00:00:14 (actually that can also be seen as a good security measure) 00:00:48 On my end, that's solved, I just need to send the proper index files. 00:00:56 oh, neat 00:01:06 I'd noticed that as well ;) 00:01:52 So I'll send the index files to you at about 4:30AM (your time zone) - will you be up? ;) 00:02:06 I'm afraid not 00:02:17 I'll email ;) 00:02:38 hm... k 00:04:25 the email is in a PM (sorry, one never knows if a spambot will also read IRC logs) 00:04:58 I have given up hiding my email. Now I rely on spam filters insted 00:05:13 I do both 00:05:30 :) 00:05:38 use real letters :) 00:05:40 I just give fake email addresses. 00:05:48 I don't get much email that way .... 00:05:58 But I don't get much sam either! 00:06:01 *spam 00:06:04 lol 00:06:07 hehe 00:06:19 BTW, my address is PresidentGregor@whitehouse.gov 00:07:29 reminds me of that story... "BTW, my IP address is 127.0.0.1" 00:07:37 heh :D 00:07:50 There's no place like 127.0.0.1 00:08:06 :) 00:08:17 "hehe I'm formatting your HD you idiot"... PING TIMEOUT 00:08:24 lol 00:08:28 i've read that 00:08:38 or at least something like that 00:08:50 was on slashdot recently 00:08:55 yeah 00:09:00 that probably was it 00:09:01 that's a very reduced version actually 00:09:08 just a remainder 00:09:15 yeah 00:09:24 the guy was real idiot.. 00:09:34 if the story's true... 00:09:46 yeah.. hey, i am lame because i use firewall :) 00:09:53 me too 00:09:56 heh 00:10:05 probably one of these... http://funny.evilbunny.org/display/1808/ 00:10:50 I usually avoid being hacked by writing my entire operating system from the ground up in-house and never releasing the source code. 00:11:03 heh 00:11:07 Works real well, and only takes a few years per iteration. 00:11:24 haha :D 00:12:59 iirc the guy said something like "gimme your ip #¤&(/" and i'll send you a virus #¤)(/¤)(#!!1" 00:13:48 something like that 00:13:51 hehe 00:17:46 speaking of homemade OSes: Have anyone tried the BF OS loader? 00:18:01 was posted on the brainfuck mailing list a while ago 00:18:47 nope 00:22:27 http://lilly.csoft.net/~jeffryj/programs/bf/bf.html 00:22:36 interesting stuff. 00:22:54 yeah 00:23:45 yet still (iirc) calamari says he can't program in bf very well :) 00:24:29 Ah, so Jeffrey is calamari :) good to know 00:24:48 hehe 00:28:36 when i tried earlier today to invent some esoteric language mascot 00:28:39 (and failed) 00:28:46 i came up with this: 00:28:58 http://koti.mbnet.fi/yiap/stuff/ork.png 00:29:25 is that supposed to be greg? 00:29:31 :) 00:29:31 GregorR: don't take it seriously; ORK and your hats are cool :) 00:29:33 lol 00:29:39 noooo 00:29:51 I was wondering if that was one of my hats :-P 00:29:57 me too 00:30:01 :) 00:30:07 Though that creature isn't exactly an Or[ck] 00:30:24 heh 00:30:31 so, what's the most esoteric animal I wonder.... 00:30:40 yes 00:30:42 me too 00:30:46 OOH, one sec, I know what it is! 00:30:54 I have to find it on Wikipedia again, just giive me a sec 00:31:17 ok 00:32:30 Grr. 00:32:35 Trying to paste over VNC = not fun 00:32:58 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichoplax 00:33:35 :) 00:34:40 hmm 00:34:44 sounds quite interesting 00:37:00 but no picture... 00:37:02 maybe cryptozoology is the place to look :) 00:37:06 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptozoology 00:39:12 hehe 00:44:11 Incidentally, I don't wear glasses, so where did those come from? 00:44:39 it's not you 00:44:48 i was just trying to make esomascot 00:44:59 and then got the idea to make it wear your hate 00:45:01 *hat 00:45:14 and then i thought about adding some reference to ORK to that picture 00:45:16 :) 00:45:45 and those are just some strange eyes although they look like eyes 00:45:48 Seems like an oddly specific esomascot X-D 00:45:53 how about the Dodo?:) 00:45:54 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodo 00:45:56 :) 00:48:49 this picture needs a *LOT* work: 00:48:49 http://koti.mbnet.fi/yiap/stuff/mascots.png 00:49:00 (and don't blame me, i don't have visual memory!) 