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00:11:24 <ihope> "ANd"?
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02:18:38 <SimonRC> ihope: try everything2 for an indiscriminat collection of information
02:19:05 <SimonRC> At the bottom of each page there is a collection of a couple of dozen links of varying relevance
02:19:13 <SimonRC> reeeeally addictive
02:19:42 <SimonRC> I generally get to one page from a Google search, and end up reading it for 6 hours or something like that
02:20:03 <SimonRC> do not, of courese, forget the "uncyclopedia".
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04:20:19 <vincenz> Hello people!
04:21:48 <vincenz> I am in the need of some very important elp
04:21:50 <vincenz> s/elp/help
04:22:34 <vincenz> I need a good name for my programming language
04:24:08 <poiuy_qwert> F#
04:24:17 <vincenz> o.O
04:44:39 <GregorR> Why don't you explain some of its features?
04:44:47 <vincenz> it's a mixture of haskell and ml
04:45:48 * GregorR has no suggestions :P
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05:42:52 <lament> vincenz: "ml"
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06:16:35 <sedimin> greetings
06:31:08 <GregorR> http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a379/GregorRichards/Jefish.jpg
06:34:24 <sedimin> uh
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08:09:51 <GregorR> !help
08:09:54 <EgoBot> help ps kill i eof flush show ls bf_txtgen usertrig daemon undaemon
08:09:56 <EgoBot> 1l 2l adjust axo befunge bch bf{8,[16],32,64} fyb fybs glass glypho kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 unlambda whirl
08:10:00 <GregorR> Wow, what a survivor it is today :P
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09:47:26 <sedimin> omg
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11:55:50 <SimonRC> oh dear:
11:55:57 <SimonRC> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=119185
11:56:21 <SimonRC> "Bugzilla Bug 119185 – if rpm exits in mid-transaction, the RPM data base can be left in an inconsistent state"
11:57:33 <SimonRC> <if /usr is mounted RO, rmp leaves it database in an inconsistant state> <don't do that then> <it's a bug> <no it isn't> etc
11:57:45 <SimonRC> IMO it *is* a bug
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18:42:07 <lament> is Oerjan Johansen here?
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19:07:26 <ihope> Oh, right!
19:08:03 <ihope> My English word regex was a failure (mostly because English is so weird, I'm sure), so now I'll try a Spanish one.
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19:33:00 <sedimin_> hi there
19:33:04 <ihope> Hello.
19:33:12 <ihope> All stereotypes are stupid!
19:33:28 <sedimin_> sometimes not
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19:36:19 <sedimin> hm. what is the EOF defines as? it varies from OS to OS or from what?
19:36:26 <sedimin> I thought it was 0
19:37:19 <ihope> Isn't EOF obsolete? :-P
19:37:36 <sedimin> :)
19:37:40 <sedimin> but look at this:
19:37:54 <sedimin> rtfm
19:37:54 <sedimin>  stfw lol
19:37:54 <sedimin>  wtf lol iz liek 0
19:37:54 <sedimin>   tldr
19:37:54 <sedimin>  brb
19:37:54 <sedimin>  rofl lol
19:37:55 <sedimin> brb
19:38:42 <sedimin> ehm -> http://rafb.net/paste/results/Y0qnBt87.html
19:39:15 <sedimin> the problem is, it runs for infinite amount of time
19:39:36 <sedimin> so i can't stop it
19:41:34 <fizzie> If by "EOF" you mean the C language macro in <stdio.h>, it _can't_ be 0, because: "EOF which expands to an integer constant expression, with type int and a negative value, that is returned by several functions to indicate end-of-file, --" (C99 7.9.1, paragraph 3.)
19:42:16 <fizzie> (If you mean some other EOF, disregard the previous.)
19:43:03 <sedimin> I think the general end-of-file expression
19:44:06 <sedimin> for example, brainfuck cat program is ,[.,] I think. so when the current cell value is 0, then it ends
19:45:22 <fizzie> I don't think there is any "general end-of-file"; especially with brainf*ck environments EOF seems to vary between 0, 255 and no-change.
19:46:37 <fizzie> (And probably -1, too, if there are some non-byte-cells.)
19:46:40 <sedimin> i see
19:47:14 <sedimin> but imagine you have a program of some kind (cat for example) and you are giving it input. then you give it ctrl+z in windows, or ctrl+d in linux
19:47:21 <sedimin> and it stops
19:48:35 <fizzie> It stops if the cat program has been written to understand the EOF given by the brainf*ck system. That particular cat program would not work for a "EOF means no change to current cell" brainf*ck system.)
19:48:47 <sedimin> i see
19:48:54 <sedimin> thanks
19:50:44 <sedimin> geeez i'm stupid
19:56:18 <sedimin> i just thought of keyboard shortcut that yields EOF and its value - i forgot that it's dirrefent on windows and linux
19:57:44 <fizzie> The keyboard shortcut to give EOF is very probably not what the program sees, anyway.
19:58:25 <sedimin> yes,
19:59:13 <sedimin> but i wondered why the cat program does not end on ctrl+z when using standard input, and it did when a file has been redirected into standard input
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20:18:47 <sedimin__> hm
20:41:20 <kipple> hi sedimin
20:41:25 <sedimin__> hey
20:41:36 <kipple> I'm Rune in the wiki.
20:41:45 <kipple> about that EOF and file handling...
