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10:06:15 <mtve> hehe, another one esoteric lang http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/The_Hidden_Boot_Code_of_the_Xbox
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14:31:50 <ShinDerChan> hy
14:32:18 <kipple> hi
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16:50:20 <tokigun> hello
16:50:35 <tokigun> GregorR: I love RXML XD
16:51:13 <GregorR> lol
16:51:15 <GregorR> Thanks :P
16:51:18 <tokigun> I suggest adding palette support and different color space rather than RGB to RXML
16:51:42 <GregorR> That could actually reduce the size though.
16:51:46 <GregorR> That would be tragic ;)
16:51:48 <tokigun> ;)
16:52:13 <tokigun> but different color space can be fun
16:52:16 <GregorR> OR I could make it have palette support, but by default that palette is every possible color (+ alpha!)
16:52:39 <GregorR> So there's a gigantic <palette> section at the beginning that's so huge as to still make RXML bigger :P
16:52:45 <tokigun> like <indexed-color index="16777215" /> ? :)
16:52:52 <GregorR> Exactly
16:52:54 <GregorR> :)
16:53:25 <jix> cmyk support
16:53:31 <jix> 4 components vs 3
16:53:48 <GregorR> It has alpha.
16:53:51 <tokigun> jix: in fact there is 5 components because of alpha channel
16:53:53 <jix> cmyka
16:53:55 <tokigun> s/is/are/
16:53:57 <GregorR> Heheh
16:54:12 <jix> cmyk has redundant data and that's good
16:54:18 <GregorR> CMYK*A (* = THE UNFATHOMABLE COLOR OF DOOOOOOOM!!!!!)
16:54:34 <GregorR> Actually, why stick to the visible range?
16:54:42 <jix> UV and IR
16:54:53 <GregorR> XTUROYGBIVRG
16:54:59 <jix> but UV and IR are additive CMYK are subtractive
16:55:03 <jix> you can't mix them
16:55:13 <jix> hmm you can
16:55:14 <GregorR> Which is why I used ROYGBIV there ;)
16:55:16 <jix> why not ^^
16:55:35 <tokigun> we can use YCbCr... it used in jpeg to make compression better but in RXML it doesn't help :P
16:55:55 <jix> hey use mathematic function for discribing the whole spectrum!
16:56:18 <jix> f(frequency)=>intensity
16:56:30 <jix> and use xml math
16:57:06 <jix> <expression><add><constant="1"><frequency></add></expression>
16:57:23 <GregorR> AMNROYGBIVUXC
16:57:38 <GregorR> lol
16:57:47 <jix> oh
16:57:50 <jix> that's invalid
16:57:54 <jix> <constatn="1" />
16:57:58 <jix> <drequency />
16:58:06 <GregorR> rAdio, Microwave, iNfrared, Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Indigo, Violet, Ultraviolet, X-rays, gamma
16:58:08 <tokigun> jix: <constant>1</constant> is valid.
16:58:17 <jix> that is really cool and hard to convert and stupid
16:58:26 <jix> but you have the full spectrum
16:58:28 <tokigun> of course <constant value="1" /> is also valid but <constant="1" /> is invalid
16:58:54 <jix> oh yes
16:59:12 <GregorR> Really, there's no reason to have the full spectrum, in such a case it ought to be <light frequency="..."/>
16:59:35 <jix> GregorR: no... that's not enough
16:59:47 <GregorR> Oh, it would also need a K.
16:59:52 <GregorR> Brilliance.
17:00:14 <GregorR> Something like that :P
17:06:17 <tokigun> expanding an idea of RXML, there should be something like WXML(Wave XML) for symmetry.
17:12:06 <GregorR> And RXML would be easily (?) convertable into WXML :)))
17:16:17 <jix> frequency=".." wouldn't work
17:16:23 <jix> because white is more than one frequency
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17:21:33 * GregorR slaps his head.
17:21:36 <GregorR> Of course you're right.'
17:22:05 <jix> back to XML math functions *g*
17:22:14 <GregorR> How about XML audio.
17:22:26 <jix> GregorR: good idea
17:22:35 <GregorR> <sample amplitude="..." ... />
17:22:44 <jix> it should use wavelet transforms
17:22:48 <jix> but without compression
17:22:56 <GregorR> XD
17:22:59 <jix> because input and output of a wavelet transform has the same size
17:23:31 <GregorR> So, make it more compressable, then don't compress it.
