how convienient! < 1118378076 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any thoughts on how to wrap the filename and source? need to think about 2d languages, whitespace.. etc :) gotta run < 1118378082 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1118378501 0 :wooby!~wooby@cpe-065-191-186-247.nc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1118379097 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1118379125 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1118379127 0 :GregorR!~GregorR@c-24-21-138-66.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1118381181 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"sleep" < 1118381289 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1118383433 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bwarhar < 1118385931 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1118386177 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1118389334 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoshell page crashed firefox < 1118390399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1118390400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1118398702 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning < 1118398710 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i felt asleep :D < 1118398732 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just went to bed for a while and slept ~11 hours < 1118398741 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1118399398 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, seems that I missed an important conversation about 8 hours ago < 1118399470 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: are you using multiple profiles simultaneously? my mozilla crashes if I don't open the java applet in the main profile < 1118399496 0 :sp3tt!~chatzilla@lite-148-133.umenet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1118399712 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i'm not < 1118400022 0 :Dc[Fkn3]!~aa@pcp07730155pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1118400036 0 :Dc[Fkn3]!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1118400133 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the conversation about? < 1118400194 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: about esolangs and the wiki < 1118400282 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1118400318 0 :sp3tt!~chatzilla@lite-148-133.umenet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1118400362 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that graue's idea of a separate namespace is a nice solution for everyone < 1118400522 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally like most of the current directions of the wiki, and given that a solution that is universally accepted is impossible, I think that that's about the best that we can have < 1118400540 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I think it's a neat idea < 1118400542 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the backups, but that's currently being worked on < 1118400766 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, there's an issue with the files section that needs a solution: some esolang authors may disagree with their distributions being hosted there, so permission should be gathered before posting files there (those which are explicitly FOSS don't need a permission, I think) < 1118400818 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about the only showstopper for the preservation effort < 1118400819 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though you'll want to tag them with whatever the correct license is < 1118400857 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that usually included within the distribution? < 1118400871 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point... maybe a generic tag that says "this file is not necessarily within the public domain" < 1118400888 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, yeah < 1118400955 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the script that gathers the svn head and makes it public could perhaps add such a tag < 1118400976 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with "makes it public" I mean in the files/ dir < 1118401399 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I've seen this déjà vu before.." < 1118401446 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one more issue about the "java on the wiki" (hope it can be sorted out): I don't like everyone being able to upload and use java applets in every page; that should be restricted to privileged users or something < 1118405290 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1118405743 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: I agree that java applets upload should be restricted < 1118405802 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, it seems like a lot happened here while I was asleep :) I like the ideas for the EsoShell that came up! < 1118405823 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EsoShell? < 1118405831 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean like... command.com? < 1118405910 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I mean this: http://lilly.csoft.net/~jeffryj/EsoShell/ < 1118407332 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: nice, seems that there's consensus after all < 1118407614 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, I've managed to fix the fibonacci generator in piet without modifying the whole program (white cells are cool) < 1118407699 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it turns out that 100 Fibonacci numbers are too much for the range of an int < 1118408511 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/piet/fib.php < 1118408521 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1118408524 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/piet/fib2.php < 1118408843 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, the colors are not equal < 1118408854 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :equal? < 1118408885 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen the page? when I compare the original and mine, I see different colors < 1118408892 0 :malaprop!~ph@ppp-68-251-59-237.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1118408895 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a gAMA chunk < 1118408937 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there are some minor differences. does it matter, as long as it works? < 1118408960 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all, but I'd like equal colors to match for proper comparison < 1118408975 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gAMA chunks don't alter the RGB of each color < 1118409546 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, that was because of a gAMA chunk present in the original; now I've uploaded the fixed version < 1118409568 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :corrected and resubnitted ;) < 1118409737 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what was the conclusion? is npiet implemented correctly? < 1118409907 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1118409933 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not actually related to the program itself; DMM said he didn't have an opportunity of testing it < 1118409943 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wrote it without the help of an interpreter < 1118410020 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that program won't work in the perl interpreter because of the handling of white blocks though < 1118410026 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. that's a useful tool for checking if the language design is ok, before implementing it < 1118410046 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. so is the perl interpreter wrong then? < 1118410096 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so; the spec is pretty clear and even if there's a bit of room for reinterpretation I think it's too forced to interpret that in the way that the perl interpreter does < 1118410144 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, fixing it is just a matter of adding a pixel :) < 1118410150 