00:00:16 <oerjan> AH! Run away, run away!
00:00:42 * RodgerTheGreat backs away nervously
00:01:09 * oerjan regrets participating in the creation of a monster.
00:01:47 <RodgerTheGreat> agreed
00:02:16 <Sgeo> hm?
00:04:03 <RodgerTheGreat> the results of the last Adjudicated Blind Collaborative Design Esoteric Factory run are a horrible monstrosity.
00:04:16 <Sgeo> Why?
00:04:21 <Sgeo> What's wrong with it?
00:04:46 <pikhq> And it's not been made, thus the Adjucated Blind Collaborative Design Esoteric Factory run isn't done.
00:06:00 * Sgeo wishes he did variables in branch labels and allowed 0 in the CHANGE(?) thingy
00:19:57 <ihope> My language has room for five more instructions.
00:20:32 <ihope> I thought it would fit quite easily into 63, but already I have 58, and I might need more later.
00:20:47 <Sgeo> 63?
00:20:49 <ihope> Oh, wait, 64 would be the maximum.
00:20:52 <Sgeo> strange num.. oh
00:21:22 <ihope> 7 * 9 = 63, no?
00:22:41 * Sgeo generally likes and recognizes numbers of the form (2^n±.5)
00:22:44 <Sgeo> erm
00:22:48 <Sgeo> No
00:23:05 * Sgeo generally likes and recognizes numbers of the form (2^n-.5±.5)
00:23:21 <Sgeo> =P
00:23:43 <Sgeo> Where n is a positive integer ofc
00:23:44 <ihope> So six more instructions.
00:23:55 <oerjan> have you added peekaboo yet? :)
00:23:56 <ihope> Not a nonnegative integer?
00:24:13 <ihope> My language doesn't exactly have booleans.
00:24:53 <oerjan> Branch On something, then.
00:24:56 <ihope> And peekaboo would require peekbboo, peektboo, peekbaboo, peekbbboo, and peekbtboo.
00:25:15 <oerjan> there you are, 6 instructions.
00:25:24 <ihope> Yep, that'd fill it up quite nicely.
00:25:30 <ihope> But... branch on what?
00:25:41 <oerjan> overflow, perhaps...
00:25:50 <oerjan> odd..
00:25:56 <ihope> "Peek stack a; branch on overflow"?
00:26:14 <ihope> Would the stack overflow from being peeked?
00:26:55 <oerjan> probably not.
00:27:31 <ihope> And most peekaboos wouldn't make sense without popaboos.
00:27:39 <ihope> And possibly pushaboos.
00:28:05 * ihope suddenly decides he needs stack rotation
00:28:22 <oerjan> actually, another option is to make aboo similar to a, b etc.
00:28:52 <ihope> "Peekaboo" meaning "peek both A and B"?
00:29:10 <oerjan> that's not what i mean but that could be neat too.
00:29:23 <ihope> What do you mean, then?
00:29:39 <oerjan> i mean, then you could have popaboo and pushaboo but not need peekbboo etc.
00:30:06 <oerjan> if aboo was a stack
00:30:17 <ihope> aboo isn't a stack.
00:30:30 <oerjan> well, whatever a, b etc. are
00:30:30 <ihope> There are three stacks, and they're called A, B, and T.
00:31:12 <ihope> And... well, I just added six stack rotation instructions.
00:31:31 * oerjan sulks.
00:31:45 <oerjan> YOUR LANGUAGE IS NO FUN!
00:31:59 <ihope> But it has the "select" instruction from INTERCAL!
00:32:45 <ihope> And it has an instruction whose purpose is to be left up to the implementation to... implement!
00:33:18 <ihope> It's the "info" instruction, and it means "push a zero, then push some numbers that aren't zero".
00:34:05 <ihope> And... there should be six of that, too, since every stack operation needs to have six instructions.
00:34:12 * ihope makes the total 69 instructions
00:35:04 <ihope> Okay, let's increase the cap to 128 instructions.
