00:03:55 -!- GregorR-L has joined. 00:04:08 -!- Sgeo has joined. 01:03:31 I now have uncompress.b as a C/Brainfuck polyglot. 01:03:49 Not a particularly clever one, but still. 01:13:24 THAT'S FASCINATING 01:13:24 http://pikhq.nonlogic.org/unc.b.c 01:13:30 THAT'S FASCINATING 01:13:36 Sarcastic much? 01:13:46 THAT'S FASCINATING 01:13:48 Wait :P 01:16:13 The C code, BTW, is just a direct translation from the original Brainfuck comments (I don't like how it'd look done inside of the case statements of my original C code). 01:21:42 -!- ihope has joined. 01:22:46 Efficient quantum sorting algorithm: randomize the order of the list you want to sort. If it's not sorted, destroy the universe. 01:23:32 Hahah. 01:26:32 -!- ihope has quit ("http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/06.08.09"). 01:27:46 ... 01:30:28 That's in O(n) I guess :P 01:30:41 Assuming destroying the universe is in O(1) 01:50:38 -!- GregorR-L has quit ("Leaving"). 02:01:27 -!- kipple_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 03:13:48 -!- CXI has quit (Connection reset by peer). 03:18:40 -!- CXI has joined. 03:42:18 -!- Razor-X has joined. 03:43:14 * pikhq sighs 03:43:31 I hate being called a communist for supporting software freedom. D:< 03:44:21 think about that the next time you decide to call someone a "consumerist slave". 03:44:35 I didn't. 03:45:51 not *today*/ 03:46:07 20:27 < RodgerTheGreat> pikhq: there's a name for that. communism. 03:46:18 20:28 < RodgerTheGreat> I'd rather have my free market than free software. Idealism is really great until you realize you need to eat. 03:47:18 [01:16 AM] *** pikhq sets mode +enslaved on RodgerTheGreat 03:47:18 [01:17 AM] shadowarts: The thing I don't get with proprietary software users supporting proprietary software. . . Is that, to me, it's about like a slave arguing that slavery is good for all. 03:48:02 I just said that you're enslaved. . . Which you *are*. You're dependant on Microsoft's whim. 03:48:51 I don't use any microsoft products, fool. 03:49:02 What do you use, then? 03:52:11 Apple. And while you can argue, as you do *ad nauseam* that lacking the ability to "share, study and modify" the kernel of my OS, that I am ultimately limited, the fact is: I enjoy the software that I have, the way it is. I was willing to pay money for it when I bought it, and it allows me to do the work I want to do with my computer. If you're so interested in the freedom of software, why aren't you willing to put money toward *t 03:52:46 my freedom is exercised through my spending. 03:52:48 Because I don't have money to put towards it or anything else. 03:53:18 (and yes, I'm working on getting a job. . .) 03:53:48 hah! and you claim it's possible to make a living from free software. If the entire world thought like you do, not even richard stallman would be able to live on somebody else's dime! 03:54:01 I'm 16. 03:54:49 The fact that I lack a job is irrelevant: as I've never had a job, it's highly unlikely that I could get anything beyond a burger flipping job. 03:54:56 s/:/;/ 03:55:19 I don't see how that makes a difference. I know many people that had jobs by your age, and you can be damn sure *I* was earning money when I was 16. You're nothing but a freeloader, and an elitist one at that. 03:55:37 Also, might I remind you that, while the ideals of the free software movement may seem "impractical", they *have* had practical results. 03:55:42 * pikhq is using a free OS ATM 03:56:07 not suprising. 03:56:25 In fact, *you* partially benefit from this. 03:56:56 Apple, while as a *whole* nonfree, contains bits and pieces from the free software community (the ones that were mildly unwise in not using copyleft). 03:57:42 As to your accusation of being a freeloader. . . Try getting a job when you're expecting to move before the year is out. 03:58:21 * RodgerTheGreat plays a violin for pikhq. 03:58:37 such a hard life you must have... 03:58:45 -_-' 03:59:18 Just saying, it's a bit difficult to get a job without being around long enough to make you worth hiring. 03:59:48 And as to your elitism accusation. . . 03:59:54 Have you looked in a mirror lately? 04:01:45 *sigh* Never ceases to amaze me how violently someone can reject the simple concept that the ideas of freedom apply to software, too. 04:01:54 all I see here is someone I made the mistake of *giving* a free shell account to, only to have myself and my friends personally insulted, without seeing so much as a shred of graditude! 04:02:31 And all I'm seeing is an escalating flame war. 04:03:17 clearly. 04:03:42 How's about we just get this whole thing out on a fresh start, shall we? 04:04:32 Next time you want something with me, take it to PM's, rather than retreating to another channel where you think you can get sympathy. 04:05:11 Fair enough. 04:05:44 Hi, I'm a PC. 04:06:15 and I'm a Mac. 04:06:56 I'm a PC running Ubuntu Linux 04:07:16 I run gNewSense & Gentoo. 04:07:29 Frodo's going to go over to gNewSense once 1.0 is released. . . 04:07:41 never heard of it 04:08:17 Hi, I'm a PC and my user is running very low on time. I run Slackware Linux. 04:08:18 It's basically Ubuntu with all of the nonfree software removed. 04:08:39 Razor-X: Then don't use IRC. 04:08:42 oh.. what's nonfree in Ubuntu? 