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00:09:21 <jix> GregorR: talk!
00:09:34 <jix> ok it works
00:10:23 <jix> graph is a social network bot
00:10:59 <jix> it analyzes who talks and paints: http://macintosh.jix.qz-b.de/graph/esoteric/esoteric-current.png
00:13:10 <jix> calamari_: hi
00:13:29 <jix> i thought that bot is pretty cool
00:13:31 <calamari_> listening to some old mods while I work out the details of my adventure game
00:13:43 <jix> hehe mods are cool
00:15:30 <calamari_> {^Raven^}: putting you on the graph ;)
00:15:49 <jix> {^Raven^}: /me too
00:16:59 <calamari_> do you do the graph drawing/centering yourself?
00:17:11 <jix> no i'm using a ready to run java bot
00:17:29 <jix> but i thought about writing something like this in ruby
00:17:34 <jix> but i don't have enough time atm
00:18:52 <calamari_> you could have it follow the conversation
00:19:06 <calamari_> would never be perfect, but close enough
00:19:14 <jix> follow the conversation?
00:19:31 <calamari_> I don't have to say "jix" but you know I'm talking to you, because I said jix: earlier
00:19:39 <jix> the bot does that
00:23:13 * GregorR wonders why calamari_ hey'd him ...
00:23:35 <jix> GregorR: http://macintosh.jix.qz-b.de/graph/esoteric/esoteric-current.png
00:23:50 <jix> social network diagram
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00:24:29 <jix> ok nick changes work
00:24:34 <GregorR> So if I say "jix R teh rawx0rz" often, it would show a more bold link between you and I?
00:24:48 <jix> GregorR: yes
00:24:55 <pgimeno> hi, sorry to be late to the previous half-bird half-fish discussion... this is not exactly that but it's not very unlike that: http://funny.evilbunny.org/display/1738/
00:24:55 <jix> but you don't have to highlite me
00:25:11 <jix> pgimeno: hey http://macintosh.jix.qz-b.de/graph/esoteric/esoteric-current.png
00:25:35 <pgimeno> I already knew about it from a guy called FennecFoxen
00:25:48 <jix> GregorR: it is "intelligent" and just "knows" when we talk
00:26:45 <ZeroOne> it's not very difficult... it just spies on when people write lines after each other.
00:27:15 <pgimeno> calamari: yeah, I loved that image... it's in my Evilbunny favourite list
00:27:42 <jix> ZeroOne: yes the graph drawing is more difficult..
00:28:35 <pgimeno> as is this one (slightly more related to this channel's topic): http://funny.evilbunny.org/display/1808/
00:28:42 <ZeroOne> but it doesn't take much of artificial intelligence to see people send messages to each other turn by turn
00:28:53 <calamari> I did some graph drawing for a class a few sesters ago.. I just constrained the points to a big circle
00:28:54 <ZeroOne> and then notice that hey, maybe they are talking together
00:29:21 <jix> pgimeno: LOL
00:29:42 <jix> ZeroOne: that's why i quoted the words
00:30:37 <ZeroOne> ok, apparently my sense of humor then just went to sleep before me. ;o
00:32:39 <pgimeno> oh btw, mtve, thanks for the link to that xbox page, I loved it :)
00:37:06 <pgimeno> this one not bad either (image file name is 'how-to-export-crypto-system-from-USA.jpg'): http://funny.evilbunny.org/display/1952
00:45:23 <GregorR> What's the original software for that social network diagram?
00:46:47 <GregorR> Bravo Gregor, way to read the tagline on the image before asking a stupid question.
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01:04:11 <cpressey> cpressey: stop trying to confuse the social network tracking software!
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01:28:22 <pgimeno> it apparently associates a yet unknown commenter with the writer of the last line
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01:33:57 <calamari> or did it erase me when I left?
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01:35:01 <calamari> nope.. guess I just confused it :)
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01:35:29 <suppy> pgimeno: fine, thanks
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08:21:19 <GregorR> According to the social connections image, I don't talk to calamari at all.
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13:19:38 <jix> graph is back
13:19:46 <jix> it works now
13:20:02 <jix> i had to reset the graph
13:20:26 <jix> http://macintosh.jix.qz-b.de/graph/esoteric/current.png (still the old image but if we talk it gets updated)
15:34:49 <jix> it's boring here
15:35:09 <jix> GregorR: do something un-boring
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21:37:48 <GregorR> Are you suggesting that I never do anything un-boring?
21:39:38 <calamari> anything exciting today? cmeme seems to be mia
21:41:23 <GregorR> No, I'm just waiting for DirectNet-related emails.
21:41:53 <calamari> have you done any 3d programming?
21:42:56 <GregorR> Because network programming > 3D graphics
21:43:31 <calamari> I think it'd be cool to see that new gravity/motion esolang implemented in 3-D, showing the orbits
21:44:16 <calamari> http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Gravity
21:45:47 <calamari> since that doesn't require a #-D card afaik
21:47:22 <jix> use opengl because java 3d has problems
21:47:35 <fizzie> Java3D has the freaky HiResCoord class. A 3-element vector of 256-bit fixed-point (128.128) numbers.
21:47:45 <fizzie> "This coordinate system is sufficient to describe a universe in excess of several billion light years across, yet still define objects smaller than a proton."
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21:48:34 <GregorR_> So THAT'S what that quit menu does.
21:48:46 <jix> GregorR: haha
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21:49:13 <calamari> I thought Gravity was 3-D.. oh well!
21:49:22 <jix> i need a cryptographic secure 1 bit hash function
21:50:13 <fizzie> "You might get some hash collisions with that."
21:50:29 <jix> no it's possible to calculate a msg with given parity using simple math!
21:51:14 <jix> well it's always possible to do this with a 1 bit hash
21:51:23 <jix> some_number + hash
21:51:32 <jix> figuring out some_number should be easy
21:51:47 <jix> ok i need a 2 bit hash
21:52:32 <jix> maybe i should calculate the WHIRLPOOL hash of the msg and take the parity of all even and all odd bits
21:52:38 <jix> WHIRLPOOL is very secure
21:52:44 <jix> so my 2 bit hash is it too
21:53:16 <fizzie> It's probably quite easy to calculate a message with the given 2-bit hash, too, with simple brute-forcing.
21:53:21 <jix> i'm going to encrypt all my msgs using double rot13 and sign them using my 2 bit hash
21:53:48 <jix> fizzie: psshhh i'm going to sell this technology to m$
21:53:54 <jix> don't tell them
21:53:55 <fizzie> Well, it sure sounds secure.
21:54:25 <jix> and why use prime-numbers for RSA/DSA? they are so hard to compute
21:54:40 <jix> why not use 2^n+n?
21:55:13 <jix> no digital root is insecure
21:55:14 <fizzie> They'll ask you how you will be able to recognize the odd bits (as opposed to plain old normal, non-odd bits) in messages.
21:55:16 <jix> WHIRLPOOL is secure
21:56:32 <jix> fizzie: i'll tell them that i load all bits in an exel 2020 table and take every 2nd!(they like usage of their products)
21:58:59 <fizzie> And where do you draw the line! Are all the bits in odd words (or out-of-context-words, like pallokala) considered odd.
22:00:57 <jix> yes! i'm using word 2020s grammar/spelling checks for detecting odd words
22:15:57 <calamari> wait.. is Gravity not supposed to be able to be implemented?
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