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00:08:15 * pikhq just had a really stupid idea. . .
00:08:33 <pikhq> Make a BF->C compiler which outputs C code which is also valid BF code.
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00:09:43 <oklopol> well, that's a more amphibious version of me thinking of making A program that is both C and BF
00:10:07 <pikhq> An example method:
00:12:38 <oklopol> of course, that way it's easier than making one program that is sensible c++ code and the same in brainfuck without comments
00:12:49 <oklopol> sensible as in not clearly brainfuck
00:12:58 <oklopol> of course need a lot of redundance
00:19:28 <oklopol> without comments p++-1; p--+1;
00:20:19 <oklopol> well, you can have 1[...] and have code normally in it, separated by commas
00:20:38 <oklopol> so, it's pretty trivial actually
00:22:39 <oklopol> commas are an operator tho, which i realized in the bathroom
00:23:01 <oklopol> so you have to do '[',']' or something everywhere
00:23:04 <pikhq> So take advantage of that. . . :p
00:23:16 <pikhq> Want me to upload the script?
00:25:01 <pikhq> http://pikhq.nonlogic.org/bf.tcl
00:25:16 <pikhq> Not very complex, but not bad for a quick hack.
00:27:27 <pikhq> Hell. . . I released a different way of doing it.
00:27:31 <pikhq> Define some macros.
00:27:40 <pikhq> +();-();>();, etc.
00:29:54 <oklopol> p+=+(-1); // <- and you can have the nice arrow
00:30:38 <oklopol> i don't think this is a C script
00:31:36 <oklopol> it gets fairly complicated with no comments
00:31:48 <pikhq> And is written in Tcl.
00:32:05 <oklopol> i mean, i can read it of course
00:32:18 <oklopol> but i've never seen it before
00:36:59 <oklopol> *p=getchar(),*p*=!feof(stdin);
00:37:08 <pikhq> Except for one thing. . .
00:37:24 <pikhq> That adds two, moves right, then subtract two.
00:38:10 <pikhq> That's equivalent to "" from a C perspective, I believe.
00:38:47 <pikhq> I'm pretty certain, that is.
00:39:17 <pikhq> That's my solution.
00:39:21 <oklopol> you might need +(+(p--)<0);
00:39:33 <pikhq> What I'm saying is that that performs the ++ operator, then the -- operator.
00:40:05 <oklopol> well, yes, but i meant it with the parenthesis, forgot to actually put them
00:40:13 <pikhq> It's like (p-=1)+=1;
00:40:32 <oklopol> yeah, a million possibilities
00:40:41 <oklopol> you can put many in, to be selected a t random
00:41:25 <pikhq> That'd be a bit of a trickier thing, and I'm lazy.
00:41:36 <oklopol> i like *p=getchar(),*p*=!feof(stdin); most
00:41:56 <oklopol> because the , is actually used
00:42:47 <oklopol> *p+=1 uses the bf-operator more tho
00:44:05 <oklopol> i'll learn lisp now, bye ->
00:45:08 <pikhq> Your . interpretation doesn't work. . .
00:46:36 <pikhq> I added int a;float b;
00:46:51 <pikhq> a=putchar(*p),b=1.0;
00:47:23 <pikhq> And now it's complaining about the unary minus thing.
00:50:17 <pikhq> basm.0.b.c:4458: error: wrong type argument to unary minus
00:51:03 <oklopol> putchar(int((*p)*1.0)); just do
00:51:58 <oklopol> where does it complain about an unary minus?
00:56:22 <pikhq> -(-(p++)>0); as well.
00:57:29 <oklopol> well, try converting the bool to an int
00:58:06 <pikhq> In C, there is no such thing as a "bool". . . "0" is an int.
00:58:16 <pikhq> It doesn't complain about -0-0;
00:58:22 <pikhq> It's complaining about the pointer./
00:58:31 <oklopol> char* doesn't support unary minus of course
01:00:17 <oklopol> i don't like it when non-rational things are not supported
01:00:38 <oklopol> no matter how much it helps newbies :\
01:00:45 <pikhq> Got a working version.
01:02:06 <CakeProphet> oklopol, yeah... all the weird stuff should be allowed for the sake of being there to tinker with.
01:02:32 <pikhq> It's not a function.
01:02:44 <pikhq> is the way to cast "foo" to an integer.
01:03:00 <fizzie> C++ would accept int(foo), too.
01:03:39 <oklopol> yeah, i've read that somewhere actually, didn't remember :\
01:03:45 <CakeProphet> (int) foo is even referred to as c-like type declaration in C++-lingo
01:03:47 <pikhq> http://pikhq.nonlogic.org/bf.tcl
01:03:59 <pikhq> Polyglot BF->C compiler.
01:04:05 <fizzie> Isn't that a "c-style cast"?