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think I'll do that < 1118410265 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I'm wrong, it's two pixels < 1118411428 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :resubnitted < 1118411450 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one should work with the perl interpreter too < 1118411645 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not totally sure though < 1118412369 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue with npiet is that cells are 32-bit integers instead of bignums, so fibonacci numbers greater than the 45th one don't come out well < 1118412382 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does perl handle bignums? < 1118412459 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without the aid of a library, that is < 1118413550 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know, it doesn't. The bitwise operators use integers (32-bit here), and afaik most arithmetic is done using floats. < 1118413583 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judging from what 'man perlop' says about Integer Arithmetic. < 1118413664 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although Math::BigInt apparently is part of the standard. < 1118414776 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks; I don't know if the perl interpreter uses that < 1118419121 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1118419136 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi. < 1118419208 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :low. < 1118419843 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1118420833 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is piet turing complete? < 1118420847 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm too lazy to search information by myself < 1118420917 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm lazy too but i guess so < 1118420930 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just guessing < 1118420961 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1118422691 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it is < 1118422794 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least if the stack is able to hold bignums < 1118422840 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you have infinitely extendable canvases to paint < 1118422856 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not needed, I think < 1118422902 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as soon as you have a canvas with an UTM program in it, you have a Turing-complete language < 1118423062 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have said that it's a pushdown automaton, but I recently saw that BF just needs a few (5 at most, 2 at least) cells with arbitrary integers in them to be TC < 1118423076 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck#Computational_class < 1118423126 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the stack rotate operation makes Piet able to handle the stack as a finite amount of variables < 1118423141 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, that should be stated in the wiki < 1118423158 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go for it < 1118423565 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stuff in esowiki is interesting < 1118423589 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be quite cool afterall! :) < 1118424422 0 :graue!~graue@ip68-100-130-21.dc.dc.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1118424935 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: is that 'smallfuck to smetana' stuff anywhere? < 1118424942 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or have you written anything about it? < 1118424950 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be interested in reading < 1118425801 0 :calamari_!~jeffryj@lilly.csoft.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1118425807 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1118425940 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ello < 1118426039 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oy < 1118426045 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1118426056 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can one just edit the esolangs wiki? < 1118426062 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to add some stuff < 1118426065 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please do! < 1118426089 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. i'll do so. after the dinner ;) < 1118426090 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is nice if you create an account before editing, but not mandatory < 1118426095 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1118426100 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll do that < 1118426290 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i brought the dinner here :) < 1118426333 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please avoid food stains on wiki articles < 1118426347 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops too late :) < 1118427202 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, is it allowed edit User:Keymaker page? :) < 1118427211 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1118427223 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1118427228 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i'll modify < 1118427310 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can edit practically any page (including other users' pages) < 1118427465 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1118427465 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i meant that is it ok if edit it.. < 1118427465 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you people don't count it as self-advertising or anything < 1118427465 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(only linkin' two of my websites ;)) < 1118427499 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what the user pages are for! don't expect that anyone else will edit it < 1118427559 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have user page? < 1118427564 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(haven't checked) < 1118427608 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Special:Listusers < 1118427608 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/User:Keymaker < 1118427626 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1118427639 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i meant your link) < 1118429296 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: here is what you probably shouldn't do: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/User:Calamari how's that for overdoing it? :) < 1118429462 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1118429465 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that is a nice user page. < 1118429469 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1118429472 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i added a new page: < 1118429473 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Hello < 1118429514 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: http://z3.ca/~lament/smetana_sf.tar.z < 1118429516 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1118429519 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: http://z3.ca/~lament/smetana_sf.tar.gz < 1118429559 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheers < 1118429591 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. Who needs Hello when we have HQ9+ ? ;) < 1118429667 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hq9+ was great :) < 1118429680 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just checked out Hello's home page and thought: "what? an esolang made by a woman? can it be?" < 1118429690 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it wasn't < 1118429700 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. just a guy named Anne < 1118429732 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad, i was almost contacting the person until i read that :) < 1118429743 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I was nammed anne I'd make esolangs too < 1118429824 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs