< 1125964802 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardwolf: I think it can be reduced to 3.. but I dunno how :) < 1125964806 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey add the 4 symbol solution in there, I don't see it in there :) < 1125964817 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, afk.. got http post working, finally! now to implement that in python < 1125964832 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evenin' all < 1125964834 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aardwolf: it's there, but somewhat obscured by ., < 1125964841 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting discussion here :) < 1125964857 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardwolf: you don't need i/o, so }<[] is 4 < 1125964863 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well would be cool if someone found a revolutionary 3 symbol solution :) < 1125964870 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah < 1125964903 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without io it becomes even less practical though ;) < 1125964924 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not any less so than lambda calculus :) < 1125964947 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a problem with couting commands is that some languages have commands without arguments and some have one or more args per command < 1125964948 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, really afk now < 1125964948 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not necessarily Aardwolf, really I/O doesn't belong on a turing tape < 1125964963 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true that < 1125964969 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy to have few commands if you can use args < 1125965116 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry for being off topic but I once read about code that would generate the same compiler (error) output as the code itself, sort of like a quine but with compiler errors instead. I can't find it again with google though. Anyone remember something about this? < 1125965148 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that, I think it was a version of C or C++ < 1125965157 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a quine-like program < 1125965634 0 :grim_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bed time < 1125965643 0 :grim_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :grim^bed < 1125965938 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardwolf: yeah I remember that.. it was like a 99bob or hello world type page with listings for various languages < 1125965992 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe search for "Bad command or file name" , or various shell errors :) < 1125966002 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1125966067 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got wiki writing working, now need to do it all again in python .. :/ < 1125966096 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? have you switched to python? < 1125966133 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope.. have to work around Java's security mechanisms < 1125966138 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1125966160 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean the applet can't be hosted within the wiki? < 1125966163 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first it POST's to my server, then it will repost that to the wiki < 1125966173 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1125966184 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can, that'll be great when it is < 1125966190 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be good to post an example of a quine on the esolang quine page, or can brainfuck quine code be copyrighted < 1125966192 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this works for now :) < 1125966202 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardwolf: did you write it? < 1125966213 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1125966219 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardwolf: do you know who did? < 1125966224 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1125966228 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't post it :) < 1125966246 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there are names of people mentioned :) http://www.nyx.net/~gthompso/self_brainf.txt < 1125966255 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you know one of them? :) < 1125966279 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker has a bf-quine here: http://bf-hacks.org/programs.html < 1125966289 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure he'll agree to post it on the wiki < 1125966327 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well hopefully he reads the logs :) < 1125966354 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know Brian Raiter: http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/bf/ < 1125966377 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've mailed him before.. cool guy < 1125969074 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ik zen der is mee weg" < 1125970031 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1125970522 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1125974769 0 :calamari!n=calamari@dialup-4.240.114.170.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1125976831 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1125978986 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, mediawiki has some kind of anti-bot checking built in.. < 1125978998 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http post.. its the lamest thing ever < 1125988078 0 :calamari_!n=calamari@dialup-4.240.150.202.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1125988083 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re's < 1125988094 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiki r/w is working! < 1125988122 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoshell.kidsquid.com/ < 1125988435 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh, now it only creates one change entry per new file < 1125988478 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1125988614 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :calamari < 1125990796 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it works.. now all we need are more languages interpreters :) < 1125992795 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :added Unnecessary language interpreter < 1125993599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1125993600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1125996479 0 :Lizzy_K!i=koppig@c529c246f.cable.wanadoo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1125996495 0 :Lizzy_K!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1125996521 0 :grim^bed!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1125998551 0 :kipple!n=kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1126000457 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kipple < 1126002355 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1126002468 0 :graue!i=graue@ip68-100-130-21.dc.dc.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1126002494 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quinelike things that print themselves as error messages are called kimian quines < 1126002610 0 :calamari_!n=calamari@dialup-4.240.108.17.