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"scroll" will scroll through the different instructions (lets say BF ones, for simplicity), then "execute" performs it 22:16:36 well, i guess that's been done several times :) 22:16:45 at least i've had that kind of things on my mind 22:16:57 but yes 22:17:51 for making it extra hard, the 'instruction select' would be wrapping, and execute not setting it to zero for example 22:18:07 so, when user notices he/she would've needed to add some instruction 22:18:21 oops wait.. 22:18:40 eh nevermind 22:19:00 but yes, that kind of language would be nice 22:19:04 hehe 22:19:15 and in a loop, you can fuckit all up because you forgot to scroll once! 22:19:19 spectacular segfaults! 22:19:19 :) 22:19:26 :) 22:20:34 it could be clever to use space character (asc 32) as 'instruction character' and return/enter (asc 10) as 'execution character' 22:20:46 this to make the source highly readable and easy to modify :) 22:21:21 Haha!! 22:21:21 :) 22:54:03 although, as in that, in so many other languages (or probably all) some other program can be coded to do the work, for example making that kind of source file for example from a file where only reads the number of instruction on each line 22:54:27 what i'd like to see would be a programming language 22:54:31 that would need 22:55:02 rr.. would be so complex that no program could be written for that 22:55:16 so that it would be only human-readable source :) 22:55:48 that only human could write the source, not easily though, and any program couldn't generate it 22:57:23 on that "would be so complex that .." line i should've said ".. that no program to generate a program for that language could be written" 23:05:01 There is already a language that uses only whitespace as its syntax. 23:05:10 I've forgotten the name, though. 23:05:22 it's called "Whitespace" :p 23:05:33 Ah. 23:05:36 i knew that hehe 23:05:39 How clever. 23:05:43 indeed 23:18:17 well. 23:18:44 have fun rest-of-time-of-the-day-on-your-time-zone :) 23:18:54 -!- Keymaker has 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by peer)). 01:08:47 TALK TO ME PEOPLE 01:08:49 :) 01:10:43 03am localtime; no talk but sleep. -> 01:11:01 Only lame people sleep. 01:11:01 :) 01:25:02 -!- calamari has joined. 01:59:29 -!- calamari has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 02:13:52 -!- calamari has joined. 02:34:07 asdfasdfasdf 02:34:14 ;lkj;lkj;lkj;lkj 02:34:49 teh mooo 02:34:50 :) 02:35:00 or, is that your new language based on brainfuck? 02:35:06 :) 02:36:32 * arke was considering a 2insatruction esoteric processor. '?' would cycle between one of the brainfuck instrcutions, and '!' wouold execute the current one. To make things harder, '!' autoincrements the instruction by one 02:36:43 so +++ in brainfuck would be !???????!???????! in this language 02:36:51 [-] would become 02:37:21 im afraid someone already thought of that 02:37:28 or something very similar 02:37:37 ????!????!???! 02:37:38 or maybe it was you? 02:37:39 damn. :) 02:37:43 No idea. 02:37:47 anyway its on the wikipedia page 02:37:51 "turning tarpit" 02:46:11 aah 02:46:14 * arke looks in a moment 02:55:01 -!- heatsink has joined. 04:39:33 arke: for more fun change the bf cell to hold binary values only. then you don't need both + and -, just a "not" operation, call it @. Now @@ is the same as doing nothing, so @ can be combined with >, call it }. So you get: < is <, > is }<}, @ is }< :) 04:39:52 err binary.. I meant one bit only 04:41:30 that drops you down to 6 instructions. i/o can be memory mapped, so that drops you down to 4: <}[] :) 04:41:51 combine that with your !? thing.. hehe 04:45:58 Hehehe 04:46:06 makes malbolge look programmer-friendly ;) 05:01:10 it's almost a language of emoticons then. 05:01:32 angry ninja grin frown cinnamon bun! 05:04:05 haha 05:05:45 that's a good idea for a language.. just would need an interesting mapping of emoticons to getting something done 05:06:06 :) :/ :( :D 05:06:28 ooh 05:06:31 how about this 05:06:37 instead of ! and ?, use newline and space 05:06:38 :) 05:06:43 VERY readable :P 05:15:37 there is a language called whitespace .. ;) 05:15:44 also uses tabs iirc :) 05:16:14 :) 05:16:19 This one would be even WORSE :) 05:16:19 you don't really need two characters though 05:16:23 Pj? 05:16:24 err 05:16:25 Oh? 05:16:32 One character? :) 05:16:37 you could just use the length of the file as the program 05:16:51 In programs like that, you have P = NP 05:17:13 Hah. 05:17:16 :) 05:38:06 -!