01:40:22 -!- WildHalcyon has joined. 01:46:22 * WildHalcyon curses a lot 02:07:52 That interview I had was a complete sham. I feel like a moron. 02:52:05 Why's that? 02:52:53 * GregorR should look at timestamps before responding ... 02:54:25 -!- graue has joined. 02:54:56 -!- graue has quit (Client Quit). 03:00:53 -!- WildHalcyon has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 03:03:49 completed new conditional jump... now i am going to write 99Bob in Udage 03:12:21 -!- pgimeno has joined. 03:16:48 -!- kipple has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 03:30:46 -!- cmeme has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 03:31:44 -!- cmeme has joined. 04:29:15 -!- WildHalcyon has joined. 04:35:49 -!- WildHalcyon_ has joined. 04:36:35 hey all 04:36:59 Hey WildHalcyon 04:37:03 How goesith? 04:37:49 I had a supremely awful job interview today 04:37:57 I have been in the process of looking for new employment 04:38:27 How was it awful? 04:38:39 ... ever heard of Amway? 04:39:18 Yeah, not sure exactly what they do. 04:39:57 its a pyramid scheme. Technically, a "legal" pyramid scheme. More to the point though, its complete bullshit 04:40:07 lol, OK :P 04:40:13 sorry 04:40:19 If you said that in a job interview, that may be why it went badly ;) 04:40:35 Im still a little angry. No, I was very polite in the interview. 04:44:24 So? 04:44:26 What went wrong? 04:44:54 The fact that it was a sham interview. I was hoping for a real business, and maybe a real job. 04:45:16 Ahhh. 04:45:27 I figured you might know what they were when you went in :P 04:46:36 I had no clue, to be honest. My efforts to research the 'company' didnt really google anything conclusive, except that they might be accountants. They're not, btw. 04:47:41 lol 04:47:52 The official site makes it look like they're an advertizing firm. 04:48:51 But I see now how "multi-level marketing" can easily mean "pyramid scheme" 04:49:37 Well, this was before I had any idea thatthe folks I met with were connected with Amyway. 04:49:44 I had a last name to go on, and that was it 04:50:04 Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 04:51:14 Im familiar with the company and "multi-level marketing" associated with it 04:51:39 I love, by the way, how it's essentially named "The American Way!" 04:54:52 I know, very kooky 04:55:27 -!- WildHalcyon has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 05:00:07 -!- calamari has joined. 05:00:42 hi 05:01:21 hi 05:01:43 how's it going? haven't been keeping up with the channel lately 05:02:04 Have you seen Gs30ng's latest Udage developments? 05:02:28 Which reminds me: Up for vote, Udaglane (Udage + Plane) as a good name for a 2-dimensional Udage I'm stewing? 05:02:53 too long 05:03:01 what about ulane 05:03:03 or udane 05:03:29 Udaglane (8 chars) is too long, and brainfuck (9 chars) isn't? 05:03:51 is there already a twodage? or tuodage? 05:03:58 Too obvious. 05:04:09 lol 05:04:12 That's what they /want/ me to name it! 05:04:27 Hey gs30, sorry Ive been researching my fraudulent company some more 05:04:29 Besides, Udaglane just sounds nice. 05:04:51 a 2D udage Gregor??? Are you insane? 05:04:55 The world ain't ready yet! 05:04:58 lol 05:05:00 For images. 05:05:03 XD 05:06:49 hmm... Udaglane. for me it sounds like something flies... i guess my brain worked like udage(uda) + glider(gl) + airplane(ane) 05:06:55 I stand by my "world ain't ready yet" comment. Then again, was the world ready for brainfuck? or intercal? 05:07:38 2D udage... 2D glypho could be easy but 2D udage is... well... 05:09:17 shit my client program lacks 05:09:24 i mean, stops 05:14:26 I've already been working on 2D glypho. Trying to determine the minimum number of symbols necessary. At first I thought 16, but I think only 8... 05:16:08 fundamental concept of udage includes regarding source code as linear; it even regards EOL as one udage, and repeating udages in row does something special... i don't think 2D udage is kinda easy nor successful... 