00:58:27 oh, and some lines up i meant to say they're just eyes although they look like eyeglasses 01:00:10 well. anyways, i'm tired, and it's 3:03 am here 01:00:17 better go to sleep 01:00:27 bye 01:00:32 bye 01:00:34 -!- Keymaker has quit ("Freedom!"). 02:29:09 I'm going to sleep too 02:29:20 nite all 02:39:52 -!- kipple has quit ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com"). 04:18:37 -!- lament has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 04:33:18 -!- GregorR-L has joined. 04:33:25 w00t! My kipple tokenization finally works 8-D 07:01:04 I've got a good mascot :) 07:01:57 http://www.befunge.org/fyb/placozoan.png 07:10:54 -!- puzzlet has joined. 07:11:19 Hoi 07:11:39 hi 07:13:00 How goes? 07:14:06 Hmm 07:14:12 You're in yet another time zone from everybody else X-D 07:14:31 how did you know? 07:14:52 CTCP TIME 07:15:04 Makes your IRC client respond with your computer's time. 07:15:37 i'm from South Korea 07:15:44 Ahh 07:16:15 Quite the wide range this channel has. 07:33:34 -!- GregorR-L has quit ("Leaving"). 07:49:05 -!- Keymaker has joined. 07:49:12 hi 07:49:17 argh 07:49:20 or w00t! 07:49:29 bf-hacks.org is accessible 07:49:36 i should just upload other than test-index 07:49:46 so you decided the domain 07:49:53 yeah 07:50:44 GregorR: so you got the kipple interpreter working?! 07:50:49 the one in ORK? 07:51:04 that sounds really neat 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:06:03 Woah woah woah. 08:06:06 Hold your horses. 08:06:09 I got the TOKENIZATION working. 08:06:18 I'm still a ways off from the full interpreter ;) 08:06:18 what's that then? 08:06:23 ah ok 08:06:36 I can read in a kipple file and figure out what's a number, what's a stack, what's an operation, and organize it as such. 08:06:42 ah yes 08:06:44 now i see 08:06:52 that's pretty good 08:06:58 So did you see my mascot? ;) 08:07:02 yeah :) 08:08:13 remember to look closely what the manual says about all the stuff 08:08:18 (kipple manual) 08:08:43 Yes yes. 08:08:47 It is quite intricate. 08:08:51 :) 08:11:05 this is important: "The program 1>a<2 a+a will result in a containing the values [1 4] and not [1 3]. Likewise for the - operator." 08:11:31 Yeah, I saw that. 08:11:35 ok 08:11:49 I'm going to accomplish that by peeking instead of popping for the + operator. 08:12:14 ok 08:12:26 hey! 08:13:04 wow -- so if.. i mean WHEN you have completed the kipple interpreter, ORK can create the C file that can be compiled..? 08:13:24 and then we'll get interpreter written in C! that i can use on computer! 08:13:31 wheeee!!!! 08:13:33 LOL 08:13:36 It's C++ ;) 08:13:37 But yeah. 08:13:41 ok, odesn't matter:) 08:13:44 woah 08:14:26 it's kinda fun that the first interpreter (other than kipple's (person)) is written in esolang 08:14:27 and cool 08:15:05 lol 08:17:20 btw, do you have work today gregorr? 08:17:34 or can you hack the interpreter all the day ;) 08:25:32 Well, it's 12:26AM for me right now :-P 08:25:36 So if you mean Saturday, no I don't. 08:26:51 yeah 08:26:56 nice :) 08:51:48 but well. gotta do some annoying studying today.. bye 08:51:55 -!- Keymaker has quit ("Freedom!"). 09:13:49 moo 09:14:51 Keymaker: congrats on your brand-new domain! 11:23:11 Mhnhmm... morning, assorted humans and others. 11:24:54 * pgimeno wonders which side is he(it?) on ;) 11:25:06 morning 11:28:15 Well, it is the future already (past-2000), some of you might be computer programs. Although I'm a bit disappointed at the lack of flying cars... and the orbital-elevator-thing is still missing, too. 11:29:29 hehe 12:16:06 -!- Keymaker has joined. 