00:00:37 <lament> Sgeo: Yes
00:00:50 <lament> Sgeo: because it's Lisp
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01:45:17 <nameless> does a language who is not comprehensible cause the syntax but cause the programming method can be considered like an esoteric language ?
01:45:41 <GregorR_> Some do, some don't, sort of depends.
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01:48:01 <lament> nameless: Yes.
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01:48:24 <nameless> ok
01:48:39 <lament> Smetana is a great example
01:49:22 <nameless> !wiki smetana
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01:49:31 <nameless> !doc smetana
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02:34:17 <ihope> Ah, yes. Smetana.
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02:36:41 <ihope> «A mí me lo gusta también.»
02:36:47 <ihope> Is that correct?
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09:27:38 <jix> moin
09:48:06 <SimonRC> SYN
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11:48:59 <fizzie> SYN, ACK
12:08:50 <SimonRC> ACK
12:10:07 <fizzie> Very good, but come to think of it, I don't really have anything much to say. FIN
12:15:15 <SimonRC> FIN ACK
12:18:29 <fizzie> ACK
12:19:33 <jix> 0o
12:24:20 <SimonRC> jix: read up on IP
12:24:33 <jix> SimonRC: i don't want to
12:31:15 <SimonRC> never mind then
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14:12:19 <nooga> urgh
14:12:27 <nooga> lisp hackers are so annoying
14:36:54 <SimonRC> No, Java3D is annoying.
14:37:12 <SimonRC> It is not designed for me to use.
14:37:24 <nooga> java is designed to be annoying
14:37:47 <SimonRC> Java is designed for the average programmer in a large group.
14:43:04 <nooga> coding java without intellisense(tm), and good IDE is impossible
14:45:00 <SimonRC> I think the Java3D api was desigend to drive me nuts.
14:45:11 <SimonRC> You can't even compose two rotations without having to give each one a name.
14:45:40 <nooga> omg
14:46:27 <SimonRC> You have to create the first, create a temporary rotation, set the angle and axis of each, then ask the first to multiply itself by the second.
14:47:20 <SimonRC> and of course, the methods to set the angle and axis return void, so you can't do this:
14:49:38 <SimonRC> "trans1 = new Transform3D().rotX(0.5).mul(new Trransform3D().rotY(0.2));"
14:50:11 <nooga> omigosc
14:50:14 <nooga> moigosh
14:50:16 <nooga> lol
14:50:18 <nooga> omigosh
14:51:10 <SimonRC> :-)
14:51:21 <SimonRC> No, you have to do this:
14:51:25 <SimonRC>         Transform3D rot = new Transform3D();
14:51:25 <SimonRC>         rot.rotX(pu/12);
14:51:25 <SimonRC>         Transform3D subRot = new Transform3D();
14:51:25 <SimonRC>         subRot.rotY(pu/8);
14:51:26 <SimonRC>         rot.mul(subRot);
14:51:40 <SimonRC> (pu = 2pi)
14:51:55 <nooga> that sucks ALOT
14:53:12 <SimonRC> Likely Haskell:     rot = rotY (pu/8) .*. rotX (pu/12)
14:53:37 <SimonRC> where .*. composes transformations (like functions)
15:03:51 <nooga> hm eeee
15:05:32 <nooga> hm... do you think that making function a type in sadol will help it to be functional?
15:06:14 <nooga> like :f~1+#_01 instead of ~f1+#_01
15:06:26 <nooga> and apply: )f2 {=>3}
15:11:22 <SimonRC> yeah, but...
15:11:27 <nooga> wlah?
15:11:37 <SimonRC> you will end up with a gazillion )))) in your program
15:11:40 <nooga> what else? cons?
15:11:51 <SimonRC> solution: take a leaf from the book of common lisp.
15:11:57 <nooga> SimonRC: eh, lisp is worse with those ()
15:12:01 <SimonRC> nonono
15:12:03 <SimonRC> I mean:...
15:13:00 <nooga> what do you mean " take a leaf from the book of common lisp."?
15:13:30 <SimonRC> Common Lisp puts functions in a seperate namespace.  Not a good idea here, but the idea of functions (typically called) being separate from values (typically passed to them), is a good idea...
15:13:46 <SimonRC> so, most functions act like already.
15:14:05 <SimonRC> most variables act like variables, as already..
15:15:21 <SimonRC> but, you can make a function be parsed like a variable (being a leaf not a branch node in the parse tree) or a variable act like a function (be a branch not a leaf in the parse tree)
15:15:39 <SimonRC> could even be mad backward-compatible
15:15:50 <nooga> hm
15:16:28 <nooga> so application would be natural, fxy {f(x,y)} onlu if f has a type FUNCTION ?
