I, robot" for example is a very known robot story < 1086040378 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, judging by the name . . . < 1086040387 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should read that < 1086040410 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're making a movie of it < 1086040412 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw nice looking trailer about an upcoming movie with the same title, < 1086040422 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(too slow fingers) < 1086040443 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems promising < 1086040527 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other asimov collections (title not necessary containing the word 'robot') have related stories too. < 1086040538 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1086040628 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do androids dream of electric sheep? < 1086040643 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they do. < 1086040657 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the book's a lot better than the movie. < 1086040705 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds interesting < 1086040721 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind o story it is? < 1086040748 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the movie's called 'blade runner', you may have heard of it. < 1086040757 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1086040761 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even seen it < 1086040792 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :book's by philip k. dick, who has written lots of excellent books, imho. not about robots though. < 1086040819 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, name sounds familiar, maybe i've read some books by him < 1086040860 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :robots suck. < 1086040886 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But do read Karel Capek. < 1086040903 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what kind of books? < 1086040907 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, some titles by him include _ubik_, _a skanner darkly_, _rautavaara's case_, _second variety_ (this one was a collection of short stories, I think, and the 'second variety' story was related to robots), and others. < 1086040922 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubik's wacky < 1086040952 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for good less-known scifi, read rupert goodwins' "weird dreams" < 1086040957 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes. < 1086040969 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try to keep in mind those names < 1086040980 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird dreams is available online only < 1086040986 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1086041039 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll search it sometime, probably if i would now, i would probably find some freaky bizarre sites only < 1086041063 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.geocities.com/jeremyalansmith/level9/ < 1086041068 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh thanks < 1086041076 0 :mooz-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's where it legally exists, at least < 1086041960 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading the 'wreckers' story. < 1086042955 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1086042959 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1086042973 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll go to sleep.. ZzzZzzzzZz < 1086042988 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1086043011 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1086043046 0 :calamari_!JeffryJohn@as07-pho-az-205-186-110-117.rasserver.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1086043051 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1086043080 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1086043768 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's your c compiler coming, calamari? < 1086044081 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1086044086 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how a language would look < 1086044090 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which you have the functions: < 1086044095 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S, K, I and XOR < 1086044425 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toreun: haven't worked on it.. my wife and I went up to the mountains camping last night.. was fun :) < 1086044460 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: S, K, and I? < 1086045134 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: why XOR? well, why I? < 1086045196 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toreun: http://foldoc.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?query=combinator&action=Search < 1086046564 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1086046628 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl.. need food < 1086046640 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1086046641 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kosmikus: heh! < 1086046651 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kosmikus: i'm not sure what XOR would do, though. < 1086046666 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kosmikus: I guess S could be like true and K like false, and ditch I... < 1086046784 0 :Toreun!~Toreun@ool-45738c44.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1086046934 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so the XOR should operator on the combinators? < 1086046941 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well of course < 1086046945 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have no idea how < 1086046992 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you want the XOR at all? just for redundancy and obfuscation? ;) < 1086047187 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course. < 1086047189 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok screw xor < 1086047194 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic idea is: < 1086047206 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :find some nice way to map true/false to ski-expressions < 1086047276 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nicer than encoding them in untyped lambda calculus, and translating that to SK-expressions? < 1086047362 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1086047539 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1086047677 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1086047837 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which part of my original question should I explain in more detail? < 1086047966 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand what you mean by 'encoding them in untyped lambda calculus and translating that to sk-expressions'