12:16:20 hello 12:18:02 Hlo. 12:18:09 hi 12:19:28 I am trying out Lucene, apache project's text search engine thing. 12:19:42 hmm 12:19:56 does it search text from internet or where? 12:20:32 Wherever you like. It doesn't include a web-crawler, though, it's just a search engine engine. 12:20:58 ok 12:21:08 I'm using it to index the messages in Darkhive, but seems it'll take over 8 hours to build the index. (I'm estimating the speed as ~10 discussion-threads per second.) 12:22:25 heh. there's plenty o' content 12:22:51 It might be faster once I add words like "ei", "joo" and such to the stop-word-list so it doesn't bother indexing those. I was going to build the index without any stop words first, since apparently you can get some term frequency information from the index, so I can check what are the most common words used there. 12:37:41 (hour-lag reply..) pgimento: thanks 12:44:45 hmm 12:44:52 what do you suggest; 12:45:05 should i add the programs to my site as block form 12:45:17 or in more readable form 13:00:38 -!- kipple has joined. 13:04:23 hiya kipple 13:04:31 hi 13:04:47 i'm just about to upload the first version of bf-hacks 13:05:24 I see it :) 13:05:39 ha, Royal Brainfuck Society :D 13:05:42 :) 13:05:45 noo 13:05:48 that's not the first yet 13:05:51 it was just test 13:06:00 you have to wait a minute 13:06:08 sorry... 13:08:06 gotta go eat some breakfast. I'll check it out later 13:09:20 ok 13:09:48 yeaaah 13:09:52 it's up now 13:09:53 http://www.bf-hacks.org/ 13:10:32 now i should make more programs that would be worth of adding 13:11:03 -!- Keymaker has set topic: A new brainfuck site http://www.bf-hacks.org/ is opened!. 13:17:48 hmm 13:18:21 now i should draw the 'favicon' or whatever that small picture is called that appears in most browsers when going to some site 13:28:59 -!- Keymaker has set topic: Another brainfuck site (http://www.bf-hacks.org/) is open!. 13:29:03 that's better 13:36:54 nice :) 13:37:14 so, will there be only BF stuff there? 13:37:33 yeah 13:37:51 then maybe you should link to you other site... 13:37:56 hmm 13:37:59 might be clever 13:38:11 i'll do that probably sometime 13:38:30 i just wonder where i would place the link.. 13:38:33 probably to index 13:38:45 *in 13:39:00 as well, must update yiap to add this link 13:39:10 oh, and glad you like it 13:40:28 good colors. Much better than my black text on white background pages 13:41:34 heh, it's just some reversing 13:42:24 first i thought about pink background and yellow text, but this seemed a bit better 13:43:00 ouch. would that even be readable? 13:43:30 it was a joke :) 13:43:33 not very readable 14:05:09 i try to make myself study for a while, so i close the computer. if don't close it i wouldn'tr ead :) 14:05:12 bbl 14:05:14 -!- Keymaker has left (?). 15:49:58 -!- Keymaker has joined. 15:50:03 hello 15:50:13 my eyeglasses dropped 15:50:19 and the other lens got out 15:50:22 and i can't find it! 15:50:39 how it can be that lens can get so completely lost?! i've searched everywhere 15:57:35 maybe because you can't see without it ;) 16:00:49 heh :) 16:00:58 this is annoying 16:01:15 well, i can keep my left eye closed 16:33:54 hmh. can't find it 16:43:42 glasses have the bad costume of being transparent 16:43:45 (hi) 16:47:45 yeah 16:47:47 hi 16:48:04 as well, i finally found them couple of minutes ago 16:48:14 now i'm trying to insert the lens back 16:50:04 oh, congrats! it must have been quite uncomfortable to look for it with an eye closed 16:50:16 cheers 16:50:18 yeah 16:51:04 ever noticed that if you lose some stuff you find it from a place you assume it never could get? :) 16:51:59 sure :) 16:52:03 i found these under my table. i didn't assume a lens could fly that far.. 16:52:21 everybody knows lenses don't fly :P 16:52:36 :) 16:53:49 too bad i can't fit it back completely 16:55:18 ah! managed! 