17:23:38 <jix> yes
17:23:43 <GregorR> Sort of like for (i = 0; i < 1000000000; i++);
17:23:55 <GregorR> Watch that CPU spin :P
17:23:57 <jix> or do a reverse transformation on the original data
17:24:01 <jix> make it less compressable
17:24:06 <GregorR> lol
17:24:20 <jix> and use binary numbers
17:24:22 <jix> 100101010.10101010!
17:24:36 <jix> and checksum for every sample!
17:24:44 <GregorR> And the default frequency is, instead of 44 or 48kHz, 44mHz
17:24:53 <jix> haha
17:24:58 <GregorR> Well beyond the ability for humans to tell the difference.
17:25:10 <jix> hmm well my harddisk is only 160gb
17:25:20 <GregorR> Oh, that could cause a problem then :P
17:25:42 <jix> maybe use 44 khz at the begining and 99 at the end
17:26:13 <GregorR> <sample amplitude="..." location="..." checksum="..."/>
17:26:20 <jix> haha location!
17:26:31 <jix> location in nano-seconds
17:26:33 <GregorR> That way you could move around all the samples in the input XML :P
17:26:37 <GregorR> No, in samples.
17:26:42 <jix> ok
17:26:44 <GregorR> So it's ludicrously huge.
17:27:20 <jix> oh the samples have to be sorted by checksum
17:27:27 <GregorR> XD
17:27:28 <jix> it's invalid to not do it
17:27:38 <jix> and every decode has to check it 
17:27:44 <GregorR> That makes it difficult, but not actually larger, so it's just sort of strange :P
17:27:50 <jix> (sorting all samples is sloooow)
17:27:59 <jix> and takes much ram!
17:28:03 <GregorR> Ah yes.
17:28:06 <GregorR> This is of course true.
17:28:26 <GregorR> Oh, and each sample has to have a name field, which must be at least 14 alphanumeric characters :P
17:28:35 <jix> yes
17:28:42 <jix> stereo!
17:28:54 <GregorR> Oy!  You're right!
17:28:54 <jix> 5.1!
17:29:11 <jix> channel="14char long channel"
17:29:14 <GregorR> <channel number=1><sample amplitude="..." location="..." checksum="..."/>...<,/channel>
17:29:35 <GregorR> number, what was I thinking?!
17:30:08 <jix> no we have to store the x,y and z position and 3d rotation of the speakers and the volume of the speaker and the V range of the speaker
17:30:20 <jix> think of a V and how tall it is as V range
17:30:37 <jix> because there are speakers that make sounds in all directions
17:30:53 <jix> but that can't be done on per sample basis
17:30:59 <GregorR> lol
17:31:14 <GregorR> <sample amplitude="..." location="..." checksum="..." name="..." channel="DOLBY Digital 5.1 Audio Subwoofer"/>
17:31:27 <GregorR> The channel has to have precisely the correct name to work.
17:31:42 <jix> no it has to be in the supported speaker table
17:31:48 <jix> but the table has some spelling errors
17:31:53 <GregorR> XD
17:32:28 <GregorR> <sample amplitude="..." location="..." checksum="..." name="..." channel="DOLBY Digitle Five Point Won Odio Sub-woofer"/>
17:32:29 <jix> channel="DLOBY Figital 5:1 Audoi Suwboofer"
17:32:38 <jix> haha
17:32:55 <GregorR> :P
17:33:22 <jix> DOLBY (registered trademark)...
17:33:27 <GregorR> AHAHAHA
17:34:13 <GregorR> BTW, the checksum has to be a 4096-bit hash.
17:34:29 <jix> amplitude="one thousand two hundred fifty two point three"
17:34:37 <GregorR> XD
17:35:00 <GregorR> I think roman numerals might be more esoteric :P
17:35:06 <jix> hahahahah!
17:35:10 <jix> that rules
17:35:16 <jix> but we have to use the 1000 notation
17:35:27 <jix> because a - over a letter means x 1000
17:35:42 <jix> but we can't paint - over letters in xml
17:35:47 <GregorR> Right
17:35:50 <jix> so we have to use a prefix notation
17:35:56 <jix> _V => 5000
17:37:06 <GregorR> Hmm, doesn't M = 1000?
