< 1156118881 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1156118881 0 :clog!n=nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1156119400 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SYNTHESIS, eh? < 1156119488 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: pingness < 1156119508 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pongitude. < 1156119556 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does EgoBot do to interpreters on !eof? < 1156119556 0 :EgoBot!n=EgoBot@c-24-21-138-66.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1156119572 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: It closes the pipe from EgoBot. < 1156119615 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION really, really is starting to hate GCC < 1156119625 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it'd probably be easy to handle EOF as a special case... < 1156119628 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is really, really starting to love GCC. < 1156119639 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: Trivial. if (feof(stdin)) < 1156119664 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My new language invents two new "characters", and one of them is EOF. < 1156119682 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear, somewhere in the code of it, there is a "if(code_is_valid()) {give_error_about_code}" statement. :p < 1156119708 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other one is "beginning of data", which is the only character which can't be output. < 1156119711 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (pikhq_does_not_understand_subtle_failure_in_code()) { give_error_about_code(); } < 1156119731 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I'm quite probably not noticing something really stupid. . . < 1156119746 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going to bitch and moan while I take a long break from it. ;) < 1156119762 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the interim, watch my cool DHT animation: < 1156119767 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://directnet.sourceforge.net/dht.avi < 1156119812 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only there were a "Pikhq C" spec (which is merely exactly how I *think* C works). :p < 1156119870 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, the spec for Thubi is probably much longer than it needs to be... < 1156119910 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Thubi doin'? < 1156119977 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thubi doin' this: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Thubi < 1156120053 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds Thubi to the language list < 1156120065 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right above Thue. < 1156120178 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1156120200 0 :RodgerTheGreat!n=RodgerTh@c-68-41-14-137.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1156120214 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1156120432 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ello. < 1156120782 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1156120880 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just continues to bitch & moan for a bi < 1156120911 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bi? < 1156120927 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit. < 1156120932 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1156121113 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typo or Freudian slip? You decide! < 1156121240 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vote he meant ``bf''. < 1156121277 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would anyone bitch and moan for a BF? There are tons. < 1156121298 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're missing the AOLer slang here. < 1156121322 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bitch & moan" = wait? < 1156121336 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Look at ``bf''. < 1156121347 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best friend? < 1156121352 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1156121363 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. I never thought someone would be worse than me in internet slang. < 1156121383 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm proud not to know AOL slang, myself. < 1156121404 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorta proud that I'm negligent to all slang everywhere, even though I'm a teenager. < 1156121418 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old are you? < 1156121420 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand but don't use a single bit of it. < 1156121423 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16. Yupz. < 1156121428 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool. < 1156121454 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I chafe when someone uses a `z' to imply a plural to look ``cool'', it's not cool, it's improper English bub. < 1156121620 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been known to make use of 13375P3/-\|< upon occasion, but I normally do so for humorous effec. < 1156121630 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fuxX0r" and the like. < 1156121672 0 :CXII!n=Sanity@dialup-29.88.221.203.acc50-kent-syd.comindico.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1156121696 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My laughs are all mimicable noises (``Heh'', ``Meh'') and I use emotes because I think English needs attitudnals (or mimesis). < 1156121729 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree. < 1156121761 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"KEKEKE" and "Nya" are two of my least favorite internet phrases. < 1156121772 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't actually words, because words convey meaning. < 1156121853 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they come from Japanese mimesis. < 1156121878 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kekeke is the traditional Japanese laugh, and Nya is a particle used by women to sound more feminine/cute. < 1156121890 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/particle/mimesis/ < 1156122114 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1156122921 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION curses at strcpy < 1156123059 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you used strcpy in your code, I will personally hunt you down and kill you. < 1156123105 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use it, use it! < 1156123119 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, emotes are primarily useful as another way to convey your emotional context, just like emoticons. They're vital to proper interpretation of people's words in the absence of vocal tone. < 1156123170 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the plural of mimesis mimeses? < 1156123183 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think so, logically. < 1156123241 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean Latinally? < 1156123246 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1156123248 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a Japanese scientific text, you'd read something like ``The wings make the sound of *kya kya*'' or something similar. It's considered proper Japanese and a shame that it's not proper English. < 1156123264 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Know a better way of copying one string to another? If you do, thank God; I'm sick of this. < 1156123270 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strncpy < 1156123279 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strcpy is not only a bad way of doing it, but an insecure way of doing it. < 1156123279 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gasps audibly. < 1156123290 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Srncpy! The Lord has Come! < 1156123293 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which was proven by my segfault. < 1156123307 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't use C if you don't know C -_- < 1156123310 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean hi. < 1156123319 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm *learning* it. < 1156123331 