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00:09:40 <EgoBot> I hope this got carried over from the other Egobot session.
00:09:47 <pikhq> Hah.
00:09:58 <GregorR-W> Daemons have an associated channel.
00:10:07 <pikhq> Just figured that out.
00:11:00 <EgoBot> Interchatroomal communication!
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00:17:38 <EgoBot> CakeProphet: EGOBOT WANT SEX
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00:18:40 <CakeProphet> >.>
00:18:44 <RodgerTheGreat> :S
00:19:13 <CakeProphet> Hmmm... oh dear.. I need to find an application for parabolas and make a problem out of it...
00:19:23 <CakeProphet> Give me a problem or something... that's easy to draw  :D
00:19:49 <pikhq> d/dx(x^2). Have fun.
00:20:51 * pikhq laughs evilly
00:24:38 * CakeProphet doesn't get it.
00:24:55 <CakeProphet> Well, I need a real life application... which confounds me slightly.
00:24:57 <pikhq> Find the derivative of x^2.
00:25:26 <pikhq> Should be easy for at least *some* people in here. . .
00:25:57 <GregorR-W> ...
00:26:06 <pikhq> Although, since you're working on algebra homework, I'm just being a dick by talking calculus. XD
00:26:18 <GregorR-W> It's CLEARLY (1/3)x^3
00:27:06 <pikhq> GregorR-W: I'm afraid you're going to owe me a new keyboard if you keep that up.
00:27:53 <GregorR-W> You're right, it's (1/12)x^4
00:28:15 <pikhq> Yup. You owe me a new keyboard.
00:28:35 <pikhq> CakeProphet: For the record, it's really i^(2x*pi).
00:28:45 <Asztal> GregorR-W: You're SO wrong.
00:28:46 <Asztal> Plus a constant!
00:28:48 <Asztal> :D
00:29:49 <GregorR-W> Asztal: Damn, I was hoping nobody would notice!
00:30:04 <GregorR-W> It's actually (1/12)x^4+Ax+B where A and B are constants
00:31:47 <pikhq> (yay, confusing young students!)
00:33:02 <Asztal> Fiddlesticks
00:33:16 <Asztal> I just realised this algorithm totally isn't going to work with negative numbers
00:37:22 <fizzie> I thought d/dx x^2 was \rho ( \frac{\partial u_\phi}{\partial t} + u_r \frac{\partial u_\phi}{\partial r} + \frac{u_r u_\phi}{r} + \frac{u_\theta}{r} \frac{\partial u_\phi}{\partial \theta} + \frac{u_\theta u_\phi \cot \theta}{r} + \frac{u_\phi}{r sin \theta} \frac{\partial u_\phi}{\partial \phi} )
00:37:38 <fizzie> No, wait... that's the beginning of one of the Navier-Stokes equations in spherical coordinates.
00:38:03 <pikhq> d/dx x^2 != d/dx x^2.
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00:38:23 <fizzie> (Ok, ok, it was shamelessly stolen from http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/Navier-StokesEquations.html -- though I think we did do that particular coordinate conversion as an exercise.)
00:38:36 <pikhq> fizzie: I'm going to kill you, steal your brain, and use it for my next calculus test.
00:38:49 <pikhq> An objections?
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00:38:56 <pikhq> s/An/Any/
00:39:11 <fizzie> No objections, if you really want to, but I wouldn't recommend it: I don't really know the stuff.
00:39:48 <pikhq> So, I'll just have to get As on the tests by myself.
00:39:50 <pikhq> Fair enough.
00:46:48 <CakeProphet> Hey, what's the mathematical method for finding the parabolic path of an object that is being pulled around by a planets gravity?
00:47:09 <CakeProphet> Like a comet being "spun back around" in a parabolic path.
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01:09:36 <ihope> I don't suppose there's an existing channel anywhere that's about quantum mechanics.
01:09:42 <ihope> Other than ##quantum here, I mean.
01:10:39 <Asztal> ###quantum?
01:13:07 <ihope> Any channels bigger than ###quantum?
01:14:18 <Asztal> I'm assuming you don't mean "longer name" by bigger :P
01:16:41 <ihope> Correct.
01:23:03 <pikhq> http://www.foxnews.com/index.html Fox, meet 1997 web design.
01:23:51 <ihope> ?
01:24:46 <pikhq> I'm accusing them of having paid some out-of-work web "developers" from 1997, using Frontpage, for their website.
01:26:44 <ihope> I don't know what '97 looked like, but that doesn't match my idea of '97.
01:27:00 <pikhq> Yeah, you're right. '97 looked better.
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01:27:13 <pikhq> Until you looked at the source, that is.
01:27:20 <ihope> I thought '97 was red-on-cyan and stuff.