are an exclusively male activity < 1118429825 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very macho < 1118429851 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, most of you guys (okay, me too) have nicks which makes it impossible to know your gender, so maybe there are some women here as well... I've just assumed you're all male (probably very sexist of me) < 1118429895 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ lament :p < 1118429900 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1118429908 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: Or you've been on IRC for more than ten minutes. < 1118429928 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1118429952 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :efnet has women < 1118429957 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IRC. The place where men are men, women are men, and 16 year old girls are FBI agents" < 1118429971 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1118429975 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :case in point < 1118429975 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe < 1118429978 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :efnet doesn't have women :P < 1118429993 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember where that quote is from though < 1118429999 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either the way, we need females here. < 1118430135 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if there are any, I expect they pretend to be male. < 1118430155 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why pretend? Folks will assume just fine on their own. < 1118430167 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :touche < 1118430832 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I'm curious.. how can we display a whitespace program on the wiki without using images? < 1118430875 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure you can < 1118430879 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could invent some kind of escape code, but that wouldn't work well for a 2-d whitespace, if there is ever such a thing < 1118430909 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1118430914 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there're women on IRC < 1118430921 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there even are women on Freenode < 1118430935 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but to expect women in #esoteric is clearly a bit too much < 1118430942 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1118431016 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be possible, but I don't think you ought to. < 1118431080 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, with whitepsace. < 1118431089 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you are the only one here who explicitly identifies yourself as a male. Got something to hide??? ;) < 1118431109 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION detaches his/her artifificial penis
< 1118431125 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you were talking about whitespace :) < 1118431148 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey is a known male :P < 1118431164 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregorR: I'd like to automatically feed programs from the wiki into esoshell.. but does the wiki allow arbitrary chars like that? < 1118431181 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh, I see. Doubtful. < 1118431208 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a mini preprocessor table at the top.. so that you could set a=" ", b="\n", etc < 1118431209 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I guess ... If there's some equiv. to

, it should be happy.
< 1118431211 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there is some 
 equivalent?
< 1118431219 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahahaha :P
< 1118431222 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great minds, etc...
< 1118431223 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe, that would definitely be best
< 1118431291 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone remember how to set expert mode in ircii?  
< 1118431323 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess since I don't remember means I am non-expert.. so.. brb :)
< 1118431332 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1118431444 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this esolang wiki editing is fun
< 1118431519 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
 works!!!
< 1118431532 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it maintain TAB characters?
< 1118431593 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1118431601 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see test here: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/User:Rune
< 1118431656 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't enter tabs directly in the editor (at least not in my browser), but pasting works fine
< 1118431712 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: how exactly does the digital root thing work?
< 1118431719 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause it doesn't do anything
< 1118431839 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i see
< 1118431842 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you had DOS linebreaks
< 1118432206 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mh where?
< 1118432218 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :digitalr.t
< 1118432221 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1118432222 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1118432234 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were breaking the interpreter
< 1118432241 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used the ready-compiled dos interpreter
< 1118432241 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it works in windows
< 1118432246 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1118432249 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was using the python one
< 1118432252 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1118432261 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is it the same one?)
< 1118432267 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so
< 1118432276 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it was in original thue package
< 1118432327 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1118432346 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, yes
< 1118432367 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code should be fine
< 1118432375 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(digitalr.t)
< 1118432423 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anybody know if whitespace it TC?
< 1118432423 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1118432428 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works after i changed the linebreaks
< 1118432432 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1118432443 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interpreter's fault :)
< 1118432505 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you can't expect any reasonable piece of software to recognize dos linebreaks :)
< 1118432559 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1118432560 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1118432571 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1118432647 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but dos linebreaks include char #10, so it should work on most systems, no?
< 1118432691 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: what should work?
< 1118432704 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dos linebreaks...
< 1118432727 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: no, dos linebreaks will work on dos and on especially forgiving editors on real operating systems
< 1118432761 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a whitespace nterpreter should read: \r - this must be a comment, ignore ... \n - line break
< 1118432765 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And hence work regardless.