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is boring and not fun at all. < 1156123345 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is more fun. < 1156123350 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thubi is the most fun. < 1156123351 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because years after it was made people realized how bad the basic functions are. < 1156123352 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. How does strncpy help when you don't know the size of the string to be copied until runtime? < 1156123357 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is fantastic, both logical and well-oriented to the system. < 1156123372 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: guess < 1156123387 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't seem very. . . robust. . . < 1156123392 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, you can store the input in a dynamic buffer and use the size of that to get input. < 1156123462 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strncpy helps because you can pass that length into the copying function, yeesh. < 1156123492 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dynamic buffers are the real way its done. < 1156123503 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What'd you think pikhq ? Input resizes for you automagically? < 1156123513 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would strncpy(foo, bar, strlen(bar)) be considered abusive? < 1156123524 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More just ridiculous. < 1156123533 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you having a segfault? Did you misallocate foo? < 1156123565 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X: I'm jumping from Tcl, a high-level language which is much, much closer to Lisp than C, to C. . . < 1156123583 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Quite probably. :/ < 1156123686 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why not just use the indestructible languages? :-) < 1156123709 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to learn C. < 1156123743 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole point of this excercise is learning C; if I use Tcl or Lisp, then I don't do what I set out to do. < 1156123794 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you trying to write in your effort to learn C < 1156123795 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1156123811 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like you're setting your goal a bit high for your first C program ... < 1156123821 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not my first. . . < 1156123831 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a very early effort. < 1156123833 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firstish? :-P < 1156123845 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's amature-level coding, at least < 1156123852 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pastebin.ca/ < 1156123865 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to write a mildly sophisticated Brainfuck compiler. . . < 1156124015 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. Now I'm to the point where I figured I'd have issues. . . < 1156124058 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compiler? < 1156124102 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. . . Yes. . . < 1156124146 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How sophisticated? < 1156124174 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the moment, not at all. < 1156124188 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just got framework in place for it to be sophisticated. < 1156124200 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's "increment, increment, increment"? < 1156124221 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. . . < 1156124302 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realises that the chunk of code that's segfaulting doesn't even need to be in there, anyways < 1156124637 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great. *Now* it's somehow segfaulting in fprintf. . . < 1156124655 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's fprintf do? < 1156124664 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know printf is a formatted print, but... < 1156124667 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fprintf(out, "#include \n"); < 1156124678 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It outputs to a file descriptor. . . < 1156124691 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is out not a valid file descriptor or something? < 1156124709 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not. < 1156124718 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe the arguments are in the wrong order? :-) < 1156124731 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot to check for validity of file descriptors. x_x < 1156124851 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahah. < 1156124874 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The file to be written to hasn't been made yet. x_x < 1156125993 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PASTEBIN DAMN IT < 1156126009 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean hi. < 1156126225 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We all do. < 1156126234 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slurks (sic) < 1156127167 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone here read xkcd? http://xkcd.com/index.html < 1156129163 0 :jix__!i=jix@L6304.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1156129647 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1156129656 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AH there... moved my concept to PlayGround. < 1156129664 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It now has its own page ^_^ < 1156131021 0 :ihope_!n=foo@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1156131216 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes ihope_ < 1156131237 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a neato programming language idea.. so neato I've actually made a page for it. < 1156131240 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the eso-wiki < 1156131858 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1156132402 0 :jix__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1156132628 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know what EFAULT or "Bad address" means from fopen? < 1156132658 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :``man fopen'' < 1156132670 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fopen(3) does not enlighten. < 1156132684 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google. < 1156132709 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Missed a few lines in the man page. < 1156132711 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x_x < 1156132808 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : EFAULT pathname points outside your accessible address space. < 1156132830 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That. . . doesn't mean anything. . . < 1156133983 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you now understand the horrible amount of masochism C really is? < 1156134001 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's worse than most Esolangs by a long shot. < 1156134038 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1156136564 0 :Arrogant!i=Scott@82.orlando-09-10rs.fl.dial-access.att.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1156137187 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/comics/join_myspace.png < 1156137204 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love xkcd. < 1156137325 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later, everyone. I need some sleep. < 1156137387 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :RodgerTheZzzzz < 1156138174 0 :CXI!i=Sanity@dialup-183.88.221.203.acc50-kent-syd.comindico.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1156139270 0 :CXII!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1156140614 0 :thematrixeatsyou!n=thematri@222-152-241-78.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1156140659 0 :thematrixeatsyou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :start evilplan.exe /init obuscated_greetings < 1156141089 0 :thematrixeatsyou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION quit IRC (yeah right) < 1156141485 0 :anonfunc!n=pimaniac@bdsl.66.13.199.202.gte.