00:04:04 <pgimeno> here in Spain people try to make distinctions by language while the rest of the world are making efforts towards unification :(
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00:08:18 <GregorR> H'lo calamari.
00:08:50 <GregorR> Let's see how immense Gregor's Spanish vocabulary is from the two terms he took...
00:09:03 <GregorR> Me llamo Gregor.
00:09:18 <GregorR> Yo estoy ... adjective.
00:09:32 <calamari> hi GregorR
00:09:44 <calamari> err.. hola ;)
00:09:58 <GregorR> Oh, that's the other word I know.
00:10:02 <calamari> como esta usted?
00:10:03 <GregorR> That makes 5.
00:10:15 <GregorR> Yo estoy bueno.
00:10:26 <GregorR> I don't need "yo," do I?
00:10:30 <GregorR> Estoy bueno.
00:10:43 <GregorR> ?Y usted?
00:11:02 <GregorR> Sorry for mangling your language pgimeno :P
00:11:30 <calamari> Bien, pero Linux es dificil
00:11:50 <GregorR> Good, but Linux is a word I don't know.
00:11:53 <GregorR> Ah yes, I see.
00:11:56 <GregorR> :-P
00:12:02 <pgimeno> hi :)
00:12:08 <calamari> Gnome, actually.. being a pita 
00:12:36 <pgimeno> calamari, http://lilly.csoft.net/~jeffryj/wiki/index.php?pagename=GeneralDiscussion
00:13:00 <GregorR> I'm a KDE user myself.
00:13:14 <GregorR> They're both very cool.
00:14:25 <pgimeno> rather than "Yo estoy bueno" it'd be "Estoy bien" ("Yo estoy bueno" is something like "I look awesome" in local slang)
00:16:46 <KnX> remember me something ...
00:16:57 <KnX> spent a whole week in a family in spain
00:17:02 <KnX> for a school travel
00:17:22 <KnX> saying "estas bueno" or something like this to say it was ok
00:17:44 <KnX> at last the ( in fact beautifull ) girl of the home told us about our mistake
00:17:59 <pgimeno> :)
00:18:57 <calamari> pgimeno: It'll last.. it's on my shell, which I use for E-mail, and never plan to get rid of ($5/month how can I beat that?)
00:19:04 <pgimeno> is there an official character encoding in FreeNode?
00:19:15 <calamari> pgimeno: not exactly crazy about that wiki software tho.. seems slow and buggy
00:19:30 <pgimeno> calamari: yeah it looks a bit buggy :)
00:19:31 <calamari> sometimes it renders the page wrong for me.. refresh and its fine
00:19:42 <pgimeno> I can't get it right even after refresh
00:19:50 <pgimeno> maybe a stylesheet issue or something
00:20:00 <calamari> yeah.. kinda weird
00:20:54 <pgimeno> anyway, in case you plan to maintain it for at least, say, five years I'd go for that
00:23:21 <pgimeno> maybe MoinMoin works better than that
00:25:14 <KnX> somebody knows why programming creativity explodes after midnight ?
00:25:40 <pgimeno> because otherwise how else would you be late to work?
00:26:29 <GregorR> I wonder if I could write a quine in 2L (no)
00:26:42 <pgimeno> sounds eeky
00:26:51 <GregorR> Sounds like one form of painful death.
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02:48:20 <GregorR> Hoi
02:48:29 <GregorR> All the Europeans are asleep I imagine.
03:00:12 <pgimeno> I'm geeker than that actually
03:01:27 <GregorR> Wowsa.
03:01:31 <GregorR> You're awake.
03:03:09 <pgimeno> not for long but yes
03:03:47 <GregorR> http://www.befunge.org/fyb/ork/partialSpec
03:04:02 <GregorR> It's not done or pretty, but it has the basics.
03:04:44 <pgimeno> yay!
03:06:16 <pgimeno> a suggestion: try to differentiate the language constructs from the regular text, e.g. by indenting language constructs
03:06:27 <GregorR> Good point.
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03:08:40 <pgimeno> wee, and you say you have a compiler for it?!
03:09:46 <pgimeno> did I already say it rocks?
03:09:58 <GregorR> Yes :-P
03:10:01 <GregorR> The compiler is up there.