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1126002633 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: I see you've put up the api for esoshell :) < 1126002636 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey cal, all your esoshell stuff is sort of drowning out the normal editing of the wiki < 1126002652 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: yeah I wanted to ask you about that < 1126002657 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we need a "hide esoshell namespace edits" patch for the recent changes page < 1126002668 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: I agree < 1126002672 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that because the Esoshell namespace is not properly configured? < 1126002684 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: yeah afaik there isn't an EsoShell nasespace yet < 1126002685 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's because mediawiki doesn't have a feature like that < 1126002690 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the recent changes only listed changes in the normal namespace < 1126002715 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: graue has been waiting on me to stop being lazy and get the wiki i/o done ;) < 1126002735 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: no, it shows them all < 1126002740 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1126002795 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: is it difficult to add that namespace? < 1126002797 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see that edits by bots are not shown per default. Is it possible to flag the edits made by the shell as 'bot'? < 1126002847 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly, if they're proxied by calamari_'s server < 1126002864 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the proxy would have to log in when it made an edit, and I'd somehow label the account it used as 'bot' < 1126002866 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are.. had to overcome Java's security measures < 1126002878 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not logging in, though < 1126002906 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea about namespaces, but is there any problem with the current setup, other than the talk pages not being "EsoShell talk"? < 1126002980 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looked up the mediawiki documentation, and bot is just a user setting like sysop < 1126002986 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1126002997 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: no, I thought you were wanting the namespace.. if you don't then it doesn't matter < 1126003017 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree it would be nicer < 1126003023 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess there should be a separate EsoShell bot-user < 1126003032 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1126003034 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: I'm wondering about a category for EsoShell though, like you could mark bf as being in EsoShell < 1126003051 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that iomortant right now since only 2 languages are implemented, just something to think about < 1126003053 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Category:Supported by EsoShell]]? < 1126003060 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1126003068 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just [[Category:EsoShell]] < 1126003142 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, calamari_, you could have the proxy mention the user's IP address in its edit summary, as a rough way of tracking who made what edit < 1126003195 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to create a custom namespace you must edit the LocalSettings.php : http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Custom_namespaces < 1126003216 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: hmm, good idea.. I'll lok into that < 1126003320 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: it may be possible to have the app log in as the user, but there are all sorts of security problems there that I'd rather avoid < 1126003337 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you can't flag the edits as 'bot' < 1126003761 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are now a couple of articles about specific implementations in the wiki (awib and BFBasic). I think we should have a category for them. < 1126003835 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps there should be a [[category:Brainfuck]] to put all bf-related stuff in. < 1126003868 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops. are you messing with the namespaces, graue? ;) < 1126003894 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something is definately wrong right now... < 1126003956 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[category:implementations]] sounds good, and yeah I just was < 1126003985 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you've messed up something. look at http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Iota_and_Jot < 1126003994 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see comments from the php file... < 1126004018 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks fine to me :) < 1126004023 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does? < 1126004028 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, reload < 1126004052 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reloads and gets a bit embarrassed
< 1126004061 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, calamari_, it seems you have to recreate the EsoShell pages now < 1126004076 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: that's fine.. they were temporary < 1126004121 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I should probably comment out the new namespaces, then go back and delete those pages, then add the namespaces again < 1126004125 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be a bit messed up < 1126004296 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I moved them to User:Graue/Old Esoshell/[Brainfuck|Temp|Befunge] < 1126004313 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anybody else think we should have a category for bf-related stuff? currently we have the articles Brainfuck algorithms,BFBASIC, Brainfuck constants, Awib and BF instruction minimalization which would qualify for this cat. < 1126004355 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, all fixed < 1126004375 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: sure, I guess so < 1126004442 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're starting to get a lot of categories, but I think that's a good thing < 1126004631 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anybody know how to link to a category page? < 1126004641 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[:Category:Whatever]] < 1126004659 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1126004756 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the brainfuck article should link to [[Category:Brainfuck]], since it's in that category, so there's already a link to it < 1126004773 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and [[Category:Brainfuck derivatives]] can easily be found within the Brainfuck category < 1126004786 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why not. the category links are hidden down at the bottom and not very visible < 1126004901 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's only because of the improper choice of theme and/or useragent < 1126004914 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1126004968 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1126004979 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(EsoShell (lilly.csoft.net)) < 1126005002 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it thinks my host/ip/etc are the same as the server the applet is running on < 1126005015 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on->from < 1126005141 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: you essentially have a complaint against where the categories are displayed in the monobook theme < 1126005155 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, it makes more semantic sense to find a category from the link at the bottom than from a "see also" < 1126005158 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see. are they more visible in the default theme? < 1126005194 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1126005250 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think it is nice to have it listed in See Also. < 1126005263 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you can put a brief description next ot the link as well < 1126005301 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's to describe? it's the Brainfuck category! < 1126005333 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :added some descriptions :) < 1126005373 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just thinking about occasional visitors which might not be familiar with mediawiki and the category concept < 1126005421 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dang, you're fast to correct errors ;) < 1126005522 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should have a help page or something for people to get familiar with the category concept < 1126005543 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, how many esolang enthusiasts are really not going to have used wikipedia? < 1126005555 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're probably right. < 1126005591 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I like to think that sometimes people who are not (yet) enthusiasts comes by :) < 1126005607 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, esoshell is now running at 127.0.0.1 < 1126005617 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. isn't that helpful? < 1126005628 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? that's my IP! get out of my computer!!!! < 1126005677 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: trying to get you your ip's.. not having great luck with it tho :) < 1126005730 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't the python script simply get it from the request? or are you doing it in the applet? < 1126005792 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, maybe. < 1126006049 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: what's the point of this page: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/?? < 1126006082 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. does that link work at all? contains two korean chars < 1126006104 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "main page" in Korean < 1126006114 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and was an attempt to wedge two wikis into the same place < 1126006120 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1126006164 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if following wikipedia's example and having kr.esoteric.voxelperfect.net wouldn't be a better idea < 1126006177 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1126006177 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would probably be a pain to set up < 1126006200 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is there really a need for it? doesn't seem like any of the koreans have even bothered to edit this main page < 1126006270 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just a test; they weren't expected to < 1126006623 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff compiled with awib won't seem to run under OpenBSD's linux compatibility layer < 1126006653 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get "Operation not permitted" and then if I use "elf2olf -o linux awib" I get "Cannot allocate memory" < 1126006681 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad :( < 1126006758 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! :) < 1126006767 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should port it to BSD then ;) < 1126006770 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: good idea with python.. got it :) < 1126006906 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's nice. < 1126006920 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting it to log in as a user next? < 1126006962 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not tonight.. it'll be a major pain < 1126006967 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1126006996 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http post is horrible..even if one little thing is off it won't send the data < 1126007025 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OT: does anyone know of a nice graph generating script for PHP? < 1126007069 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like: I give it a set of dates and related numbers, and it plots a nice chart for me < 1126007213 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: no idea, sorry < 1126007226 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe #web ? < 1126007228 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF2C.c is stupid < 1126007232 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't check for EOF < 1126007243 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tried searching a bit but I get so extremely many results, and no idea which are good < 1126007261 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when EOF occurs, the program just gets some random wrapped value based on whatever EOF is implemented as < 1126007261 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: no I mean the channel #web < 1126007279 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. perhaps I'll try that. thanks < 1126007356 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I need to go to bed < 1126007365 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun :) < 1126007367 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what time is it where you are? < 1126007375 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost 4am < 1126007397 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. good night :) < 1126007400 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1126007483 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: the Malbolge article is the 4th most popular article on the wiki (behind Main Page, Language List, and brainfuck) < 1126007776 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1126007804 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more people should read about 1L < 1126007981 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more OT: today's Irregular Web Comic is hilarious: http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/cgi-bin/comic.pl?comic=954 < 1126008179 0 :Aardwolf!n=neusring@dD57653CA.