01:27:33 <pikhq> HTML3.2. *shudder*
01:27:42 <ihope> With source that could have been written in Notepad.
01:27:57 <ihope> Using <p> and <h1> and all that stuff.
01:28:22 <pikhq> ihope: You. . . *do* realise that HTML written in a text editor ends up usually being a bit more sane, right?
01:29:02 <ihope> Yes.
01:29:04 <RodgerTheGreat> wait, wait, are you saying that there are tools other than text-editors for working with HTML?
01:29:13 <pikhq> RodgerTheGreat: Sadly, yes.
01:29:25 <RodgerTheGreat> bullshit.
01:30:24 <ihope> That's exactly what I meant by source that could have been written in Notepad.
01:30:48 <pikhq> Sadly, there are also tools other than a command line for manipulating one's computer.
01:30:51 <pikhq> ihope: Ah.
01:31:09 <ihope> <html><head><title>oogity</title></head><body bgcolor="cyan"><font color="red">boogity</font></body></html>
01:31:31 <ihope> Hmm, I better abruptly go.
01:31:33 * ihope aprubtly goes
01:31:54 <feesh> <font> should be sent to the hell it came from
01:33:04 <pikhq> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
01:33:07 <pikhq> <html>
01:33:11 <pikhq> <head>
01:33:19 <pikhq> <title>Oogity!</title>
01:33:21 <pikhq> </head>
01:34:13 <pikhq> <body style="background: cyan">
01:34:17 <Asztal> <p>lalalallalalaaaaa</p>
01:34:34 <pikhq> <span style="color: red">boogity</span
01:34:50 <pikhq> >
01:34:58 <pikhq> </body>
01:35:02 <pikhq> </html>
01:35:11 <feesh> forgot to set an encoding
01:36:02 <pikhq> -_-'
01:36:16 <feesh> since I can't remember what iso number it is, all my documents are UTF-8 :D
01:36:30 <Asztal> iso-8859-1 :)
01:36:50 <feesh> come on
01:36:52 <feesh> thats like
01:36:57 <feesh> 2 numbers I need to remember
01:37:30 <feesh> I can hardly remember the 14 digit code for money on animal crossing
01:37:56 <pikhq> Assume UTF8 unless I say otherwise.
01:38:14 <feesh> I wish I could tell the webbrowser that too
01:52:24 <pikhq> In XHTML, UTF-8 is the default. ;)
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02:01:27 <ihope> Oh, I implemented Bitwise Cyclic Tag in Microsoft Excel today.
02:01:52 <ihope> I was at school at the time. I don't think the teacher was saying anything important.
02:03:28 <pikhq> Most of BFM was done at school. ;)
02:03:42 <ihope> Was it done in Excel?
02:04:02 <pikhq> No. . .
02:04:04 <pikhq> Tcl.
02:04:13 <pikhq> Mmm. Tcl.
02:04:52 * ihope tcls pikhq with a feather
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03:21:48 <Razor-X> Hello discriminating coders of #esoteric. What's wrong here? --> http://paste.lisp.org/display/26416
03:24:05 <Razor-X> Yeah, it's very very imperative, but that'll change after I get it working.
03:29:41 <GregorR> "What's wrong here?" Answer: It's in Lisp.
03:29:54 <Razor-X> Too beautiful for ya?
03:30:20 <GregorR> Beautiful in a vomitous rage sort of way.
03:30:31 <Razor-X> Ah. You must love your order of precedence rules ;).
03:31:13 <GregorR> Do not love I polish notation.
03:31:54 <Razor-X> Yay! Memorization of useless rules for the win!
03:33:16 <pikhq> I'm quite used to Polish notation. . .
03:33:21 <pikhq> I'm a Tcler. ;)
03:33:48 <Razor-X> It's handy for math.
03:33:53 <Razor-X> Which is pretty much what this is.
03:34:05 <pikhq> It's a type superset of Lambda calculus.
03:34:10 <pikhq> s/type/typed/
03:34:16 <Razor-X> Yes. That too.
03:34:59 <pikhq> And, therefore, any Lisp program is, in effect, math. :p
03:35:14 <Razor-X> It's a typed superset of math.
03:35:38 <pikhq> Hahah.
05:05:31 <lament> math is not in reverse polish notation.
05:08:10 <Razor-X> The 1.5 hour late response :).
05:08:17 <calamari> hehe
05:08:28 <calamari> rpn is fun
05:08:47 * calamari uses it on the hp-48 
05:10:02 <calamari> hmm. should use rpn for my small lang
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05:13:50 <lament> Razor-X: incorrect. Your conversation was 1.5 hour too early.