- heatsink has quit ("Leaving"). 06:17:04 -!- calamari_ has joined. 06:31:18 -!- calamari has quit (Success). 07:17:23 -!- puzlet has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 09:51:22 -!- calamari_ has quit ("Leaving"). 18:39:17 -!- calamari has joined. 19:08:28 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 2005-02-11: 00:23:35 -!- arke has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:23:36 -!- arke has joined. 02:25:33 -!- heatsink has joined. 05:19:52 -!- heatsink has quit ("Leaving"). 05:28:28 -!- calamari has joined. 05:28:44 -!- calamari has quit (Client Quit). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 15:37:36 -!- Keymaker has joined. 15:37:57 evenin' 15:42:03 rhh.. i've waited for long to have some spare time, and now i can't get doing anything or get started doing anything. :( unfair!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 15:54:01 -!- Keymaker has quit. 20:36:28 -!- Keymaker has joined. 20:36:32 evenin' 20:36:35 (again) 20:39:21 teh hies 20:39:22 :) 20:39:32 hi 20:39:49 i'm trying to find a gas mask 20:40:35 (from the web, of course) 20:40:44 ebay? :) 20:41:37 no, one finnish place 20:41:46 there actually is some nice ones 20:41:54 i'll have to wait a few days to bid 20:42:48 huuto.net? 20:42:58 exatly 20:43:02 *exactly 20:43:48 (and no, i'm not planning to strike any place!) 20:47:54 anyways; 20:47:59 any good name for a brainfuck site? 20:49:00 (probably no) 20:49:27 i've been trying to make up some nice name, but haven't managed yet 20:52:49 Dunno. I should write some content for befunge.org someday, just.. "haven't had time yet", during the last few years 20:54:52 :) 20:55:25 yes.. i've stopped on that site couple of times 20:55:54 And there's never anything happening. 20:55:55 the quux rediction has more to offer :p 20:56:31 hmm? nothing's happening? where? 20:56:39 On the site, I mean. 20:56:45 ah yes 20:57:59 Hmmmm.. some web-bot seems to have crawled through my gehennom.org "site". It hasn't looked at robots.txt, and the user agent was "Java/1.4.1_04", which is strange - usually they have some sort of identification there. 21:02:02 hmmm, i didn't even know you had that site 21:02:10 (never visited it before, either) 21:05:48 I don't use it much either. 21:06:04 :) 21:06:13 what does the name mean? 21:06:26 if anything? 21:07:08 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehennom - mostly comes from nethack to me. 21:10:23 ugh.. yuck 21:17:51 hmh,, 21:18:18 what about wcbpwbfiwop.org? 21:18:41 "what can't be programmed with brainfuck isn't worth of programming"? 21:18:55 (quoting one site a bit, too bad can't remember what bf site..) 21:19:16 or wcbpwbfiwopal.org 21:19:32 "what can't be programmed with brainfuck isn't worth of programming at all" 21:22:56 They are... a bit hard to remember, perhaps. 21:23:47 :) 21:25:50 i've thought about 'turing-complete.org' 21:26:29 as well as 'nested-loops.org' 21:26:36 although, both probably suck :p 21:36:52 w00t 21:37:07 seems that bttf.com is totally redesigned since i last visited there! 21:37:37 (i admit, haven't checked for a couple of months.. grr, and i'm calling myself Backie.. :() 21:53:29 ah, well, now browsed around a bit. some pretty cool stuff happened there.. 21:58:42 hmmm 21:58:57 just thought about programming something with php 21:59:06 then realized i have no idea 21:59:33 then i thought that "hey, is there any php-like esoteric language?" 21:59:45 and realized that maybe i could start thinking about something :) 22:01:16 and now i'm thinking "i may be too lazy" 22:06:07 well; bye. 22:06:09 -!- Keymaker has quit. 2005-02-12: 03:34:53 -!- heatsink has joined. 05:19:53 -!- heatsink has quit ("Leaving"). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 17:54:21 -!- cpressey has quit ("leaving"). 18:55:25 -!- cmeme has quit (Remote closed the connection). 18:56:25 -!- cmeme has joined. 