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1126008187 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, lots of changes today < 1126008202 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1126008250 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is EsoShell? Is it a sort of tool that will be on the wiki? < 1126008278 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lilly.csoft.net/~jeffryj/EsoShell/ < 1126008293 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a java-applet unix-like console with esolang implementations < 1126008435 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see. Will it come on the wiki? It looks to me like there's a lot of testing going on < 1126008449 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will hopefully be included in the wiki < 1126008456 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses the wiki as it's file system < 1126008482 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see < 1126008598 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf wiki:EsoShell.b :) < 1126009267 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EsoShell needs some 1L support if it's gonna really take off < 1126014117 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1126014117 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1126014117 0 :ZeroOne!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1126014119 0 :CXII!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1126014120 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1126014124 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1126014124 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1126014130 0 :graue!i=graue@ip68-100-130-21.dc.dc.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1126014130 0 :kipple!n=kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1126014130 0 :CXII!n=Sanity@dialup-216.88.221.203.acc50-kent-syd.comindico.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1126014130 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@61.247.128.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1126014130 0 :cpressey!i=nobody@d154-20-76-195.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1126014130 0 :pgimeno!i=pgimeno@124.Red-80-59-211.pooles.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1126014130 0 :ZeroOne!n=vsaalo@kekkonen.cs.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1126022166 0 :jix!i=jix@p5489FF87.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1126023152 0 :sp3tt!n=chatzill@cust-148-133.elhandel.umeaenergi.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1126024429 0 :Keymaker!n=a@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1126024566 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1126024580 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally had time to optimize the current quine work < 1126024612 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it to 1214, which is almost 300 bytes larger than my current record < 1126024634 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably i should do some other bf stuff for a chance, like i months ago thought < 1126024642 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*change < 1126024665 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, been very busy.. that'll ease in a month though.. < 1126025688 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker, will you post a few quines on the wiki as examples? < 1126025968 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, other people have done a lot shorter than mine.. < 1126027270 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways.. must go. < 1126027276 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1126028293 0 :grim_!n=grim@213-152-53-111.dsl.eclipse.net.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1126028315 0 :grim_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lo all < 1126028359 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moin grim_ < 1126034565 0 :naughty_Alice!i=alice@70-56-211-149.albq.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1126035163 0 :grim_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :grimhome < 1126035338 0 :xyzz1!n=Internet@cup-ip-nas-1-p111.telkom-ipnet.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1126037633 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1126038592 0 :xyzz1!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1126040067 0 :wildhalcyon!n=700af741@216.154.205.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1126041507 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1126043763 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1126044533 0 :calamari!n=Kid@cb03.cs.arizona.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1126044597 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1126045678 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :¡Hola señor squid! < 1126045697 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(He responds, 20 minutes later) < 1126046079 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi GregorR < 1126046145 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was suggested that 1L be implemented in EsoShell < 1126046166 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking at the 1L page, but there are two variants.. which is the active branch? < 1126046994 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. the bf interpreter seems to be broken.. < 1126047340 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe its this Java.. everything seems to be melting down and it was fine at home < 1126047585 0 :grimhome!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :grim_ < 1126047669 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, 1.5 code seems to have slipped in again < 1126047970 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reapears.
< 1126047977 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue's is the "true" 1L < 1126047982 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1L_a I think he called it. < 1126048045 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't reapear btw, I reappeared :-P < 1126048085 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? :) < 1126048104 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't spell :P < 1126048121 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.. I didn't even see your first line.. lol < 1126048177 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it bothers me that those Java exceptions weren't being thrown to the EsoShell console.. I thought I'd set it up so they would be < 1126048186 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(adds it to the TODO list) < 1126048258 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wasn't proper IRC emoting :P < 1126048295 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been on irc since 1993.. it's been in use at least that long ;) < 1126048443 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back then I used undernet, because it was the only one I could connect to via gopher < 1126049956 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone made a 2D language with a preprocessor? < 1126050118 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1126050700 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: it shouldn't be overly difficult to port 1L to EsoShell. I've put the API and source files on http://esoshell.kidsquid.com/ You can run Application.class directly to make it easier to debug things < 1126050771 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd do it, but I'm wondering about my documentation, etc.. is it good enough? If it isn't, then I'd like to know so I can improve it < 1126050822 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I can't actually run EsoShell so far as I know < 1126050873 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? why not? < 1126050916 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it work with gcj 3.4 and/or kaffe 1.0.6? < 1126050934 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could try, I guess < 1126050961 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure, but if it doesn't let me know so I can fix it < 1126051109 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew.. lots of errors in gcj 3.3.3, but maybe I just don't know what I'm doing with it