04:09:00 The kernel they ship with, for one, contains binary firmware blobs. 04:09:21 anything besides the kernel, which I can recompile at any time? 04:09:40 The nonfree archive, of course. XD 04:09:51 heh 04:10:22 While you can reject this, I personally don't feel that a distro should offer (semi)official support for nonfree software, but have it seperated to claim "we support free software". 04:10:58 well.. I don't have anything against freeware 04:11:02 Of course, this is a much, much more minor issue than the fact that roughly 95% of all computer users don't have the right to use, study, share, and change. 04:11:16 people can decide how they want to release their code 04:11:31 Not this damned argument again. 04:11:35 I think if some people had their way, they'd want to force people to use gpl 04:11:37 :D 04:11:49 * RodgerTheGreat hugs calamari. 04:12:04 I wouldn't force people to use GPL. . . I'd only force people to give all users control over their computer. 04:12:23 The BSD license also provides this essential right. 04:12:24 :p 04:12:40 I'm against forcing people to do things.. if there is a law then it has to be enforced.. and that means police, prison, etc 04:13:02 just seems silly to put someone in a prison over not releasing their source code 04:13:12 if you want it that bad, use a disassembler 04:13:25 calamari: Then surely copyright itself, which must be enforced against all people (since the means for copying is available to all people), is wrong? 04:13:37 pikhq: in its current state, it certainly is 04:13:47 calamari: That much, I can agree with you. 04:14:13 I just think that copyright law should be changed to enforce the release of source code (which, it seems, you *would* disagree with). 04:14:29 yes 04:15:00 I, personally, think it sad that this would need to be enforced, though. . . 04:15:02 I see nothing wrong with keeping a piece of software closed.. the problem is that copyrights never expire these days 04:15:31 source code constitutes properly, and it should be the choice of the author of that code to release it or not. Source code is not a fundamental right by any means. 04:15:32 but, since nobody seems to care oabout the constitution anymore.. this kind of thing happens 04:15:44 I feel that it would be far better for people to see that it's wrong to do so, and keep the government out of it. 04:16:21 pikhq: I'm a Libertarian.. so I agree with keeping the government out of things 04:16:37 RodgerTheGreat: Source code is nothing more than math, written down in such a way that a computer can understand it. 04:16:54 RodgerTheGreat: Well, written in such a way both a computer and a human can understand it. 04:17:06 should say libertarian since I'm not an official member 04:17:25 are you implying that math and algorithms are all fundamentally intuitive, and that no creativity or substantial work go into creating source code? 04:18:34 RodgerTheGreat: Not at all. I'm saying that ideas shouldn't be kept under lock and key. 04:19:08 What is the purpose of creativity if you're not willing to show it to others? 04:19:24 $ 04:19:31 afk 04:19:51 in the information age, ideas *and their successful implementation* are the most valuable possession a person could have. Unless I *wanted* to share them, I'd keep them under lock and key like anything else I own of value. 04:19:55 before I leave: some ideas I want to share, some I want to sell.. I should be able to do both 04:20:03 ok 04:20:10 calamari *does* have a good point; greed alone (the desire for *more* money, not the desire for money at all) keeps ideas under lock and key. 04:20:22 * RodgerTheGreat groans 04:20:32 RodgerTheGreat: One doesn't need to be paid for copies of software. 04:20:41 One could just as well be paid for the act of writing the software. 04:21:29 Although one can also sell copies of software (the GNU project, for example, sells GNU). 04:21:58 All of this one can do *while* giving the right to use, share, study, and change to users. 04:22:37 Perhaps we should move to a PM? 04:23:35 I don't even want to talk about this there. You're a broken record. Just *stop*, already. 04:24:40 You, too, are a broken record. . . Presumably because neither of us is willing to concede to the other's points. 04:25:03 * pikhq sets mode +mute on himself 04:27:18 RodgerTheGreat: Fine: One last thing I have to say. . . 04:27:24 Thank you for pikhq@nonlogic.org 04:29:30 finally... 04:34:52 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)). 05:02:53 -!- Eidolos has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 05:27:59 -!- CXI has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 05:36:47 -!- CXI has joined. 05:51:06 -!- Arrogant has joined. 06:27:54 -!- Sgeo has quit (Connection timed out). 06:30:30 -!- RodgerTh1Great has joined. 06:36:14 -!- RodgerTheGreat has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 06:38:30 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 07:19:45 -!- CXI has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 07:20:01 -!- CXI has joined. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:01:25 -!- GregorR-W has quit (Remote closed the connection). 08:02:16 -!- GregorR-W has joined. 08:38:25 -!- puzzlet has joined. 