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05:14:06 <Razor-X> lament: Oh. Sorry.
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11:52:16 <jix> Razor-X: you here?
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16:39:01 <calamari> hi
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17:17:30 <calamari> it seems like it should be possible to parse RPN using yacc.. but it seems much easier to handle infix.. it automatically stays balanced
17:26:05 <calamari> ahh, got it :)  thanks google
17:27:02 <lament> the best way to parse RPN is the Forth way.
17:28:25 <calamari> I'm not really familiar with Forth.. what do you mean?
17:29:08 <lament> forth has the simplest parsing ever.
17:29:26 <lament> it takes the next word from the stream, words being tokens separated by whitespace.
17:29:43 <lament> and decides, based on that word, what it's gonna do next.
17:29:57 <lament> so the only parsing involved is determining whether a character is a space or not.
17:30:06 <calamari> ahh, but I'm trying to use yacc
17:30:25 <lament> and the cool thing about Forth is that Forth commands can affect parser behavior
17:30:29 <lament> for example
17:30:34 <lament> there's a special word "
17:30:55 <calamari> for strings?
17:30:59 <lament> once Forth encounters that word, the behaviour of the parser changes completely
17:31:11 <calamari> nifty
17:31:12 <lament> now it reads everything up to the next " as one token
17:31:25 <lament> note that " is just a function, you can write your own functions like that.
17:31:43 <lament> extending the parser in arbitrary ways
17:31:50 <lament> another special word is (
17:32:09 <lament> when ( gets executed, it reads off everything until a matching ) and simply discards it.
17:32:14 <lament> so ( blah) is a comment.
17:32:28 <calamari> cool, I think I have it.. will have to check for conflicts:
17:32:55 <calamari> expr -> num | expr num + | expr num - | num expr + | num expr -
17:33:11 <calamari> (very simplified of course)
17:33:19 * lament doesn't get it
17:33:48 <calamari> an expression can be a number, or an expression followed by a number followed by + or ...
17:33:56 <lament> what's an expression, in RPN?
17:34:05 <lament> no such thing :)
17:34:06 <calamari> 1 2 3 4 + - +
17:34:49 <calamari> that would be e => 1 e + => 1 2 e - + => 1 2 3 e + - + => 1 2 3 4 + - +
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17:43:16 <lament> see, forth avoids those problems completely :)
17:43:37 <pikhq> RPN. :)
17:44:41 <calamari> hmm.. don't think I have it after all
17:44:53 <calamari> I can't seem to form 1 2 3 + 4 - +
17:45:03 <calamari> because the operators are always at the end
17:45:19 <lament> calamari: there's only one way to parse RPN.
17:45:37 <pikhq> calamari: With a stack.
17:46:12 <calamari> so you're saying that a LR(1) parser is incapable of parsing RPN?
17:46:24 <lament> calamari: RPN is already parsed, as long as you can split it into tokens.
17:46:26 <pikhq> Push 1, 2, and 3 onto stack. Do operation "plus" (pops 2 values from stack, add together, and push result).
17:46:30 <jix> expr => expr expr op | number
17:46:39 <pikhq> Push 4 onto stack. Do operation minus, then plus.
17:46:42 <pikhq> Simple, no?
17:46:43 <jix> dunno wether LR(1) can parse that
17:47:00 <jix> but that should be rpn
17:50:00 <calamari> jix: that works! thanks
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19:14:48 <calamari> this lang is looking more like linguine all the time :P
19:33:10 <GregorR-W> Kinda like your FACE
19:39:37 <calamari> was that supposed to make sense?
19:40:03 <GregorR-W> No.
20:00:25 <lament> your FACE was supposed to make sense.
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21:38:13 <GregorR-W> Think about how stupid the average person.  Now realize that if half the people were dumber than that, it would be the median you stupid goddamn bash quoted morons.
21:38:57 <GregorR-W> :P
21:39:49 <lament> GregorR-W: considering that it's not at all unlikely that stupidity is normally distributed, it's quite possible that the median and the mean coincide.
21:41:43 <GregorR-W> I doubt that it's a bell curve.
21:42:40 <lament> well, i guess all those americans shift the weight to the left a bit.
21:43:50 <GregorR-W> American intelligence curve (from least to most): ..,,,---¯¯¯|_____
21:44:59 <lament> more like \
21:45:07 <GregorR-W> Probably ;)
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22:03:51 <RodgerTheGreat> 5 days remaining in the 2006 esolang contest! Who has built/is building something impressive?
22:04:44 <RodgerTheGreat> actually, no- <5 days remaining
22:05:29 <GregorR-W> As if :P
22:05:34 <GregorR-W> Razor-X: Any respondants?
22:06:02 <Asztal> wait. it started?
