< 1127693391 0 :Wildhalcyon!n=chatzill@216.154.205.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1127693399 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey all < 1127693404 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1127693421 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, what a horrible weekend. Did I miss anything fun? < 1127693431 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know. been away < 1127693481 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like fun < 1127693492 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1127693536 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1127693581 0 :Wildhalcyon!n=chatzill@216.154.205.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1127696019 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :W: is there a standard file extension for glypho files? < 1127699104 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KIPPLE, ASCII, PROBABLY < 1127699112 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ack, sorry bout the caps < 1127699124 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good ol' text < 1127699146 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant: do you call them hello.g, hello.glypho or something else? < 1127699169 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I've rewritten my kipple-interpreter to a Glypho shorthand interpreter < 1127699200 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool kipple - haven't come up with an extension yet < 1127699226 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.gly probably - then a lot of files will be named "u.gly" < 1127699233 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1127699261 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, you need to extensions. one for proper glypho and one for shorthand < 1127699282 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.gsh for shorthand I guess < 1127699316 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im sorry my C interpreter isn't out yet. Been kind of pressed for time, work & study < 1127699348 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :np. didn't take long to convert my kipple interpreter < 1127699412 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's good. Kipple uses stacks? < 1127699416 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1127699460 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im sorry, been a while since I looked at the spec < 1127699480 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked the language. Its got good flavor < 1127699624 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : what happens when you reverse instruction flow? are < and > inverted? < 1127699709 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As of right now, I think its ready to be symbolic reversal, and we'll just see what happens ;-) < 1127699740 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what you mean... < 1127699777 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take the underlying symbols of each instruction and reverse them, as well as reversing the instruction flow < 1127699798 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. so < and > are not inverted then? < 1127699815 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but [ and ] has to be inverted at least, no? < 1127699882 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, < and > are, as are [ and ], i and o, and ! and 1 < 1127699887 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest are the same < 1127699927 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. this complicates the interpreter a lot ;) < 1127699954 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I'm working with shorthand and not the patterns < 1127700024 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the nice thing is that you dont NEED to know the patterns < 1127700039 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just know that those four sets are reversals, while the other seven instructions stay the same < 1127700044 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1127700057 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a boolean "is_reverse" value, and if its true, swap the instruction tables < 1127700074 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's what I'm doing < 1127700086 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess "a lot" was a bit of an overstatement < 1127700097 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1127700114 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be honest, Im not certain its a really useful instruction. I just.. didnt know what else to do with it < 1127700133 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be a lot of fun < 1127700136 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think.... < 1127700277 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im actually finding it difficult to code with... < 1127700299 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. but that can be agood thing :) < 1127700321 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose so < 1127700322 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a working program using it? < 1127700361 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original reason I introduced the instruction was to let the program end... early, by reeversing to the beginning < 1127700368 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have one yet, no < 1127700390 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. I'll write one then. need to test that the interpreter works < 1127700428 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ! is the opposite of 1 and not +? < 1127700439 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes,exactly. < 1127700523 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and + is not the opposite of - < 1127701037 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please, bring me up to date. < 1127701058 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION brings GregorR up to date
< 1127701077 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you! < 1127701082 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was quick and painless! < 1127701141 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you missed a lot < 1127701146 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :W: you're right that r is hard to program with < 1127701154 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :told you!!! < 1127701186 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn. < 1127701188 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly. < 1127701228 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best thing I could come up with was: 111[!r+1] which doesn't really do mch < 1127701230 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much < 1127701246 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1127701334 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure that one works? I get an empty stack exception < 1127701403 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1127701548 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how that loop can ever terminate. It will just empty the stack, and then crash < 1127701681 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't.. remember, you need to reverse instruction flow during reverse too < 1127701859 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, if you "unfold" it without the reverse symbol, you should get 111!1!++1!1!++1!1!++... hmm, no, you're right < 1127701867 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it eventually gets stuck < 1127701887 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... what would I do without reverse. I'd have 14 instructions! I'd.. be screwed < 1127701907 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r == rand? < 1127701927 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION loathes himself for his lack of certainty
