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15:27:04 <Keymaker> grrrrrrrrrrrrrh
15:27:09 <Keymaker> hi
15:27:23 <kipple> hi
15:27:35 <Keymaker> hi kipple
15:29:17 <Keymaker> i paid the bf-hacks.org today (20 euros).. now it's just waiting till they get the domain up and running
15:29:24 <Keymaker> (and till i make the site..)
15:29:30 <Keymaker> (should probably start soon)
15:29:49 <Keymaker> (although the site won't be anything ground breaking by its design)
15:30:35 <kipple> so, what are you planning to have there?
15:30:41 <Keymaker> brainfuck stuff
15:30:47 <Keymaker> my programs
15:30:50 <Keymaker> links
15:30:58 <Keymaker> and info about brainfuck
15:31:05 <pgimeno> hi all
15:31:09 <Keymaker> hi
15:31:18 <pgimeno> your site will be up in time to get linked from my site
15:31:27 <Keymaker> :)
15:31:44 <pgimeno> I'm currently working in a thorough reorganization
15:31:52 <pgimeno> including new content and stuff
15:32:08 <Keymaker> i see
15:32:10 <Keymaker> sounds good!
15:32:16 <Keymaker> btw, what was the url?
15:32:25 <pgimeno> http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/
15:32:27 <kipple> my webserver collapsed last week, so I don't have a site anymore... :(
15:32:33 <Keymaker> d'oh
15:32:55 <pgimeno> ow
15:33:06 <Keymaker> do you have the kipple programs? are they safe?
15:33:10 <kipple> yeah
15:33:42 <pgimeno> I'm paying for a hosting so that's no concern to me atm
15:34:03 <Keymaker> kipple: good!
15:34:11 <Keymaker> pgimeno: yeah
15:34:48 <kipple> I ran it on an old 180MHz machine under my bed...
15:34:57 <pgimeno> 180?
15:35:03 <kipple> yep
15:35:15 <pgimeno> I don't recall to have seen a 180 MHz machine
15:35:29 <kipple> I underclocked it so it doesn't need a CPU fan
15:35:37 <pgimeno> oh :)
15:35:51 <Keymaker> hehe
15:35:54 <kipple> to be more precise I think it runs at 187,5 MHz. Originally 233
15:36:07 <pgimeno> cool (with double sense)
15:36:13 <Keymaker> what happened to the machine?
15:36:27 <Keymaker> did it caught in fire the last week? :9
15:36:35 <kipple> the harddisk crashed
15:36:42 <kipple> don't know how much is recoverable
15:36:45 <Keymaker> ok
15:36:54 <pgimeno> uh
15:36:55 <kipple> haven't had the time to look into it
15:37:04 <pgimeno> any valuable data in there, or just the webserver?
15:37:40 <kipple> I used it to store a lot of movie files. Nothing important, but nice to have
15:37:48 <pgimeno> oh
15:38:15 <kipple> It had more Gigabytes of HD than MHz :)
15:38:23 <pgimeno> if you're lucky your disk crash can have been like mine, just a few unreadable sectors here and there
15:38:25 <pgimeno> hehe
15:38:34 <Keymaker> :)
15:39:23 <kipple> yeah, I hope I can recover it
15:39:40 <pgimeno> btw, have you tried cpuburn on it?
15:39:50 <kipple> what's that?
15:39:58 <pgimeno> a CPU heater
15:40:11 <pgimeno> it just sucks CPU resources, exercising all circuits
15:40:43 <kipple> what's the purpose of that? to test the CPU?
15:40:48 <pgimeno> it's dangerous but if the chip supports the stress you can say it'll support all kinds of normal loads
15:41:01 <pgimeno> yeah
15:41:40 <kipple> I don't think the CPU is the problem. 
15:41:52 <pgimeno> yeah, I know
15:42:28 <pgimeno> I'm just amazed it can run without a fan
15:43:04 <kipple> It's a very old CPU (1997 or something, I think), and I installed a new large heatsink on it
15:43:06 <pgimeno> my machine is also underclocked; otherwise I had to avoid running emulators and cpu-consuming programs during summer, even if I have a big fan pointing to the case
15:43:42 <Keymaker> i see.. is there hot there in spain?