15:17:20 <SimonRC> yeah
15:17:32 <SimonRC> more of a parsing flag than a type, though
15:17:52 <SimonRC> in fact, it should *only* be a parser thing, and not relevent at runtime
15:18:08 <nooga> yea
15:18:42 <nooga> ha, check out my placeholder: http://stainworks.com/
15:21:52 <nooga> brb ;/
15:23:12 <SimonRC> well, looks cool so far
15:23:31 <SimonRC> What content will it have?
15:42:18 <nooga> erm, my homepage, blog and portfolio ;]
15:56:57 <nooga> who wants a pro webpage for $750 ?
16:20:16 <nooga> noone? ;\
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16:36:16 <nooga> what name would be better: shame? or ulisp? ;]
16:36:31 <nooga> (for my new esolang of crs.)
16:36:41 <nooga> ulisp -> uncommon lisp
16:37:04 <nooga> shame resembles scheme ;>
16:37:20 <SimonRC> ulisp
16:37:26 <SimonRC> LITHP?
16:37:38 <SimonRC> (S is not allowed)
16:39:22 <nooga> why lithp?
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16:46:03 <nooga> why s isn't allowed?
16:48:05 <SimonRC> http://groups.google.co.uk/group/net.general/msg/e809b92fdcc92888
16:48:15 <SimonRC> (see near the bottom)
16:50:33 <nooga> but ulisp will be bery stupid lisp dialect ;p
16:50:38 <nooga> very*
16:51:17 <SimonRC> (you realise that is a joke, right?)
16:51:35 <SimonRC> nooga: only s and k?
16:55:19 <nooga> yeah, almost
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21:06:09 <ihope> I find it cute how a short string of gibberish, like "36 F.Supp.2d 191" or "0-380-75947-0", can uniquely identify something.
21:06:39 <jix> 9DEDB891-8361-461C-9ED5-BDF0C8460EA9
21:06:46 <ihope> Yes, that too.
21:06:50 <ihope> Just a second...
21:07:03 <jix> and they are able to uniquely identify something without a centralized db
21:07:13 <ihope> Yep.
21:07:18 <ihope> What's 9DEDB891-8361-461C-9ED5-BDF0C8460EA9?
21:07:32 <jix> thats an uuid
21:07:34 <jix> man uuidgen
21:07:58 <jix> F1ED2D44-14E5-473B-96A4-395874541C27
21:07:59 <jix> 4082D87F-1CC0-49D1-AC25-5D9D10D4821B
21:08:00 <jix> BA41A38F-0712-486E-B0E4-0F2AB266A492
21:08:39 <ihope> Those aren't version 1 UUID's, are they?
21:08:50 <jix> i don't know
21:08:57 <jix> you could check the version bits
21:09:14 <ihope> What're those, and where?
21:09:24 <jix> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/UUID
21:09:28 <jix> wait
21:09:34 <jix> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universally_Unique_Identifier
21:09:35 <jix> ;)
21:10:02 <ihope> Yeah, I can't read Dutch. ;-)
21:10:08 <jix> german
21:10:16 * ihope smiles
21:11:05 <ihope> So Dutch is NL. How logical.
21:11:15 <ihope> Spanish is ES, German is DE...
21:11:26 <jix> well german in german is deutsch
21:11:33 <ihope> Yep.
21:11:39 <jix> spanish in spanish is españ....
21:11:47 <ihope> ...ol
21:11:58 * jix doesn't speak spanish
21:12:05 <ihope> And Nederlands.
21:12:09 <jix> and no i'm using version 4
21:12:30 <ihope> The random version?
21:12:38 <jix> yap
21:14:04 <ihope> So can you tell me what 0-380-75947-0 is?
21:15:31 <jix> something us specific?
21:15:41 <ihope> I don't think so.
21:15:52 <jix> telephone number?
21:16:03 <ihope> Nope.
21:16:16 <jix> random number?
21:16:25 <jix> wait some bar-code
21:16:28 <ihope> Nope :-)
21:16:33 <ihope> Yes...
21:16:37 <jix> isbn?
21:16:41 <ihope> Yep.
21:16:53 <jix> maybe it's a phone number too ;)
21:16:59 <ihope> :-)
21:17:51 <jix> what is this? "36 F.Supp.2d 191"
21:18:19 <ihope> Try a Google search.
21:19:35 <jix> ah
21:20:04 <GregorR> Blerr
21:20:34 <ihope> Blerr is located at http://www.nationalesports.com/index.php?op=viewuser&userid=9828
21:42:05 <ihope> So, GregorR, you're not Greg Orr, are you?
21:44:11 <GregorR> No
21:44:13 <GregorR> Gregor Richards
21:44:22 <GregorR> I have a far more robust name than that X-P
21:44:36 <GregorR> Greg Orr is just the guy who stole my domain name *sobs*
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21:57:31 <ihope> Ackermann function, anyone?
