< 1145750934 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1145750958 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm < 1145750971 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is perl or BrainFuck more ridiculous (I'll use this term because BF is clearly more esoteric) < 1145750979 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vote perl. < 1145752523 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think perl, because, unlike brainfuck, people actually use it < 1145752536 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's just ridiculous < 1145753167 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1145753271 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck also has much more internal consistency. < 1145753931 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more international conspiracy. < 1145754052 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remind me what Giki is < 1145754258 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: My wiki engine. < 1145754407 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION points to http://giki.sf.net/ (and goes to bed)
< 1145754494 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, of course < 1145754500 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have remembered < 1145754687 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's small and easy to use, but supports plugins to a ridiculous degree. < 1145754699 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1145754699 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With plugins, you can go from the world's simplest wiki to MediaWiki ^^ < 1145754722 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, not all of the plugins for that are implemented X-P < 1145754751 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely I will never get used to the sheer amazingness of the net: < 1145754752 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tcc.members.beeb.net/ < 1145754782 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1145754787 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.donotputthebaby.com/ < 1145755380 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any new ones? < 1145755474 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There will be when you suggest one 8-D < 1145756475 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't put the baby into the vacuum bell jar < 1145756517 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't put the baby near a black hole < 1145756521 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1145756587 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't put the baby close to Gregor < 1145756589 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gn8 < 1145756601 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1145768112 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1145771931 0 :Arrogant!i=Scott@12.78.67.64 JOIN :#esoteric < 1145772512 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip68-231-173-86.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1145776004 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1145779199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1145779200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1145780465 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1145787619 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1145794857 0 :jix!i=jix@L63f7.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1145811073 0 :Sgeo!n=sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1145812173 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1145812318 0 :Sgeo!n=sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1145812944 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1145813073 0 :Sgeo!n=sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1145813901 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1145819757 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolol: http://slashdot.org/articles/06/04/23/159227.shtml (a comment points to a mirror at: http://data.coolnicks.co.uk/Code%20Monkey.mp3 ) < 1145819822 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Code monkey like Fritos. # # Code monkey like TAB and Mountain Dew. # < 1145823421 0 :Sgeo!n=sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1145823483 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrrrgh, why doesn't w3 validator like this >_O < 1145823551 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, found it 8-X < 1145824627 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1145829475 0 :EgoBot!n=EgoBot@astor.cs.pdx.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1145829517 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip68-231-173-86.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1145831371 0 :Arrogant!i=Scott@227.orlando-09rh15-16rt.fl.dial-access.att.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1145831555 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to decide whether to release Giki 1.5.0 today or wait for feedback from the people he e-mailed >_>
< 1145831721 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :release it now and release a "i shouldn't have released this yesterday" release tomorrow! < 1145831789 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahah < 1145831801 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brilliant. < 1145831805 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hermann-uwe.de/blog/debian-packages-release-names < 1145831889 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The WoW Effect < 1145831897 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WoW effect? < 1145831902 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Break it with a patch on Tuesday < 1145831911 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apologize and revert with another patch on Wednesday < 1145831952 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gn < 1145831952 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1145831958 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geeze. < 1145831962 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much forewarning, jix. < 1145832047 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(He can't hear you :)) < 1145832563 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1145833458 0 :Sgeo!n=sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1145833486 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1145835448 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, been thinking of another contest: smallest compiler, of any turing complete lang.. existing or nonexistant. basically what was done with bf. any platform, any binary type, any machine language with actual hardware < 1145835465 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words, smallest compiler ever < 1145835493 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it can be done smaller than bf, if another lang were used < 1145835775 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No dynamic binaries allowed? < 1145835811 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about that.. it would be reasonable to allow file operations and stdin/out < 1145835832 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not any lib.. otherwise you get libturing.so < 1145835836 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pff, dynamic binaries are for pansies. < 1145835855 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use raw system calls. < 1145835857 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not so tough. < 1145835860 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: how else would you read the file from linux < 1145835866 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Raw system calls! < 1145835869 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syscall 1 is read < 1145835873 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sycall 2 is open IIRC < 1145835876 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there, you're done. < 1145835884 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I misunderstood what you were saying < 1145835885 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus of course you could just make it read from stdin. < 1145835889 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1145835891 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah syscalls < 1145835906 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example in ms-dos I could use bios / dos calls < 1145835912 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly library < 1145835915 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1145835920 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1145835921 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Safer than allowing library links. < 1145835927 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And more fun >: ) < 1145835930 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1145835953 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, MS-DOS calls might be considered cheating, I dunno < 1145835966 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has open/read/ etc calls < 1145835978 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats fine < 1145835997 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea was that they couldn't just call somer function that was the real compiler < 1145836001 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1145836009 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't want them linking to libpython.so < 1145836038 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, no excuses based on platform.. if you choose linux, you live with the ovverhead elf or a.out or whatever :) < 1145836078 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1145836079 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably best not to use linux hehe < 1145836082 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1145836099 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.COM 4tw < 1145836140 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure 8-bit atari and commodore machines also have a raw binary format < 1145836147 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the 6502 angle :) < 1145836243 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1145836248 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if any 68000-based machines used raw binaries.. perhaps the st? < 1145836248 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did the amiga? < 1145836256 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure < 1145836296 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it should also be a standard os .. otherwise the open call might have extra special turing complete behavior < 1145836309 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that anyone would cheat that way.. hehe < 1145836315 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1145836320 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First write your own OS, then write this :P < 1145836323 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1145836347 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and instantly you have the 0-byte turing complete lang < 1145836363 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/lang/compiler/ < 1145836400 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow, does this seem like a contest that would be fun? < 1145836424 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun in that I'd never enter because I don't have the time or patience? Heck yeah! < 1145836443 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh, maybe wait until summer then < 1145836474 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have the patience for writing assembly language code? and you call yourself a programmer? < 1145836507 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how long it will be until they don't even offer assembly languages courses in college < 1145836513 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sad, really < 1145836647 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1145836676 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't have the patience for writing this particular project in assembly language code, especially nasty code with raw syscalls et al.