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00:39:57 <RodgerTheGreat> hm. well, this is interesting. my pet betta is in the process of building a "bubble nest", presumably in preparation for nesting season.
00:41:30 * oerjan had to check wikipedia, and is somehow releaved that it is a fish and not a spider or something...
00:46:11 <RodgerTheGreat> they act a little like a combination of a shark and a goldfish.
00:46:56 <oerjan> should or should one not dip one's finger into the water?
00:47:40 <RodgerTheGreat> they don't really have teeth, so I don't see any serious harm, although they might try to ram you or decide to suck on your finger.
00:49:12 <oerjan> except in attitude? :)
01:02:58 <Razor-X> Like I said, I think a TeX preprocessor is best.
01:12:25 <oerjan> i _think_ it was in response to the last thing i said before logging off but i am not sure
01:14:14 <oerjan> it seems the problem is to somehow get a file input as a mere list of characters...
01:14:59 <oerjan> the \read macro nearly does that, i think.
01:15:48 <oerjan> i haven't paid attention to that project.
01:17:59 <RodgerTheGreat> so, there's work afoot to create a BF interpreter in LaTeX?
01:19:37 <Razor-X> And for me, a LaTeX preprocessor in Scheme.
01:21:26 <Razor-X> Because I'm tired of M-x calc when doing my labs.
01:21:58 <Razor-X> If I'm typing up the expression to show work anyways, might as well have something do some arithmetic and other handy things.
01:37:27 <RodgerTheGreat> is anyone here intimately familiar with 68k machinecode?
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02:14:56 <GreaseMonkey> LOGO death virus tutorial: http://www.rohitab.com/discuss/index.php?showtopic=20088
02:16:58 <GreaseMonkey> "'m sick of all the lame tutorials describing how you can use a virus to destroy your school computers using just batch commands. They suck, as they don't destroy anything. My virus simply pwnz all of yourz coz it is the best. It actually kills your teacher and all the students in the class. It not only kills them... it's so much better than that.... it actually burns them alive."
02:20:55 <GreaseMonkey> "and its not a virus...it doesnt spread" "Then the pen needs to become a turtles willy so it can improegnate dogs and cats and other turtles.
02:20:55 <GreaseMonkey> And instead of dropping petrol it will have to drop chloroform.
02:21:36 <RodgerTheGreat> well, I guess I'm going to have to pore over some manuals to get a handle on creating machinecode for the 'ol dragonball EZ...
02:23:17 <GreaseMonkey> or some LOGO code for the ol' "DON'T USE PEN DOWN!" turtle
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05:36:12 <xor> never heard of irc][
05:36:18 <xor> but irssi is decent
05:36:56 <xor> yeah, irssi is console
06:09:25 <xor> a C -> JVM compiler would be interesting
06:17:44 <xor> mips2java looks ugly
06:18:00 <xor> why would you do binary to java source code translation?
06:19:01 <Asztal> http://www.axiomsol.com/
06:29:30 <xor> GregorR-L: That adds yet another emulation layer to java
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13:02:15 <saik0> i need some directive plz
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17:08:08 <ihope_> What's UDP provide, again?
17:09:18 <lindi-> ihope_: unreliable connectionless protocol for your custom needs :)
17:09:35 <ihope_> Just like IP, except on top of IP?
17:10:48 <lindi-> ihope_: udp provides ports
17:11:32 <ihope_> So it does do something, at least?
17:11:38 <ihope_> How much overhead is there?
17:12:03 <Razor-X> The packets are not guaranteed to reach, and if they reach they are not guaranteed to arrive in a particular order.
17:12:19 <lindi-> ihope_: 8 bytes if i count correctly :)
17:12:24 <jix_> weren't quake or so using udp for position updates and tcp for things like shooting which shouldn't be missed?
17:12:57 <Razor-X> If you're on a reliable local network, you should be able to use UDP with little/no trouble.
17:12:58 <lindi-> ihope_: variable length
17:13:03 <lindi-> ihope_: you can decide
17:13:16 <Razor-X> Over the internet.... it depends completely upon how your packet is routed.
17:13:16 <lindi-> 65535 is maximum i think
17:13:26 <lindi-> since the counter is two bytes
17:13:27 <Razor-X> ihope_: Take a look at the UDP RFC.
17:14:10 <Razor-X> I still haven't finished SLUMTP. I think I'm going to implement it in a different language.
17:16:03 <Razor-X> Actually, it probably will be Java.
17:16:11 <Razor-X> Is there a significant difference between IO in Java 5 and earlier versions?
17:16:21 <Razor-X> Only because that means I have to download a newer version of Java :P
17:18:29 <RodgerTheGreat> I'm not extremely experienced with network communications in Java, but I'm familiar with all of Java's file I/O facilities.
17:19:45 <Razor-X> I was looking at the UDP abstraction. I like it.
17:20:00 <Razor-X> Easy to follow (for me), unlike other abstractions.
17:20:47 <RodgerTheGreat> In Java, if you can read a Javadoc, you can pretty easily learn how to use any part of the API
17:21:30 <Razor-X> I appreciate Java's likeness to C, even if that is a bit selfish.
17:21:32 <RodgerTheGreat> creating proper Javadoc comments can be a pain at times, but it's really worth it in the long run.
17:26:18 <RodgerTheGreat> if you're interested in the differences between 1.4.2 and 1.5, this page is a fairly complete listing: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/relnotes/features.html
17:38:52 <Razor-X> Yeah. That is one I noticed.
17:46:38 <lindi-> Razor-X: please avoid java 1.5 features if you want people to be able to use your program with free software
17:52:46 <lindi-> Razor-X: fortunately those will be available soon
17:53:07 <Razor-X> How's the movement to OSS Java going?