05:16:54 maybe i can make Image Udage (Umage?) with ignoring 'newline's in image 05:18:04 not really. images don't have "newlines", they're generally organized as a linear array divided into chunks for each row 05:21:21 well i'm mentioning theoretical image to be source code of udage, not actual ways of image 05:21:47 for example i think i can't use JPEG file as source code of udage 05:22:26 (according to jpeg spec afaik) 05:24:14 because of the 8-by-8 DCT? 05:30:09 probably 05:31:08 i don't really know what's the 8-by-8 DCT, but it sounds like what i know... so probably that 05:35:38 8-by-8 Discrete Cosine Transform 05:36:00 although I think jpegs use RLE after that... 05:53:06 -!- sekhmet has quit ("reboot"). 05:53:27 oh shucks 05:53:39 Udage wiki doesn't work in IE 05:54:12 YAAAAAAAAAY! 05:54:15 * GregorR dances. 05:54:19 the whole page is being not opened 05:54:23 Suffffffeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrr, stupid IE users! 05:54:29 rofl 05:54:29 Sufffffffffffffffferrrrrrrrrrrrr, stupid IE users!!! 05:55:01 in korea we should IE 05:55:03 damn it 05:55:50 -!- calamari has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 05:56:14 internet lectures which government services uses activex 05:56:59 -!- sekhmet has joined. 05:57:40 anyway i gotta fix this 05:57:50 Hello grey-haired woman! 06:00:37 now i wonder: 06:00:48 is Udage Turing-complete? 06:02:06 hmm 06:02:09 never mind 06:02:25 it's obviously Turing-complete 06:02:39 since it's like Boolfuck 06:02:54 A -> @ 06:03:00 AABC -> <, > 06:03:10 AAAB...A -> [, ] 06:04:22 lol 06:09:42 -!- Robdgreat has joined. 06:09:48 well now it seems TOO like boolfuck 06:10:18 Just because you can make a one-to-one translation doesn't mean it's too similar. 06:11:05 I mean, Udage is all operands, Boolfuck is all operators. 06:11:11 that's right... 06:11:31 but i just want more 'new' things 06:12:11 btw, is Udage all operands? 06:12:25 Heheh 06:12:33 Some would say yes, some would say no. 06:12:38 It's debatable. 06:12:46 yeah.. 06:13:02 but there's real operands 06:13:11 Yeah 06:13:16 -!- cmeme has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 06:13:17 like BC in AABC, B... in AAAB...A 06:13:31 And A in A ;) 06:13:42 hmm... 06:13:44 hm.... 06:13:50 aha i got it 06:14:17 A could be an operand. that's something to take a look... 06:14:22 -!- WildHalcyon_ has quit ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5.1 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050915]"). 06:14:36 Hmm? 06:14:55 A is the key to start BVChanging operantion, but also operand of that operation 06:15:24 the operation gets A as argument and changes BV of A. that's right... 06:15:33 Yes ... 06:15:49 So the only disputable parts are AA, AAA and AAAA 06:16:00 yeah 06:16:09 I should have just said regex A* :P 06:16:29 N/M, that would have matched "" and "A" XD 06:16:32 AA+ 06:18:42 it seems 4 udages in row are not operand but instruction 06:19:37 You're teetering on the edge of 0 instructions and infinite instructions XD 06:21:11 lol that's true 06:21:31 wait it's not infinite it's up to the number of symbols available 06:21:53 True 06:21:57 x4 06:22:05 -!- cmeme has joined. 06:37:30 ok then... seems Udage is Turing tarpit 06:50:33 -!- nooga has joined. 06:50:40 hi :D 06:51:06 Hola 06:53:18 yesterday i saw a real radiotelescope :D 06:53:46 Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah 06:53:53 http://www.astro.uni.torun.pl/index.html :> 06:54:25 and i know how to destroy such things :> 06:54:46 and i know how is the computer network built there 06:57:17 antenna movement is controled by old 486 with dos aboard, there's HPUX in a control terminal, and every other computer there runs on Fedora Core 2 :D 06:59:47 interesting 07:01:46 and data channel is a 2Gbit fiber-optic connection with the rest of radiotelescopes and computing facilities in the world :> 07:01:53 -!- calamari has joined. 07:06:18 G'day 07:06:31 i got thirsty 07:06:40 somebody DCC send me something to drink 07:07:59 damn, i must build a small radiotelescope in my backyard ! 