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00:09:18 <GregorR> Hmmm
00:09:31 <GregorR> Is perl or BrainFuck more ridiculous (I'll use this term because BF is clearly more esoteric)
00:09:39 <GregorR> I vote perl.
00:35:23 <lament> i think perl, because, unlike brainfuck, people actually use it
00:35:36 <lament> and that's just ridiculous
00:46:07 <GregorR> True.
00:47:51 <GregorR> Brainfuck also has much more internal consistency.
00:58:51 <lament> and more international conspiracy.
01:00:52 <SimonRC> remind me what Giki is
01:04:18 <GregorR> SimonRC: My wiki engine.
01:06:47 * pgimeno points to http://giki.sf.net/ (and goes to bed)
01:08:14 <SimonRC> ah, of course
01:08:20 <SimonRC> I should have remembered
01:11:27 <GregorR> It's small and easy to use, but supports plugins to a ridiculous degree.
01:11:39 <SimonRC> heh
01:11:39 <GregorR> With plugins, you can go from the world's simplest wiki to MediaWiki ^^
01:12:02 <GregorR> Mind you, not all of the plugins for that are implemented X-P
01:12:31 <SimonRC> Surely I will never get used to the sheer amazingness of the net:
01:12:32 <SimonRC> http://tcc.members.beeb.net/
01:13:02 <GregorR> lol
01:13:07 <GregorR> http://www.donotputthebaby.com/
01:23:00 <SimonRC> any new ones?
01:24:34 <GregorR> There will be when you suggest one 8-D
01:41:15 <jix> don't put the baby into the vacuum bell jar
01:41:57 <jix> don't put the baby near a black hole
01:42:01 <SimonRC> heh
01:43:07 <jix> don't put the baby close to Gregor
01:43:09 <jix> gn8
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07:06:44 <calamari> hi
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19:15:57 <SimonRC> lolol:  http://slashdot.org/articles/06/04/23/159227.shtml  (a comment points to a mirror at:  http://data.coolnicks.co.uk/Code%20Monkey.mp3 )
19:17:02 <SimonRC> # Code monkey like Fritos. #  # Code monkey like TAB and Mountain Dew. #
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20:18:03 <GregorR> Arrrrgh, why doesn't w3 validator like this >_O
20:19:11 <GregorR> Damn, found it 8-X
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22:32:35 * GregorR tries to decide whether to release Giki 1.5.0 today or wait for feedback from the people he e-mailed >_>
22:35:21 <jix> release it now and release a "i shouldn't have released this yesterday" release tomorrow!
22:36:29 <GregorR> Hahahah
22:36:41 <GregorR> Brilliant.
22:36:45 <jix> http://www.hermann-uwe.de/blog/debian-packages-release-names
22:38:09 <Arrogant> The WoW Effect
22:38:17 <jix> WoW effect?
22:38:22 <Arrogant> Break it with a patch on Tuesday
22:38:31 <Arrogant> Apologize and revert with another patch on Wednesday
22:39:12 <jix> gn
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22:39:18 <GregorR> Geeze.
22:39:22 <GregorR> Not much forewarning, jix.
22:40:47 <Arrogant> (He can't hear you :))
22:49:23 <GregorR> :P
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23:37:28 <calamari> hmm, been thinking of another contest: smallest compiler, of any turing complete lang.. existing or nonexistant.  basically what was done with bf.  any platform, any binary type, any machine language with actual hardware 
23:37:45 <calamari> in other words, smallest compiler ever
23:38:13 <calamari> I think it can be done smaller than bf, if another lang were used
23:42:55 <GregorR> No dynamic binaries allowed?
23:43:31 <calamari> I was thinking about that.. it would be reasonable to allow file operations and stdin/out
23:43:52 <calamari> but not any lib.. otherwise you get libturing.so 
23:43:56 <GregorR> Pff, dynamic binaries are for pansies.
23:44:15 <GregorR> Just use raw system calls.
23:44:17 <GregorR> It's not so tough.
23:44:20 <calamari> GregorR: how else would you read the file from linux
23:44:26 <GregorR> Raw system calls!
23:44:29 <GregorR> syscall 1 is read
23:44:33 <GregorR> sycall 2 is open IIRC
23:44:36 <GregorR> And there, you're done.
23:44:44 <calamari> oh, I misunderstood what you were saying
23:44:45 <GregorR> Plus of course you could just make it read from stdin.
23:44:49 <GregorR> Heh
23:44:51 <calamari> yeah syscalls
23:45:06 <calamari> for example in ms-dos I could use bios / dos calls
23:45:12 <calamari> not exactly library
23:45:15 <GregorR> Right.
23:45:20 <calamari> okay
23:45:21 <GregorR> Safer than allowing library links.
23:45:27 <GregorR> And more fun >: )
23:45:30 <calamari> yeah
23:45:53 <calamari> of course, MS-DOS calls might be considered cheating, I dunno
23:46:06 <calamari> it has open/read/ etc calls
23:46:18 <calamari> but thats fine
23:46:37 <calamari> the idea was that they couldn't just call somer function that was the real compiler
23:46:41 <GregorR> Right.
23:46:49 <GregorR> Don't want them linking to libpython.so
23:47:18 <calamari> also, no excuses based on platform.. if you choose linux, you live with the ovverhead elf or a.out or whatever :)
23:47:58 <GregorR> Yup
23:47:59 <calamari> so probably best not to use linux hehe
23:48:02 <GregorR> Heh
23:48:19 <GregorR> .COM 4tw
23:49:00 <calamari> pretty sure 8-bit atari and commodore machines also have a raw binary format
23:49:07 <calamari> for the 6502 angle :)
23:50:43 <GregorR> Heh
23:50:48 <calamari> not sure if any 68000-based machines used raw binaries.. perhaps the st?
23:50:48 <calamari> did the amiga?
23:50:56 <GregorR> Not sure
23:51:36 <calamari> I suppose it should also be a standard os .. otherwise the open call might have extra special turing complete behavior
23:51:49 <calamari> not that anyone would cheat that way.. hehe
23:51:55 <GregorR> lol
23:52:00 <GregorR> First write your own OS, then write this :P
23:52:03 <calamari> yep
23:52:27 <calamari> and instantly you have the 0-byte turing complete lang
23:52:43 <calamari> s/lang/compiler/
23:53:20 <calamari> anyhow, does this seem like a contest that would be fun?
23:53:44 <GregorR> Fun in that I'd never enter because I don't have the time or patience?  Heck yeah!
23:54:03 <calamari> ahh, maybe wait until summer then
23:54:34 <calamari> you don't have the patience for writing assembly language code? and you call yourself a programmer?
23:55:07 <calamari> I wonder how long it will be until they don't even offer assembly languages courses in college
23:55:13 <calamari> sad, really
23:57:27 <GregorR> lol
23:57:56 <GregorR> No, I don't have the patience for writing this particular project in assembly language code, especially nasty code with raw syscalls et al.