< 1127701937 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I understand it the second + will try to add with only one number on the stack < 1127701967 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r might still be useful. just don't know how :) < 1127702073 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :random is also a useful instruction < 1127702410 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, and in some cases much valued, but... is it right for glypho? I don't see how reverse can POSSIBLY be useful without doing something useful itself < 1127702570 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm off to bed now. let me know if you make a decision :) < 1127702583 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'night kipple < 1127702659 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well crap < 1127702687 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap? what? < 1127704625 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1127704820 0 :GregorR!n=chatzill@198.107.20.174 JOIN :#esoteric < 1127706549 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1127708403 0 :Arrogant!i=Arrogant@110.orlando-06-08rs.fl.dial-access.att.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1127710721 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1127710822 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@61.247.128.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1127712374 0 :Wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1127712384 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-" < 1127712827 0 :GregorR!n=chatzill@198.107.20.174 JOIN :#esoteric < 1127721599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1127721600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1127732153 0 :Aardwolf!n=neusring@kotnet-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1127736854 0 :kipple!n=kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1127742494 0 :{^Raven^}!n=Ravenswo@82-38-204-252.cable.ubr05.shef.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1127750540 0 :nooga!i=nooga@ip-50.net-41.rev.inter-c.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1127750545 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1127751090 0 :jix!i=jix@F32fb.f.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1127751498 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi jix < 1127751561 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moin < 1127752447 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1127753300 0 :J|x!i=jix@F30b5.f.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1127754129 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1127754607 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1127756482 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1127757544 0 :J|x!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :jix < 1127757546 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1127757684 0 :kipple!n=kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1127759497 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1127759890 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1127759944 0 :fungebob!n=chatzill@67.106.148.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1127763811 0 :fungebob!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1127766460 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1127767147 0 :lindi-!n=lindi@kulho150.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1127769564 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1127770327 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1127772191 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1127775110 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.expertrating.com/jobs/Programming-jobs/Befunge-Programmer-jobs.asp < 1127775150 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1127775183 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, that automatic page generator is stuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuupide < 1127775190 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So stupid it makes me spell stupid as stupide. < 1127775424 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have INTERCAL too: http://www.expertrating.com/jobs/Programming-jobs/Intercal-Programmer-jobs.asp :D < 1127775529 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol] < 1127775540 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no bf :( < 1127775574 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor kipple ;) < 1127775580 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo < 1127775693 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<300-foot-high-letters>WTF < 1127775713 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. getting such a nice looking certificate would almost be worth the $10 just for the humor value < 1127775742 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a certified Befunge programmer! < 1127775746 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1127775748 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1127775793 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This site is US friendly - Hosted in the US - Payments in US Dollars - Payments received in the US through a US based payment processor <--- yeah duh who else would use such spammy looking site :p < 1127775870 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is located in the UK though < 1127775877 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm lol < 1127775937 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gonna take the free Computer Skills Test
< 1127775969 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is too lazy to fill in the email adress form so won't take the test anyway
< 1127777828 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, you're too lazy to type an email address so you're not going to take the test, how could you possibly have filled out that entire test form? < 1127777905 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point, but yeah I'm always too lazy to fill in email forms, I mean all those stupid sites requiring you to make an account to take 1 dumb test < 1127777906 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since he wasn't too lazy to write a whole sentence about it here, I assume his email address is extremely long < 1127777956 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just keep around an account for that purpose < 1127777977 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to make a new one each time < 1127778009 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardwolf's email address: IAmAardwolfTheProgrammerOfEsotericLanguagesAndPerpetratorOfEmailsTooLongToRemember4546327859623793465789436257043265798042365783274803265704999036254789032430548903254321754089325748902564891065419078654890175489027503891754890237@server5435432.pop3.mail.aardwolfswebsiteaboutnothinginparticular.com < 1127778069 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. what characters are allowed in email addresses? can one use stuff like +, < or ] ? < 1127778081 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it's alphanumeric + _ < 1127778084 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think even - is illegal. < 1127778092 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait, I've seen +s ... < 1127778092 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1127778108 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I know .s are OK :-P < 1127778114 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I have no clue, why am I talking? < 1127778184 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we need a BF variant that uses alphanumeric characters instead of +, <, ] and so on < 1127778332 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have one: PlusPlusLessthansymbolLeftbracket < 1127778336 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1127778349 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 chars max... < 1127778355 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awwwww :( < 1127778418 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1127778437 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :allowed chars are alphanumeric plus !#$%&'*+-/=?^_`{}|~ (according to rfc2822) < 1127778472 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many email addresses have a . in them < 1127778483 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, plus that one :) < 1127778488 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1127778607 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to create an address +++ at my domain provider, but it didn't work :( < 1127778730 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. I managed to create the address .@krokodille.com. I wonder if it will work....