< 1118432782 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. exaclty my point
< 1118432785 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, unless you use MacOS <=9 linebreaks)
< 1118432802 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they change it in OS X ?
< 1118432810 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's UNIX linebreaks now.
< 1118432827 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice. If only MS would do the same
< 1118432841 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they're just going to make them longer :P
< 1118432857 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: neither 0xA or 0xD are named "line break". 0xD is Unix is carriage return. 0xA is line feed.
< 1118432859 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be CR-LF-PageB-tab-tab-space-lf
< 1118432866 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and \n = 0xD
< 1118432899 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :malaprop: From a UNIX-centric whitespace nterpreters standpoint, \n = linebreak.
< 1118432904 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I meant.
< 1118432917 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1118434628 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made a logo for esowiki, featuring esododo:
< 1118434629 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://koti.mbnet.fi/yiap/stuff/esolang.png
< 1118434649 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although the creature doesn't probably look like dodo)
< 1118434652 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey! the dodo is back :)
< 1118434668 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1118434726 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just thought it could be fun/look nice. i don't like that yellow flower so much
< 1118434770 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: The yellow flower is the logo for MediaWiki.
< 1118434775 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. several people have been making logo suggestions. maybe we should have a contest
< 1118434813 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1118434825 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, anyone got link?
< 1118435039 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno has been using piet programs
< 1118435060 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes
< 1118435063 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw one today
< 1118435068 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he meant to use the fibonacci program, but the eso-program would be much better IMHO
< 1118435073 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see that?
< 1118435074 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. what about random logo?
< 1118435085 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1118435093 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :random logo could be nice
< 1118435095 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple, i like your last spoof
< 1118435115 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made some spoofs of the wikimedia logo: http://rune.krokodille.com/lang/logos.html
< 1118435126 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, and i like the fourth one
< 1118435138 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I've heard, graue :)
< 1118435177 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of variations that could be done with that theme...
< 1118435189 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does the dodo face away from the page?
< 1118435202 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be looking off the side of the screen
< 1118435218 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, dodos are stupid birds... :)
< 1118435298 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other reason is i simply just can't draw anything :D
< 1118435420 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for the late answer, got an unexpected visit of my parents right after pressing enter in the last line I wrote
< 1118435437 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1118435482 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have both corrected DMM's Fibonacci program in Piet and created one which reads (and prints) "ESO" but then don't need to be used as logos
< 1118435494 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/then/they/
< 1118435518 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/piet/fib2.php
< 1118435529 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/eso.png
< 1118435543 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, broken, hold a sec
< 1118435546 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone needs to make a three instruction language: [, ], and yellow flower
< 1118435554 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we can say the mediawiki logo is a program
< 1118435556 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1118435573 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lang could be called Flower Power
< 1118435576 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/eso-big.png
< 1118435894 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the eso logo is really nice
< 1118435903 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe. mmh flower power..
< 1118435997 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1118436051 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be reduced at will; it's not fixed-size (though an integral number of pixels per codel is recommended)
< 1118436137 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: can file upload permissions be established?
< 1118436204 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes trying to make music

< 1118436214 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with 'buzz' tracker)
< 1118436377 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno, er what?
< 1118436408 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the wiki, I mean
< 1118436454 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not permitting you to upload?
< 1118436470 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been reading yesterday's log about the possibility of a separate namespace for EsoShell
< 1118436491 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the idea very much but I don't like everyone being able to upload and post java files
< 1118436629 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if file permissions can be established for some users I think that will be safe
< 1118437137 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. it should be restricted to admins
< 1118437193 0 :calamari_!~jeffryj@lilly.csoft.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1118437194 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re's
< 1118437512 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi calamari_ 
< 1118437522 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi pgimeno :)
< 1118439063 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rgh..
< 1118439067 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making music is so hard
< 1118439071 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better just listen :)
< 1118439119 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1118439990 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keymaker: what type of music are you composing?
< 1118440068 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno could one call it composing..
< 1118440073 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, hard to tell
< 1118440118 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monotrack/schranz
< 1118440143 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with industrial flavour
< 1118440205 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds interesting
< 1118440215 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope so
< 1118440220 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only song i've finished
< 1118440225 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is about half a year old
< 1118440233 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and made with different program; modplug
< 1118440249 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called "radiation machine"
< 1118440273 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's monotrack
< 1118440287 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i could upload it if you want to hear it.