16:55:24 good as new 16:55:42 nice! 16:56:38 :) 16:57:39 grr, so many Debian packages changed since my last upgrade... I'm afraid I'll have to update the list 16:58:13 :) 16:58:14 any recommended graphical FTP client? 16:58:25 I was about to install gftp, don't know how good or bad it is 16:59:35 hmm 16:59:41 iirc i used gftp today 16:59:44 seems to work well 17:00:24 ok, then it may be worth downloading it separately and installing instead of upgrading 17:00:27 thanks 17:00:33 you're welcome 17:00:40 too bad i now have to go 17:00:46 to buy some candy :) 17:00:48 bbl 17:00:49 -!- Keymaker has quit ("Freedom!"). 17:50:07 There is a scribe called pgimeno. There is a writer called GregorR. When GregorR is around: GregorR is to page pgimeno. If pgimeno's answer is hello: GregorR is to tell pgimeno if it's OK that pgimeno updates ork/index.html himself. If GregorR's answer is yes: pgimeno is to finish updating GregorR pages' mirror. 17:53:13 LOL 17:54:32 I'm heating engines to write that deCSS descrambler :) 17:54:42 ooh! 17:54:48 good luck 17:55:40 well, not actually... unless someone lends me a "pause time" button 17:55:52 you can have mine 17:56:04 never got it to work anyway ;) 17:56:42 doh, in the meantime I'll put "fix kipple's pause-time button" in the queue 17:57:03 thx :) 17:58:34 * kipple is gone for the night 17:58:57 oh, enjoy! 18:02:43 Is there an ORK syntax highlighting file for vim yet? 18:03:29 * pgimeno looks the distribution 18:03:52 nope, maybe GregorR forgot to include it ;) 18:08:01 Maybe I should write one, then try to use ORK for something. It must be a great language, since everyone's talking about it nowadays. 18:12:42 I lack a suitable project, though. 18:13:05 I have one, do you want it? 18:17:07 If it's that deCSS thing, I probably don't. 18:18:13 Is that ork-0.7 a current version of the distribution? 18:18:16 oh, it was worth trying anyway 18:18:19 yes AFAIK 18:24:17 Ork only has number and string arrays, not arrays of generic classes? Aw. 19:20:13 Hmmm. If I write "blablah is to foo 1", when blablah is a member of class that "can foo a number", it compiles to foo(1) and then g++ complains, because the actual function is a foo(double& ref). This is annoying. Do I need to store all arguments to temporary variables? Admittedly it adds to the oh-so-nice verbosity, but... 19:21:28 -!- Keymaker has joined. 19:21:37 good hello! 19:21:48 hm... disable the warning? 19:21:49 hi Keymaker 19:21:53 hi 19:21:56 It's not a warning, it's an error. 19:22:04 You can't convert a constant to a reference, obviously. 19:22:24 Also, if I want a big ( >= 2^31 ) numerical constant, I need to use nnnn.0 instead of nnnn, which is a bit.. undesirable, since I really shouldn't have to know about the generated C++ code. 19:22:38 (That's an error too. error: integer constant is too large for "long" type 19:22:50 oh, double& is byref... sorry I'm not much into C+ 19:23:23 *C++ 19:24:42 I guess GregorR didn't care much about documenting integer limits 19:25:07 Well, all the numbers are doubles, it's just that the constant needs a .0 at the end. 19:25:37 There could be some sort of identifier renaming thing, too. I can't have a function called "xor" now, since that's a reserved C++ keyword apparently. 19:26:38 oh, yes I agree on the renaming 19:27:07 hopefully my interpreter will cope with these issues 19:31:11 Heh, doing logical operations is quite fun, too. I would like to test for some bits, but the "1" I get from 124421.000000 / 4.000000 % 2.000000 is different from the "1" I get from a constant 1, due to floating-point inaccurancies, so they don't compare as 'equals'. 19:34:16 pretty esoteric 19:34:47 mmh.. apple flavour.. 19:34:54 test if > 0.5 :) 19:35:02 But it's so _verbose_. 19:35:18 Anyway, turns out that in this particular case they are the same 1.0s. Still, I'm sure I'm going to get bitten by floating point things. 