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18:25:33 <calamari> seems that the wiki just went down
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18:46:01 <calamari> perhaps Γ is better as the last char
18:48:41 <jix> whats that?
18:51:06 <GregorR-W> Phi eighth-notes backwards-E phi theta eighth-notes ohms?
18:51:13 <calamari> jix: btw, did you see MinISCule?
18:51:21 <jix> calamari: no
18:51:45 <calamari> jix: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/MinISCule
18:52:04 <calamari> jix: same idea as Subskin (OISC variant), but in assembly
18:52:16 <jix> i saw something like this with a different name
18:52:46 <calamari> but it was 59 bytes instead of 36
18:55:11 <calamari> GregorR: because MS-DOS Enter = \r
18:55:17 <jix> not \r \n ?
18:55:34 <calamari> jix: \r\n is newline, but an Enter key press is just \r
18:56:43 <calamari> I had to choose some character, why not that one :)
18:57:52 <calamari> so now I'd like to see an interpreter in the 20's
18:58:22 <GregorR-W> Seems like if you didn't limit yourself to ASCII input, you could reduce a bit of overhead there.
18:58:46 <calamari> GregorR: yeah, but requiring binary input seems like cheating
18:59:23 <GregorR-W> I guess that'd be tough to input in DOS ;)
19:00:21 <calamari> and its even easy by keyboard, since dos gives the Alt-keypad ability
19:03:03 <calamari> by yeah, I could cut 2 chars that way, possibly 4 if I can get the flags to cooperate
19:04:06 <calamari> and I'd cut 4 more if I cut out exiting and i/o
19:05:09 <jix> where do i get debug?
19:05:09 <GregorR-W> Who needs to clean up gracefully? ^^
19:07:42 <calamari> jix: I think there may be a freedos version of it
19:08:05 <calamari> jix: I just used the MS-DOS one
19:08:22 <jix> calamari: well i'd have to sue dosbox
19:09:36 <jix> setting up bochs is painfull
19:09:43 <GregorR-W> dosbox >> any of those options in most cases
19:09:57 <jix> i have no way to exchange any files between host and guest os that works
19:09:59 <GregorR-W> Merely because dosbox is ridiculously easy to use :P
19:10:14 <jix> calamari: i know but it works
19:10:21 <GregorR-W> calamari: That's a big concern with this interpreter, right? :P
19:10:50 <calamari> I've tested Barely under dosemu and qemu
19:12:54 <calamari> since they make the same assumptions, MinISCule should work too
19:13:06 <jix> is dosemu a complete emulator?
19:13:25 <GregorR-W> Dosemu isn't an emulator at all, despite the name.
19:13:29 <calamari> I think dosemu is more like wine
19:13:42 <jix> nah can't use it no x86 here
19:13:45 <GregorR-W> The Windows Emulator that's not an emulator :)
19:14:12 <jix> calamari: i have no way to exchange files between it and osx
19:14:33 <calamari> jix: qemu has networking and also samba
19:14:40 <jix> calamari: doesn't work here
19:14:51 <jix> and do i have samba under dos?
19:15:04 <calamari> jix: I just used scp under dos
19:16:39 <calamari> but, qemu can use normal partitions, and also loop, floppies, etc
19:17:07 <calamari> of course you don't have a floppy drive either
19:17:58 <jix> yeah and my only HD is HFS+ formatted
19:18:14 <calamari> I should create a qemu disk image for this
19:18:26 <jix> yeah but i don't think i can mount those
19:18:49 <jix> hmm maybe i selected compressed image or something like that
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19:29:45 <calamari> blah was in the middle of it and my home connection cut out yet again
19:30:07 <calamari> dialup is more reliable than that crappy cable connection
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20:35:11 <calamari> just about an hjour apart, too
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20:51:08 <nooga> `(a {|w..} b :- a' `f :- f) :- (q' :- `f {\##z} f `f)
20:52:31 <nooga> looks esoteric huh? :D
20:53:28 <calamari> been hoping for a contestant.. need to see something smaller than 36 bytes :)
20:53:30 <nooga> but the problem is that i don't have any idea how it works ;d
20:53:50 <calamari> I once wrote a lang that I didn't know how to write programs for
20:54:03 <nooga> but im working on it...
20:56:16 <calamari> fixed : http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Bubble#External_resource
20:58:05 <calamari> but it uses human sentences, can't be that hard ;)
21:00:17 <nooga> ({*|<>} :- `K ?{K}2 :- !)
21:01:27 <nooga> it should multiply a number from input by 2 and then print it
21:02:56 <calamari> is there a working interpreter
21:03:22 <nooga> hmmm... only parser ATM
21:04:07 <calamari> trying to understand that prog
21:05:05 <nooga> you can define custom ones, and inside {} you put an expression in operator language (language in language)
21:06:30 <calamari> sounds like I need to wait for the writeup
21:08:05 <nooga> K = new_operator("multiply left argument by right argument"); output = input K 2;
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21:15:26 <calamari> well, at least I realized K was the variable, hehe
21:22:10 <nooga> who are you migge?
21:24:34 <GregorR-W> And then, xenophobia started to set in.
21:24:46 <GregorR-W> The esoteric'ers, threatened by this new presence, started amassing vast weapons.
21:25:01 <nooga> giggle giggle snort
21:25:04 <GregorR-W> Unfortunately, because Gregor's connection sucks, EgoBot was not there to help amass weapons :P
21:27:27 <nooga> (1 (2 (3 4))) :- i
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21:49:53 <GregorR-W> That you could just feed programs into and it'd keep the top 10.
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21:52:31 <GregorR-W> calamari: FYB might have been the first thing I mentioned on this channel ...
21:53:05 <calamari> remember, my brain is a queue :)
21:53:17 <calamari> so you just caused me to forget something :(
21:53:46 <GregorR-W> calamari: My middle name is Kenneth.
21:57:26 <calamari> Jeffry lol Johnston why isn't it capitalized?
21:58:35 <calamari> this fat32 mount is driving me crazy
21:58:50 <calamari> I write files to it, umount, and then qemu doesn't see them
21:58:59 <calamari> I rebooted and the file mysteriously disappeared
21:59:17 <calamari> it's like it is not actually writing them
21:59:34 <calamari> either that or qemu is overwriting the fat
22:01:28 <GregorR-W> Didn't somebody remake my FYB-runner script to produce prettier output? Who was that? jix?
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