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1156141497 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1156144895 0 :Sph1nx!n=sphinx@89-178-101-102.broadband.corbina.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1156145045 0 :lament!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1156145671 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not put the Gregor. < 1156145868 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :" Like VS.net's GUI? Then try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-" < 1156146726 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1156147023 0 :thematrixeatsyou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Eating food, ciao" < 1156147151 0 :ivan`!i=ivan@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1156147199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1156147200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1156148127 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-" < 1156149182 0 :ivan`!i=ivan@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1156149789 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1156149789 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1156149789 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1156149791 0 :RodgerTheZzzzz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1156149791 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1156149791 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1156149792 0 :Anders!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1156149792 0 :sekhmet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1156149928 0 :Anders!i=anders@h33n1fls35o1106.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1156149940 0 :Sph1nx!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1156149979 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1156149991 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1156149991 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1156149991 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1156150011 0 :EgoBot!n=EgoBot@c-24-21-138-66.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1156150047 0 :RodgerTheGreat!n=RodgerTh@c-68-41-14-137.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1156150088 0 :lindi-!n=lindi@kulho150.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1156150089 0 :sekhmet!n=pez@ppp-70-226-129-243.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1156150093 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@124.48.237.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1156150093 0 :lament!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1156150337 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1156150338 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1156150406 0 :CXI!i=Sanity@dialup-183.88.221.203.acc50-kent-syd.comindico.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1156150538 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-f33ee155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1156150692 0 :lindi-!n=lindi@kulho150.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1156151029 0 :ivan`!i=ivan@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1156151033 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@24.21.138.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1156151038 0 :ihope_!n=foo@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1156151044 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ihope < 1156152211 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1156154347 0 :CXII!n=Sanity@dialup-238.88.221.203.acc50-kent-syd.comindico.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1156155466 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1156160323 0 :CXII!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CXI < 1156163677 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION attempts to counter-poke CakeProphet < 1156163681 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fails < 1156164351 0 :jix!i=jix@L6304.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1156165633 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1156166425 0 :jix!i=jix@L6304.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1156167324 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1156168010 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION less than gently curses at fopen < 1156169727 0 :CXII!n=Sanity@dialup-198.89.221.203.acc50-kent-syd.comindico.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1156170251 0 :Keymaker!n=nobody@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1156170812 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1156171137 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the committee has the pool of tasks finished? :) < 1156171203 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way.. < 1156171228 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is befunge-98 (which is used in the competition) basically befunge-93 but has infinite area? < 1156171451 0 :CXII!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CXI < 1156172783 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"If you're reading this, it's probably xchat's fault." < 1156174814 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are the cheaty "jump" and "set IP delta" commands. < 1156174821 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the whole module system. < 1156174826 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's "Funge-98", isn't it? < 1156174907 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know.. < 1156174926 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't find the specs anywhere! < 1156174959 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:Fg0Q7nFPKOUJ:catseye.mine.nu:8080/projects/funge98/doc/funge98.html < 1156176391 0 :CXI!n=Sanity@dialup-189.88.221.203.acc50-kent-syd.comindico.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1156176664 0 :GregorR-W!n=chatzill@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1156177988 0 :kipple!n=kipple@203.80-202-102.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1156178039 0 :Sph1nx!n=sphinx@89-178-13-233.broadband.corbina.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1156178387 0 :Sph1nx!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"До свидания всем!" < 1156179923 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :c_plus_plus_rawx < 1156180160 0 :c_plus_plus_rawx!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR-W < 1156180650 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1156181259 0 :Keymaker!n=nobody@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1156182519 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1156184336 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Committee members should join ##quantum right now. Thank you ^^ < 1156186165 0 :EgoBot!n=EgoBot@c-24-21-138-66.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1156186350 0 :Sph1nx!n=sphinx@89-178-13-233.broadband.corbina.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1156186394 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1156186397 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help ps kill i eof flush show ls bf_txtgen usertrig daemon undaemon < 1156186399 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1l 2l adjust axo bch bf{8,[16],32,64} funge93 fyb fybs glass glypho kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 unlambda whirl < 1156186400 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps d < 1156186403 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 EgoBot: daemon cat reload < 1156186405 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 EgoBot: daemon EgoBot reload < 1156186406 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 GregorR-W: ps < 1156186414 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!EgoBot keeps getting abused :( < 1156186417 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keeps getting abused :( < 1156186420 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!EgoBot keeps getting abused :( < 1156186423 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION keeps getting abused :( < 1156186888 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!EgoBot is #esoteric's bitch < 1156186890 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is #esoteric's bitch < 1156187399 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1156187484 0 :Sph1nx!