20:41:51 <sedimin__> go on
20:42:17 <kipple> first off, I think 255 file handles is a lot. probably enough
20:42:36 <kipple> reading filenames off the stack is not a bad idea
20:42:43 <sedimin__> yes, but imagine an omgrofl operating system
20:42:51 <kipple> ah :)
20:42:53 <sedimin__> it would be only able to have 255 handles at run time :(
20:42:54 <sedimin__> :)
20:43:06 <kipple> why not simply make it 32bit...
20:43:26 <sedimin__> or 1024-bit? :)
20:43:46 <kipple> or undefined
20:43:52 <sedimin__> then it would be prepared for 1024-bit processors
20:43:56 <kipple> and let each implementation choose
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20:44:10 <sedimin__> hmm
20:44:17 <sedimin__> that's wise
20:47:33 <kipple> an operator that reads a (zero-terminated) filename off the stack and opens it would be nice I think. But only if file IO (apart from STDIO) is actually wanter
20:47:36 <kipple> wanted
20:47:51 <sedimin__> hmm
20:49:15 <sedimin__> imagine it is
20:49:32 <sedimin__> then there will be commands to read from a file?
20:50:06 <ihope> If you add that, you'll have to add pointers.
20:50:13 <sedimin__> of will we swap the STDI/O for the file handle and use stfw or rofl to read/write to/from file?
20:50:14 <ihope> That is, you
20:50:34 <ihope> 'll have to add dynamic memory allocation, which more-or-less requires pointers.
20:50:34 <kipple> you can add a second parameter to rofl and stfw
20:51:00 <kipple> or you can have a command that sets the active file
20:51:04 <sedimin__> yes
20:51:14 <ihope> Then you'll need a good way to do network connections.
20:51:17 <sedimin__> :)
20:51:25 <sedimin__> i was actually going to say it!
20:51:29 <sedimin__> heh
20:51:42 <kipple> actually, due to the nature of the language the IRC protocol should probably be included :P
20:51:56 <sedimin__> or somebody should just code IRC library
20:52:33 <ihope> Ah, yes. Libraries.
20:52:45 <ihope> There needs to be a way to define functions, and a way to call them.
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20:53:53 <sedimin_> stupid miranda
20:55:06 <sedimin_> ...
20:55:18 <sedimin_> so, but - when we'll be able to change active file
20:55:34 <sedimin_> we still won't be able to seek in the files, just use them as streams
20:56:01 <kipple> true
20:56:17 <kipple> you could of course add random access functionality, but is it really necessary?
20:56:36 <sedimin_> i don't think so
20:56:47 <sedimin_> you may read the entire file into stack
20:56:51 <sedimin_> and manipulate it there
20:57:40 <sedimin_> and to the function definitions
20:57:49 <sedimin_> i still have the "omg" keyword reserved ;)
20:58:30 <kipple> indeed. it needs an omg keyword
20:58:43 <ihope> And a bbq keyword.
20:59:16 <kipple> bbq? like in barbequeue?
20:59:31 <ihope> Yeah.
20:59:47 <ihope> I guess it could mark the end of whatever omg begins.
20:59:56 <sedimin_> :))
20:59:56 <kipple> bbl is also available
21:00:01 <kipple> and cya
21:00:07 <sedimin_> many keywords ;)
21:00:08 <ihope> And wtf needs to be one of the things that omg and bbq can enclose.
21:01:30 <sedimin_> maybe it should be object-oriented and programmer-hostile
21:02:47 <sedimin_> hm. doesn't bbq mean also "be back quick" ? :)
21:05:06 <ihope> Yeah, it does!
21:05:22 <sedimin_> but barbeque sounds nicer
21:05:36 <sedimin_> especially in a code
21:06:54 <kipple> a couple of others: g2g, wb, IANAL, btw
21:08:46 <kipple> good list: http://www.sharpened.net/glossary/acronyms.php
21:10:11 <kipple> brb :)
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21:11:44 <ihope> I'd say IANA could be an output command, but...
21:12:13 <sedimin_> :))
21:12:21 <sedimin_> or http://www.noslang.com/dictionary/full
21:12:23 <sedimin_> brb
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21:12:48 <ihope> An example: "IANAH; IANAe; IANAl; IANAl; IANAo; IANA,; IANA ; IANAw; IANAo; IANAr; IANAl; IANAd; IANA!"
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21:29:47 <sedimin> eh
21:30:22 <sedimin> so what about the networking and libraries in omgrofl? :)
21:30:50 <ihope> :-D can be import.
21:31:04 <ihope> Except that I wanted emoticons to be comments.
21:31:35 <sedimin> just a harmless comment?
21:32:01 <sedimin> wherever in the code like  lol :) iz 3
21:39:54 <lament> IANA should obviously only allow capital letters
21:40:21 <ihope> sedimin: yep.
21:40:23 <lament> IANAH; IANAE; IANAL; IANAL; IANAO
21:41:02 <ihope> I am not a large humanoid; I am not an elemental; I am not a lich; I am not a lich; I am not an ogre?
21:41:09 <lament> perhaps it could even allow several at a time
21:41:18 <lament> IANAHE; IANAL; IANALO
21:42:09 <ihope> But we already have an output command, don't we?
21:43:15 <lament> i am not a happy elephant; i am not a lawyer; i am not a little orange.
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