19:35:49 -!- lament has joined. 19:36:12 quite likely; Real Programmers do FP math with integers 19:36:14 hi lament 19:37:11 evenin' 19:37:29 :) ah, yes. integers are the best 19:37:57 hi 19:38:14 how's going? 19:38:32 good 19:38:48 ok 19:39:27 argh 19:39:43 what was the key combination to stop program in dos console? (i'm in win xp this time) 19:39:44 argh? 19:39:46 argh. 19:39:51 :) 19:40:08 or was there any combination? 19:40:08 ctrl + break or ctrl + c 19:40:17 ah 19:40:18 thanks 19:40:40 ctrl+c tends to work less reliably 19:47:02 i got my first thue program done 19:47:02 hey::=~Does this work? 19:47:02 ::= 19:47:10 hey 19:47:27 that is basically the same than hello world 19:47:40 but now i think i got how this particular program works 19:49:27 use my interpreter :) 19:49:27 neat! 19:51:03 :) 20:14:44 This makes no sense. 20:14:53 you are right 20:15:20 I'm trying to write a crc32 calculator in ORK to get a feeling on how easy it's to do bit-fiddling in. 20:16:05 _Oh._ 20:16:21 So "I am to loop" is an implicit keyword, not a call to function 'loop'? 20:16:32 -!- Xin_ has joined. 20:16:36 Right. 20:21:30 Yeah, I realize the issue with putting a constant in an argument ... 20:21:37 I'll add that to my todo list. 20:22:02 And you can integerize something by modulo-ing it with a very high number. 20:22:18 I forgot to make a floor operation 8-D 20:24:16 Or you could add a floor to libork *shrugs* 20:26:30 Oh, so modulo is the integer operation and not a fmod()-like thing? 20:26:46 Heh, at least http://gehennom.org/~fis/crc.ork now builds _something_ in lookup table. It's probably not correct, though. 20:27:42 My next iteration will add: 1) Proper handling of constants, 2) Bitwise operators, 3) A floor operator. 20:27:49 Since these are what "the people" seem to need ;) 20:29:08 Wahh. Did I write my logician class for no reason if there's going to be a built-in bitwise operation class? :p 20:29:31 OK, never mind 8-D 20:29:44 If your logician works, maybe it will become the first internal class written in real ORK ;) 20:30:13 Well, I guess it does work, but it only calculates xor for now, since that's the only thing I needed. 20:30:31 Ahh ^_^ 20:30:35 I also added a convenience method to do "&1" and get an easy way to branch on it. 20:30:37 I can't access the file :( 20:30:42 A logician has a helper which is a mathematician. 20:30:50 Oh, that's right! 20:30:57 4) User-defined classes need to be able to "say" 20:31:17 That'd be nice. Currently you need to do "If Frege's helper says it's equal" 20:31:51 I'll implement 1, 3 and 4 some time tonight. 20:31:53 I wonder what's the problem with that web server. Someone said it works with a 'www.' prefix. Strange. 20:32:25 Yup, works with www. 20:32:48 Looks like you need to fenagle your DNS. 20:32:54 * GregorR goes off, to come back later. 20:38:37 -!- Kmkr has joined. 20:38:48 what do you need to crash win xp? 20:38:54 -change user for a while 20:39:31 backoriffice? 20:41:07 what's that? 20:57:00 -!- Keymaker has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 20:57:05 -!- Kmkr has left (?). 21:00:03 -!- Keymaker has joined. 21:00:11 ab::=~I can do loop! 21:00:11 c::=abc 21:00:11 ::= 21:00:15 abc 21:06:28 and i also understand now how to make finite loops 21:06:28 l::=~This line will be printed five times. 21:06:29 ::= 21:06:30 lllll 21:06:51 thue is cool language :) 21:07:45 yeah :) 21:08:06 now for the 99bob 21:08:27 (you can count with it with not much effort) 21:08:28 :) laurent has done it already 21:08:39 i'm not skilled enough 21:09:00 http://lvogel.free.fr/ 21:09:08 he has cool stuff on his site 21:09:11 I guess replacing 9->8, 8->7, etc. can make it count down 21:09:29 (with some marker or whatever) 21:10:04 oh, yeah, that's where I got lament's link from 21:10:14