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1156187562 0 :lindi-!n=lindi@kulho150.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1156187977 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!Egobot wants to have fun with Snakes on a Plane < 1156187980 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1156187990 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!EgoBot wants to have fun with Snakes on a Plane < 1156187992 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to have fun with Snakes on a Plane < 1156188053 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.donotputthebaby.com/index.php?s=Snakes < 1156188136 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now, I've got one huge-ass major issue with my Brainfuck compiler. . . < 1156188152 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The input file and the output file are switched. < 1156188171 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's fairly major. < 1156188261 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow, I pass the function compile a pointer to the input file and a string with the output file. Somehow, it tries reading from the output and writing to the input. < 1156188416 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I step through it by hand, and I just can't figure it out. < 1156193390 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h98.227.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1156193941 0 :ihope!n=foo@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1156195121 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quantum INTERCAL doesn't look right. < 1156195158 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you have a register that's both 1 and 3 in Quantum INTERCAL, and you output the register, both 1 and 3 are printed? < 1156195235 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would definitely fall under the category "not right" < 1156195316 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. And that spec doesn't mention angles at all. < 1156196998 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1156197198 0 :kipple!n=kipple@203.80-202-102.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1156197276 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://directnet.sourceforge.net/255dht.avi ... that is all. < 1156197305 0 :kipple_!n=kipple@203.80-202-102.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1156197322 0 :kipple_!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1156197419 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor- wtf is that? < 1156197456 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a DirectNet DHT forming :P < 1156197461 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1156197470 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's my accomplishment for this weekend :P < 1156197484 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive. < 1156198854 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO... < 1156198867 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to try coding in IRP. < 1156198911 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR: Coder not of sufficient intelligence. < 1156198941 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1156198950 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1156198995 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SYNTAX ERROR. ABORT, RETRY, FAIL? > < 1156199006 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1156199017 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SYNTAX ERROR. ABORT, RETRY, FAIL? > < 1156199025 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone please input "lol" to this channel as long as the number 1 is equal to the number 1? < 1156199038 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheheh < 1156199046 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: compiler aneurism. < 1156199048 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case you didn't notice, I refuted the "IRP is TC" argument on the wiki. < 1156199104 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollol < 1156199114 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-W: you forgot one thing: there can be an infinite number of human CPU's running code in a room, providing potentially unlimited program and memory space. < 1156199149 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that with sufficient coordinated IRP interpreters running, you could do anything. < 1156199151 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is IRP a tape? < 1156199158 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRP is not a tape. < 1156199170 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO its.... a basket? < 1156199179 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a series of tubes. < 1156199183 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about using it as a multiprocessing environment. < 1156199188 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hahahahahahahahahahahahahas < 1156199203 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, we know for sure it's not a truck that you can just- that you can just dump something on. < 1156199216 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THat makes me want to make a programming language that works like a series of tubes and call it "the internet" < 1156199234 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just dumped something into my tubes < 1156199246 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gags* < 1156199258 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: remember that massive, MASSIVE amounts of data could clog the tubes. < 1156199274 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1156199280 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bittorrent is several terabytes per second of traffic < 1156199284 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tubes seem to be working fine < 1156199303 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what googles traffic is. < 1156199303 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and delay the delivery of internets to your office until yesterday when sent on friday. < 1156199397 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd estimate google's doing about an exabyte a day of web traffic < 1156199425 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their crawler's probably doing about as much < 1156199432 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe less < 1156199473 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should publish their webalizer stats. heh. < 1156199585 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er. petabytes. sorry. < 1156199608 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A petabytes? < 1156199616 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one petabytes please < 1156199637 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so big, you should always pluralize it < 1156199660 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :petabyte... sounds like a children's food. < 1156199693 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be pediabyte. < 1156199734 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An encyclopedia for children would be called Pediapedia. < 1156199900 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION edits Wikipedia. < 1156199901 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1156199922 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fuuuuuun.... and I'm pretty sure it's Turing complete... which kind of scares me.... < 1156199937 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia is Turing-complete, you're saying? < 1156199944 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible. < 1156199955 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... the MediaWiki program.. rather < 1156200028 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean.. it has a bunch of control flow statement-like templates... so it can do logic... < 1156200261 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it do infinite loops? < 1156200279 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1156200312 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can do infinite loops, math, and store variables, you can create a turing-complete system. < 1156200352 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ParserFunctions < 1156200358 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the basic components don't have to include infinite loops, math, or