15:44:03 <pgimeno> not much, about 35C in the hottest days
15:44:09 <kipple> well, I live in Norway, so that is not so much of a problem... :)
15:44:23 <Keymaker> wow
15:44:31 <Keymaker> didn't know, or at least remember, that
15:44:44 <pgimeno> http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/dsc02325.jpg
15:44:59 <kipple> hehe
15:45:00 <Keymaker> hehe
15:45:18 <Keymaker> that kind of thing would be nice to have on desk
15:45:30 <Keymaker> and to be pointed at me instead of the computer :)
15:45:36 <pgimeno> the fan looks static because the flash freezed the image but it's running
15:45:46 <pgimeno> heh
15:45:55 <pgimeno> I need another one for myself
15:46:17 <kipple> so, where in the world are you, Keymaker?
15:46:21 <Keymaker> finland
15:46:47 <kipple> ah :)
15:46:55 <Keymaker> it's quite strange that there are some others from that country, here, as well
15:47:40 <Keymaker> (i mean from finland)
15:47:49 <pgimeno> yep
15:47:53 <fizzie> It's only +13.31'C outside, I'm not sure what you'd need a fan for.
15:48:15 <Keymaker> only?! too hot :X(
15:48:36 <pgimeno> hehe
15:48:38 <Keymaker> i prefer the winter temperatures (which were way too high this winter)
15:48:59 <Keymaker> well, at least gotta hope for rainy summer >:{}
15:49:20 <Keymaker> :)
15:49:32 <Keymaker> or well
15:49:37 <Keymaker> at least
15:49:43 <Keymaker> not sunny
15:49:57 <Keymaker> dry and cloudy could be something interesting as well
15:50:02 <kipple> it's around 12C here
15:50:19 <Keymaker> ok
15:50:54 <pgimeno> a little poll: what encoding are you all using? to see if we can read each other's extended chars
15:50:55 <Keymaker> are the those.. what were those that slartibartfast (correct?) designed?
15:51:00 <Keymaker> *are there
15:51:08 <pgimeno> hehe
15:51:18 <Keymaker> or well i know there are but do you live near them?
15:51:47 <kipple> fjords?
15:53:19 <Keymaker> i guess
15:53:44 <kipple> Yes, I live among them. (Bergen)
15:53:49 <Keymaker> ah cool!
15:53:57 <Keymaker> must look nice, at least in pictures
15:54:12 <kipple> and my web server that collapsed was named slartibartfast :)
15:54:20 <Keymaker> :D
15:55:23 <Keymaker> do those car roads do allkinds of crazy turns, or are they located near the sea?
15:55:36 <Keymaker> in some pictures i've seen them
15:55:44 <kipple> yeah. some places
15:55:51 <kipple> but tunnels are also VERY common here
15:55:55 <Keymaker> there's better drive slowly :)
15:55:57 <Keymaker> ah
15:56:00 <Keymaker> tunnels are cool
15:56:16 <Keymaker> too bad there isn't much
15:56:19 <Keymaker> i think
15:56:27 <kipple> much what?
15:56:50 <Keymaker> i mean many
15:56:55 <Keymaker> arg
15:56:57 <Keymaker> sorry
15:57:10 <Keymaker> i meant too bad HERE aren't MANY tunnels
15:57:10 <kipple> tunnels? there are loads of tunnels here
15:57:11 <Keymaker> lol
15:57:14 <kipple> ah
15:57:16 <Keymaker> :)
15:57:21 <Keymaker> i was just typing and didn't think
15:57:27 <Keymaker> i meant all time finland
15:57:31 <kipple> well, they're quite boring to drive through actually
15:57:37 <Keymaker> hmm
15:58:12 <kipple> the worlds longest tunnel is near here (24,5 km)
15:58:16 <Keymaker> woah
15:58:23 <Keymaker> that's insane!
15:58:31 <Keymaker> is there any place the air can get in or out?
15:58:38 <Keymaker> or sunlight?
15:58:42 <kipple> and there is another one just before it, but that one is *only* 10 or 15 or something
15:58:52 <Keymaker> X)
15:58:56 <kipple> there are huge fans in the ceiling 
15:59:00 <Keymaker> wow
15:59:01 <kipple> no sunligt
15:59:05 <Keymaker> cool!
15:59:14 <Keymaker> have to visit norway sometime..
16:00:02 * GregorR appears briefly.
