00:00:16 is there any fast compiled language that makes high level things easy? 00:00:34 atm i'm looking at lisp 00:02:15 Hmm, a fast compile language that makes high-level things easy .... 00:02:18 Define "high level" 00:02:36 complex data structures like priority queue hashs ... 00:02:48 C++ 00:02:52 c++ makes it possible without reinventing the wheel but not as easy as i'd like it to b 00:02:53 e 00:05:19 lisp is really nice... 00:05:50 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! TURN AWAY, BEFORE THE POWER OF LISP ENTANGLES YOU))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) 00:06:12 but lisp is cool... 00:13:50 lisp is very cool 00:13:56 almost esoteric ;) 00:14:10 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) 00:15:10 parentheses are no problem because the text editor matches them for me 00:15:42 )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) is always a problem. 00:16:01 no 00:31:24 dhcp = :( 00:32:58 lol 00:33:03 How so? 00:36:05 Scheme's nice. 00:37:12 And I only have a ")))))))))))" in the Glass compiler thing, no longer strings of parens. 00:37:43 i think scheme is nice too but there are better lisp compilers for osx 00:37:44 GregorR: I've tried 3 different dhcp packages and still can't get online 00:38:12 Yukk 00:38:46 hmm.. idea .. afk 00:38:47 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 00:41:26 dhcp suxors 00:41:32 we should all be using IPv6 by now 00:41:56 Yes 00:42:24 I hate the whole dhcp/NAT/etc hacks 00:42:48 all it does is make everything more complex and less reliable 00:43:27 example: here at college, someone plugged in his router wrong and connected the network ports to the campus network. DHCP conflict and took down the whole building network 00:47:19 -!- calamari has joined. 00:49:53 Our campus network uses static IPs (based on physical address), but we still have problems with people more-or-less accidentally setting up dhcp servers giving addresses from 192.168.0.0/16 or the other private blocks. 00:55:24 well, I think I'm actually having a pcmcia problem.. not getting a power light on the card 01:06:19 bah.. I have to give up for today.. gotta do homework 01:07:18 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 01:11:57 -!- ihope has joined. 01:12:15 Now there 01:12:22 's an EgoBot? 01:12:36 Yup. 01:12:43 !help 01:12:46 No repeats. 01:12:48 And it precluded GlassBot, BFBot and EsoBot. 01:12:56 Hm,m I need to fix the repeat detection XD 01:12:57 !blah 01:13:01 !help 01:13:02 help ps kill i eof flush show ls 01:13:05 1l 2l adjust axo befunge bch bf{8,[16],32,64} glass glypho kipple malbolge pbrain rail sadol sceql udage01 01:14:32 F!99 9[1-$][\$@$@$@$@\/*=[1-$$[%\1-$@]?0=[\$.' ,\]?]?]# 01:14:33 97 89 83 79 73 71 67 61 59 53 47 43 41 37 31 29 23 19 17 13 11 7 5 3 2 01:14:38 Cool 01:14:51 And so you go for the one language that /isn't/ in EgoBot :P 01:14:58 argh is it the first 2:14 or the 2nd 2:14 ? 01:14:59 :-) 01:15:22 jix: Trouble with timezones? :P 01:15:40 no but today is WORD_MISSING 01:16:00 daylight saving time switching? 01:16:17 Ahhhhh 01:16:23 Hmm, the first time through I read that as WORLD_MISSING. 01:19:09 F!"Hello, World! 01:19:09 Hello, World! 01:19:11 " 01:19:33 !glass {M[m(_o)O!"Glass is better than False!"(_o)o.?]} 01:19:36 Glass is better than False! 