< 1088471114 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1088472351 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1088472365 0 :calamari_!JeffryJohn@as01-pho-az-205-186-104-183.rasserver.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1088475765 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1088475835 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.30.unused.swcp.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1088482173 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyas < 1088482174 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1088485676 0 :iamcal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"stuff to do" < 1088486667 0 :Toreun!~Toreun@ool-45738c44.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1088488597 0 :WildHalcyon_!~wildhal@c-24-18-250-7.client.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1088488673 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi WildHalcyon_ < 1088489225 0 :calamari_!JeffryJohn@as08-pho-az-205-186-111-173.rasserver.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1088489255 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1088489272 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi calamari_ < 1088489776 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1088490371 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bedtime.. bbl :) < 1088490373 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1088495999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1088496000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1088511387 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1088511984 0 :kosmikus|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus < 1088523769 0 :Toreun!~Toreun@ool-45738c44.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1088526922 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1088526923 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1088526923 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1088526988 0 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. JOIN :#esoteric < 1088526988 0 :kosmikus!~andres@kosmikus.developer.gentoo JOIN :#esoteric < 1088526988 0 :mtve!mtve@mtve.vm.jvds.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1088526988 0 :irc.freenode.net!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o ChanServ < 1088531047 0 :calamari_!JeffryJohn@as01-pho-az-205-186-104-163.rasserver.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1088531050 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1088531339 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1088531549 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had a thought about BF.. it's not quite symmetric. "[ ] = while (*p) { }", but there is no "{ } = while (p) { }".. with that you could do {<} to set p =0 < 1088531614 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that really necessary though? do you have to keep track of the absolute pointer location? < 1088531641 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari_: pointer locations aren't numbered < 1088531649 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's just "left" and "right" < 1088531650 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think that it would detract from the "purity"? of BF < 1088531669 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not necessary, but neither is - (you can just loop around with +'s) < 1088531683 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari_: no, that's implementation-dependent < 1088531686 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: you are missing the point entirely < 1088531688 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by that logic, neither is < or > < 1088531689 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari_: your numbers might be infinite < 1088531826 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your memory space might also be infinite < 1088531847 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1088531858 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: there's nothing saying that cells in bf are positive only, or finite.. this is true.. but that makes [-] equally as valid as {<} < 1088531875 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because with a negative cell, [-] goes off to infinity < 1088531885 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(negative infinity that is) < 1088531892 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the real problem with {} is that it's so completely useless < 1088531898 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for anything but the {-} construct < 1088531904 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er= < 1088531907 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the {<} < 1088531927 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so easily replaceable with a sentinel in any case < 1088531946 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: not true.. you can do "add" loops to set big pointers < 1088532012 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but.. like I said, it's not needed... but not as symmetric without it < 1088532041 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1088532180 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wondering, did anyone ever make brainfuck-native hardware? I read something about it awhile, and I'm just wondering if anything happened with it < 1088532192 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. { } makes it possible to get/set the mp from a cell value during program execution making arrays much less wasteful < 1088532212 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toreun: I think they made a chip and showed it at a demo party? < 1088532225 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that could be way off < 1088532263 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm well I guess that could always be a college engineering design project. < 1088532289 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was reading about a MOVE machine earlier, seems pretty interesting (move is the only "instruction", i/o and jmps are memory mapped) < 1088532347 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1088532368 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/arch/risc/ < 1088532606 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/arch/risc/ < 1088532609 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1088532711 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari_: hm, that's a fairly neat one < 1088532718 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it more than OISC < 1088532754 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool page < 1088533560 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1088533585 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this link is broken: http://www.cs.eku.edu/~styer/oisc.html < 1088533586 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1088535586 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus|away < 1088536317 0 :calamari-!JeffryJohn@as02-pho-az-205-186-105-45.rasserver.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1088537331 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1088538500 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1088541048 0 :calamari_!JeffryJohn@as01-pho-az-205-186-104-71.rasserver.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1088541055 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: http://web.archive.org/web/20030425001315/http://www.cs.eku.edu/~styer/oisc.html < 1088541159 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :calamari < 1088543992 0 :WildHalcyon!~wildhal@c-24-18-250-7.client.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1088547065 0 :rapidly_constant!~Guest071@202.141.243.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1088547684 0 :rapidly_constant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"{Linux|Pakistan} Rocks! - http://www.linuxpakistan.net/chat/" < 1088548110 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1088549586 0 :kosmikus|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus < 1088552084 0 :iamcal!~bees@h69-cpe104.insinc.com JOIN :#esoteric