01:04:09 <pikhq> Now with thanks to oklopol.
01:04:49 <oklopol> it might do that with putchar actually :)
01:05:15 <pikhq> puts "putchar(*p*(1.0));"
01:05:32 <pikhq> It probably casts to char automagically.
01:05:33 <oklopol> yeah, you said something about it not working, but maybe you didn't
01:05:39 <pikhq> I thought it didn't work.
01:05:56 <oklopol> yeah, would be weird id they'd've added a float version to get it not working for floats
01:05:56 <pikhq> But there were a lot of errors. . . And I apparently did something stupid in saying that.
01:06:14 <oklopol> good you said it, i don't like it when i imagine things
01:08:15 <fizzie> "(int)foo" is called "the cast notation" in the C++ standard (5.4), while "int(foo)" is simply "explicit type conversion (functional notation)" (5.2.3).
01:08:36 <oklopol> N +'s of brainfuck -> *p+={(N-1)*"+ "}1;
01:08:53 <oklopol> where {(N-1)*"+ "} of course means "+ " N-1 times
01:09:19 <pikhq> 'cept that instead of "one" it'd be "N".
01:10:36 <fizzie> Why putchar(*p*(1.0)); and not the much simpler (and lacking the silly float conversion) putchar((1.0, *p)); ?
01:11:08 <oklopol> fizzie, it doesn't really matter, one can easily come up with tons of those :\
01:11:10 <fizzie> I only now realized what you were trying to do, anyway.
01:13:31 <oklopol> N >'s -> puts "-(int)(p+=N){>0 N times};"
01:13:43 <oklopol> but, of course you can't do it in the puts
01:13:56 <pikhq> I can do something different. . .
01:14:21 <pikhq> set string "-(int)(p+=$n)"
01:14:57 <pikhq> for {} {$n != 0} {incr n -1} {append string ">0"}
01:15:48 <CakeProphet> so... language advocacy is really starting to annoy me.
01:16:24 <pikhq> I like Tcl. . . It does what I need it to do, and I know it.
01:16:36 <pikhq> And I've grown fond of it. . .
01:16:40 <pikhq> What more reason do I need?
01:17:26 <CakeProphet> at least you didn't turn into a living advertisement.
01:17:46 <pikhq> That's all the language advocacy I do.
01:17:48 <oklopol> c++ is the BEST by the way, i'll be off reading lisp now ->
01:19:13 <pikhq> C++ is a language.
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01:19:25 <pikhq> It happens to be pretty good.
01:19:26 <oklopol> the function you had, i figured how you do that in the shower that morning
01:19:53 <oklopol> pikhq, i wasn't serious... just to be sure :)
01:20:14 <oklopol> okay, it didn't need clarification now that i see how i presented it :)
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01:21:08 <oklopol> bsmntbombdood, just that if you like to have your own code there, i can tell you the algo, unless you either know it or don't care or whatever
01:21:25 <fizzie> Re TCL, why not string repeat ">0" $n instead of the for loop? :p
01:21:54 <pikhq> fizzie: I don't have all of the string functions commited to memory.
01:35:29 <CakeProphet> hmmm... maybe a Category:Homoiconic should be added to the wiki?
01:44:58 <oklopol> the function you used to make the fractions
01:45:46 <oklopol> just that it's trivial to do that
01:46:24 <oklopol> and just don't feel sad to use code written by someone you don't know in a small project like that
01:47:22 <oklopol> i don't see why you would, tho
01:49:20 <oklopol> well, you take the fraction straight from the double, then just gcm it
01:50:22 <oklopol> the double is in a format ... * 2**..
01:50:54 <oklopol> so, you take the mantissa and the exponent straight from the number
01:51:00 <oklopol> assuming those are the terms
01:51:32 <oklopol> that is the gist of the problem
01:51:42 <oklopol> so i'm pretty sure it's the most efficient one
01:51:51 <oklopol> most efficient algorithm i mean
01:52:56 <oklopol> you can easily get the mantissa and exponent from a double in haskell, so why not in python
01:53:28 <oklopol> (i'm not sure if that makes sence, i just think of both as non- implementation spesific...)
01:53:55 <oklopol> (like, not having limits on how floating point numbers are stored)
01:54:28 <oklopol> (ignore all "<oklopol> \(.*\)")
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06:07:46 <Lea> Excellent.
06:07:50 <Lea> WOnderful.
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06:07:59 <Lea> So how do I make t-...
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06:38:41 <LeaLeaLea> ..Have you made the bot work yet..
06:43:28 <CakeProphet> I'll make my own bot... WAY BETTER THAN EGOBOT
06:44:20 <CakeProphet> bsmntbombdood, it has a glass interpreter?