variables. < 1156200406 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there are several ways to be turing complete. < 1156200407 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if you had a template that had itself as part of the template... < 1156200426 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursive function calls can simulate looping- that could work. < 1156200445 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses recursive function calls all the time for loops ;) < 1156200463 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any way to store variables, though? < 1156200473 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure you'd want to do that... it might bog the server down a lot. < 1156200480 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: won't work. The sub-template won't get substituted. < 1156200503 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: variables can be simulated using state transformers. < 1156200508 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then make two identical templates... and have one substitute one to the other and vice versa. < 1156200545 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functions that take local variables and return their new values, that is. < 1156200553 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I don't think that'd work, either. < 1156200565 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They probably have guards against that anyways. < 1156200589 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To prevent people from.. uh... fucking up the server that way :D < 1156200591 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once managed to get a < 1156200601 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we can't do infinite loops, can we do finite ones? For... Next and the like? < 1156200610 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup... it'd be possible if it didn't lock it. < 1156200613 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looped code can often be unrolled... < 1156200630 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... I think it has some kind of for functionality. < 1156200651 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for n = 1 to 100000000000000000000 < 1156200652 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could simulate a LOT of infinite loops with for... next's. < 1156200757 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can a language be turing-complete if it has a finite cycle limit that *can* be as high as you want? < 1156200782 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... it has a BoolHash template... not sure what that does though. < 1156200835 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it does have functions, boolean crap, and logic gates...... but functions aren't even nessicary for turing completeness... < 1156200865 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all you really need is something to build basic math from, and you can simulate most conditionals. < 1156200883 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the reverse, constructing math from conditionals. < 1156200931 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.. no idea how you could simulate a conditional. < 1156200950 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh, so glad you asked. < 1156200961 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read a paper on the subject. < 1156200984 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a simple example. < 1156200986 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-.- < 1156200989 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do tell... < 1156201001 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say we want to do a series of things if Q is 1: < 1156201011 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't predict how many cycles a program will take until it's done. < 1156201029 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So for a language to be Turing complete you cannot have a finite cycle limit. < 1156201033 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable+= Q*(value) < 1156201045 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also can't predict the future in general. < 1156201045 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: fair enough < 1156201047 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods sagely. < 1156201081 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can predict the future, given complete data, but in practice it would generally take slower than realtime to figure out. < 1156201098 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o < 1156201119 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: That's working under classical mechanics. < 1156201136 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels inferior in this discussion. < 1156201185 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum mechanics, to me, are only based on probabilistic calculations because we don't yet completely understand the mechanics underlying them. I am a firm proponent of an ultimately mechanical universe. < 1156201249 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many complex systems appear to defy mechanical thinking when their workings are not fully explored. < 1156201250 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The universe is magical... there... no need to explain it. < 1156201255 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1156201261 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps CakeProphet. < 1156201261 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Yeah, I can agree with that. < 1156201275 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you. < 1156201312 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gravity looks neato. < 1156201426 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: under the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, there's no randomness involved. < 1156201431 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wishes he had the know-how to make a "fuzzy programming language" < 1156201441 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't really control it... but it works... sometimes < 1156201445 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1156201465 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuzzy? < 1156201470 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1156201492 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not fuzzy logic... although that'd be fun too (A "maybe" boolean) < 1156201520 0 :sparr!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sparrwork < 1156201554 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diffrent levels of truth < 1156201610 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, false, surely true, surely false... < 1156201664 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language would be called "sometimes"... and it would be as reliable as I am... < 1156201691 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, maybe, no. < 1156201709 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would definetely be nondeterministic. < 1156201805 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An "almost true" boolean.. for when things are just sooooo close to be the correct value./ < 1156201844 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with yes, maybe, no? < 1156201858 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would then spawn things such as "if x is more true than y" to see which one is just more almost true than the other. < 1156201870 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would actually have applications for not-so-definite systems. < 1156201893 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to write a scripting language based loosely on Glass but with less horrible. < 1156201955 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... maybe useful for language parsing.... < 1156201977 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could comparse if the word stated is more true with one value than the other... and whatnot. < 1156202106 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a lot of languages can handle uncertainty... so that would be.. hmm.. difficult to create effectively. < 1156203502 0 :sparr_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glass, now with less horrible! < 1156204332 0 :CXII!i=Sanity@dialup-96.88.221.203.acc50-kent-syd.comindico.com.au JOIN :#esoteric