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02:14:17 <User91> HELLO
02:14:31 <User91> Anyone there??
02:15:04 <User91> Hellooooo
02:15:33 <User91> I have some interesting knowledge to discucc
02:16:28 <ihope__> I'm here.
02:16:35 <User91> Hello
02:16:59 <User91> This is the esoterics chat room yes?
02:17:15 <ihope__> Yep.
02:17:27 <ihope__> Unless you mean esotericism. This is about esoteric programming.
02:17:37 <User91> Are you a sorceror of some kind?
02:17:56 <User91> Ah, wrong place then
02:18:07 <User91> bye now
02:18:10 <ihope__> Bye.
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02:18:30 <ihope__> ...That was odd, eh?
02:18:39 <ihope__> Well, it's time to poof.
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03:30:54 <Razor-X> *Things that go against the channel rules* No, don't kick me out, PLEASE!
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03:49:39 <Razor-X> What shady piece of data did you pass of as informative?
03:50:10 <pikhq> Esoteric programming languages, what else?
03:50:19 <Razor-X> Did you give me as an example?
03:50:27 <pikhq> No.
03:50:32 <Razor-X> Then you lose.
03:50:33 <RodgerTheGreat> please say it wasn't just BF...
03:50:43 <pikhq> It wasn't.
03:50:50 <Razor-X> Did you present Glass and INTERCAL too?
03:51:11 <pikhq> Glass, Dimensifuck, and OISC.
03:51:20 <RodgerTheGreat> not a bad combo
03:51:23 <Razor-X> Dimensifsck, of course :P.
03:51:30 <pikhq> Well, duh. Shameless plug.
03:51:48 <RodgerTheGreat> in covering DF, you naturally explained it's BF underpinnings.
03:51:50 <Razor-X> I shoulda been there to prove the 2-dimensionality of your topological space.
03:52:01 <pikhq> But of course.
03:52:39 <pikhq> Razor-X: Someone else did the same. "Well, can you go diaganolly? Move like a knight?"
03:52:45 <Razor-X> Yay!
03:52:59 <RodgerTheGreat> I'd describe his topology as more 3d- a tree structure consisting of arbitrarily large 1D nodes.
03:53:26 <Razor-X> Well, the best way to do it would be to utilize a movement vector on a non-intersecting plane.
03:53:34 <pikhq> It sure as hell makes for some interesting coding, though.
03:54:01 <RodgerTheGreat> yeah, but we have yet to see a code example that truly utilizes the language
03:54:08 <RodgerTheGreat> 's unique abilities
03:54:24 <pikhq> Yeah.
03:54:28 <pikhq> Need to get around to that.
03:54:52 <Razor-X> OISC isn't really esoteric, because it has good potential.
03:55:01 <Razor-X> If pipelined correctly, the processors can be insanely fast.
03:56:50 <Razor-X> Yay. Time to crunch more vocabulary.
03:57:05 <RodgerTheGreat> I don't think OISC itself is designed well for many tasks, but I'm certain a similar system could be implemented in an actual CPU.
03:57:47 <Razor-X> It is. Especially with a paper on an experimental Sun pipeline I was looking at a while back. It was a bi-directional pipeline with a great small-hastle queue system.
03:58:23 <RodgerTheGreat> interesting...
03:58:30 <Razor-X> If implemented correctly, it could decrease the write operations drastically and theoretically use only 1 read operation for every register read for the first time from cache-memory.
03:58:38 <RodgerTheGreat> well then- Reverse Subtract and Skip if Borrow FTW!
03:59:28 <Razor-X> I looked into something similar and found that a 4 word instruction was best. Word 1 and 2 are used for the subtraction, if negative branch to Word 3, if not Branch to word 4.
04:00:06 <RodgerTheGreat> all we need to do is devise a higher-level language that compiles efficiently to OISC and then implement a compiler.
04:00:26 <Razor-X> The only problem with the design was A) The processor itself is so fast that the system does often depend on memory read time and B) The bus-width was a gynormous 32 bytes.
04:01:34 <RodgerTheGreat> solve A with a fast, independent MMU and massive amounts of cache on-die. This wouldn't be too bad considering how much simpler an OISC core would probably be.
04:01:51 <Razor-X> Yeah. That's the solution there.
