< 1125882492 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making progress on the esoshell thing.. decided to GNUize the options to a few utilities while I was at it < 1125882997 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1125883032 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1125884749 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to hear you're making progress :) < 1125885534 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1125886272 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ik zen der is mee weg" < 1125886809 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1125906208 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1125906413 0 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. JOIN :#esoteric < 1125906413 0 :irc.freenode.net!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o ChanServ < 1125907080 0 :CXII!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1125907125 0 :CXII!n=Sanity@dialup-216.88.221.203.acc50-kent-syd.comindico.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1125907199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1125907200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1125908145 0 :calamari!n=calamari@dialup-4.240.150.6.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1125908150 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1125908169 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just ran a program from the wiki! :)
< 1125911282 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1125911736 0 :calamari!n=calamari@dialup-4.240.150.6.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1125911742 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re's.. try it out: < 1125911744 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lilly.csoft.net/~jeffryj/EsoShell/ < 1125911789 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or http://kidsquid.com/EsoShell .. guess I should set up http://esoshell.kidsquid.com < 1125912523 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night < 1125912525 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1125917284 0 :kipple!n=kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1125924584 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1125925900 0 :kipple!n=kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1125925922 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1125934820 0 :sp3tt!n=chatzill@cust-148-133.elhandel.umeaenergi.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1125941434 0 :nooga!i=nooga@ip-50.net-41.rev.inter-c.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1125941436 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1125941781 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1125941976 0 :kipple_!n=kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1125941976 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1125942111 0 :jix!i=jix@p5489C4A1.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1125942179 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hymh < 1125943799 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokigun < 1125945511 0 :kipple_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1125945635 0 :kipple!n=kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1125945785 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1125948897 0 :calamari!n=calamari@dialup-4.240.108.205.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1125948901 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1125949728 0 :sp3tt!n=chatzill@cust-148-133.elhandel.umeaenergi.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1125951165 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1125955305 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1125961211 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTP-POST in Java refuses to work for me... crazy < 1125961739 0 :grim_!n=grim@213-152-53-111.dsl.eclipse.net.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1125961745 0 :grim_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lo all < 1125962039 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hullo grim underscore. < 1125962370 0 :wildhalcyon!n=700af741@216.154.205.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1125962929 0 :Aardwolf!n=neusring@dD57653CA.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1125963628 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1125963643 0 :kipple!n=kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1125963733 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1125963821 0 :calamari!n=calamari@dialup-4.240.150.10.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1125963881 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When can you say that a programming language has only 2 symbols? I mean C++ code is also only 0's and 1's! < 1125963963 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardwolf: C++ can also use A-Z, a-z, punctuation, etc.. not just 0 and 1 :) < 1125964004 0 :grim_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it makes more sense to interpret those 1s and 0s as higher-level code symbols < 1125964077 0 :grim_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just as well interpret C++ code as decimal, does that mean it has 9 symbols? < 1125964089 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, I mean, if you store C++ code on the harddisk, no matter how many A's and Z's and std::vectors it contains, it'll be 0's and 1's on the disk < 1125964094 0 :grim_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, or even 10 ;) < 1125964150 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's for example this language (forgot which one) with 2 commands, one that spins a wheel of commands, the other to execute the selected command of the wheel. How many commands does this language have? The amount of commands on the wheel, or 2? < 1125964205 0 :grim_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called SPIN isn't it? < 1125964231 0 :grim_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION forgets
< 1125964282 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no results for spin on esolang < 1125964320 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whirl? < 1125964356 0 :grim_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm, whirl would be it < 1125964382 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes indeed < 1125964395 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well so does it have 2 commands or is it a sort of cheating :) < 1125964411 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there actually a way defined to tell how much commands a language has :D < 1125964450 0 :grim_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does have 2 commands... in a sense. < 1125964572 0 :grim_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't suppose there is a way of determining how many "true commands" a language has, which seems to be what you're driving at < 1125964604 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardwolf: spinning commands like that is cheating, imo < 1125964611 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ has to have more than 2 commands, because the 0's and 1's are not interpreted independently, same with Whirl, imo. < 1125964633 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah that's probably the best way to look at it < 1125964638 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardwolf: cpu's don't "spin".. opcodes always do the same thing, given the same data (or if no data), afaik < 1125964650 0 :grim_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that modern computing devices store C++ program as a series of 1s and 0s on a magnetic storage medium is a red herring ;) < 1125964675 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should make a real ternary computer :) < 1125964702 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardwolf: I've gotten down to 4 symbols without spinning < 1125964703 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im working on a character code for one, and a not-so-eso programming language too < 1125964714 0 :grim_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spinning is a bit novel, but I thought OISCs ran on a similar principle < 1125964724 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardwolf: it should be possible to get three < 1125964734 0 :grim_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically a look-up table of the real instructions < 1125964768 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grim_: nope.. oisc is one instruction, always the same < 1125964777 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, you mean the BF_instruction_minimalization? :) < 1125964782 0 :grim_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION assumed I was wrong
< 1125964786 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardwolf: yeah :)