00:09:07 -!- Keymaker has joined. 00:09:49 arke: who buys gmail accounts anyways..? :p 00:10:21 "23:28:14 you don't need any money to stay alive for a month" 00:10:23 lol 00:10:37 yeah, eating garbage is fun 00:11:28 anyways.. why not living in germany anymore? 00:12:59 {^Raven^}: yeah, even the brainfuck is the game designer's right-hand tool, there aren't many games for it, at least i haven't seen 00:13:24 i should make one, i've planned for long, but never got started on it :) "needs planning" 00:13:40 (i mean never got started on making the game) 00:13:59 <{^Raven^}> i've had a play, need to find a nice 'terp 00:14:31 ? 'terp? 00:14:47 <{^Raven^}> interpreter, virtual machine type thingy 00:14:55 ah, yes.. 00:16:26 <{^Raven^}> got a basic adventure game up and running 00:16:34 <{^Raven^}> just need to figure out a nice parser 00:16:42 neato 00:16:49 hmmm 00:16:55 parser can be a bit hard to do 00:17:07 possible, but hard :) 00:17:58 <{^Raven^}> main concern is speed, i can code in as much flexibility as i want but it'll run like a snail on sleeping tablets 00:18:15 :) 00:18:17 yeah 00:18:52 it can take easily a lot calculation power 00:19:32 we have to wait a few years more to get the cool stuff running in brainfuck :) 00:19:51 nah, just joking.. there's plenty of cool stuff already.. 00:20:05 <{^Raven^}> i've thought about some interesting stuff that be possible but my C coding sucks 00:20:10 Keymaker: parents moved and I was only 13 at the time, so I had to come with. I never wanted to. :/ 00:20:36 arke: ok :\ 00:20:45 and.. 00:21:00 me no good at c either 00:21:06 C sucks :D 00:21:10 yeah 00:21:15 :) 00:21:41 <{^Raven^}> it's about as portable as BF so the seem to be stuck together atm 00:21:56 :) 00:22:41 <{^Raven^}> it would be nice to extend the functionality of BF with an OS abstraction layer without changing the language in any way 00:22:52 indeed 00:23:03 good way to mess up the computer :D 00:23:09 <{^Raven^}> so we could potentially do real file i/o and accept command line options 00:23:14 yeah 00:23:32 eof is a problem today 00:23:54 in 8-bit implementations that i use 00:24:13 <{^Raven^}> i make ppl put an @ at the end of the input file 00:24:57 <{^Raven^}> it makes my life a bit easier and is less implementation dependant 00:25:10 yeah, but what about files that have allkinds of values from 0 to 255? 00:25:24 <{^Raven^}> that's why I reckon we need an abstraction layer 00:25:36 yeah 00:26:09 <{^Raven^}> thus, you want to check for eof so you do something like [-].+++++., 00:26:39 <{^Raven^}> 'terp would recognise that as special command number 5 and write back a byte that gives the EOF 00:26:54 hmm 00:27:08 something like that would be good 00:27:52 not to add any new instructions, but to add more functionality for '.' 00:27:59 <{^Raven^}> you could implement as many special commands as would be useful 00:28:10 yeah 00:28:12 <{^Raven^}> no, I would keep the language itself exactly the same 00:28:14 {^Raven^}: jeffry was working on something like this. 00:28:36 damn, what's his nick again.... caligari, i think? 00:28:43 calamari 00:28:48 :) 00:28:49 that's it, thanks :) 00:29:09 <{^Raven^}> he's a damn fine coder that guy 00:29:13 yah 00:29:24 <{^Raven^}> bfasm is so way above my head... 00:29:39 :) 00:30:13 <{^Raven^}> the beauty of an abstraction layer is that once it is stable, the main interpreter could be written for any esoteric language 00:30:58 <{^Raven^}> do you know if jeffry is still working on his idea for one? 00:31:06 dunno 00:31:55 <{^Raven^}> it's good to know that more than just me might find it useful 00:32:04 :) 00:33:02 brainfuck is optimal for developing some nice software 00:33:07 like.. uhm... 00:33:47 cat :) 00:33:50 {^Raven^}: afaik, he's working on it as a full-fledged operating system. 00:34:03 <{^Raven^}> oh wow! 00:34:17 but the layer is just a protocol, it could be implemented for other os'es... 00:34:31 the useful thing would be to have the same protocol 00:34:50 yeah 00:34:51 dare i say "standardized"...? no, i daren't. :) 00:34:55 :) 00:35:04 btw; anyone knows what this is? 00:35:06 http://martin.egy.nu/BFOS/ 00:35:07 <{^Raven^}> an abstraction layer providing at least similiar functionality to the C library 00:35:53 yeah 00:36:26 and as well, i've never taken any closer look on that bfos, but it's not the calamari's project 00:37:07 <{^Raven^}> it looks like program to write a bootdisk for an esoteric OS 00:37:32 ok 00:38:07 <{^Raven^}> did you like my site Keymaker? this is kindof freaky buy i spotted you in my logs... 00:38:25 hmm.. 00:38:29 what was your site called? 