< 1160870449 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1160871768 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to bed < 1160874081 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ihope- < 1160874114 0 :ihope-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ihope < 1160874737 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1160874986 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1160875219 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back. < 1160875225 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent news! < 1160875265 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just figured out that my C64 is the european version, which may explain why the video output isn't working properly. (NTSC != PAL) < 1160875272 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1160875286 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, now I need to find a PAL TV or an adaptor of some kind. < 1160875288 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a Brainfuck compiler written in BFM now. . . < 1160875303 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool. < 1160875320 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much, much smaller than what I wrote in BFC a while back when compiled. < 1160875345 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it compile to? C? < 1160875355 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asm? < 1160875360 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C. < 1160875574 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1160875650 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1160876298 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could probably make it much shorter just by cleaning up strings.bfm < 1160876665 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the moment, it's a bunch of inefficient ones. < 1160876667 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err. < 1160876669 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ < 1160876780 0 :|wez|!n=jkaslskj@158.38.24.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1160877110 0 :kipple_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1160878702 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1160879071 0 :|wez|!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1160881325 0 :Anders!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1160884660 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@cpc1-stkn2-0-0-cust919.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1160884720 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1160885006 0 :GregorR-L!n=GregorR-@c-24-21-138-66.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1160885417 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1160885549 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1160885601 0 :Anders!i=anders@h33n1fls35o1106.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1160888822 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1160888832 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h186.236.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1160889704 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Chatzilla 0.9.72-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.8.1b2/0000000000]" < 1160889923 0 :CXI!n=Sanity@c220-237-14-15.randw1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1160890501 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@58.77.172.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1160890502 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1160894309 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, erm... was anyone interested in an avatar? < 1160895924 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1160895934 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1160896452 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hot dogs have gone cold :P < 1160896479 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1160896499 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scroll up for reference. < 1160896514 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 9 hours ago comes this conversation from. < 1160896618 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X < 1160896922 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I'm going to take this as an "I'm not interested". < 1160896939 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I choose not to read :P < 1160897026 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<:| < 1160897039 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A brief summary will suffice X-P < 1160897053 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mystical magical things happened. < 1160897060 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And avatars transformed into hot-dogs. < 1160897069 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They became cold. The End. < 1160897075 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :via the magic of literary devices < 1160897080 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1160897087 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not you like the story? < 1160897114 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1160897137 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take that as a ``Yes, Razor-X, your stories captivate the mind and soul in a furious flurry of ecstacy!'' < 1160897143 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the unabridged version is more poetic. < 1160897190 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be that as it may. < 1160897278 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1160897279 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1160897283 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@58.77.172.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1160897295 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO NOT PUT THE BABY IN THE < 1160897309 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can take this as a "Razor-X does indeed have mad summarization skillz." < 1160897340 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : DO NOT PUT THE BABY IN THE Be that as it may. < 1160897374 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps. < 1160899199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1160899200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1160899764 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone here worked with SWIG before? < 1160900376 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does SWIG take .h files as input, or some sort of special SWIG-specific info? < 1160900640 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.h and then you define SWIG-specific stuff in a .i file. < 1160900693 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, I want to correct the obviously ugly design of a function that takes a std::pair as input instead of using simple int arguments. < 1160900722 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna change the constructor to call std::make_pair automatically on the arguments. < 1160906471 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1160906731 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Behold the horror that is Python if expressions!!!! < 1160906732 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :return ((globs.glonfiglist["display:invis_tag"] if omniscience == True and self.flags == "roominvis" else (self.incog_desc if self.flags == "incog" and omniscience == True else "")) + (self.shortdesc if self.shortdesc != "" else self.name) + (self.doing if self.doing != "" else "") if self.flags != "roominvis" or omniscience == True else None) < 1160906745 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes... I abuse them often. < 1160908715 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-cb3de155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1160909491 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1160909491 0 :pgimeno_!n=pgimeno@124.Red-80-59-211.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1160909509 0 :pgimeno_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pgimeno < 1160910459 0 :kipple_!n=kipple@167.80-202-102.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1160913896 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@58.77.172.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1160913910 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1160914279 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@58.77.172.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1160914539 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1160919379 0 :berent!n=berent@125.22.7.