22:06:23 * RodgerTheGreat pounds his head against a wall.
22:06:43 * GregorR-W pounds RodgerTheGreat's head against a wall.
22:06:54 <RodgerTheGreat> I can do it myself fine, thanks.
22:07:35 * GregorR-W pounds RodgerTheGreat's head against a wall harder.
22:08:52 * RodgerTheGreat stabs GregorR-W, holds a gun against his head, and pulls the trigger. His lifeless corpse makes a feeble gesture of victory before collapsing in a heap. A ghostly voice says "Pwwwnnnz000rr3d..."
22:11:31 <GregorR-W> Pronounced pwənz zero zero zero (Spanish rolled r) three dee
22:11:49 * RodgerTheGreat 's ghost says "precisely"
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22:12:24 <RodgerTheGreat`s> bah
22:12:49 <RodgerTheGreat`s> well, I didn't think that plan through.
22:12:53 * RodgerTheGreat says "poser".
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22:39:40 <Keymaker> non-esoteric question.. i'm writing a small .com program in nasm (for dos), and would like to know how can i access data is store in "db 100, 22, 33" at the end of the program. or well, doesn't matter where it is, i still have no idea how to access that data
22:39:59 <GregorR-W> That's an esoteric question :P
22:40:07 <Keymaker> :D
22:41:21 <Asztalon> SomeLabel db 100, 22, 33
22:41:31 <Asztalon> then... use SomeLabel as an address ?
22:42:09 <Keymaker> i'll try, thanks
22:50:37 <Keymaker> mov bx, 0
22:50:56 <Keymaker> mov ah, 2
22:50:56 <Keymaker> mov dl, [data+bx]
22:50:56 <Keymaker> int 21h
22:50:56 <Keymaker> mov ah,4Ch
22:50:56 <Keymaker> mov al,0
22:50:57 <Keymaker> int 21h
22:50:59 <Keymaker> data db 65, 22, 33
22:51:01 <Keymaker> does anyone spot something wrong?
22:51:03 <Keymaker> it should print out "A"
22:51:05 <Keymaker> (but it doesn't :D)
22:51:51 <Keymaker> the "mov dl, [data+bx]" is supposed to move byte from address data+bx but not sure if i did that correctly..
22:52:05 <Asztalon> should work
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22:53:18 <Keymaker> hmm.. it seems to print out character 4
22:53:47 <Keymaker> i mean, byte 04
22:55:45 <Keymaker> calamari, do you know?!
22:56:09 <pikhq> GregorR-W: They said "average", but didn't specify "mean". . .
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22:56:45 <GregorR-W> pikhq: ... Are you trying to imply that, in your nomenclature, 'average' and 'mean' are not synonyms?
22:56:50 <pikhq> "Average" == "central tendency".
22:56:51 <Keymaker> (ps. the idea for making a language for ipod that's fast to type sounds interesting)
22:57:04 <pikhq> Mean, median, and mode are *all* measurements of central tendency.
22:57:21 <GregorR-W> Yeah.  And "average" is "mean".
22:57:36 <pikhq> Admitedly, "average" is *usually* used to mean "mean", but it doesn't necessarily mean just that.
22:57:50 <pikhq> \end{analretentive}
23:05:26 <Keymaker> works now, i added a "org 100h" to the beginning
23:12:55 <Asztal> times 100 db ($-$$) ?
23:12:58 <Asztal> or something ;)
23:13:08 <Asztal> hmm I messed that up
23:13:25 <Asztal> maybe: times (100 - ($-$$)) db ?
23:14:03 <Keymaker> hm, why?
23:14:03 <Keymaker> :D
23:15:21 <Keymaker> why should i use that?
23:16:56 <Asztal> No idea
23:17:04 <Asztal> I just remember reading it in some nasm pdf
23:17:53 <Keymaker> :D
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23:55:10 <ihope> Addw Ekrpatv
23:55:54 <ihope> I mean... Ahh, Dvorak.
23:56:00 <GregorR-W> lol
23:56:29 <Asztal> :Ü?
23:57:25 <GregorR-W> nrn
23:57:31 <ihope> Hey, you're not the one typing at 20 WPM.
23:57:37 <GregorR-W> lol, that is ;)
23:57:39 <ihope> Or is it 10?
23:57:43 <pikhq> No, I'm typing at 70wpm ATM.
23:57:43 <GregorR-W> Hah
23:57:45 <pikhq> :)
23:57:53 * ihope switches back to QWERTY
23:57:53 <pikhq> Aaah, Qwerty.
23:59:15 <GregorR-W> Not so good at Dvorak, eh :-P
23:59:31 <GregorR-W> Neither am I, but I can cope.