18:56:43 -!- cmeme has quit (Remote closed the connection). 18:57:26 -!- cmeme has joined. 19:17:46 -!- cpressey has joined. 2005-02-13: 00:27:22 -!- heatsink has joined. 06:25:57 -!- calamari has joined. 06:32:05 -!- heatsink has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 09:50:40 -!- calamari has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 09:56:39 -!- calamari has joined. 11:04:17 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 2005-02-14: 00:03:02 -!- heatsink has joined. 00:07:53 -!- heatsink has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:48:48 -!- heatsink has joined. 04:41:54 -!- calamari has joined. 07:18:12 -!- calamari has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 07:20:17 -!- calamari has joined. 07:29:05 -!- calamari_ has joined. 07:42:24 -!- heatsink has quit ("Leaving"). 07:43:48 -!- calamari has quit (Connection timed out). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 09:56:41 -!- cmeme has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 11:47:27 -!- calamari has joined. 11:48:14 -!- calamari_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 12:25:10 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 17:23:42 -!- fizzie has quit (Remote closed the connection). 17:23:43 -!- fizzie has joined. 18:00:04 -!- tokigun has joined. 18:31:45 -!- tokigun has left (?). 21:28:14 -!- cmeme has joined. 21:28:33 -!- cmeme has quit (Remote closed the connection). 21:29:16 -!- cmeme has joined. 2005-02-15: 01:49:17 -!- exnor has joined. 03:54:58 -!- calamari has joined. 04:57:20 -!- heatsink has joined. 05:37:00 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:14:41 -!- heatsink has quit ("Leaving"). 08:34:55 -!- exnor has left (?). 16:47:49 -!- Keymaker has joined. 16:49:45 aarrggh. public commander keen forum has been attacked with shit-eating pictures and other grotesque material :( 16:55:33 hopefully the poster is banned already 16:55:41 either the way, i must go now. 16:55:43 -!- Keymaker has quit. 18:58:45 -!- Keymaker has joined. 18:59:46 that f*cker is now stopped and banned.. we've had problems with him before as well.. 19:00:38 i really wonder what drives some people... :\ 19:15:37 Keymaker: what IP did he/she use btw? 19:17:14 wait a bit 19:17:50 ips 203.173.209.* are banned now 19:18:18 don't know the exact, since i'm a mod and not admin 19:18:20 :) 19:19:07 ok, nothing then 19:21:19 ok 19:28:44 hmmm 19:28:54 a visual befunge interpreter would be cool 19:29:07 i think there are already some 19:29:15 ok 19:29:22 it was just an idea i had today :) 19:30:01 would look nice anyways 19:31:01 well, must go again. bye 19:31:02 -!- Keymaker has quit. 2005-02-16: 01:23:09 -!- cmeme has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 02:52:14 -!- cmeme has joined. 03:29:20 -!- calamari has joined. 04:07:05 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 04:57:59 -!- calamari has joined. 05:20:10 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 06:11:15 -!- calamari has joined. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 10:06:04 -!- calamari has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 10:07:53 -!- calamari has joined. 10:26:05 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 16:04:54 -!- Keymaker has joined. 16:05:13 rg 16:05:16 evenin' 16:07:38 ah.. finally some time to program in brainfuck.. 16:16:28 is anybody here? 16:31:25 .... 17:50:00 hmmm something's wrong in the code... 17:50:24 too brained or? 17:50:59 :) 17:51:19 probably just some instruction missing somewhere 17:51:29 not complex code 17:53:21 according to the interpreter something causes some overflow 17:53:50 brain overflow? 17:57:13 yah :) 17:57:17 well, must go. arrg. 17:57:21 -!- Keymaker has left (?). 19:18:12 -!- Keymaker has joined. 19:20:26 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 19:20:31 there's too many cool languages 21:00:12 -!- Keymaker has quit. 22:02:23 -!- Keymaker has joined. 