04:02:00 <Razor-X> But large, fast busses are a bit on the expensive side.
04:02:21 <RodgerTheGreat> if they became popular, they'd eventually become cheap.
04:02:27 <Razor-X> True.
04:03:11 <Razor-X> I spent time and 600 pages researching on all of this so :P.
04:03:17 <RodgerTheGreat> a simple core *also* means that it would be easy to make massive multi-core dies- such as an 8-core OISC chip or something.
04:03:47 <Razor-X> But then the task-manager becomes a mess of circuitry.
04:03:56 <RodgerTheGreat> yeah
04:04:08 <Razor-X> Although what you can do is tack on a different core to each stage of the pipeline.
04:04:18 <Razor-X> Plus each instruction has O(1) time.
04:04:42 <RodgerTheGreat> you could go with something like the cell- a group of OISC parallel units with a more conventional CPU driving and feeding them.
04:05:00 <RodgerTheGreat> ooh- use of "Big Oh" notation.
04:05:51 <Razor-X> -_-;;
04:06:10 <RodgerTheGreat> heh
04:06:47 <Razor-X> 500 words later I can read 8 pages of Japanese continuously.
04:07:00 <RodgerTheGreat> nice
04:07:13 <Razor-X> I want to round out some more today to read 2 more short pages.
04:08:13 <Razor-X> See, if I had some Verilog examples, I would love to cobble an OISC processor.
04:08:18 <Razor-X> I had a good layout in my head already.
04:10:59 <RodgerTheGreat> well, if you ever write a chip design, I'll try to find something with an FPGA and build a compiler.
04:54:45 <GregorR> http://www.cafepress.com/donotputthebaby.70342340
04:55:07 <RodgerTheGreat> I like.
04:55:19 <RodgerTheGreat> rather expensive, though.
04:55:26 <GregorR> Yeah :(
04:59:17 <RodgerTheGreat> it's a fascinating concept, though.
05:10:07 <RodgerTheGreat> for anyone interested, a wordcount analysis (still working on weeding some crap out) of the leaked AOL search data
05:10:11 <RodgerTheGreat> http://www.rafb.net./paste/results/sCVfnD13.html
05:16:50 <RodgerTheGreat> I refer you all to this grim harbinger of the doom of the human race:
05:16:52 <RodgerTheGreat> 16549 : myspace
05:16:52 <RodgerTheGreat> 16511 : sex
05:17:04 <RodgerTheGreat> myspace- better than sex?
05:17:13 <RodgerTheGreat> god, I hope not.
05:32:38 <GregorR> XD
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06:02:57 <RodgerTheGreat> ok, here's a similar thing, returning the most popular complete searches (remember, we're stripping case)
06:03:00 <RodgerTheGreat> http://www.rafb.net./paste/results/LsjrLN85.html
06:06:51 <RodgerTheGreat> G'night (or morning) everyone.
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06:59:21 <GregorR> I wonder if there is an AOL keyword "porn" :P
06:59:26 <GregorR> "Welcome to Porn@AOL!"
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08:18:16 <nooga> uu
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09:41:40 <thematrixeatsyou> <INSERT ZEEKY BOOGY DOOG HERE>
09:42:47 <nooga> σ
09:45:02 <thematrixeatsyou> Baa, badassed areas!
09:45:02 <thematrixeatsyou> Jarheads' arses
09:45:02 <thematrixeatsyou> queasy nude adverbs!
09:45:02 <thematrixeatsyou> Dare address abase adder? *bares baser dadas* HA!
09:45:02 <thematrixeatsyou> Equalize, add bezique, bra emblaze.
09:45:03 <thematrixeatsyou> He (quezal), aeons liable. Label lilac "bulla," ocean sauce!
09:45:05 <thematrixeatsyou> Ends, addends,
09:45:07 <thematrixeatsyou> duodena sounded amends.
09:45:09 <thematrixeatsyou> i love that one
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10:25:38 <thematrixeatsyou> how do you program a turing machine? i think i know but please email me at thematrixeatsyou@yahoo.co.nz - going to bed now so ciao
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15:39:16 <RodgerTheGreat> howdy.
15:42:22 <pikhq> 5aluton.
16:01:20 <ihope|poof> 5 = s?