01:20:11 !help 01:20:14 help ps kill i eof flush show ls 01:20:16 1l 2l adjust axo befunge bch bf{8,[16],32,64} glass glypho kipple malbolge pbrain rail sadol sceql udage01 01:20:27 Is it supposed to do that? 01:20:32 Yes. 01:20:45 Oh... 01:22:20 So could I just type something like "!bf+[,.]!Hi" and expect it to work, or is there more to it? 01:22:38 !help i 01:22:41 Use: i Function: send input to a process 01:22:49 !help ps 01:22:52 Use: ps Function: display the current processes 01:23:15 So "!bf+[,.]"? 01:23:23 Yeah 01:23:30 That'll start a proc, then !i 1 Hi!\n 01:23:35 !bf+[,.] 01:23:45 Oh, you do need a space ;) 01:23:56 ...What? 01:24:00 Oh 01:24:05 !bf +[,.] 01:24:12 !ps 01:24:15 1 ihope: bf 01:24:17 2 GregorR: ps 01:24:27 !i 1 See, it works!\n 01:24:31 See, it works! 01:24:33 !i 1 Hi!\n 01:24:53 Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 01:24:58 !ps 01:25:01 1 ihope: bf 01:25:02 2 GregorR: ps 01:25:07 I got a private message thinger... 01:25:13 Oh, heheh 01:25:18 It'll only send one line to the chan ;) 01:25:27 :-) 01:25:49 Is there a Lazy K-type botter thing? 01:25:54 !kill 1 01:25:56 Process 1 killed. 01:26:02 * GregorR tries to remember whether he put lazy k in EgoBot ... 01:26:04 !help 01:26:06 help ps kill i eof flush show ls 01:26:08 1l 2l adjust axo befunge bch bf{8,[16],32,64} glass glypho kipple malbolge pbrain rail sadol sceql udage01 01:26:28 Hmm, thought I did :P 01:26:31 Guess not. 01:26:40 What's a good interpreter, I can add it in a jiffy. 01:26:47 Hmm, no Iota, no Jot, no Unlambda ;-) 01:27:09 All can be added with suggestions of good interpreters. 01:27:14 Hmm... 01:27:58 Seems there's some stuff at http://esoteric.sange.fi/essie2/download/lazy-k/ 01:28:02 :-) 01:28:14 nobody programs in lazyk though 01:28:32 Really? 01:29:00 Oh wait, that's right. I tried to add lazyk, but the interp had issues. 01:29:09 What kind of issues? 01:29:26 Well, it wouldn't out its results, for one. 01:29:28 For some reason. 01:29:40 Hmm... 01:29:50 !lazyk http://esoteric.sange.fi/essie2/download/lazy-k/eg/fib.lazy 01:29:56 !ps 01:29:56 01:30:17 !kill 1 01:30:19 !flush 01:30:27 OK, n/m, it works :P 01:30:36 Does it? 01:30:43 Yeah, that was PM'ing me. 01:30:58 !lazyk http://esoteric.sange.fi/essie2/download/lazy-k/eg/fib.lazy 01:31:03 01:31:22 !kill 1 01:31:33 what does flush do? 01:31:33 Also, that takes up all my CPU :-P 01:31:39 :-) 01:31:43 It gets rid of pending output. 01:31:44 -!- EgoBot has quit (Excess Flood). 01:31:53 And makes it not do that ;) 01:32:09 ...What'd it do? 01:32:25 (Excess Flood) 01:33:19 -!- EgoBot has joined. 01:37:15 this is why you should kill stuff 01:37:18 when 01:37:29 Best palindrome ever: revemord nilap tseb. 01:37:30 a) output exceeds a certain number of characters 01:37:39 b) output exceeds a certain number of lines 01:37:48 c) execution time exceeds some limit 01:37:56 d) EgoBot gets dropped for flooding :P 01:38:16 -!- Robdgreat has quit. 01:48:14 Now, what's !show here do? 01:48:59 If the output doesn't have an EOF, it need's to be !showed to be seen. 01:49:02 Errr 01:49:05 EOL 01:49:19 LF? 01:49:26 Yead ;) 01:49:53 Yead even 01:49:57 AHH! 01:50:00 Yeah even 01:50:03 :-) 01:50:10 !lazyk 01:50:17 !i 1 Hello 01:50:17 !show 1 01:50:19 01:50:26 g'night 01:50:33 Bye jix. 01:50:46 Byebye 01:50:54 -!- jix has quit ("Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht"). 01:51:28 !i 1 \n 01:51:45 !eof 1 01:51:55 There we go. 01:53:18 !show 1 01:53:28 Meh! 01:54:40 !eof 1 01:55:33 See, output problems ;)\ 01:55:48 Aha. 02:04:11 Position mouse over desired location. Invert popper toy and place on mouse. Accuracy of clicks not guaranteed. 