00:35:31 <oerjan> you suddenly lost a bit for other purposes.
00:35:32 <ihope> And leave out the poor little 6-bit computers.
00:35:51 <ihope> It's your fault I have so many instructions, despite the fact I came up with all of them myself!
00:36:27 <oerjan> you could make it 81 instructions on a trinary machine.
00:36:42 <ihope> But the instructions aren't ternary.
00:36:57 <ihope> How do you do a ternary nor?
00:37:24 <ihope> Or any ternary not, I guess.
00:37:32 <oerjan> 3-min(a,b)
00:37:45 <oerjan> 2-min(a,b)
00:37:49 * ihope realizes he has no "not" instruction
00:37:57 <ihope> Also, negative numbers.
00:38:15 <oerjan> negative numbers are easy if you make your trits -1,0,1.
00:38:28 <ihope> Oh, yeah. Balanced ternary.
00:39:27 <oerjan> or should that be terts?
00:39:41 <ihope> Are they terse?
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00:40:02 <Asztal> trits!
00:40:21 <ihope> Bits!
00:40:45 <oerjan> quints!
00:41:01 <ihope> Sets?
00:41:07 <Asztal> I'm not sure there is a ternary not
00:41:33 <Sgeo> ternary linc?
00:41:37 <ihope> Any unary tritwise operator could be considered one, other than identity.
00:41:39 <Asztal> like how XOR splits into ^ and ?
00:41:43 <Sgeo> (looping increase)?
00:41:57 <oerjan> actually not should be an involution.
00:42:03 <Sgeo> involution?
00:42:08 <oerjan> not not = identity.
00:42:38 <ihope> Oh, yeah.
00:42:43 * Sgeo thinks that that might be actually impossible in ternary
00:42:49 <ihope> Any swap, then.
00:43:01 <ihope> 012 -> 102, 012 -> 210, 012 -> 021.
00:43:01 <Sgeo> not 0 => 1, means not 1=>0
00:43:07 <oerjan> on the other hand, if you also add the requirement not x != x, then indeed it is impossible.
00:43:07 <Sgeo> So what happens to not -1?
00:43:12 <Asztal> that sounds like unary but
00:43:18 <ihope> Unary, pah.
00:43:55 <ihope> Real (Wom|M)en ignore the leading zeros in unary.
00:44:01 <oerjan> with balanced ternary, not = negation seems the obvious canditate.
00:44:15 <ihope> Aye.
00:44:18 * Sgeo agrees
00:44:32 <Asztal> one of my favourite quotes from the intercal manual involves balanced ternary
00:45:26 * oerjan is listening.
00:49:57 <Asztal> http://pastie.caboo.se/21233
00:50:03 <Asztal> (that took far too long to find)
00:58:51 * oerjan is probably immune to such head banging.
01:00:12 * pikhq recently discovered a major bug in BFM. . .
01:00:21 <oerjan> aha
01:00:23 <pikhq> It didn't have a 99 Bottles of Beer implementation.
01:00:46 <oerjan> that counts as a bug these days?
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01:01:02 <RodgerTheGreat> lmao
01:01:06 <pikhq> Closest I can find at the moment.
01:01:20 <pikhq> http://pikhq.nonlogic.org/bottles.bfm So, I fixed it.
01:26:00 <ihope> I guess I oughta come up with all the semantics of this language.
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01:32:52 <Asztal> I've now managed to get wrapping working (in my first test) in my befunge98 interpreter :D
01:33:22 <Asztal> I still don't understand how these intersection functions I wrote work, because of the 101 corner cases I didn't expect, but it seems to be working!
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01:51:00 <ihope> If you write code and it works, but you don't know why it works, you should consider rewriting it.
01:51:44 <pikhq> Or do as Perl does, and declare it to be magic.