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16:01:35 <ihope> Well, then, h3llo.
16:02:08 <pikhq> My brain has left my body now that my LUG presentation is in the past.
16:03:04 <ihope> An OOBE?
16:05:02 <pikhq> I dunno.
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16:11:32 <pikhq> Hey, Gregor.
16:11:49 <pikhq> People at my LUG think you're crazy now. ;0
16:11:51 <pikhq> s/0/)/
16:12:06 <GregorR-W> *shock*
16:12:20 <pikhq> They also think I'm crazy, so. . .
16:12:41 <pikhq> "Windows 5X more expensive then OS X", according to Digg. . .
16:13:10 <GregorR-W> Apple computer 10x more expensive than IA PC clone according to anyone with a brain.
16:13:11 <pikhq> OS X is ooX more expensive than Linux. ;)
16:19:13 <ihope> ooX?
16:19:45 <pikhq> oo == infinity.
16:23:20 <GregorR-W> pikhq can't type ∞ :)
16:24:01 <pikhq> Can't see it, either; no UTF-8.
16:24:13 <GregorR-W> Loooooooooooooooooooooooser
16:24:29 <pikhq> Just need to get off my ass.
16:24:40 <pikhq> Stupid donkey. :p
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19:24:16 <nooga> najazd zlych mocy!
19:24:24 <GregorR-W> ARRR
19:24:28 <GregorR-W> SPEAK ENGLISH
19:24:29 <GregorR-W> :P
19:25:20 <nooga> it was almost english
19:25:41 <nooga> only "eng" section was changed to "pol"
19:26:05 <nooga> "invasion of bad forces" ;]
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20:20:48 <nooga> GregorR-W: what r u hacking currently?
20:54:24 <nooga> l;/
20:55:32 <GregorR-W> i r not hacking english roflcopter
20:55:38 <GregorR-W> Primarily DirectNet.
20:55:42 <GregorR-W> Protov2 is so close I can smell it.
20:56:05 <nooga> !?
20:56:08 <EgoBot> Huh?
20:56:11 <GregorR-W> lol
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20:56:20 <GregorR-W> !EgoBot interprets everything that starts with a ! :P
20:56:20 <nooga> But what exactly *IS* protov2?
20:56:24 * EgoBot interprets everything that starts with a ! :P
20:56:32 <GregorR-W> It's the second version of the protocol ...
20:56:36 <GregorR-W> proto v2
20:56:45 <GregorR-W> It has many, vast improvements.
20:56:53 <GregorR-W> Including reduction of search complexity to O(logn)
20:57:10 <nooga> But what exactly *IS* english roflcopter? :D
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20:57:48 <GregorR-W> X_X
20:57:58 <nooga> But what exactly *IS* CakeProphet?
20:58:03 <nooga> But what exactly *IS*
20:58:05 <nooga> ;d
20:58:41 <CakeProphet> >.>
20:59:20 <CakeProphet> I am a being of no realities... of basket fruit that has none... of grapes and oranges and delictable punishable wafers... of annoying silence and calming cacophony.
20:59:44 <nooga> But what exactly *IS* annoying silence?
21:00:16 <nooga> ^o``.
21:00:22 <nooga> TTQAQ
21:00:36 <nooga> ^v`^^
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21:03:13 <nooga> aaaa
21:03:16 <nooga> he's gone
21:04:30 <GregorR-W> Gee.
21:04:32 <GregorR-W> I wonder why.
21:04:53 <nooga> But what exactly *IS* No route to host?
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21:05:52 <GregorR-W> But what exactly *IS* /ignore *!*@*.rev.inter-c.pl
21:06:42 <nooga> feel free, i've got bilions of shell accounts all over the world :>
21:09:55 <nooga> sniff
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21:12:58 <pikhq> !cat < pikhq> EgoBot has t3h cat.
21:13:02 <EgoBot> < pikhq> EgoBot has t3h cat.
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21:13:18 <GregorR-W> !EgoBot never forgets ... except when it does.
21:13:22 * EgoBot never forgets ... except when it does.
21:14:27 <pikhq> !glass {M[m(_o)O!"I always forget."(_o)o.?]}
21:14:30 <EgoBot> I always forget.