22:02:38 can't.. find.. errorrrrrr.. x\ 22:16:29 :( 22:38:21 yes, theres WAY too many cool languages 22:38:22 :) 22:39:09 yah 22:39:26 and no time or intelligence to try them all out ;) 22:42:35 Befunge seems fin 22:42:37 fun* 22:42:52 yes 22:43:01 i've noticed that lately 22:43:04 I actually want to make a non-esoteric programming language based on befunge, with a 3d programming GUI and many more principles from Forth 22:43:27 :) 22:43:37 it would become esoteric :) 22:44:54 Naah ;) 22:45:00 :) 22:45:09 i've couple of ideas for a language 22:45:10 but 22:45:19 i can't decide the memory type, 22:45:26 would it be a stack, array etc... 22:48:15 i'm still waiting for that idea that'll make a whole new definition for the esoteric programming ;) 22:51:28 haha 22:52:11 i think malbolge is the worst right now ;) 22:53:41 never tried that one 22:54:02 but those iota, zot and unlambda seem the worst , to me 22:54:23 unlambda is impossible :D 22:55:17 no way.. 22:55:20 oops 22:55:23 i meant yes 22:55:25 read wrong :) 23:01:41 but well. enough fun for this night, good bye. :) 23:01:42 -!- Keymaker has left (?). 23:02:43 Malbolge is designed to be evil. Unlambda programs some people have written, even. 2005-02-17: 01:05:41 -!- heatsink has joined. 03:35:28 -!- calamari has joined. 04:05:09 -!- arke has quit ("my dad stole my ethernet bridge to install solaris, and I don't know if he's giving it back once he's done, since he's pissed). 05:52:49 -!- cristian_00 has joined. 05:59:32 -!- cristian_00 has left (?). 07:50:45 -!- calamari has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:35:08 -!- calamari has joined. 10:37:33 -!- Keymaker has joined. 10:37:37 yo 10:41:05 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 10:44:27 hi 10:45:01 hi 11:09:35 hmmm, time to get some noodles. 11:12:23 -!- heatsink has quit (Remote closed the connection). 11:40:00 hmmm, i'll do some keen stuff now. may be back later. 11:40:02 -!- Keymaker has quit. 23:48:41 -!- RuneBerge has joined. 23:51:10 -!- RuneBerge has left (?). 2005-02-18: 00:05:28 -!- kipple has joined. 00:38:29 -!- arke has joined. 01:55:12 -!- arke has quit ("leaving"). 02:42:04 -!- calamari has joined. 04:50:19 -!- cpressey has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 04:52:03 -!- cpressey has joined. 05:00:17 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 05:07:29 -!- kipple has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 12:56:45 -!- kipple has joined. 14:19:59 -!- Keymaker has joined. 14:20:13 rghh 14:21:37 rghh to you too. 14:25:14 :) 14:27:28 i'm boring 14:27:33 *bored 14:27:40 well, boring's good too 14:29:07 kipple: are you the maker of the kipple language? 14:31:37 wow. and no quine yet. 14:31:59 :) 14:32:19 should i try.. hehe :) 14:55:03 we need kipple interpreter, preferably written in c 14:55:40 (the applet crashes firefox when entering endless loop) 15:27:25 hmm. i go now. 15:27:29 -!- Keymaker has quit. 15:40:04 why does it need to be written in C btw? GCC seems to be able to compile the java version, here's static binary: http://iki.fi/lindi/Kipple.gz 16:34:29 -!- Keymaker has joined. 16:35:27 lindi-: it doesn't need to be written in c.. :) that was just because i had no idea gcc can do that! 16:36:02 i said c just because i don't like java and have no idea how to compile it 16:36:24 by the way, as i'm not good with compilers, what command gcc needs to compile that? 16:36:39 can you give the whole command? 16:36:49 'gcj' is gcc's java compiler. 16:37:23 ok 16:41:08 Keymaker: gcj --main=Kipple Kipple.jar -o Kipple -static 16:41:14 cheers! 16:42:38 Meh, away to do some sailing somewhere in the caribbean; back 2005-03-02 wed. -> 16:42:48 oh 16:44:58 wow 16:52:00 hmm. but must go, once again. i try to do something that i probably can't do since i'm a loser.. bye. 16:52:04 -!