07:08:38 do it 07:08:39 nooga: that'd be cool.. but how? :) 07:09:52 must contact with that guys from Piwnice radioastronomy centre :> 07:10:23 Hmm 07:10:28 I'll send Gs30ng a Moxie 07:10:38 /dcc-send Gs30ng Moxie 07:11:10 first i need some grid and a detector :> 07:11:16 ok transferring now 07:11:34 oh it's kinda big 07:16:03 reminds me of a pdf I have of a document made during the cold war, on how to build a radiation exposure meter using household materials 07:18:17 :D 07:21:58 -!- Gs30ng has quit ("정의는 죽었다!"). 07:22:42 -!- Gs30ng has joined. 07:32:36 -!- cmeme has quit (Connection timed out). 07:33:15 -!- cmeme has joined. 07:33:57 -!- fizzie has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 07:34:33 -!- fizzie has joined. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:21:08 -!- nooga has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 08:26:25 -!- Robdgreat has changed nick to Robdgre[a]t. 08:34:33 -!- nooga has joined. 08:52:35 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 09:24:02 -!- nooga has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 09:35:50 -!- calamari has joined. 10:13:00 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 10:26:28 -!- puzzlet has joined. 11:50:58 -!- CXI has joined. 13:15:06 -!- jix has joined. 13:38:40 -!- kipple has joined. 15:27:30 -!- WildHalcyon has joined. 15:27:33 -!- nooga has joined. 15:27:39 hi 15:27:49 hey nooga 15:28:19 hi 15:28:30 -!- Robdgre[a]t has changed nick to Robdgreat. 15:28:53 i wonder when i'll meet tokigun -.-' 15:29:44 the wiki is down again :( 15:30:29 Shucks 15:36:21 hah 15:37:35 wildhalcyon: do you have a direct link to the glypho spec? can't find it without the wiki... 15:37:54 http://www4.ncsu.edu/~bcthomp2/glypho.txt 15:38:00 thanks 15:39:20 glad to be of service 15:42:36 got fast connection and speakers? 15:42:44 check this out: http://www.webfeatsdesign.com/wf5/v5f.html 15:48:50 "This site optimized for OC connections" 15:52:00 Owhat conections/ 15:52:01 ? 15:55:52 or, "This site optimized for T1" 15:57:12 so what :> 15:57:14 ? 15:57:59 I wish I were on a t1 15:58:19 i am i guess 15:58:26 cuz it works good for me 15:59:10 well I"m on a 256k connection. 15:59:17 if I were on anything faster it'd be fine 15:59:22 God help those on dialup. 16:02:08 -!- Gs30ng has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 16:02:43 -!- Gs30ng has joined. 16:40:27 -!- WildHalcyon has quit ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5.1 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050915]"). 16:50:15 -!- nooga has changed nick to Freya. 16:50:22 oops :) 16:50:25 nick nooga 16:50:27 -!- Freya has changed nick to nooga. 16:50:31 damnit -.-' 17:44:47 -!- cmeme has quit (Connection timed out). 17:47:11 nooga: the site (webfeats...) is bad 17:48:05 if i want to get from one page to the next one i have to wait longer than 10 secs.. no site should ever take longer to load.. some studies showed that most users get bored after 10secs loading time 17:48:16 -!- cmeme has joined. 17:48:33 and that's true for me... i usually press cancle after 10 secs (except when the content of the site is really important for me (wikipedia)) 17:48:59 I agree. a ton of flash animations between pages is bloody annoying 17:49:47 and a really bad thing (that should be banned from the internet) are websites that play sounds without asking the user 17:50:20 my loudspeaker volume was very high when i opened the site... WHOOOOOM... :( 17:50:32 I think that's a problem of the web browsers really. They should have a volume control built in 17:50:50 websites shouldn't play sounds at all 17:51:15 i want to listen to music while i'm reading webpages 17:51:20 me too 17:51:22 or play guitar 18:10:31 -!- {^Raven^} has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 18:14:04 but 18:14:07 the intro!!! 18:14:19 it's genious :) 18:14:29 btw. i play guitar too :) 18:15:28 me too :) 18:15:34 np: America - Sandman [ History - America's Greatest Hits ] 18:18:11 np: ? 