02:06:53 Bye bye. Don't accidentally break your "delete" key like I just did. 02:06:59 -!- ihope has quit ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050915]"). 02:08:03 -!- encoded has joined. 02:08:19 whats esoteric programming? 02:12:15 good question. 02:12:32 Hmmmm 02:12:33 It's... Programming intentionally made more interesting than it ought to be. 02:12:47 encoded: ever heard of Brainfuck? 02:14:34 no 02:15:02 are you a programmer? 02:15:53 just look at this: http://brainfuck.kicks-ass.net/files/mandelbrot.bf 02:16:02 that should explain it. 02:18:23 yes c++ 02:19:15 this doesnt explain anything 02:21:01 it's source code. 02:21:38 great.. 02:21:40 explaint it to 02:21:43 me 02:21:57 oh, just learn brainfuck 02:27:50 lol 02:27:56 See http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck 02:35:21 can i get a brainfuck compiler? 02:35:33 encoded: here is an attempt to describe esoteric programming: http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Esoteric_programming_language 02:35:44 encoded: google helps 02:35:58 short answer: yes 02:36:13 this is the coolest brainfuck compiler for linux: http://www.nada.kth.se/~matslina/awib/ 02:36:21 it is written in brainfuck 02:36:43 what about windoze? 02:36:55 I'm sure there are some. 02:37:03 I just use interpreters 02:39:50 hmm.. nobody can or should use this for any real world purpose 02:39:57 of course not :) 02:40:13 well, you can, but you shouldn't ;) 02:41:18 That's sort of the point ;) 02:41:52 yeah... its mostly just a brain fuck 02:42:11 brb 02:45:59 nobody should use C++ for any real world purpose, either :P 02:46:03 and yet... they do, all the time 02:50:53 Don't mind lament, he has the strange notion that Python is better than C++. Hah! 02:57:29 * encoded is back 02:59:01 soo.. why are you ppl here? supporting a language that has no use? 03:02:07 what do you mean it has no use? it fucks with people's brains 03:03:06 hmm.. you need to develop a code that alters your thought just by looking at it, not just anoy you. 03:03:22 like subliminal messeges or something 03:03:30 thats brainfuck 03:05:16 brainfuck does that. 03:13:11 in fact 03:13:30 before i started using brainfuck, i didn't even suspect about the secret underground catacombs where the government keeps the giant robots 03:13:36 but now i know all about them 03:14:10 right... 03:14:23 maybe whats THEY want you to belive 03:14:48 THEY are the (not so secret) world goverment 03:14:59 oh 03:15:07 i'm in it myself 03:15:23 but i know it's actually not the real government 03:15:30 the real government is on spaceships 03:15:38 and in the catacombs 03:16:03 hm... maybe you HAVE been looking at BF for 2 long... 03:24:33 -!- encoded has left (?). 03:27:46 lol 03:28:04 this proves that C++ programmers are weird. 03:28:45 * GregorR tries to decide whether to submit that to bash.org :P 04:01:50 -!- Sgep has quit. 04:33:12 -!- Robdgreat has joined. 05:43:28 -!- Arrogant has joined. 06:48:30 -!- kipple has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 07:28:31 -!- duerig has joined. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:30:26 -!- GregorR has quit (Remote closed the connection). 08:33:56 -!- EgoBot has quit (Success). 08:36:08 -!- GregorR has joined. 08:36:51 -!- EgoBot has joined. 