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18:30:52 <lindi-> RodgerTheGreat: there are four free java compilers and at least 10+ jvms
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18:31:38 <lindi-> yes it's one of those four
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18:52:40 <RodgerTheGreat> bbl people- I'm off to prepare my thanksgiving f00dz0rz.
18:55:03 <calamari> we had ours on Tuesday, so I'm pretty much just being lazy today
18:56:00 <GregorR> Just rescheduled Thanksgiving, eh :P
18:56:28 <GregorR> On the one hand, that's brilliant. On the other hand, how dare you insult our meaningless holiday?
18:57:14 <calamari> well, I could have says happy turkey day
18:57:41 <calamari> oh, my stepmother wants Linux for Christmas
18:58:09 <calamari> so now that'll be both my dad and stepmom.. the Linux infection is spreading :)
18:58:23 <calamari> and my grandma if he ever brings her computer down
18:58:51 <calamari> wow.. 20gb just in my home directory
19:01:40 <GregorR> I just backed up my home directory quite recently.
19:02:52 <lament> let me guess.. half porn, half pirated music?
19:03:28 <xor> ...and half pirated movies
19:03:32 * calamari is proud to report 0% porn %0 pirated on his hd
19:04:26 <calamari> I do need to go through some old floppies and clean off any pirated dos apps.. not that anyone cares anymore
19:05:26 <calamari> but I guess decss is illegal here in the us :(
19:05:26 <lament> i have about 80% pirated 5% porn
19:05:43 <lament> actually probably less since my photographs take up lots of space nowadays
19:05:59 <calamari> Linux eliminates most of the need for pirated apps
19:06:29 <lament> by not being able to run them, yes.
19:06:31 <xor> hmmm 50% porn and 45% pirated
19:06:34 <lament> But I do want Photoshop
19:07:03 <calamari> the gimp does everything I need it to
19:07:13 <xor> I hate the gimp
19:07:42 <xor> I dunno I just can't use it
19:08:02 <calamari> I didn't like that .. but figured out how to consolidate them all into one
19:08:21 <lament> the gimp doesn't do everything i need it to
19:08:33 <lament> or maybe it does, i never bothered to figure it out
19:08:42 <lament> which is my main problem with it
19:08:43 <xor> meh, maybe I'm just not a photo editing kinda guy
19:08:53 <lament> and, of course, it doesn't have NeatImage (which i had to pirate separately...)
19:09:02 <lament> xor: maybe you just aren't
19:09:02 <calamari> does photoshop run under wine?
19:09:16 <xor> calamari: with some hackery
19:09:38 <lament> photoshop is almost indispensable for photo editing
19:10:00 <calamari> I used to like paint shop pro, but then they screwed it all up
19:10:40 <calamari> I bought it anyways because I was way past my 30 day trial period on version 4
19:11:02 <lament> it would be nice to have a simple free editor that would do the things i usually use photoshop for
19:11:55 <lament> but then still there would be occasions when that's not enough
19:13:25 <calamari> hmm, apparetly I have the wrong set of initials there
19:13:48 <lament> http://gallery.z3.ca/d/13143-1/poles.jpg
19:14:20 <lament> dunno if i'd be bothered to do that in gimp
19:14:36 <calamari> do you have a color version of that?
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19:16:48 <lament> burn the wooden poles, levels, convert to black and white using mostly the red channel, some more levels, unsharp mask
19:17:25 <lament> er, actually probably the blue channel
19:18:22 <calamari> has all sorts of crazy channel splitting and joining stuff actually
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19:36:55 <nooga> above program takes a and h from input and writes a/2*h to the output... it's in my new lang
19:37:32 <lament> your language looks quite a lot like befunge.
19:37:54 <nooga> not 2d and not stack based :>
19:49:19 <GreaseMonkey> a=getch();h=getch();putch(a>>1*h); // That'll be me for now
19:49:49 <GreaseMonkey> a!2=getch();h!2=getch();putch(a>>1*h); /* Better */
19:50:24 <GreaseMonkey> char a,h;a=getch();h=getch();putch(a>>1*h); // Fixed
19:50:44 <GreaseMonkey> a!1=getch();h!1=getch();putch(a>>1*h); /* Fixed */
19:52:08 <GreaseMonkey> why 32-bit P-mode ASM is so much better than 16-bit R-mode ASM: MOV eax,[edx]; MOV ecx,[eax];
19:53:03 <lindi-> GreaseMonkey: eflags too? ;)
19:54:13 <GreaseMonkey> with my design for a RISC architecture (which supports 64 instructions but only has 20 so far :D) you can read and write the flags register *directly*
19:55:09 <GreaseMonkey> however, in Z80 ASM: PUSH hl; PUSH af; POP hl; LD l,00h; PUSH hl; POP af; POP hl;
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20:03:33 <nooga> hvordan star det til?
20:05:13 <nooga> hm... i dunno what rusler means :D
20:06:03 <oerjan> walks slowly and aimlessly
20:06:46 <oerjan> the whole phrase means just about "nothing much"
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21:42:11 <oerjan> impossible, nooga here polish the is
21:42:54 <nooga> my host is a perl program :D
21:42:58 <nooga> ip-50.net-41.rev.inter-c.pl
21:43:58 <oerjan> you're lucky, my host is NO program. :(
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21:52:34 <lament> you guys are both lucky, i'm .NET :|
21:57:00 <Asztal> Apparently my host still uses DOS
21:57:37 <Asztal> Bleh, it isn't showing my hostname. But it's a .com.
21:57:51 <lament> it is showing your hostname.
21:58:14 <Asztal> oh. when I hover my mouse over the text it shows my IP instead :)
21:58:44 <Asztal> and now that I've whoised myself, when I hover, it shows my hostname.. :D
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