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02:27:39 <Sgeo> BRB all, trying the system w/o the evil ntfsprogs
02:32:23 <ihope> If there were a point thingy for killing the chat here, I'd have won the jackpot just now.
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05:49:56 <sedimin> Hm, quite fast, not as I would wish
05:50:26 <sedimin> gotta do loads of things at one time ;)
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11:56:22 <W_work> Is it easy to compile Bag into Thue, or vise versa?
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13:28:19 <ihope> I think it's not horribly hard to compile Fractran into Thue.
13:55:34 <W_work> I mean, they're very similar in operation, except that in Thue the order of the items matter
13:56:10 <W_work> which means you can't convert 666 into 232323 and have it mean the same as 222333
13:56:27 <W_work> but I've not tried, so I'm not sure if that is an obstacle or not
13:56:59 <ihope> Well, you could have some rules to scramble your primes around... then again, rules in Fractran have to work in a given order.
13:57:43 <W_work> perhaps it's not so easy after all
13:58:24 <ihope> Oh, there are ways to do it.
13:58:57 <ihope> Just have a field of stars, representing the current number.
13:59:25 <W_work> how do you check the division then?
13:59:30 <W_work> I'd imagine having a symbol per prime
13:59:41 <W_work> and just replace a set of primes with another
13:59:55 <ihope> You emit a bubble that runs through the field of stars, applying the first fraction. If it fails, go back, and undo what you've done. If it succeeds, go back, but don't undo.
14:00:06 <W_work> well that's fairly complex
14:00:23 <W_work> it's more complex than what I had imagined
14:00:44 <W_work> I mean, you're just transmuting primes, no need to care about what the product is
14:01:39 <ihope> Suppose you have ***** as your string, and you want to apply the fraction 3/5. Just stick a bubble on there to get "%*****", which turns into "***%", which turns into "***S", into "**S*", into "*S**", into "S***".
14:01:46 <W_work> the rule 15/14 for instance, says to convert 2 7 to 3 5
14:02:08 <ihope> Yes, but the 2 and the 7 might be anywhere in your string.
14:02:15 <W_work> yes I realize how you do it, but it'd be terribly slow, compared to just transmuting the primes directly; especially if you have a lot of primes
14:02:31 <W_work> but is there no simple way to sort it?
14:02:33 <ihope> I guess it's still easy enough.
14:03:05 <ihope> Just have your bubble look for a 2, and for a 7, but not necessarily next to each other.
14:03:49 <W_work> I mean, if we're talking 2*3*5*7*9*11, and we're applying the program 64/15 9/2 81/3 21/11
14:03:59 <ihope> We could use {15/14} for the bubble, and [2] and [7] for the stuff it goes through.
14:04:00 <W_work> the field of stars would be humongous
14:04:06 <W_work> and you'd be backtracking a *lot*
14:05:05 <ihope> If it finds a [2], it deletes it and turns into {15/7}, and if it finds a 7, it deletes it and turns into {15/2}, and if either of those then finds the other, it'll delete it and turn into [3][5].
14:05:52 <ihope> If it can't find an appropriate number in the whole string, it spits out the numbers it's eaten and goes back home, indicating failure in some way.
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15:43:12 <W_work> you can tell my job is interesting
15:44:15 <W_work> I'm an all-purpose programmer for a telco here in Norway
15:44:37 <W_work> but today has gone to debugging hardware
15:45:34 <W_work> my job IS actually quite interesting, I just wanted to pretend I have an excuse for my procrastination
17:10:45 <_W_> and it turned out to be a software problem after all
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