00:38:30 <{^Raven^}> of all the IPs in all the worls and that kind of stuff 00:38:36 <{^Raven^}> jonripley.com 00:38:41 yah 00:38:45 i liked 00:38:55 <{^Raven^}> thx 00:38:57 :) 00:39:46 <{^Raven^}> do you know if Daniel C ever pops on here? 00:39:59 guess have i been waiting... :) 00:40:10 <{^Raven^}> waiting? 00:40:17 yeah 00:40:34 though, not actually 00:40:40 anymore 00:40:49 since there's e-mail :) 00:40:50 <{^Raven^}> ok...now i'm confused 00:41:00 i meant that when i first came to this channel 00:41:14 i because i wanted to chat to dbc "live" :) 00:41:18 but that has never happened 00:41:30 <{^Raven^}> ahh 00:41:37 instead, we've sent plenty of e-mail 00:47:24 as well, according to my luck, if he happens to visit this place sometime, then i'm probably somewhere not here. :\ 00:47:45 <{^Raven^}> cpressey: found the BOS section of his site and it does look interesting, would have never thought of implementing low level disk access and stuff 00:51:01 but.. 00:51:08 i think i'll go to sleep 00:51:15 3 am here 00:51:20 'nite 00:51:21 <{^Raven^}> 1am 00:51:23 <{^Raven^}> nite 00:51:27 -!- Keymaker has left (?). 03:49:46 -!- puzzlet has joined. 07:49:29 -!- puzzlet has quit. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 09:25:54 -!- puzzlet has joined. 10:49:04 -!- dbc has joined. 10:54:04 I just sent you email with a list of comments and suggestions. 10:58:32 -!- sedric has joined. 11:15:33 And now I'm going to sleep, but not before the customary ASCII art fractal. 11:15:45 ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ 11:15:45 ++-++ ++-++ ++-++ ++-++ ++-++ ++-++ ++-++ ++-++ 11:15:45 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 11:15:45 ++-+---+-++ ++-+---+-++ ++-+---+-++ ++-+---+-++ 11:15:55 ++ | | ++ ++ | | ++ ++ | | ++ ++ | | ++ 11:15:55 | | | | | | | | 11:15:55 ++ | | | | ++ ++ | | | | ++ 11:15:55 ++-+---+-------+---+-++ ++-+---+-------+---+-++ 11:16:02 | | | | | | | | | | | | 11:16:03 ++-++ | | ++-++ ++-++ | | ++-++ 11:16:03 ++ ++ | | ++ ++ ++ ++ | | ++ ++ 11:16:03 | | | | 11:16:10 ++ ++ | | | | ++ ++ 11:16:10 ++-++ | | | | ++-++ 11:16:10 | | | | | | | | 11:16:10 ++-+---+-------+---------------+-------+---+-++ 11:16:18 ++ | | | | | | ++ 11:16:18 | | | | | | 11:16:18 ++ | | ++ | | ++ | | ++ 11:16:18 ++-+---+-++ | | ++-+---+-++ 11:16:28 | | | | | | | | | | 11:16:29 ++-++ ++-++ | | ++-++ ++-++ 11:16:29 ++ ++ ++ ++ | | ++ ++ ++ ++ 11:16:29 | | 11:16:38 ++ ++ ++ ++ | | ++ ++ ++ ++ 11:16:38 ++-++ ++-++ | | ++-++ ++-++ 11:16:38 | | | | | | | | | | 11:16:38 ++-+---+-++ | | ++-+---+-++ 11:16:48 ++ | | ++ | | ++ | | ++ 11:16:49 | | | | | | 11:16:49 ++ | | | | | | ++ 11:16:49 ++-+---+-------+---------------+-------+---+-++ 11:16:56 | | | | | | | | 11:16:56 ++-++ | | | | ++-++ 11:16:56 ++ ++ | | | | ++ ++ 11:16:56 | | | | 11:17:03 ++ ++ | | ++ ++ ++ ++ | | ++ ++ 11:17:03 ++-++ | | ++-++ ++-++ | | ++-++ 11:17:03 | | | | | | | | | | | | 11:17:03 ++-+---+-------+---+-++ ++-+---+-------+---+-++ 11:17:10 ++ | | | | ++ ++ | | | | ++ 11:17:10 | | | | | | | | 11:17:10 ++ | | ++ ++ | | ++ ++ | | ++ ++ | | ++ 11:17:10 ++-+---+-++ ++-+---+-++ ++-+---+-++ ++-+---+-++ 11:17:17 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 11:17:18 ++-++ ++-++ ++-++ ++-++ ++-++ ++-++ ++-++ ++-++ 11:17:18 ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ 11:17:34 Good night people. 11:17:44 -!- dbc has quit ("you have no chance to survive make your time."). 11:40:13 -!- puzzlet has quit ("bye"). 13:49:40 -!- fizzie has quit (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:50:26 -!- fizzie has joined. 17:51:54 -!- sedric has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 18:09:39 -!- lament has quit (Remote closed the connection). 18:09:45 -!- lament has joined. 20:09:19 -!- Keymaker has joined. 20:09:33 aaargh.. can't.. be.. true.. 20:10:23 i was away when dbc happened to visit.. 20:10:37 <{^Raven^}> it is almost as if you willed it 20:10:44 ? 20:10:52 <{^Raven^}> to happen 20:10:58 why do you think so? 20:11:36 <{^Raven^}> when you mentioned wanting to see him in here yesterday :) 20:11:41 yeah 20:12:33 i didn't understand your text first, sorry :) 20:14:26 just when i happen to be away the visiting happens.. i could have guessed this 20:15:10 either the way, the ascii art was cool once again :) 20:38:21 hi 20:42:50 hi 20:44:26 <{^Raven^}> hullo 21:10:21 hm.. can't get the idea for a keen 3 mod.. been trying for a month already.. 21:14:13 grrrh 21:14:49 * Keymaker tries to think.. 21:14:57 counterstrike mod for keen 21:14:57 lol 21:15:04 hehe :) 22:12:55 good night.. 22:13:00 -!- Keymaker has quit.