18:18:19 "now playing" 18:18:23 a 18:18:34 on guitar 18:18:38 np. in polish == ie. in english 18:19:21 i play blues ;p 18:19:30 and rock 18:19:56 i play punk, rock and metal 18:20:03 :> 18:20:16 what guitar have you got ? 18:20:18 but i like blues too 18:20:26 * kipple plays badly 18:20:33 my e-guitar is a cheap yamaha guitar (/me has no money) 18:21:00 and my acoustic... need to check that... i just tried some at the shop... 18:21:11 /away 18:21:15 hm 18:21:26 i've got electric Cort-X11 18:21:48 I've got a japanese Fender Stratocaster 18:21:55 and acoustic no-name chinesee guitar calles "Azalea" :D 18:22:00 called* 18:22:09 kipple: stratocaster o.O ? 18:22:20 what does o.O mean? 18:22:48 o.O is an emoticon with big eyes 18:22:55 aha :) 18:22:56 and small mouth :> 18:23:08 saying: "oh?!" 18:23:15 or "huh?!" 18:28:58 -!- cmeme has quit (Connection timed out). 18:30:17 -!- cmeme has joined. 18:43:07 -!- graue has joined. 18:46:02 -!- graue has quit (Remote closed the connection). 18:49:37 -!- cmeme has quit (Connection timed out). 18:53:42 -!- cmeme has joined. 18:55:50 -!- heatsink has joined. 19:17:24 -!- cmeme has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 19:18:24 -!- cmeme has joined. 19:56:02 -!- nooga has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 20:01:40 -!- CXI has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)). 20:03:24 -!- CXI has joined. 20:32:43 -!- CXI has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 20:34:10 -!- CXI has joined. 21:03:55 -!- ihope has joined. 21:04:10 Any non-lurkers about? 21:04:20 a few 21:04:27 :-) 21:04:46 -!- puzzlet has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 21:04:56 EsoS has been scrapped and now I'm thinking about Felidae EsoKernel. 21:05:38 EsoS? 21:05:49 Esoteric operating system. 21:08:20 -!- puzzlet has joined. 21:08:56 what's the Feildae EsoKernel then? 21:09:48 Well, it's pretty much a very simple operating system written in Brainfuck. 21:10:08 So it, presumably, does not run on real hardware. 21:10:27 Right; it'd all have to be emulated. 21:11:01 Unless, of course, somebody will donate such a server specifically for running Felidae. 21:11:24 i want a fpga with internal or external arm cpu, soldered, with large pins for adding other hw 21:12:04 (fpga is field programmable gate array) 21:12:07 /dcc-send jix FPGA-56480ARM5V.6 21:12:22 Hmm, I looked that up right before you said that :-) 21:12:29 arm5? 21:12:39 Um, yes that sounds very cool. FPGA >:-) 21:12:49 Were you looking for XScale? :P 21:12:56 XScale? 21:13:10 ah intels strongarm... 21:13:22 is it binary compatible to the arm7? 21:13:31 The XScale is. 21:13:41 than xscale is ok 21:13:50 (i once learned arm7tdmi asm) 21:13:54 /dcc-send jix FPGA-56480XSCALE 21:14:37 Hey, I haven't yet figured out what ARM is! :-) 21:14:52 Advanced Risc Machines 21:15:13 Acorn RISC Machine? 21:15:31 the first arm chip was from acorn as was called Acorn RISC Machine afaik 21:16:13 but acorn went bankrupt 21:16:35 wow 21:16:52 the arm chip was developed for computers but now they are used in many mobile phones or other embedded devices 21:17:18 (gba,nintendo ds,ipod,gp2x,....) 21:17:21 it has an exceptionally good performance per watt 21:17:52 "Macintel" eh? 21:17:58 Macintel? 21:18:19 the gp2x needs 2 AA batteries and runs 8h in video mode (and has 2x200mhz arm cpus) 21:18:22 Porting of Mac OS X to the x86 architecture 21:18:28 has nothing todo with arm 21:18:43 Supposedly it was done for performance-per-watt stuff, I think. 21:19:23 and there wasn't much porting... the darwin kernel was already multi platform and the higher level parts are OS independent... only some drivers and libs needed/need porting 21:19:58 they say they did it because IBM wasn't able to deliver enough ppc g5 chips 21:20:15 :-) 21:20:46 I thought it was to enter the x86 market with a nice commercial operating system... 21:21:08 no.. apple makes no money with software... they make money with hw 21:21:23 Apple will not sell an OS that runs on generic Intel machines. 