21:16:25 <pikhq> !ps
21:16:28 <EgoBot> 3 pikhq: ps
21:17:47 <pikhq> !daemon glacat glass {M[m(_i)I!(_o)O!(_i)i.?/(_o)o.?(_i)i.?\]}
21:17:51 <pikhq> !glacat Testing.
21:18:04 <GregorR-W> You have no condition for your loop.
21:18:09 <pikhq> Again.
21:18:14 <GregorR-W> Or rather, what you have as a condition is unlikely what you intended to be a condition ;)
21:18:53 <pikhq> !daemon glacat glass {M[m(_i)I!(_o)O!(_l)<1>=/(_l)(_o)o.?(_i)i.?\]}
21:18:57 <pikhq> !glacat Testing.
21:19:12 <pikhq> !ps d
21:19:20 <pikhq> !undaemon glacat
21:19:30 <pikhq> I killed it?
21:21:39 <GregorR-W> >_<
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21:22:27 <GregorR-W> Should come back in a min
21:22:42 <pikhq> I've got it down to an art.
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21:23:11 <GregorR-W> Whoops, one sec ^^
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21:56:22 <nooga> oooo uuu ooo uuu
21:56:55 <nooga> is it a bad idea to compile glass to JVM bytecode? :D
21:58:46 <GregorR-W> As I recall, somebody was actually working on that.
21:58:59 <GregorR-W> A long time ago in a galaxy far far awayl
21:59:58 <nooga> how abous CIL ?
22:00:01 <nooga> about*
22:00:18 <GregorR-W> fizzie was doing Java bytecode it seems.
22:00:20 <GregorR-W> Nah, nothing on CIL.
22:00:53 <nooga> why not use Mono
22:01:21 <GregorR-W> Because I had intended on not getting sued by M$.
22:01:45 <nooga> bah
22:02:09 <GregorR-W> Also because C# sucks.
22:02:37 <nooga> there will be glass instead of C#
22:02:54 <GregorR-W> lol
22:14:27 <nooga> yeah
22:26:55 <fizzie> I was, but then I got distracted.
22:27:47 <pikhq> Glass to Brainfuck!
22:29:38 <RodgerTheGreat> hm.
22:38:44 <nooga> fizzie: why?
22:39:38 <nooga> ah nvm g2g
22:39:42 <nooga> bye
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23:46:11 <CakeProphet> So... I've got the greatest idea in the world...
23:46:25 <CakeProphet> Check this bit of code out.
23:47:01 <CakeProphet> If lol != False:
23:47:03 <CakeProphet> lol = True
23:47:56 <RodgerTheGreat> nice syntax
23:48:06 <CakeProphet> Syn....tax?
23:48:08 <RodgerTheGreat> reminds me of BASIC
23:48:12 <CakeProphet> It's Python.
23:48:21 <RodgerTheGreat> in fact, it IS valid BASIC
23:48:24 <pikhq> What? Are you using a version of bools which has three choices?
23:48:32 <CakeProphet> Yup.
23:48:34 <pikhq> It's psuedo-Python.
23:48:38 * CakeProphet shakes his head.
23:48:40 <CakeProphet> No..
23:48:43 <CakeProphet> It works in Python.
23:48:50 <pikhq> If shouldn't be capitalised. . .
23:49:00 <CakeProphet> In Python the true and false are capitalize.
23:49:07 <CakeProphet> d
23:49:19 <CakeProphet> Makes sense to me...
23:49:29 <pikhq> But not if.
23:49:34 <CakeProphet> oooh
23:49:38 <CakeProphet> Yeah... didn't notice that.
23:50:09 <CakeProphet> I'm waay too comfortable with Python... any other language's syntax makes me cringe.
23:50:59 <GregorR-W> Python + end block keyword = nice syntax.
23:51:03 <GregorR-W> Python as is = painful
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23:52:22 <CakeProphet> end block keyword?
23:52:25 <CakeProphet> You mean like }?
23:52:56 <CakeProphet> Eh... it probably just makes sense to me because I'm used to it... indent is way easier to read than all those ugly braces ^_^
23:54:07 <GregorR-W> I have no problem with the indentation.
23:54:17 <GregorR-W> Only that you can end an arbitrary number of blocks with no keywords or symbols.
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