03:10:05 <GregorR> ork-0.4.tar.bz2
03:10:07 <GregorR> And ork-0.4.zip
03:10:12 <GregorR> 0.5 is coming soon...
03:10:22 <pgimeno> whoa
03:10:22 <GregorR> It has some nice ascii-code-to-string-and-back conversion.
03:10:39 <GregorR> Don't look at ork.c 8-D
03:10:41 <GregorR> It will hurt you.
03:10:50 <pgimeno> you're going to burst my exclamation abilities
03:11:08 <pgimeno> burst is the right word here?
03:11:26 <GregorR> I think so, if you're saying what I think you're saying :-P
03:11:53 <GregorR> I think ORK can take it's place as esoterica's needlessly object oriented language, no?
03:11:58 <pgimeno> I mean, I'll run out of exclamations before I express it
03:12:05 <GregorR> Yeah, that's what I thought :-P
03:12:23 <pgimeno> I really think so
03:12:36 <pgimeno> it would not be too hard to interpret, I think
03:13:44 <GregorR> It's just easier to compile to C++ *shrugs*
03:13:52 <GregorR> That way I don't actually have to worry about the object orientation 8-D
03:14:20 <pgimeno> hehe, that's what I supposed
03:14:54 <pgimeno> I still haven't been able to get hold of any OOPS version
03:14:59 <GregorR> Sad :(
03:15:11 <GregorR> Let's make a pact to keep ORK alive :-P
03:15:42 <pgimeno> it's your only potential competitor and there's no instance of the OOPS class so I guess yours is it :)
03:16:09 <pgimeno> yours is the OO esoteric language, I mean
03:16:17 <GregorR> Heheh
03:16:21 <GregorR> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
03:16:28 <GregorR> MY BF INTERPRETER (missing features) WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
03:16:38 <GregorR> Once I get loops working, I'm in da money!!!!
03:17:04 <pgimeno> in ORK?
03:17:13 <GregorR> Yup :)
03:17:29 <GregorR> It's quite possibly the ugliest thing ever :)
03:17:54 <pgimeno> [insert funny exclamation here]!
03:17:58 <GregorR> lol
03:18:16 <GregorR> Well, I'm going to dive deep into loops, so I probably won't be responsive for at least a half hour.
03:18:24 <GregorR> If you're still awake then ... holy crap man, go to sleep ;)
03:18:29 <pgimeno> I have to leave now actually
03:18:32 <GregorR> Heheh
03:18:33 <GregorR> Bye
03:18:41 <pgimeno> see you tomorrow
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03:56:57 <GregorR-L> It's official.
03:57:00 <GregorR-L> ORK is turing complete.
03:57:04 <GregorR-L> I wrote a BF interpreter in it.
03:57:07 <GregorR-L> It's 255 lines.
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04:13:02 <GregorR-L> In BF, you can make a program that does a disturbing amount of function and fit it easily in 1/2 page.
04:13:14 <GregorR-L> In ORK, the fibonacci sequence is 1 1/2...
04:13:20 <GregorR-L> A BF interpreter is 4...
04:17:58 <GregorR-L> http://www.befunge.org/fyb/ork/orkfuck.ork :)
04:33:27 <GregorR-L> I love how my celebration goes totally unnoted if I celebrate in (my) evening.
04:34:36 <GregorR-L> I'm sure pgimeno will wake up in a half hour at 6:00AM :-P
04:36:01 <KnX> re
04:36:24 <GregorR-L> Hoi
04:36:34 <GregorR-L> Somebody's awake :-P
04:36:55 <GregorR-L> So how's your x-dimensional funge interpreter going?
04:37:50 <KnX> i'll stuck with my current idea
04:38:07 <KnX> a very ugly big hashtable
04:38:21 <GregorR-L> Mind sending me the current code?
04:38:37 <KnX> no current code yet
04:38:52 <GregorR-L> Ahh.
04:38:53 <KnX> juste code thinking and design
04:38:54 <GregorR-L> Just design?
04:38:56 <GregorR-L> Right.
04:39:06 <GregorR-L> Clearly the better way to go, though I usually don't :-P
04:39:38 <KnX> it's a good way if i can manage to no-overdesign the project
04:39:49 <GregorR-L> True as well.