- Keymaker has quit. 20:35:51 Thanks, lindi for helping Keymaker out. I don't think I'll ever port Kipple to C 20:36:11 :P 20:37:08 kipple: better develop it with GCC too or you'll suddenly notice that it doesn't work with GCC anymore 20:37:18 what do you mean? 20:37:39 kipple: especially swing support is still only partial 20:37:46 ah. 20:37:58 well, GUIs are not relevant anyway 20:38:04 kipple: so, if you want to use java for portability you really should test different systems 20:38:35 kipple: good, then you should be able to use GCC for all your java needs :) 20:39:04 ok. But I don't do much work on kipple, and when I do I'll focus on the fun stuff (that is NOT testing for different compilers) 20:39:36 kipple: well, if you don't do it then the users have to do it :( 20:40:04 users? I'm not sure they even exist ;) 20:40:16 heh 20:41:21 kipple: keymaker probably wanted a C version exactly because many java programs run only with SUN's tools 20:43:04 well, you demonstrated that it at least works with gcc as well :) 20:43:39 Anyway, I'm just happy there are people who knows about it at all....... 20:43:39 at the moment yes 20:44:18 I'll try to remember to test it with gcc next time I do something with it (if ever) 20:44:59 thanks 20:47:58 kipple: the applet seems to run with gcjwebplugin too 20:50:31 kipple: one minor bug though, if i resize the window the "sample programs" list will be placed behind the text: http://iki.fi/lindi/kipple-applet-bug.png 20:56:47 hmm. That does not happen to me in a web browser. 20:57:40 what is the gcjwebplugin? is it like Sun's appletviewer? 20:58:48 also, the final character of the program (o) seems to be missing in your screen shot. Is it a bug, or did you delete it? 21:12:17 kipple: yep 21:12:48 kipple: and yes, i probably deleted it by accident 21:13:06 kipple: in a web browser you can't resize the window obviously ;) 21:30:03 -!- Swift0 has joined. 21:31:59 -!- Swift0 has left (?). 22:25:13 -!- Keymaker has joined. 22:26:47 arghhh 22:31:44 ? 22:32:23 i'm about to send a message 22:32:57 to a female i only know by name 22:33:26 something tells me it's insane, and something else "send it already" 22:34:21 either the way, i guess i'll send it 22:34:22 heh 22:34:27 :) 22:38:50 of f.. now i did it.. embarrassing situations, here i come.. 22:39:26 aargh, too late to regret 22:39:31 i'm idiot!! 22:46:39 hmmm, maybe a small brainfuck program would ease the situation.. 22:48:58 nope, it doesn't.. perhaps i've seen too many hollly 22:49:03 darn return 22:49:12 hollywood movies with happy ending.. 23:11:48 -!- kipple_ has joined. 23:12:38 hi 23:28:59 -!- kipple has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 23:48:45 hmm. 23:48:59 i think i'll go to read some book 23:49:03 nite 23:49:06 -!- Keymaker has left (?). 2005-02-19: 01:07:11 -!- arke has joined. 01:08:14 < robT> Name ONE thing that your windows comp can do that my MAC cant 01:08:16 < bawss> Right click. 02:10:21 -!- arke has quit ("leaving"). 04:43:56 -!- kipple_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 12:51:01 -!- kipple has joined. 13:22:25 -!- Keymaker has joined. 13:22:42 YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! 13:23:10 that means she just replied :D 13:23:21 w00t 13:27:26 but ok, must go.. 13:27:27 -!- Keymaker has quit. 17:53:59 -!- calamari has joined. 18:08:14 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 23:09:49 -!- ZeroOne has joined. 2005-02-20: 00:07:27 -!- heatsink has joined. 00:39:22 -!- heatsink has quit ("Leaving"). 00:40:58 -!- heatsink has joined. 06:32:32 -!- kipple has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:32:22 -!- heatsink has quit ("Leaving"). 11:06:34 -!- ChanServ has quit (ACK! 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I found it 00:48:37 ever heard of liberty BASIC? 00:48:55 looks nice 00:49:00 and, no 00:49:09 Rogue: basically brainfuck. However, theres 2 instructions, one of them you scroll through a circular lists of brainfuck instructions, the next one executes that brainfuck instruction. after executing, it scrolls to the next brainfuck instruction. the character for scroll is space and the character for execute is enter/return/newline 00:50:34 i was thinking something more along the lines of MOUSE, or LOGO, 00:51:16 :) 00:51:43 you know, any language with sprite abilities can make something like that 00:52:41 brb, i have laundry 01:14:55 still there? 01:16:41 I am 01:17:04 Had a look at MOUSE. seems like a nice language 01:18:04 its esseintially a digital toy 01:18:19 make a mouse move around a screen 01:18:27 like logo 01:29:23 i wanna see the weirdo that made ZT 01:31:55 heh :) 01:33:03 its an interesting language, hell, with an IDE frontend, it can become a drag and drop language 01:33:12 otherwise, it looks weird 01:36:57 how about a 2d command set where the command positions are on a grid type, with subs on a seperate grid set 01:38:26 not sure what you mean... 01:38:40 what do you mean with "grid type"? 