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1160919760 0 :berent!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1160922629 0 :Arrogant!n=scotty@8.orlando-09rh15-16rt.fl.dial-access.att.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1160923558 0 :Arrogant_!n=scotty@41.orlando-06-08rs.fl.dial-access.att.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1160923641 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1160923647 0 :Arrogant_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Arrogant < 1160924176 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: You knucklehead; I was interested when you first asked. . . XD < 1160926156 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grrr. . . Seems my itoa macro is a wheee bit broken. . . :/ < 1160926222 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless, of course, you wish to argue that 21=31. < 1160927000 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is currently trying to prevent divmod from being run if int=0. . . < 1160927007 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goes into an infinite loop. . . XD < 1160927152 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1160928803 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Operation timed out < 1160928858 0 :CXI!n=Sanity@c220-237-14-15.randw1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1160933728 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"haaaaaaaaaa" < 1160935957 0 :jix!n=jix@L6075.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1160939027 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1160939112 0 :jix!n=jix@L6075.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1160939129 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1160939207 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h186.236.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1160939273 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1160940236 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X: Who would be able to use the "avatars"? < 1160940254 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: Discuss the licensing with RodgerTheGreat, not me. < 1160940265 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, wrong tab-completion < 1160940274 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1160940285 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Who (users of which software) would be able to use the "avatars"? < 1160940306 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X: once you have used irsi, you will wonder how you every lived without it < 1160940321 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: I don't like irssi much, to be frank. < 1160940327 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially gott combined with screen, ssh, and a unix box somewhere < 1160940329 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, I can't live without tab-complete. < 1160940337 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ggod < 1160940339 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*good < 1160940356 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just set up irssi under screen on the unix box, then ssh to it < 1160940363 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or use BitchX :) < 1160940369 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how I manage to stay on-channel for weeks at a time < 1160940372 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or erc in Emacs, if the sysadmin allows it.) < 1160940387 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does TFTP waste so much bandwidth with ACKs? < 1160940390 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely BitchX will die whenever your X server goes away < 1160940400 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1160940449 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1160940449 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This Emacs session of mine is connected to IRC via ERC in a screen session I'm viewing from a urxvtc connected to a urxvtd simulating a terminal. < 1160940463 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BitchX isn't an X application. < 1160940468 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1160940474 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try it < 1160940482 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed that X meant X < 1160940488 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1160940496 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've restarted X many times and my IRC sessions don't close. Because of screen :3 < 1160940499 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway: why the ACKs: http://grotto11.com/blog/slash.html?+1039831658 < 1160940503 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X: yeah, I know < 1160940618 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :particularly read the bit about the company "RunTCP" < 1160940842 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1160940857 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I was thinking of using client-side verification instead of a bunch of ACKs. < 1160940909 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Send a signature via TCP then stream the data via UDP, and have the application match each piece to the signature. If a piece doesen't exist/isn't verified, then request for a retransfer of the piece. < 1160940920 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like ACK, but the client does a lot more. < 1160940986 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So tell me beforehand: Am I being a total imbecile? < 1160942937 0 :kipple__!n=kipple@167.80-202-102.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1160943091 0 :ihope!n=foo@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1160943989 0 :kipple_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1160944092 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: they're just image files. I usually save them as PNG's or GIF's. < 1160944184 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar_%28icon%29 < 1160944197 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :primarily useful on forums and on websites. < 1160944224 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally make them 128x128, because it's a relatively standard size. < 1160944928 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1160945314 0 :jix!n=jix@L6075.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1160945847 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: ah, ok < 1160945854 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whay are you offering to make them for us? < 1160946217 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whay? < 1160946377 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Why < 1160946705 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a hobby of mine < 1160946831 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for answering my question, by the way :) < 1160947441 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was only supposed to be a semi-answer < 1160949246 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : RodgerTheGreat: ah, ok -- That's a semi-answer? < 1160949990 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to request an avatar. It must look like it was drawn by a twelve year old who inadvertantly discovered the GIMP. Weird brushes OK, plasma filter a must. < 1160951059 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1160951096 0 :jix!n=jix@L6075.