21:21:35 GregorR: but it does 21:21:39 They will still be Apples, just Apples with Intel chips. 21:21:53 jix: ... no it doesn't ... 21:21:55 some people i know run the beta even on amd machines... 21:22:04 Read: sell 21:22:09 There's a beta? 21:22:12 The beta was leaked, and was for testing purposes only. 21:22:17 i know 21:22:20 The release is not going to run on generic machines. 21:22:28 Why not? 21:22:42 ihope: because no one will buy expensive apple hw then 21:22:59 GregorR: i think the final version will be cracked too 21:23:05 Well, certainly *shrugs* 21:23:21 but i'm still going to use apple hw 21:23:23 They have plenty of other stuff... 21:23:36 ihope: ipod.. and? 21:23:53 Um. Mini and nano :-) 21:23:55 Stupid one-button mice :P 21:24:07 GregorR: the mighty mouse is 2 button! 21:24:10 They're making a five-button aren't they? 21:24:15 The mighty mouse? 21:24:18 OK, stupid two-button mice - still not three ;) 21:24:29 Isn't it five? 21:24:31 I couldn't use a computer without my precious middle button. 21:24:40 GregorR: 2 button + 2d scroll wheel that is clickable and it has an extra squeeze button 21:24:47 ihope: Wouldn't it be quite un-apple to make a five button? 21:24:51 Hmm 21:25:06 GregorR: i'm using a m$ mouse on my apple 21:25:12 I' 21:25:13 lol 21:25:15 can't work without 2 button 21:25:21 I'm using a tablet thinger. 21:25:37 have to sleep now 21:25:51 gn8 21:25:52 -!- jix has quit ("Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht"). 21:26:06 "Mighty Mouse is an animated superhero"... do you think I have the wrong page? 21:26:17 lol 21:26:32 It's probably still the front page of www.apple.com 21:27:31 That's the iPod Nano. 21:28:15 Oh, right, they made a new posterboy 21:31:03 ...Okay. This is #esoteric, aye? :-) 21:32:00 Yes? 21:32:45 Shouldn't we keep it that way, or at least near to it? 21:33:00 Umm, yes? 21:34:43 Okay. Maybe I'll annoy you with Felidae ;-) 21:35:02 That works 8-D 21:36:03 Okay. Felidae is a MMOG based on Brainf*** and stuff. 21:36:44 Errm, is it written in BF? If so, how is it O? 21:37:28 The server would be running BF programs. 21:38:18 Go on 21:39:04 Well, a person would connect to his account via Telnet, and a program would automatically be run to serve him with the game interface and stuff. 21:39:16 Ahh 21:39:20 He'd have to write this himself >:-) 21:41:46 You know, I could do away with EsoKernel and make the user write that him/herself as well. 21:42:51 lol 21:42:58 -!- CXI has quit ("If you're reading this, it's probably xchat's fault."). 21:43:45 "Welcome to Felidae. Please write an operating system in the following space:" 21:44:04 XD 21:45:05 * Gs30ng woke up 21:45:06 -!- graue has joined. 21:45:15 Of course, you could just use any operating system somebody's put out in the ol' pool... 21:45:28 Like a port of Linux into BF. 21:45:36 lol 21:45:49 It would help to make GCC spit out BF first :P 21:45:54 it's AM6 here... i got up so early 21:46:19 Indeed it would. Any volunteers? 21:46:33 Richard M. Stallman doesn't have anything better to do 21:46:36 ask him 21:46:38 lol 21:47:59 Isn't he getting paid to give speeches or something? 21:50:29 server down in which my website is 21:50:46 ihope, he has a grant from the MacArthur Foundation so I doubt he gets paid for speaking (he doesn't need it) 21:50:47 apparently it blacks out when it rains here 21:51:21 -!- CXI has joined. 21:52:39 -!- Gs30ng has left (?). 21:53:40 -!- handongseong has joined. 22:24:26 -!- ihope has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 22:32:20 -!- heatsink has quit ("Leaving"). 22:52:31 -!- CXI has quit (Connection reset by peer). 22:53:32 -!- CXI has joined. 22:56:49 -!- CXI has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 22:57:41 -!- CXI has joined. 23:04:21 -!- CXI has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 23:24:23 -!- CXI has joined. 23:27:20 -!- kipple has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 23:29:07 -!- kipple has joined.