01:39:45 well, a program would be written on both x,y 01:40:04 yeah, like befunge 01:40:55 then the variables,(strings,numaric,boolean) would along the z axis 01:41:55 the editor would be like a spreadsheet document 01:44:38 i don't understand what you mean with variables along the z axis. 01:47:18 (sorry for being slow...) 01:47:44 well, all declared variables are set in a linear array into a stack, so each variable can expand easier, you have a variable declared at code block 7,8 would beput in the next available slot on an array 01:48:15 so a string variable would look like "string$(1)" 01:54:19 the variablables that are in the array/stack would be the z axis 01:55:32 yes. I see 01:59:06 should work 01:59:30 are the variables only referenced by their location, or will they have names? 02:02:30 hell, if you played with VB a bit, you could use excel tools and what not, or other .NET tools you could make it 02:02:31 yes 02:04:36 names 02:05:27 the location of the code declareing it would be identified by the x,y 02:06:26 -!- Rogue has quit ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"). 02:07:01 -!- Rogue has joined. 02:07:42 sorry, booted 02:11:58 -!- Rogu1 has joined. 02:12:14 damn it, wifi is annoying 02:18:32 -!- kipple has quit. 02:20:30 -!- Rogue has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 02:20:53 -!- Rogu1 has changed nick to Rogue. 02:25:57 -!- cpressey has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 02:27:38 -!- Rogue has left (?). 02:43:35 -!- cpressey has joined. 02:45:37 -!- cpressey_ has joined. 02:58:27 -!- cpressey_ has quit ("leaving"). 03:42:24 -!- Rogu1 has joined. 03:49:31 -!- Rogu1 has left (?). 04:05:19 -!- heatsink has joined. 05:01:30 -!- heatsink has changed nick to heatsink_. 05:02:13 -!- heatsink_ has changed nick to heatsink. 05:03:40 hi 05:04:46 hi 05:05:25 whats up mr. CPU cooling device? :) 05:05:40 (or mrs. or ms., whichever applies) 05:06:12 * heatsink is reading about red-black trees 05:06:41 My neighbor had a tree that was kinda red-black. 05:08:12 red black? o.O 05:09:01 yea, it had dark red leaves. 05:11:29 wow that is weird! 05:11:38 * arke makes a note to google for that tomorrow 07:49:34 -!- heatsink has quit ("Leaving"). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:20:34 -!- calamari has joined. 08:24:12 -!- calamari_ has joined. 08:43:35 -!- calamari has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 09:57:36 -!- calamari_ has quit ("Leaving"). 13:16:18 -!- kipple has joined. 16:23:12 -!- kipple has quit. 19:36:41 -!- calamari has joined. 19:41:16 -!- Keymaker has joined. 19:41:24 evenin' 19:41:28 "16:37:24 cool, i like'm cuz languages like C and VB, are fucking annoying" 19:41:37 you're absolutely right. :) 19:42:21 now.. i would need some nice idea for a brainfuck programme 20:08:06 how about a memory manager or command-line shell for bfos ;) 20:08:26 hmm, think i'm calling it bos now, aren't I? :) 20:12:32 one thing I tried to do a long time ago, and failed at, was to come up with bf code blocks to replace c commands.. for example: while(), etc. The basic ones are relatively simple, but it gets more complicated when break and continue are added 20:13:34 that's why I rdecided to go for line numbers and goto's :) 20:14:00 it still seems like it should be possible to generate, though 20:16:38 -!- Keymaker has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 20:36:48 -!- Rogu1 has joined. 20:55:09 -!- calamari has quit (Connection timed out). 21:00:31 -!- calamari has joined. 21:03:41 -!- Rogu1 has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 22:15:03 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 2005-02-26: 00:10:58 hi 00:18:09 -!- Rogu1 has joined. 00:20:46 -!- Rogu1 has left (?). 03:41:54 -!- calamari has joined. 04:41:00 -!- heatsink has joined. 06:38:09 -!- calamari has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 06:39:54 -!- calamari has joined. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:32:34 -!- heatsink has quit ("Leaving"). 