08:40:22 -!- Arrogant has quit ("Leaving"). 08:45:02 -!- puzzlet has quit (Client Quit). 08:45:04 -!- puzzlet has joined. 08:57:17 -!- CXI has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 08:57:35 -!- CXI has joined. 10:00:43 hi 10:06:48 * SimonRC reads the scrollback. 10:08:09 * SimonRC decides that the only reason closed-source software ever existed was because computers are slow. 10:09:27 oh, and floppy dicsks are very small, and early networks were very slow 10:10:24 If compilers had never been necessary, and data transferr and storage had been better, the practice of distributing programs in a form different from that in which you produced them would not have become so widespread. 10:10:58 I am undecided as to when exactly it is a good thing and when not, though. 13:26:03 -!- RodgerTh1Great has changed nick to RodgerTheGreat. 13:31:04 -!- jix has joined. 13:35:36 * SimonRC is impressed: http://thedailywtf.com/forums/permalink/82701/83130/ShowThread.aspx#83130 13:36:59 a piece of code that contains 64 keywords in a row without repetition, and which compiles 13:36:59 (C++) 13:46:48 -!- fr34k has joined. 13:46:56 -!- fr34k has changed nick to boblol. 13:47:16 hi 13:48:48 'Lo. 13:50:56 sup? 13:54:52 Sleep. 13:55:09 Wanting to go and kill the Monkey's Audio devs. 14:04:50 ok 14:04:51 ... 14:05:30 It's nonfree, but claims GPL compatibility. 14:06:48 urg 14:08:49 If you know *anything* about free software, you should be able to see the BS inherent in this. ;) 14:10:22 -!- SimonRC has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 14:10:23 -!- SimonRC has joined. 14:10:29 is this how you start conversations in meatspace, too? 14:11:52 RodgerTheGreat: I could ask you the same question. 14:16:07 "2. Monkey's Audio source can be included in GPL and open-source software, although Monkey's Audio itself will not be subjected to external licensing requirements or other viral source restrictions." 14:16:09 Hahahahaha 14:16:26 "2. The person who wrote this license doesn't understand the concept of licensing in the slightest." 14:19:30 Quote (Bill Gates apparently): "Measuring programming progress by lines of code is like measuring aircraft building progress by weight." 14:23:20 Quote (by rasist): "I want to move to a country that dont take in immigrants." 14:23:57 HAHAHAAH 14:24:13 :P 14:27:13 -!- boblol has quit. 14:34:49 ah, the wonders of automatic countdowns: http://yisraylhawkins.com/ 14:34:52 "Wednesday, September 27, 2006" "-15 days remaining before the start of nuclear war" 14:39:31 -!- calamari has joined. 15:28:50 -!- kipple_ has joined. 15:51:11 Hahahah 15:58:18 hi 16:03:36 -!- sparr_work has quit ("KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'"). 16:13:47 Seen on Slashdot: "- Smart voice recognition? Anyone tried it lately? Anyone tried to write pretty standard letters with it? Desastrous." 16:35:31 -!- oerjanj has joined. 16:59:17 -!- CXI has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 16:59:45 -!- CXI has joined. 17:15:14 -!- tgwizard has joined. 17:58:44 hi everyone 18:06:35 hello 19:09:44 Lo 19:12:22 * SimonRC wants an environment that lets him do functional and declarative programming with super-duper types like Haskell yet allows running programs to modify themselves in any way like Squeak does. 19:12:58 A pocket-sized mobile phone with a 17-in display would be nice too. 19:12:59 * pikhq hands SimonRC a parser generator 19:13:15 pikhq: were you even listening 19:13:16 ? 19:13:28 SimonRC: Yeah; I'm saying "write your own". 19:13:34 bah 19:13:50 I thought you were suggesting a parser generator as th solution. 19:14:02 well, it *is* declarative 19:14:02 It's only part of the solution. 19:46:19 -!- CXI has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 19:46:26 -!- CXII has joined. 20:03:42 -!- Rodger has joined. 20:03:49 -!- Rodger has left (?). 20:10:54 -!- oerjanj has quit ("Leaving"). 20:42:03 -!- kipple__ has joined. 20:48:50 -!- Sgeo has joined. 20:59:33 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 20:59:34 -!- kipple_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 21:14:56 hi people 21:15:31 * SimonRC indicates that project Croquet looks very interesting, and will either turn out to be the greatest thing ever or totally crap. 21:15:32 Hi 21:23:54 -!- RodgerTh1Great has joined. 21:33:46 SimonRC: /me leans towards "totally crap" 21:35:07 -!- RodgerTheGreat has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 21:46:48 GregorR-W: why 21:48:54 SimonRC: Because HIDs are still 2D. 3D HIDs would need to come about before 3D UIs become useful. 21:49:05 -!- jix has quit ("Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht"). 21:51:12 -!- RodgerTh1Great has changed nick to RodgerTheGreat. 21:55:21 -!- bsmntbombdood has left (?). 21:55:32 -!- tgwizard has quit (Remote closed the connection). 23:25:24 -!- dbc has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 23:26:54 -!- Razor-X has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 23:35:00 good way to waste 2 hours: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5534080568776365031 23:39:44 -!- Razor-X has joined. 23:50:58 -!- GregorR-W has quit ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/0000000000]").