01:53:02 <Asztal> I know why it works, it's just I had to change it so many times to get it to work that it's quite different from the code I started out with and many of the function names are.. wrong somewhat
01:53:22 * Sgeo has some code with some "code superstition" somewhere
01:53:28 * Sgeo thinks he removed that stuff :(
01:53:43 <Sgeo> No I didn't
01:53:57 <Sgeo> "    #The code doesn't seem to work without these lines
01:53:57 <Sgeo>     #This is how code superstition starts..
01:53:57 <Sgeo>     #Instead of crashing on start, these lines make it crash on select
01:53:57 <Sgeo>     #def on_TextField1_loseFocus(self, event):"
01:54:22 <Sgeo> http://sgeo.diagonalfish.net/haver/pycardhaver/templateNoMenus.py.txt
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02:17:08 <ihope> !
02:17:23 <ihope> That's 33, right?
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02:41:26 <Sgeo> http://thedailywtf.com/forums/thread/99550.aspx
03:03:58 * rt yawns.
03:04:41 <SevenInchBread> I should write a book called The Art of Obfuscation.
03:06:57 <rt> http://brainwagon.org/files/jhconway.c
03:08:01 <SevenInchBread> I turned def __len__(self): return len(self.sugTags)
03:08:03 <SevenInchBread> into
03:08:12 <SevenInchBread> locals()[lambda("self")].__dict__[lambda: "__class__"()].__dict__[lambda: "".join(dict("lol":"__len__").values())()] = lambda self: tuple(self.__dict__[lambda: "subTags"()].__dict__.[lambda: "__class__"()].__dict__[lambda: "".join(list("".join(list("__len__"))))()].__call__.__call__.__call__.__call__(), self.__dict__[lambda: "".join(list("".join(dict("hahahahahaahahahahahahahaahhahahahaahahahahaha
03:08:13 <SevenInchBread> ha":"values").values()))))()].__dict__.[lambda: "__class__"()].__dict__[lambda "".join(list("".join(list("__len__"))))()].__call__.__call__.__call__.__call__())
03:08:29 <SevenInchBread> Although I could have went further... but I got tired.
03:10:29 <rt> strangely enough, i dont find that particualrly artful.
03:13:16 <xor_> lol wtf is that?
03:18:17 <oerjan> hey, it looks like something a chimp could have typed ;)
03:21:08 * Sgeo pokes people towards the WTF he posted
03:22:23 * xor_ reads it
03:24:39 <xor_> lol
03:25:30 <SevenInchBread> It looks like art to me.
04:02:44 <ihope> Hibernate, hibernate, hibernate, they say...
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05:13:04 <thematrixeatsyou> hi arrogant
05:13:12 <Arrogant> Heya.
05:13:25 <thematrixeatsyou> gonna try and slap a FAT driver together
05:16:51 <thematrixeatsyou> should call it PHAT
05:21:36 <xor_> te he he
05:22:06 <xor_> x=[1]; x.append(x)
05:33:25 * GrandmotherChaos doesn't get it.
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05:36:46 <xor_> cirular reference
05:37:15 <thematrixeatsyou> kinda like this:
05:37:58 <thematrixeatsyou> *x=1; while(*x){ *x[0]=*x[1]; x++; }
05:38:26 <xor_> no
05:39:02 <xor_> in C it would take an infinite amount of memory
05:39:16 <pikhq> It'd just eventually segfault.
05:39:32 <xor_> [1,[1,[...]]]
05:39:47 <xor_> x=[1,x]
05:39:54 <thematrixeatsyou> k
05:40:24 <pikhq> append x $x 1
05:40:44 <thematrixeatsyou> while(int i)
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05:44:36 <xor_> hmmm
05:44:49 <xor_> What would make that list in lisp?
05:46:07 <pikhq> (list x '(x 1))?
05:46:20 <xor_> actually, in c, it would be int x[2]; x[0]=1; x[1]=x;
05:46:26 <xor_> er no
05:48:12 <oerjan> you mean (let ((x '(1))) (rplacd x x) x)
05:48:18 <oerjan> or something like that.
05:48:21 <pikhq> I'm no Lisper.
05:48:34 <pikhq> I'm a Tcler, as you all should know. . .