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1160951587 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does UDP always transmit only 100 bytes at a time? < 1160951627 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's UDP for, exactly? < 1160951634 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it for when you don't need error-checking? < 1160951733 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you don't want to make a connection, don't need error-checking, and don't need the packets to arrive in a specific order. < 1160951878 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for building TCP on top of X-P < 1160951940 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-P ? < 1160951962 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows X-P < 1160951994 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Windows < 1160952003 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1160952004 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a great distro name. < 1160952050 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Seems UDP only locally sends 100 bytes per packet. < 1160952053 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Distro? < 1160952066 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't you all know that Windows XP is named after the face of its users? < 1160952067 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Blah. I forgot it's the world of Dictator Gates. < 1160952079 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XP <(DAAAHHH IM YUSING WINDOZE EKS PEEEEEE) < 1160952248 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I don't use the gimp, and I don't, as a rule, use filters. < 1160952274 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I don't want your avatar! I'll make one myself! < 1160952318 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: What do you use? < 1160952356 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pixen, and I occasionally use GraphicConverter for cropping and scaling. < 1160952369 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: go for it. < 1160952380 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, is it a pixeler? < 1160952403 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1160952419 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see any philosophical problems with that. < 1160952477 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pixen is written for OSX, but it's fully Open-Source. < 1160952508 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking at the page. I wish something akin to that existed in Linux. < 1160952532 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm somewhat suspicious always when someboby says that something is "fully open source" ;) < 1160952538 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably wouldn't be too difficult to port if it's made for Mac OS X, but I have my own project now. < 1160952553 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their download link gives me text/plain < 1160952604 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.codu.org/myavatar.gif < 1160952606 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's effectively impossible to port, sadly- it's heavily dependent on Cocoa and Quartz. Pretty much everything that makes it an awesome mac app makes it painful to try to port. :/ < 1160952637 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: just port cocoa and quartz too? < 1160952647 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1160952679 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, that's... < 1160952684 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... breathtaking < 1160952750 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: ? < 1160952796 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gods help me GregorR! < 1160952815 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pronounced: Gregor-er.) < 1160952832 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Cocoa and Quartz are massively complicated API's. You could, in theory, emulate/reverse-engineer them, but at that point you'd really be better off coding your own app from scratch. < 1160952863 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: that's what i mean by my suspicious about this "fully open source" stuff < 1160952889 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fully dependant on proprietary stuff" indeed < 1160952916 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you might as well go ahead and claim that there are no open-source applications in the world that can run in windows or OSX. < 1160952952 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: wine might help things here < 1160952982 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: sure they are "open source" but adding this "fully" there just sounds weird :) < 1160953015 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta love variables named ``blah''. < 1160953039 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fully" means an entire application is open-source. For example, OSX is "open-source", but not "fully open-source". (just chunks). < 1160953071 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah is one of my favorite variable names. < 1160953096 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: how about calling just "partly open source" and calling pixen simply "open source"? ;)) < 1160953104 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+it < 1160953114 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having a hard time coding in imperative form. It's been so long :( < 1160953137 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: otherwise we'll need to invent yet another name for free software that only depends on free software < 1160953168 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"StallWare" < 1160953187 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you'll be being unfair to Mr. Torvalds. < 1160953237 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Torvalds + Stallman + software = TollWare. < 1160953243 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have created a new term. < 1160953245 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1160953270 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about Eric S. Raymond, and all the other miscellaneous people who helped with the GNU project, the Linux kernel, and everything else? < 1160953272 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, calamari. < 1160953278 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: heh < 1160953281 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi RodgerTheGreat < 1160953308 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that kids can cry very loudly when they don't get what they want < 1160953318 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1160953319 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I include the entire linux community, I'd probably get an excessive flood, so I'll just stick with the concise version < 1160953330 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Infinity)Ware. < 1160953336 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or: < 1160953339 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(SegFault)Ware. < 1160953346 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds fitting < 1160953347 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the name is so large it causes a segfault. < 1160953361 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I relish the double-meaning in that term. < 1160953370 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1160953371 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: btw, slightly related but not quite: fixed today two wikipedia articles that implied that RAR archives can be decompressed with free software. it's not even funny to see how fast misconceptions like that spread < 1160953388 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lindi-: unrar isn't free? < 1160953402 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X: but that's only for rar version 2.0 which isn't in widespread use anymore afaik < 1160953408 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :free as in beer is still a type of free, no matter what FOSS advocates say. < 1160953430 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :free as in speech and free as in beer are *both* free. < 1160953433 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: sure the word has different meanings, i hope you know which meaning i mean :) < 1160953457 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X: at least i haven't hit any rar archives that would decompress with unrar < 1160953469 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lindi-: Some do. < 1160953472 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some. < 1160953474 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what meaning you refer to, but superimposing a particular meaning on "free" isn't a fair way to claim wikipedia is incorrect. < 1160953490 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X: yes, i explained that in the footnote in wikipedia < 1160953495 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1160953531 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: they had a long explanation on free software there, they were clearly talking about the same thing < 1160953621 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_archive_formats#Archiving_and_compression < 1160954607 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1160955727 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1160955854 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1160956730 0 :bsmntbom1dood!n=gavin@adsl-70-250-178-101.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric