< 1116635493 0 :wooby!~alan@64.142.120.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1116637111 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"[BX] Were you born a fat, slimy, scumbag, puke, piece of shit or did you have to work on it?" < 1116642064 0 :terranwannabe!~Brian@bur-jud-157-214.rh.uchicago.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1116642084 0 :terranwannabe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1116649247 0 :puzzlet!~puzzlet@61.247.148.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1116649746 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1116654637 0 :KnX!~KnX@juv34-2-82-226-155-84.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1116654957 0 :KnXxl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1116662399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1116662400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1116663476 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"rebooting" < 1116667126 0 :CXI!~Sanity@dialup-108.88.221.203.acc50-kent-syd.comindico.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1116667175 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1116667190 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1116667319 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny story, actually - I edit wikipedia and I saw an entry on 2L, and went googling to see whether it actually existed or was just someone's project < 1116667345 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference? < 1116667390 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, generally if it has any presence outside wikipedia it's a real topic < 1116667412 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that really depends on the people in question and what they consider a presence < 1116667433 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1116667465 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it hard to decide sometimes... 2L looked kind of interesting so I figured it'd be better to leave it there < 1116667488 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, we've discussed about the presence of esoteric languages in there < 1116667494 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in wikipedia) < 1116667531 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are so many languages that can be described as "bf with huffman encoding, bf with a lookup table, bf with a lookup table and amusing names, bf with forking, bf with socket support, bf with a second buffer" < 1116667570 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're all for maintaining them but mainly because that's a way that they don't get lost in time; we agree that that's not the correct place < 1116667583 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's a tough choice < 1116667616 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the author of the 2L language is GregorR, but I think he's asleep right now < 1116667632 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I actually joined here because I read about it < 1116667639 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for web presence: http://eso.codu.org/ < 1116667639 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the log, I mean < 1116667643 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1116667732 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.befunge.org/fyb/ork/exa/fibonacci.ork <--- haha, I like that < 1116667745 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, ORK is an amazing language < 1116667800 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after properly examined, 2L does not contribute so much as ORK to the esoteric languages world < 1116667832 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a 2D language and there are 2D languages; it's a BF variation and there are lots of BF variations < 1116667832 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and funnily enough there's no wikipedia article on ork < 1116667849 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, it's more recent and it's not finished < 1116667849 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PATH/SNUSP etc < 1116667861 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PATH/SNUSP? < 1116667872 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the canonical 2d BFs < 1116667880 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah < 1116667920 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :furthermore, it attempts to be extremely minimalistic and there are more extremely minimalistic ones < 1116667932 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't know SNUSP, btw < 1116668010 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, we're making some efforts towards finding a place where esolangs can be preserved < 1116668090 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if it's any help, but wikimedia has a project called wikicities < 1116668117 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's at the very least very good news :) < 1116668158 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll visit wikicities to see if that fits our purpose < 1116668223 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you please give a link? I'm not familiarized with how wikimedia is structured < 1116668242 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, google helped < 1116668244 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1116668290 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry - was off eating pretzels < 1116668297 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :np < 1116668313 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dangerous activity < 1116668319 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1116668320 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only for presidents < 1116668450 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you give a very quick primer about the policies of wikicities, before I read everything thoroughly? is the content to be FDL-licensed? < 1116668489 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1116668512 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically it just says "it needs to be free and open - free license, freely editable, run as a community project" < 1116668556 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about everything related to esolangs fits that < 1116668558 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds perfect < 1116668579 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be so awesome to gather everything in one place < 1116668620 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, in a quick glance I see it's ad-supported < 1116668768 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* google ads < 1116668781 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wikicities will never host pop-up adverts." - sounds reasonable < 1116672534 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CXI-gonJinn < 1116672669 0 :CXI-gonJinn!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CXI < 1116672972 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also means you can copy/paste all wikipedia's information on esolangs) < 1116673117 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about files? is it possible to host files? < 1116673131 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1116673495 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wikis must have a large potential audience, and be likely to attract enough editors to maintain the wiki over a long period of time. Personal wikis, wikis for small groups, or individual schools are not generally permitted." < 1116673534 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all that's trying to do is discourage wikis for small clubs < 1116673543 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure we'll gather enough editors... the esolang community is not very wide < 1116673583 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure when they see it they'll say "fantastic! somewhere for all the esolang stuff on wikipedia to go!" < 1116673670 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but maintaining it is another issue < 1116673719 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* well they'll either say yes or no - my guess is yes < 1116677708 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1116678048 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. this wikicity concept looks promising < 1116682915 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's strange, actually, it's never really had any exposure < 1116682983 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose they're assuming it will just gain popularity through word of mouth < 1116683006 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly. Who's behind it? is it associated with wikipedia? < 1116683013 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1116683018 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basicaly it's just a wikimedia project < 1116683046 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except because wikimedia is non-profit and this is an ad-supported service they rolled out another essentially identical company for it) < 1116683117 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is: what happens if it doesn't pay off? does it get closed down... < 1116683174 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, depends what you mean by "pay off", considering it's probably a thousandth the size of english wikipedia, keeping it running is trivial < 1116683206 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. and if it grows, it will pay off, hopefullly... < 1116683212 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* exactly < 1116683225 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly I don't even really think paying off is what it's about < 1116683231 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the big issues in wikipedia is scope < 1116683272 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are sort-of factions, one extreme is that wikipedia isn't a paper encyclopedia, and consequently we may as well try to gather *all* information < 1116683321 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other extreme says that wikipedia shouldn't accept articles from any topics that aren't considered 'encyclopedic' < 1116683328 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/from/on/, sorry < 1116683342 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, like, no articles on schools, or towns < 1116683372 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in reality most people lie somewhere in between, but it's a tough call because most of us hate throwing away information if it looks like it might be useful < 1116683387 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1116683426 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there have been some problems with people deleting esoteric programming articles already < 1116683523 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 'problem' depends on your perspective < 1116683531 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1116683538 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually think a lot of the esolangs don't belong there < 1116683566 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I mentioned somewhere above that there are about 10 of them that are just "BF + neat feature" or "BF - neat feature" and don't actually exist at all except for their wikipedia entry < 1116683568 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I partially agree < 1116683618 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's the encyclopedia me talking < 1116683639 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "all information is sacred" me wants to put all those useless languages somewhere just in case someone is interested someday < 1116683652 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone is today < 1116683654 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not many < 1116683802 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm all for starting a wikicity. < 1116683883 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, then we could get the problem that some people use the wikipedia, and some use the city < 1116683917 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually for giving the alternatives in the list and see what's the general opinion < 1116683940 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the mailing list? < 1116683943 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in reality anything written in the wikipedia can just be copy/pasted over < 1116683945 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and vice versa < 1116683957 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but that takes a lot of work < 1116683961 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not concerned about the wikipedia vs city; once the city is up, the languages don't need to be in the wikipedia < 1116683979 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most important ones should, IMHO < 1116683987 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're right, it'd be tough drawing a line and saying "if your language is this popular put it in wikipedia, otherwise the city" < 1116684014 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say if the language is yours, then put it in the city < 1116684031 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, yeah, that sounds like a good rule < 1116684032 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is BF, INTERCAL or BeFunge then it can stay < 1116684034 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a few that are universally accepted, like brainfuck and intercal < 1116684037 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1116684056 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe whitespace < 1116684062 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, BeFunge too < 1116684079 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, whitespace is more like a humorous language < 1116684092 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlambda suits there better < 1116684094 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but it is one of the more known < 1116684100 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whitespace is pretty well known < 1116684108 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the slashdot thing < 1116684117 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1116684122 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of the articles on popular languages aren't really under contention < 1116684131 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just things like 2L that are worrying < 1116684140 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when someone posts their new idea for a language on wikipedia < 1116684183 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done that..... < 1116684196 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I agree, it's not the best solution < 1116684384 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the way it is now, I think it is the right way to do it. It's not like 2L is less interesting than most of the other esolangs in wikipedia < 1116684401 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the problem is that it's less notable < 1116684418 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree < 1116684427 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia isn't really the place to put new ideas, it's a repository for things that already exist < 1116684449 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is to say, that's the viewpoint of most of the other editors, and that's why a new esolang article is likely to be deleted) < 1116684459 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, how long does it have to have existed before it can be put there? < 1116684496 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really a time thing - notability's a pretty ephemeral concept < 1116684530 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, to me it's a question of whether people which see the language/article somewhere else are able to find a reference in the wikipedia < 1116684564 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a general guideline is that people shouldn't write articles about their own projects < 1116684639 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know about the popularity of Whitespace; before I knew, I thought that it wasn't worth the inclusion < 1116684652 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if many people expect to find it, that's a change < 1116684677 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my point of view, of course < 1116684747 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whitespace became quite known last year, so it's kind of a piece of internet history < 1116684792 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's what makes the difference somehow < 1116684836 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main esolang article lists the following as "notable": Befunge, Brainfuck, False, INTERCAL, Malbolge, Shakespeare, Unlambda and Whitespace < 1116684861 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about false and shakespeare, but the rest I agree with < 1116684927 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with you; I don't know about False and Shakespeare either < 1116684950 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd perhaps include Thue because of its innovative paradigm but that's probably me < 1116684962 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of both but can't actually remember what False does < 1116685047 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_programming_language < 1116685063 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the most notable thing about it is that it inspired some others (it's from 1993) < 1116685147 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Var'aq is probably also worth keeping in the pedia < 1116685254 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, probably < 1116685279 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :off to lunch, bbl < 1116685279 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it doesn't really fit in with the rest... < 1116697834 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1116697848 0 :comet_11!Sanity@dialup-108.88.221.203.acc50-kent-syd.comindico.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1116701462 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1116701469 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I missed a very interesting conversation. < 1116701517 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi GregorR < 1116701547 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1116701554 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough* < 1116707155 0 :calamari!~calamari@dialup-4.240.241.57.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1116711136 0 :Keymaker!~a@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1116711172 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhm < 1116711187 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a new esoteric programming language? < 1116711193 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1116711198 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, i was just about to write :) < 1116711198 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1116711236 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Keymaker < 1116711243 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages that definitely should stay in wikipedia, are in my opinion the following: brainfuck, befunge, thue, malbolge, unlambda < 1116711245 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1116711255 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i prefer it they all stay there < 1116711264 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and naturally kipple as well :) < 1116711350 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with all you mention (I miss Intercal) < 1116711375 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What program should I OBLISK-ize for the proletization of OBLISK today :P < 1116711555 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaargh < 1116711582 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some global notice tells that there's going to be a major downtime in about 11 hours < 1116711590 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1116711616 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a previous wallop told that it's going to be about 15 mins long < 1116711616 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmhmm < 1116711654 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to break in the nearest store, takes all the food that can carry, goes to bomb shelter, puts on the gas mask. < 1116711678 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cries himself to sleep. < 1116711683 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1116711734 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a feeling that most of people won't even notice the major downtime.. ;) < 1116711766 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be committing ritualistic suicide. < 1116711773 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116711778 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then reviving myself by magic. < 1116711788 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1116711803 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1116711844 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test: רררר < 1116711850 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this 'ר' character? < 1116711862 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like an o with a / < 1116711868 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zero-with-a-line-through-it-like-I-draw-it? < 1116711874 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.. < 1116711882 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what it is? < 1116711898 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite Phi... < 1116711917 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it a norwegian character? < 1116711925 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1116711927 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks so < 1116711929 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1116711938 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kippleee? < 1116711944 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116711951 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was from false manual < 1116711989 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for once a detailed esoteric language manual.. < 1116711997 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(still too lazy to try it) < 1116712128 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mayhaps their should be an ORK page on Wikipedia. < 1116712131 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not writing it :P < 1116712138 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116712153 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand it so i can't do it :p < 1116712159 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1116712377 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum, the false doc is a txt file, the encoding might be CP-437 instead of ISO-8859 < 1116712443 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, being for Amiga I think it's ISO < 1116713154 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1116713174 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to invent some esolang. again. < 1116713426 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: I'm more than happy to permanently host http://esowiki.kidsquid.com/ < 1116713497 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kidsquid.com is my domain, so even if I change shell providers (unlikely), the name can be permanent. If you'd like a different name than esowiki, I can easily change it < 1116713563 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was there a different reason that you were looking into wikicities? < 1116714812 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, I'm going to make a list of the options in the list with the pros and cons < 1116714930 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours is one, Wikicities is another and http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Main_Page is another < 1116714963 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the latter was apparently mentioned in the list before I joined it) < 1116715015 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'd also include for consideration a non-wiki web (a wiki needs a maintainer which at the very least can deal with vandalism) < 1116715053 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you subscribed to the mailing list? < 1116715066 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm subscribed to lang and misc < 1116715074 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and friends-of-bf < 1116715104 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lang is the one I'm subscribed to < 1116715128 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: wiki vandalism is easy to control because any change can be reverted < 1116715142 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to use the phone.. bbl < 1116715158 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I need to have dinner < 1116715160 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later < 1116715163 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1116715175 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i need to go to sleep, i'm tired already < 1116715195 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbll (be back lot later) < 1116715206 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1116715521 0 :calamari_!~calamari@dialup-4.240.240.84.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1116715601 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re's < 1116715646 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better than my site would be esoteric.sange.fi, if he's willing < 1116715668 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's already been running the bf repository for years < 1116716238 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1116716675 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :calamari