09:09:23 -!- Arrogant has quit (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-"). 09:33:12 -!- duerig has left (?). 09:40:54 -!- jix has joined. 10:42:23 -!- kipple has joined. 11:24:29 -!- Keymaker has joined. 11:25:04 fun thing i found from google; 11:25:07 "brainfuck.com: The Leading Programming Language Site on the Net" 11:25:11 brainfuck.com 11:25:22 too bad it has nothing brainfuck related in it 11:44:20 there is just one editor suitable for lisp (that i found).. emacs 11:53:04 hmmm, the simpsons'll start soon. bbl 11:53:11 * Keymaker is away 12:17:16 -!- Sgep has joined. 12:34:33 hmm 12:47:52 -!- SadolBot has quit (Remote closed the connection). 12:58:32 -!- Robdgreat has quit. 14:00:29 -!- Sgeper has joined. 14:01:14 * jix made a esolang map: http://www.frappr.com/esolang 14:02:12 anyone here? 14:10:51 -!- Sgeper has quit. 14:13:33 let's see.. 14:15:16 hmm, it's a map 14:15:28 * Keymaker tries to think, brains explode 14:15:37 you need javascript to view that 14:16:14 there is a pin pointing at europe (thats me (well the pin is off a few kms)) 14:16:31 you can add yourself to the map 14:16:44 you can double click a pin and zoom in... 14:16:59 you can switch to satellite view 14:21:39 yeah 14:22:34 feel free to add yourself 14:23:18 hmmm, probably i can't find the place 14:23:35 you just have to enter your city name 14:23:42 i'll try 14:26:15 hmmm.. i need a shootout 14:28:52 okay, done 14:31:25 hopefully the others will add their places there too 14:31:48 url => topic 14:31:56 yeah, might be good 14:32:47 LOL you are in the water 14:32:58 yeah, it's underwater city ;) 14:33:07 maybe a few km off in the wrong direction? ;) 14:33:21 lemme check :) 14:34:28 yeah, hehe 14:45:43 -!- Sgep has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 14:54:46 Too bad you can't give it an exact location, my home is quite clearly visible in the satellite view. 14:55:49 do you live in finland? 14:56:26 Er, yes. 14:56:32 yeah, i thought so :) 15:00:09 i just wondered because you said your home is quite clearly visible in the satellite view.. and i didn't know you can zoom so close with the satellite view :) 15:01:28 hey, i didn't know finland is covered in gray if you zoom close enough! that must be something rock.. 15:01:29 http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=60.190135,24.836279&spn=0.004626,0.013087&t=k&hl=en 15:01:59 nice 15:02:05 zooms much better than to tampere 15:03:08 by the way, can one see these places at night time? with all the lights and so on? 15:04:31 If you have your own satellite to take pictures with, sure. :p 15:04:53 :D 15:05:05 In London the 'hybrid' view used to have the streets few metres off the satellite view, let's see if they still have that problem... 15:05:15 -!- Robdgreat has joined. 15:06:30 Heh, yes. http://maps.google.com/maps?q=london&ll=51.511380,-0.176092&spn=0.005791,0.016002&t=h&hl=en - the roads and such are ~10-20m to the left of their proper locations. 15:07:35 heh 15:14:51 woah.. imagine how someone walks through the globe. it's quite long trek.. 15:16:14 anyways, bye.. somebody add the map link to topic! :) 15:16:16 -!- Keymaker has quit ("This quote is unrelated to this context."). 16:31:04 -!- clog has joined. 16:31:04 -!- clog has joined. 16:39:36 -!- mtve has quit (Remote closed the connection). 23:29:57 -!- clog has joined. 23:29:57 -!- clog has joined. 23:56:23 -!- ineiros has joined.