04:40:26 <GregorR-L> The person writing the curses UI for DirectNet spent a ludicrous amount of time on design, and then scrapped large chunks of it when it didn't quite work right :-P
04:42:29 <KnX> i'll have to try directnet
04:43:06 <GregorR-L> Bwahahahah, one advertizement point to me :-P
04:43:16 <KnX> ^^
04:43:51 <KnX> i used the future 
04:44:20 <KnX> wich is usualy exponentialy long according to my todolist
04:45:21 <GregorR-L> Heheh
04:45:31 <GregorR-L> As per many todo lists.
04:45:35 <KnX> humans need a fork mechanism, i am too often in a "A and B are both interesting things to do, wichever to work on first ?"
04:46:02 <GregorR-L> Problem is, once you've forked you can never recombine.
04:46:06 <KnX> and the chosen one becones the not chosen one just after
04:46:29 <GregorR-L> You need pthread_create so that one of them can write it's memory to the other :-P
04:47:45 <KnX> Real Problem (tm) is, if programmers can fork without some kind of sex or girl limitation, for efficiency sake, world is in danger
04:47:55 <GregorR-L> X-D
04:47:58 <GregorR-L> True, true fact.
04:49:06 <KnX> next problem is "it's 5:45 AM, my bag is not ready, i slept 1 hour, i have a 3 hour long bus travel waiting me in 15min"
04:49:41 <GregorR-L> And hence, you will inevitably forget something significant.
04:57:27 <GregorR-L> 8 minutes
05:03:17 <KnX> 8 minutes ?
05:03:18 <KnX> lag ?
05:03:39 <GregorR-L> CTCP TIME says your clock says 5:59 now.
05:03:58 <GregorR-L> Oh, what I meant was you had 8 minutes left ;)
05:05:12 <KnX> oops
05:30:28 <calamari_> GregorR-L:  could you please pass a message to pgimeno when you see 'em?  I've set up a MoinMoin wiki as suggested, and it works a LOT better.  I'm setting my domain to forward http://esowiki.kidsquid.com/ to the wiki. 
05:31:29 <GregorR-L> In all likelihood, he will read that from the log.  If I see him before you, sure.
05:31:41 <calamari_> either way works.  thanks :)
05:33:33 <calamari_> he was worried that it'd be going away soon.. but I have no plans of doing that.  I should have the kidsquid.com domain for a long time, so I'll update the redirect if it's ever needed
06:41:43 <GregorR-L> *yawn*
06:43:11 <calamari_> getting tired? http://esowiki.kidsquid.com/ is up and running :)
06:45:51 <GregorR-L> I'm trying to make binfmt_bf
06:53:22 <GregorR-L> It would be trivial to make it just run bfi...
06:53:29 <GregorR-L> I want to actually implement the interpretation in the kernel.
06:54:03 <calamari_> you mean like elf?
06:55:08 <GregorR-L> Well, the actuall code in ELF files is implemented by the CPU.
06:55:12 <GregorR-L> Which makes this complex...
06:55:13 <calamari_> right
06:55:18 <calamari_> but same idea as elf
06:55:31 <GregorR-L> From the user's perspective.
06:55:33 <calamari_> an elf file isn't calling /bin/elf :)
06:55:39 <GregorR-L> Heheh.
06:55:40 <calamari_> cool
06:55:51 <GregorR-L> Well, right no I'm failing miserably :-P
06:55:51 <calamari_> didn't realize you were a kernel hacker
06:56:57 <GregorR-L> I am if I call myself one 8-D
06:58:25 <GregorR-L> But speaking more seriously, I did make a case insensitive ext3 driver.
06:58:42 <GregorR-L> Unfortunately, it seems that the plethora of usermode programs still makes case insensitivity a problem.
07:29:21 <GregorR-L> Grr
07:29:34 <GregorR-L> I don't think I can do it by any means other than running it through bfi :(
07:36:35 <GregorR-L>   ? ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
07:36:35 <GregorR-L>   ? ?                                [*] Kernel support for Brainfuck binaries                                        ? ?
07:36:35 <GregorR-L>   ? ?                                [ ] Kernel support for ELF binaries                                              ? ?
07:36:39 <GregorR-L>   ? ?                                [ ] Kernel support for a.out and ECOFF binaries                                  ? ?