05:49:01 <pikhq> [lappend x $x 1] gives you the same list in Tcl, BTW.
05:49:40 <oerjan> haskell _would_ be x = [1,x] except that is a type error.
05:50:31 <oerjan> x = [1] ++ x works nicely though.
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06:07:07 <thematrixeatsyou> afk pizza
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13:57:19 <ihope> Eh, I'll just email this interpreter to a random person.
14:04:15 <ihope> Actually, I have some FTP thing somewhere, don't I?
14:06:44 <ihope> Apparently not.
14:12:33 <ihope> Well, yes, but I don't remember where.
14:12:48 <ihope> So I have three email addresses.
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15:21:33 <Razor-X> What happened to the committee meeting, t3h committee members?
15:21:45 <pikhq> I ate them.
15:22:04 <Razor-X> Awww.
15:22:18 <pikhq> I was hungry!
15:23:14 <Razor-X> Now we won't get any judging done :(
15:23:24 * Razor-X thinks this is a plot by pikhq to win the contest.
15:24:49 <ihope> Committee meeting?
15:25:59 <Razor-X> Yes.
15:26:13 <ihope> I didn't hear about it.
15:26:19 <Razor-X> Good job being asleep.
15:26:29 <Razor-X> Well, I need GregorR and RodgerTheGreat to make a new date.
15:27:06 <ihope> When was it supposed to be?
15:27:58 <Razor-X> Last Saturday.
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15:51:38 <ihope> Now, is it O_< or >_O that GregorR says?
15:56:19 <ihope> (Suddenly, I feel an urge to leave all channels except #haskell.)
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16:49:47 <RodgerTheGreat> good morning, everyone.
16:55:38 <Sgeo> Morning RTG
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18:47:45 <Aardwolf> can a language that uses only a stack on which you can only push, pop and read the top number, be turing complete?
18:47:55 <Aardwolf> (as only memory)
18:48:49 <lindi-> Aardwolf: push-down automata?
18:49:07 <Aardwolf> I guess so, let me look at the wiki
18:51:47 <Aardwolf> I'm looking at the pushdown automaton article of wikipedia (because voxelperfect isn't responding to me at the moment), and the wikipedia article isn't making clear to me whether a push down automaton is a subset of a finite automaton or vica versa :/
18:53:18 <lindi-> Aardwolf: check chomsky's hierarchy
18:55:08 <Aardwolf> nice, got it now
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19:35:42 <ihope> Now I know where GregorR hangs out all the time.
19:39:55 <ihope> What I don't know is how to get these files to him.
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21:45:30 <ihope> 8.98755179 * 10^16 joules.
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22:58:56 <SimonRC> !Egobot is working!
22:59:04 <SimonRC> or rather, it isn;t
23:01:28 <GregorR> I'm well aware.
23:01:33 <GregorR> I'm doing some computer spring cleaning.
23:01:41 <GregorR> I'll bring it back up in about 35 DVDs.
23:04:30 <SimonRC> bah
23:04:40 <SimonRC> you should use a heavily-mirrored fileserver
23:05:31 <GregorR> Hey, DVD 6 is done 8-D
23:05:58 <GregorR> And burning to DVD has nothing to do with space (though it is to free space :P ), it's more like spring cleaning - eg, I'll have a nice, empty, uncluttered disk.
23:09:03 <SimonRC> uncluttered in what way?
23:09:21 <SimonRC> you mean that you will get rid of all the crap files, registry cruft, etc?
23:10:42 <xor_> lol windows
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23:13:31 <GregorR> ...registry?
23:13:43 <GregorR> ^^
23:13:52 * GregorR agrees with xor_'s assertion: "lol windows"
23:20:45 <Sgeo> What, I can't have windows in my house?
23:20:52 <Sgeo> >.<
23:21:06 <GregorR> AIR CONDITIONING WORKS BEST WITH WINDOWS /CLOSED/
23:22:03 <oerjan> darn, is that why my laptop fan is so noisy...