17:37:16 <jix> yes
17:37:28 <GregorR> But that's a mere one character :)
17:37:43 <jix> they use _V for 5000
17:37:48 <jix> but we could use MMMMM
17:38:33 <GregorR> OK, I'm going to be crazy and do work now, see you later :P
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18:31:05 <Keymaker> aaargh
18:31:30 <Keymaker> i got two wisdom teeth removed from my jaw
18:32:13 <Keymaker> wasn't fun
18:41:58 <GregorR> I had all four of my wisdom teeth removed in one sitting.
18:42:31 <Keymaker> argh
18:42:45 <GregorR> 'tis no fun indeed.
18:42:45 <Keymaker> i was lucky in that case
18:43:14 <GregorR> Have you gone chipmunk-faced? :)
18:43:25 <Keymaker> heh a bit
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19:46:20 <calamari> hi
19:48:55 <ShinDerChan> hy
19:51:21 <lament> helo
20:00:45 <jix> i got all four 7. teeth removed
20:01:13 <jix> and i'll get the wisdom teeth removed too...
20:01:30 <GregorR> Hmm, jix has tooth problems?
20:02:07 <jix> to many tooth for my jaw...
20:03:03 <jix> i had braces for many years too
20:08:28 <GregorR> I had braces for two years ... and the (evil) Herbst (sp) Appliance
20:09:44 <calamari> <brag>never had braces, and only one cavity..</brag>
20:10:09 <calamari> did have to get my wisdom teeth taken out, though
20:10:47 <calamari> <-- not as wise anymore.. guess that's how I fell for all this esoteric stuff hehe
20:13:19 <GregorR> I have a retainer permanently affixed to my lower teeth :P
20:13:29 <GregorR> Yeah, that's right!  I'm a cyborg!  WOOOH!
20:15:00 <calamari> I have a calculator watch semi-permanently attached to my left arm.... :(
20:15:25 <GregorR> I have an onHandPC wrist PDA.
20:15:34 <GregorR> Your move, calamari ;)
20:15:58 <calamari> nerd! :P
20:16:12 <GregorR> Damn right!  Damn proud!  Damn ... well, you get the picture.
20:16:13 <jix> i have a computer-mouse in my hand
20:16:14 <calamari> is it programmable?
20:16:21 <GregorR> calamari: Yup
20:16:30 <calamari> cool.. how long do the batteries last?
20:16:39 <GregorR> About 2mo. with regular use.
20:16:45 <calamari> not too bad
20:17:16 <calamari> this casio watch the batteries last years.. wonder if a programmable watch could be made to last that long
20:18:07 <GregorR> That would be awesome.
20:18:38 <jix> i'd like to have a little programmable device...
20:18:57 <jix> hmm i have my ti89.. but ti-basic sucks and ti-gcc is winonly
20:19:15 <calamari> only need 8 instructions.... ;)
20:19:20 <jix> stupid delphi-writtin binary converter...
20:19:31 <jix> calamari: yes but i don't have "them"
20:19:59 <jix> my calculator is able to solve complex equations but there is no brainfuck interpreter
20:20:09 <GregorR> I think it's a well-established fact that you do NOT need 8 instructions :P
20:20:20 <calamari> I wrote a bf interp for ti-82.. wonder if it'd work
20:20:52 <calamari> GregorR: yeah, but you understood my cryptic comment, so it was effective :)
20:21:03 <jix> calamari: no
20:21:07 <jix> ti89 basic is different
20:21:16 <GregorR> calamari: I don't know if I would consider that as cryptic on this channel ;)
20:21:19 <calamari> well, write one.. would be very easy for you
20:21:35 <jix> calamari: no because input/output handling sucks!
20:21:55 <calamari> I want to write another for my hp48, but only after I learn how to do it in ASM
20:22:10 <jix> and there are programs and functions.. functions may return values... but may not use IO .. programs may use IO but may not return values that's STUPID!
20:22:30 <calamari> jix: iirc I used vectors for i/o
20:23:20 <jix> calamari: but i want to use the I/O screen for I/O
20:23:59 <calamari> one sad thing is that the newer casio watches are all fat.. I guess they don't remember how to make em slim anymore.  had to get this one off ebay
20:25:27 <jix> i thought about designing my own cpu+computer
20:25:45 <jix> my brother has a fpga... but the software is windows only...
20:25:55 <GregorR> http://tigcc.ticalc.org/linux.html
20:26:03 <jix> GregorR: i'm on osx
20:26:13 <jix> and it uses x86 only parts
20:26:16 <GregorR> It says that it tries to be *nix-compatible
20:26:18 <GregorR> Oh
20:26:19 <calamari> would need custom lcd's for the watch too.. bet that's not cheap
20:26:20 <GregorR> Lame.