07:36:42 <GregorR-L>   ? ?                                [ ] Kernel support for MISC binaries                                             ? ?
07:39:18 <GregorR-L> LOL!
07:39:39 <GregorR-L> I just found small.c on esoteric.sange.fi on the same day it was posted!
07:39:46 <GregorR-L> It's good to know that site is still kept up.
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09:07:56 <Keymakere> hello
09:08:04 <Keymakere> wow; great stuff GregorR
09:08:18 <Keymakere> nice to see more brainfuck interpreters in other esoteric languages
09:08:32 <Keymakere> impressive work
09:11:14 <Keymakere> as well, good job with the manual but i think you should tell more clearly about stuff
09:11:22 <Keymakere> (and yeah i know it's not final version yet ;))
09:11:40 <Keymakere> like *every* thing there is in the language
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09:14:13 <Keymakere> hi
09:14:21 <calamari> hi Keymaker
09:14:25 <Keymakere> hiya
09:14:47 <Keymakere> anyways, to repeat, i'm really impressed of ORK :) although it's too esoteric for me :p
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11:44:08 <fizzie> If you just want to run an interpreter, you could do it with binfmt_misc. JIT-compilation of brainf*ck code to native, in the kernel, would rule, though. :p
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11:54:23 <pgimeno> moin
11:54:50 <Keymaker> hi
11:54:52 <Keymaker> do'h
11:54:59 <Keymaker> too bad i gotta go now :)
11:55:04 <Keymaker> bus won't wait
11:55:06 <Keymaker> bbl
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11:55:12 <pgimeno> oops, later
11:57:23 <pgimeno> ok, the esoteric-related to-do list is currently: 1) praise GregorR for ORK; 2) make some work in the EsoWiki; 3) make something with my cat program in Malbolge...
11:57:42 <pgimeno> KnX: is there such thing as a Fork Theorem?
11:59:32 <pgimeno> GregorR: what'd I say... I'm impressed about ORK
12:21:22 <pgimeno> calamari, good work! Who's to announce the esowiki to the mailing list? you or me?
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16:57:53 <Keymaker> cowabunga!
16:58:02 <Keymaker> or something like that
17:07:19 <pgimeno> hey
17:09:10 <pgimeno> so you did'nt get late to the bus
17:09:39 <pgimeno> or did it wait for you after all?
17:19:46 <Keymaker> hi
17:19:50 <Keymaker> yes
17:19:53 <Keymaker> or no
17:19:57 <Keymaker> it wouldn't have waited
17:20:08 <Keymaker> since it's public transport it just goes by if you don't stop it.
17:20:23 <Keymaker> but i wanted to go with that bus and therefore had to go, so i could stop it on time
17:20:42 <pgimeno> k
17:36:14 <Keymaker> bll.. again :D
17:36:17 <Keymaker> bye
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18:58:39 <lament> this channel is so insanely busy these days
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18:58:47 <lament> amazing
19:00:30 <pgimeno> I feel a bit guilty
19:00:41 <GregorR> Keymaker: There was a reason I called it a PARTIAL spec ;)
19:00:43 <GregorR> Hi all.
19:00:49 <pgimeno> hi GregorR
19:00:52 <GregorR> I'll only be here for a few minutes right now :-P
19:01:03 <pgimeno> heh, me too
19:01:09 <pgimeno> I'm going to have some social life for a change
19:01:21 <GregorR> But ... but I thought #esoteric was your social life :'(
19:01:21 <lament> whoa
19:01:34 <pgimeno> hehe, mostly
19:10:42 <pgimeno> later all
20:07:18 <GregorR> It's noon here, and yet you're probably all quite gone.;
20:07:28 <GregorR> Because it's 9PM.
20:08:12 <lament> okay
20:08:39 <GregorR> Hey, you're in my timezone 8-D
20:09:07 <lament> oaky
20:09:24 <GregorR> And now, I am to eat :-P
20:09:48 <lament> oyak
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21:35:46 <Keymaker> hello
21:37:15 <lament> hi
21:37:37 <Keymaker> hi
22:09:17 <Keymaker> hm
22:09:22 <Keymaker> i'm tired
22:09:30 <Keymaker> this is unfair!
22:09:44 <Keymaker> well. see you in the morning.
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