08:57:06 -!- calamari_ has joined. 09:03:38 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 09:44:56 -!- Rogu1 has joined. 09:45:01 -!- Rogu1 has left (?). 10:26:43 -!- calamari- has joined. 10:41:36 -!- calamari_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 10:59:54 -!- calamari- has quit ("Leaving"). 17:23:38 -!- kipple has joined. 17:43:38 -!- Keymaker has joined. 17:43:43 yo 18:08:27 the finnish ones: going to watch alien today? 18:11:47 oeeeeeeee! 18:11:47 -!- Keymaker has quit. 19:53:28 -!- Rogue has joined. 21:10:28 -!- kipple has quit. 21:28:31 -!- Rogue has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 22:13:09 -!- Keymaker has joined. 22:13:28 aarrgh. the movie is too scary :\ 22:21:24 so i shut down the tv. :) 22:45:41 -!- Keymaker has quit. 2005-02-27: 03:27:01 -!- Rogue has joined. 03:34:24 -!- heatsink has joined. 03:36:30 anybody alive? 03:42:19 yea 03:42:56 ironic 03:43:09 all day, your the only other one to respond 04:00:46 is very quiet in here. 04:00:55 have you seen the logs? 04:01:41 yes 04:01:51 makes for very short reading 04:04:36 -!- Rogue has left (?). 07:22:46 -!- heatsink has quit ("Leaving"). 07:26:14 -!- cmeme has quit (Network is unreachable). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:11:24 -!- Keymaker has joined. 08:11:32 * Keymaker tries to break silence 08:11:56 aaaaarrrgghhhhh it's too strong! nooooooooooooo!!!!!!! 08:16:09 i can't understand why people join this channel for night -- and then go to sleep and let their screen name idle here 08:16:13 :p 08:55:31 -!- Keymaker has quit. 13:32:46 -!- kipple has joined. 17:39:11 -!- Keymaker has joined. 17:46:29 hm 18:11:44 -!- Keymaker has quit. 18:35:34 -!- Guest752 has joined. 18:35:56 hi, there 18:41:12 Hello humans. 18:41:18 hi 18:42:18 I saw that Shakespeare programming language page and I was wondering if this is just meant to be funny or serious 18:45:18 don't be so talk-active, I can't respond to everyone if you keep on chatting so fast 18:47:18 hah 18:47:27 its just for fun, of course. 18:47:31 But some take it serious. 18:47:39 It's a very nice and unique hobby. 18:47:51 Especially doing things like writing optimizing BrainF*ck compilers etc. 18:48:24 I read the Helloworld example for this language but I didn't get anything 18:49:25 it's pretty hard to understand why people are doing this 19:19:00 -!- Guest752 has quit. 20:58:46 -!- Keymaker has joined. 21:00:17 Guest752: no matter the language, we just program software to earn our living ;) 21:00:19 just jokin' 21:00:26 and i know he/she isn't here anymore 21:00:40 anyways, i'll write longer message now 21:04:21 yeah, this is for fun, although i should take it more seriously. anyways, in my humble opinion world doesn't need that much more programs that do something "useful", like convert cd burners, mp3 players, web design tools, etc.. and that's why it's better to use languages that are a bit more limited and offer enjoyment, and make programs that do interesting stuff, like printing Hello World!, calculate pi, do cellular automaton, print their own source.. :) 21:05:25 the point is: languages like C are there only to make it easier to write interpreter for new esoteric programming languages 21:05:48 and, don't mind my splelling mistkaes 21:16:26 -!- kipple has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 21:18:48 anyways. can't find better language than brainfuck, no matter how i think or search. 21:18:52 nite 21:18:54 -!- Keymaker has quit. 23:58:21 -!- calamari has joined. 2005-02-28: 01:26:47 -!- cmeme has joined. 01:31:38 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 03:35:23 -!- heatsink has joined. 04:59:39 -!- rwilco has joined. 05:00:42 -!- rwilco has left (?). 05:09:59 -!- cmeme has quit (Remote closed the connection). 05:12:11 -!- cmeme has joined. 05:12:29 -!- cmeme has quit (Remote closed the connection). 05:13:23 -!- cmeme has joined. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 09:14:58 -!- heatsink has quit ("Leaving"). 18:11:51 -!- calamari has joined. 22:18:20 -!- calamari has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 23:32:57 teh brainfuck is teh fucking with my teh brain 23:33:07 [-] TO MY BRAIN!