21:58:21 <calamari> I could go for a piece of pi.. still hungry ;) 
21:59:04 <ihope> Mmm, pi.
21:59:32 <ihope> 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679  
21:59:34 <ihope>   8214808651328230664709384460955058223172535940812848111745028410270193852110555964462294895493038196  
21:59:35 <ihope>   4428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273  
21:59:37 <ihope>   724587006606315588174881520920962829254091715364367892590360011330530548820466521384146951941511609
21:59:47 <ihope> Exactly--that's not an approximation.
21:59:48 <ihope> :-P
21:59:50 <calamari> yum
22:00:29 <ihope> Oh, right, the musical pattern thing...
22:01:02 <ihope> Play this note sequence: CDCECDCFCDCECDCGCDCECDCFCDCECDCACDCECDCFCDCECDCGCDCECDCFCDCECDCB
22:01:42 * calamari loads gw-basic
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22:04:19 <calamari> and that's hwhat happens when you accidentally press ctrl alt backspace
22:04:45 <ihope> :-)
22:05:52 <lament> ihope: i played it... nothing happened
22:06:19 <ihope> Did you hear anything?
22:06:28 <calamari> C C C Ab Eb C Ab Eb C
22:06:30 <lament> ummmmm
22:06:33 <lament> yes?
22:06:38 <lament> the notes i played? :)
22:06:50 <ihope> :-)
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22:09:57 <lament> does anybody have a recording of "manha de carnaval" with singing?
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22:22:16 <fuse> hello
22:22:50 <ihope> Hi.
22:23:18 <fuse> how's things, ihope?
22:23:21 <ihope> Good.
22:23:53 <ihope> We were just arguing frantically over whether A001511 makes good music.
22:24:15 <fuse> oh well, i can't join that discussion.
22:24:38 <ihope> Hmm... then again, we weren't.
22:24:40 <ihope> ;-)
22:24:53 <fuse> hahah.
22:41:41 <fuse> ihope: i bought "the little schemer" the other day
22:42:19 <ihope> Bought what?
22:42:47 <fuse> ihope: it's a book
22:43:18 <fuse> ihope: it's a book on scheme; it's laid out as a children's book and it has all these cute drawings of elephants
22:43:24 <ihope> :-)
22:43:54 <ihope> Sounds nice.
22:44:41 <fuse> ihope: and it still manages to present some pretty deep cs concepts; for instance, it presents turing's argument for the indecidability of the halting problem with little scheme programs
22:45:02 <fuse> ihope: yeah it's great
22:48:07 <fuse> ihope: http://www.bookpool.com/covers/992/0262560992_500.gif
22:48:17 <fuse> i'm in love with this book
22:49:12 <ihope> What would happen if I threw that in with all the other children's books at some library?
22:50:41 <fuse> if we were born in the right universe, it /would/ be a children's book; unfortunately we were born in the alternate universe in that star trek episode where everyone's evil and spock has a goatee
22:51:21 <ihope> Mmm, goatee.
22:52:06 <fuse> hah.
22:54:44 <fuse> ihope: the book has a page that says, "This space reserved for JELLY STAINS!"
22:54:55 <ihope> :-D
22:55:42 <Arrogant> fuse, without spock having a goatee we wouldn't have the band spock's beard
22:56:25 <fuse> Arrogant: well, you have a point
22:57:06 <Arrogant> speaking of which, i think i will turn it on
22:57:31 * fuse plays spock's beard - revelation.mp3
22:59:30 <Arrogant> You know I have run into fairly few Spock's Beard fans
22:59:40 <Arrogant> Then again I have never really looked for them
23:00:05 <fuse> well, i like prog
23:00:34 * Arrogant does too.
23:00:48 <Arrogant> Porcupine Tree is my favorite.
23:06:54 <fuse> ihope: where's that haskell book you recommended again?
23:07:05 <ihope> I reccomended a Haskell book?
23:07:41 <fuse> ihope: well, yes, an on-line book
23:07:56 <ihope> Ah, right.
23:08:09 <ihope> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:Haskell
23:08:12 <ihope> That, I think.
23:08:24 <fuse> thanks
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23:30:20 <lament> this sucks
23:30:28 <lament> i want to learn a song, and can't find its melody anywhere
23:31:51 <ihope> CDCECDCFCDCECDCGCDCECDCFCDCECDCACDCECDCFCDCECDCGCDCECDCFCDCECDCB
23:32:19 <lament> no
23:32:23 <lament> not that one
23:32:54 <ihope> :-)
23:34:51 <lament> :(
23:35:11 <Arrogant> maxwell's silver hammer?
23:37:38 <lament> yayyyyyyyy i think i found it
23:37:42 <lament> downloading :)
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