< 1118440375 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. and the track must be heard loud. if you listen that one low it doesn't sound good. preferably with good speakers
< 1118440389 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you gotta feel the bass
< 1118440397 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1118440411 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't very danceable, i warn
< 1118440418 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ok, i'll upload it now
< 1118440443 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1118440502 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm now uploading, takes a while
< 1118440524 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, don't worry
< 1118440539 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i haven't made up any artist name the artist is "factory esthetic".. :\
< 1118440549 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so don't care about crappy naming!)
< 1118440564 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1118440569 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well, the file is "radiation beta" although it's done :)
< 1118440590 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have just an unfinished one
< 1118440602 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :music?
< 1118440609 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, module
< 1118440616 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1118440636 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran out of ideas :)
< 1118440656 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1118440659 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, here it is:
< 1118440660 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://koti.mbnet.fi/yiap/stuff/radiation beta.mp3
< 1118440692 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as warning, again, it's not very good!
< 1118440704 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't you upload the module?
< 1118440721 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i have added some effects with audacity
< 1118440732 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cheating
< 1118440736 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add the effects properly
< 1118440745 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't. don't listen then :p
< 1118440775 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: so, about the permissions...?
< 1118440794 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that's possible
< 1118440809 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm
< 1118440861 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a problem IMO
< 1118440902 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can a wiki page hold a java program that is not an uploaded file?
< 1118440922 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. in a different URL (the files section)
< 1118440945 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(np: factory esthetic - radiation machine)
< 1118440954 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1118440960 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah now playing..
< 1118441005 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good
< 1118441010 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks!
< 1118441066 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a bit too exaggerated the bass IMO, unless you want to break my window :)
< 1118441072 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha :)
< 1118441167 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1118441175 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheers :)
< 1118441182 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it
< 1118441185 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the ending "sequence"
< 1118441191 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like where the beeps go off
< 1118441204 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't explain..
< 1118441210 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno, possibly
< 1118441250 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be safe enough (for me at least)
< 1118441298 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: you can hardly explain music, if at all
< 1118441317 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1118441320 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, the ending sounds good
< 1118441353 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1118441663 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1118441675 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should start making some content to bf-hacks.org
< 1118441682 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new program or some text
< 1118441698 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not that good writing about math/computer subjects..
< 1118441710 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so perhaps i'll just program something
< 1118441724 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or then start writing the first issue of the brainfuck magazine
< 1118441741 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either the way, i'll switch to linux now, takes some mins..
< 1118441743 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I've seen this déjà vu before.."
< 1118442020 0 :Keymaker!~a@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1118442028 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1118442394 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't invent name..
< 1118443812 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1118443824 0 :calamari_!~jeffryj@lilly.csoft.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1118443955 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads scrollback

< 1118444001 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don'tthink I'm following very well... but one thing for sure is that the class file and wiki pages need to be at the same url, or Java freaks out with security exceptions
< 1118444027 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything at the same url is fine, but if the url changes any, Java won't allow it
< 1118444039 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err host I should say, not url
< 1118444051 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the host going to change?
< 1118444105 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, no it isn't
< 1118444110 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they can be made relative
< 1118444158 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only issue with that is that there are two possible servers for the URLs: www.esolangs.org and esoteric.voxelperfect.net
< 1118444166 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I think we're okay.. the current class file prints a bunch of html garbage.. that is http://lilly.csoft.net/~jeffryj  but the class file was run from EsoShell/
< 1118444187 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: as long as the redirect happens before the java file runs, it's okay
< 1118444198 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, try http://kidsquid.com/EsoShell
< 1118444205 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if they can be really relative
< 1118444217 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not redirects
< 1118444218 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise that's an issue
< 1118444226 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, won't they be?
< 1118444239 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you examine the host that was given in the http request?
< 1118444273 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: Java doesn't care what I look at.. once it makes up its own mind, we're stuck with that decision, afaik
< 1118444289 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see what I'm saying?
< 1118444306 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it decides what the codebase is
< 1118444311 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: my concern is just if the