16:00:09 <Keymaker> :)
16:00:12 <Keymaker> hello
16:00:17 <GregorR> Hoi
16:00:30 <pgimeno> hi GregorR 
16:00:35 <kipple> hi
16:00:45 <GregorR> Wow, quite the crowd right now./
16:00:50 <Keymaker> yeah
16:01:05 <kipple> Keymaker: wikiepedia to the rescue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%E6rdal_Tunnel
16:01:05 <kipple> :)
16:01:14 <Keymaker> cheers
16:02:11 <Keymaker> whoa
16:02:17 <Keymaker> that's insanely cool place!
16:02:33 <Keymaker> (or then i'm just insane)
16:02:39 <kipple> or both
16:03:16 <Keymaker> :)
16:03:19 <kipple> anyway, it has stopped raining here now, so I'll use the break to go and by some groceries. see you later
16:03:40 <GregorR> That's kind of freaky...
16:03:43 <GregorR> It just stopped raining here.
16:03:59 <kipple> and where is "here" for you?
16:04:04 <GregorR> Portland, Oregon
16:04:29 <GregorR> , USA
16:05:00 <GregorR> , Earth, Sol, Milky Way
16:05:07 <Keymaker> bye
16:05:36 <Keymaker> where?
16:05:42 <GregorR> I'm off too (I said I was here briefly), so, bye.
16:05:47 <Keymaker> :)
16:08:55 <pgimeno> later
17:25:36 <Keymaker> hmm
17:25:42 <Keymaker> what should i do;
17:25:53 <Keymaker> fit all the stuff on one page (index.html)
17:26:03 <Keymaker> or the spread it on several pages
17:26:17 <Keymaker> *then
17:29:13 <fizzie> Re encoding, I'm using UTF-8 mostly, except ISO-8859-15 in irc (although this new irssi has some heuristics to intelligently guess and properly show incoming utf-8).
17:29:30 <Keymaker> ?
17:29:32 <fizzie> (A small two-hour lag with answering.)
17:29:37 <Keymaker> ah
17:29:39 <Keymaker> :)
17:32:57 <pgimeno> about the encoding... do you see it if I write 12ºC or España or café?
17:40:02 <Keymaker> gonna take few hours ;)
17:44:05 <pgimeno> do you see it, Keymaker?
17:44:44 <pgimeno> take your time, I can wait ;)
17:48:25 <Keymaker> yeah
17:48:28 <Keymaker> i can see them
17:49:26 <Keymaker> and even write 2/3 of them.. ñérdy, eh?
17:49:48 <Keymaker> (actually not..)
17:50:05 <pgimeno> heh :)
17:50:54 <fizzie> Yes, those work, although I don't think that character before C (º) is a correct "degree" symbol.
17:51:11 <pgimeno> no it's not but the correct one is not in a spanish keyboard :P
17:51:35 <pgimeno> I was lazy to launch UniCharMap
17:52:27 <fizzie> ° it is.
17:52:51 <fizzie> I can't type it with this keyboard, either.
17:53:21 <fizzie> Although I _can_ type a lot of non-latin1 characters. ð and þ probably do not work.
17:53:26 <Keymaker> °_°
17:53:35 <pgimeno> hehe
17:53:39 <Keymaker> :)
17:54:03 <fizzie> I used to have a working "altgr+l" lambda key, but now it creates this weird "l with /" Å‚ character.
17:54:40 <Keymaker> >°,_,°<
17:54:53 <Keymaker> (fish swimming towards)
17:55:14 <pgimeno> hehe, looks nice
17:55:17 <fizzie> There's an upwards-arrow here too, ↑. Actually the keymap feels pretty random. I wonder if I still have my customized one somewhere.
17:55:44 <pgimeno> it switches to UTF-8 and I can't see these chars
17:57:15 <fizzie> Mmm. They really should adopt utf-8 as a common standard in irc.
17:57:50 <pgimeno> I thought it was, but there are a few widely-used stupid Windows clients still not supporting it
17:58:19 <Keymaker> this seems to support
17:58:27 <Keymaker> (i'm with XiRCON)
17:59:44 <pgimeno> I use xchat and had FreeNode configured for UTF-8 but I had to switch because I also chat with spanish Windozers
18:00:36 <Keymaker> ok
18:01:38 <fizzie> I used to use XiRCON when it was released, since I had a dual-boot box back then, but I think after version 1.0b4 the development just sorta-died. A pity, it seemed like a nice enough client.