20:26:33 <GregorR> Well, soon enough, you'll be on x86 too BWAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAH Intel wins.
20:27:20 <jix> i'm going to build my own computer based on 1802 cpus
20:27:41 <calamari> haven't heard of that one.. when was it manufactured?
20:27:47 <jix> 76
20:27:58 <jix> about...
20:28:04 <GregorR> "I am also maintaining compatibility with Linux on non-x86 platforms and with other Unices (*BSD, MacOS X etc.)."
20:28:16 <calamari> nice.. I was building an 8085 based computer but never finished it
20:28:17 <jix> but it doesn't work
20:28:19 <jix> i tried it
20:28:23 <GregorR> Wow.
20:28:24 <GregorR> That sucks.
20:28:44 <jix> maybe the newest version works
20:28:51 <jix> he says he fixed something
20:28:53 <jix> with osx
20:29:22 <jix> the setup was strange anyway
20:30:18 <jix> i wanted to try it cause there was a new working ti-emulator for non windows then...
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22:27:23 <calamari> just curious, is the second part of this song title in a language any of you guys know?  Fishbirdmittemellan
22:27:47 <Keymaker> mmh
22:27:54 <Keymaker> haven't heard before
22:28:02 <Keymaker> sounds like combination of english and german
22:28:25 <calamari> how about Rabarbersaft
22:28:46 <Keymaker> sounds german
22:28:56 <calamari> :)
22:29:01 <Keymaker> not sure, since i haven't read it for two years
22:29:15 <calamari> np, thanks :)
22:30:01 <Keymaker> let's take a look at good ol' babelfish: translate Rabarbersaft from German to English.. the result is:
22:30:02 <Keymaker> Rabarbersaft
22:31:09 <GregorR> Let's play IRC cherades!
22:31:22 <Keymaker> :)
22:31:29 * GregorR holds up one finger.
22:31:47 <calamari> hmm, some www searches shows Finnish.. maybe? :)
22:32:04 <liebestraume> mittemellan is swedish
22:32:21 <calamari> what does it mean?
22:32:33 * GregorR guesses: birdfish.
22:32:40 <GregorR> Fishbird rather
22:32:44 <Keymaker> :)
22:32:56 <calamari> my guess too, but who knows hehe
22:33:13 <liebestraume> calamari: no idea, i don't speak swedish
22:33:48 <jix> rababersaft is rababer? juice
22:33:55 <liebestraume> i would guess mittemellan means hybrid
22:34:09 <liebestraume> there's people who speak swedish in #haskell, you could ask them :)
22:34:47 <Keymaker> hmm yes, it sounds like swedish
22:34:55 <Keymaker> i should have guessed/known that
22:35:05 <Keymaker> can't remember what it means, though
22:35:09 <calamari> found a swedish - english dictionary .. checking it out :)
22:35:16 <Keymaker> (in case i have even heard it)
22:35:19 <Keymaker> ok
22:35:38 <GregorR> calamari has a Swedish-English dictionary handy ... that's ... odd.
22:35:43 <liebestraume> my gf is obsessed with swedish
22:35:52 <liebestraume> she would probably know what this means
22:35:57 <calamari> GregorR: online ;)
22:36:03 <GregorR> Oh :P
22:36:05 <Keymaker> online
22:36:06 <Keymaker> hmmm
22:36:09 <Keymaker> birdfish online
22:36:11 <Keymaker> makes sense
22:36:20 * Keymaker 's head explodes!!!!!
22:36:30 <liebestraume> o_O
22:36:31 <GregorR> lol
22:39:53 <calamari> rabarbersaft = Rhubarb Juice
22:40:16 <calamari> definitely Swedish.. thanks :)
22:41:04 <GregorR> mitt = my and emellan = between ... my between?
22:42:04 <Keymaker> i thought it was something between stuff too
22:43:17 <calamari> mitt= middle, mellan =between
22:43:38 <calamari> cool.. was breaking up the word wrong.. thought it was mitte
22:44:54 <calamari> so, half-fish half-bird..  hehe
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22:49:22 <calamari> hrm.. I think I'm going to need a 3 word parser for my game
22:49:43 <calamari> that's going to complicate things
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23:08:41 <Keymaker> nite
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