18:01:39 <pgimeno> @ójò
18:21:49 <Keymaker> grgh
18:22:00 <Keymaker> i need to go
18:22:07 <Keymaker> i hope i can come back today later
18:22:15 <Keymaker> bye
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20:16:52 <GregorR-L> My topic is still there X-D
20:20:53 <kipple> hadn't noticed that one
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20:20:58 <kipple> fun concept :)
20:21:00 <Keymaker> yes
20:22:54 <GregorR-L> Heheh
20:43:16 <Keymaker> hmm
20:47:07 <GregorR-L> Hmm?
20:49:29 <Keymaker> hmmm
20:49:35 <Keymaker> i'm just thinking
20:49:36 <Keymaker> i guess
20:51:29 <GregorR-L> lol
20:51:35 <Keymaker> :)
20:51:37 <GregorR-L> Thinking huh?
20:51:43 <GregorR-L> What an interesting concept ;)
20:51:45 <Keymaker> well, almost
20:51:54 <Keymaker> :)
20:56:35 <GregorR-L> Well, I think I'll go finish up my ORK spec.
20:56:40 <Keymaker> ok
20:56:46 <Keymaker> i think i'll go to sleep
20:56:51 <Keymaker> :)
20:56:55 <Keymaker> 'nite
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21:17:36 <GregorR-L> http://www.befunge.org/fyb/ork/README < slightly updated, but I've gtg :-P
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22:52:39 <KnX> could someone explain me why same-line wrapping is called lahey-space wrapping, i can't find doc about lahey-space except befunge-related ?
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23:02:46 <GregorR-L> To install 2L on this robot ... or not to install 2L on this robot ... that is the question.
23:03:52 <kipple> robot?
23:06:01 <kipple> btw, in the compare example in the ORK spec, you say the output will be "greater". But it should be Equal, shouldn't it?
23:07:40 <GregorR-L> Umm, lemme see how dumb I am :-P
23:07:41 <GregorR-L> One sec
23:08:07 <GregorR-L> Umm...
23:08:09 <GregorR-L> Clearly 5 > 5
23:08:15 <GregorR-L> I don't know what YOU'RE thinking.
23:08:36 <kipple> sorry. my mistake. wasn't thinking esoterically enough I guess
23:08:43 <GregorR-L> Fixed ;)
23:08:45 <GregorR-L> X-D
23:33:51 <GregorR-L> Thinkin' about writing a program in ORK? :P
23:34:30 <kipple> maybe :)
23:34:59 <GregorR-L> Heheh
23:34:59 <GregorR-L> You have a lang, right?
23:36:14 <kipple> That I've made myself, you mean? Yes.
23:36:30 <GregorR-L> That's what I thought.
23:36:33 <GregorR-L> Where's the spec?
23:36:35 <kipple> Kipple
23:36:41 <kipple> my webserver crashed
23:36:42 <GregorR-L> That's why I thought so ;)
23:36:47 <GregorR-L> Hmm
23:37:09 <kipple> I'll get it up again. wikipedia some info
23:37:39 <kipple> "has some info " it should be
23:38:59 <GregorR-L> Hey, I like it >:)
23:39:59 <kipple> thanks :)
23:40:43 <GregorR-L> Have an interpreter downloadable somewhere?
23:40:51 <kipple> as I said, it went down
23:41:01 <GregorR-L> *shrugs*  Guess I'll wait :-P
23:41:06 <kipple> I could upload the site somewhere else I guess
23:43:08 <kipple> I have a java interpreter pluss an online applet
23:44:32 <GregorR-L> Actually ...
23:44:42 <GregorR-L> I think I'll write a Kipple interpreter in ORK.
23:44:44 <GregorR-L> Perhaps :-P
23:44:54 <kipple> that would be great! :)
23:48:59 <GregorR-L> And in 2L, which is infinitely more evil 8-D
23:50:27 <kipple> difficult handling multiple stacks in such a language I would think
23:52:31 <GregorR-L> Very
23:52:33 <GregorR-L> 8-D
23:52:49 <kipple> http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~runeberg/kipple/
23:53:04 <kipple> seems I have lost the index page, but I've got everything else
23:54:29 <kipple> I like the way the source code looks in 2L. 
23:54:43 <GregorR-L> w00t
23:54:47 <GregorR-L> Heheh, thanks
23:54:58 <kipple> A lot of repeating structures thar looks similar, but not quite
23:55:28 <GregorR-L> That Hello World could have definitely been more efficient, but I was sort of in a rut by the end :-P
23:55:50 <kipple> since when did efficiency matter? ;)
23:56:42 <GregorR-L> E-ffic-ie-?  Wha?
23:56:46 <GregorR-L> :-P