06:45:21 <bsmntbombdood> You are allowed to make net connections with bsmnt_bot
06:46:37 <CakeProphet> I don't think I even have a compiler for it.
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07:22:10 <LeaLeaLea> I have no time for your shenanagens.
07:24:15 <bsmnt_bot> {'thread_info': <thread._local object at 0xb7d41890>, 'exec_global_tracer': <function exec_global_tracer at 0xb7cad994>, 'pprint': <module 'pprint' from '/usr/lib/python2.4/pprint.pyc'>, 're': <module 're' from '/usr/lib/python2.4/re.pyc'>, 'SysWrapper': <class __main__.SysWrapper at 0xb7ca935c>, 'exec_local_tracer': <function exec_local_tracer at 0xb7cc033c>, '__doc__': N
07:24:15 <bsmnt_bot> one, 'math': <module 'math' from '/usr/lib/python2.4/lib-dynload/math.so'>, 'IRCbot': <class __main__.IRCbot at 0xb7ca92fc>, 'args': {'IDENT': 'bsmnt', 'REALNAME': 'bsmntbombdood bot', 'CHAN': '#esoteric', 'NICK': 'bsmnt_bot', 'HOST': '85.188.1.26', 'PORT': 6667, 'VERBOSE': True}, '__builtins__': <module '__builtin__' (built-in)>, '__file__': '/bot/ircbot.py', 'inspect': <
07:24:15 <bsmnt_bot> module 'inspect' from '/usr/lib/python2.4/inspect.pyc'>, 'IRCFileWrapper': <class __main__.IRCFileWrapper at 0xb7ca932c>, 'sys': <module 'sys' (built-in)>, '__name__': '__main__', 'copy': <module 'copy' from '/usr/lib/python2.4/copy.pyc'>, 'types': <module 'types' from '/usr/lib/python2.4/types.pyc'>, 'socket': <module 'socket' from '/usr/lib/python2.4/socket.pyc'>, 'threa
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07:24:25 <bsmnt_bot> 'pickle' from '/usr/lib/python2.4/pickle.pyc'>, 'marshal': <module 'marshal' (built-in)>}
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07:25:50 <CakeProphet> What's the quick way to match all the beginner stuff with register_raw?
07:28:39 <bsmntbombdood> If you want to get stuff like the nick, match it against self.message_re
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07:32:45 <CakeProphet> ~exec import random;self.register_raw("\S*: *~roll (?<d>\d*) *$", lambda x,y: sys.stdout(random.randint(1,y.groupdict.get("d", 6))))
07:33:43 <CakeProphet> ~exec import random;self.register_raw("\S*: *~roll (?P<d>\d*) *$", lambda x,y: sys.stdout(random.randint(1,y.groupdict.get("d", 6))))
07:34:21 <CakeProphet> bsmntbombdood, what was the error message.
07:34:46 <CakeProphet> ~exec import random;self.register_raw("\S*: *~roll (?P<d>\d*) *$", lambda x,y: sys.stdout(random.randint(1,y.groupdict.get("d", 6))))
07:35:24 <CakeProphet> ~exec import random;self.register_raw("^\S*: *~roll (?P<d>\d*) *$", lambda x,y: sys.stdout(random.randint(1,y.groupdict.get("d", 6))))
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07:36:17 <bsmntbombdood> this is the format of a message: ":CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong?
07:37:56 <CakeProphet> ~exec import random;self.register_raw("^\S* PRIVMSG #esoteric : *~roll (?P<d>\d*) *$", lambda x,y: sys.stdout(random.randint(1,y.groupdict.get("d", 6))))
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07:40:24 <CakeProphet> ~exec import random;self.register_raw("^\S* PRIVMSG #esoteric : *~roll (?P<d>\d*) *$", lambda x,y: sys.stdout(random.randint(1,int(y.groups("d")))))
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07:40:50 <CakeProphet> ~exec import random;self.register_raw("^\S* PRIVMSG #esoteric : *~roll (?P<d>\d*) *$", lambda x,y: sys.stdout(str(random.randint(1,int(y.groups("d"))))))
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07:41:32 <CakeProphet> ~exec import random;self.register_raw("^\S* PRIVMSG #esoteric : *~roll (?P<d>\d*) *$", lambda x,y: sys.stdout(str(random.randint(1,int(y.group("d"))))))
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07:42:25 <CakeProphet> ~exec import random;self.register_raw("^\S* PRIVMSG #esoteric : *~roll (?P<d>\d*) *$", lambda x,y: sys.stdout(str(__import__("random").randint(1,int(y.groups("d"))))))
07:44:32 <CakeProphet> ~exec import random;self.register_raw("^\S* PRIVMSG #esoteric : *~roll (?P<d>\d*) *$", lambda x,y: sys.stdout.write(str(__import__("random").randint(1,int(y.groups("d"))))))
07:46:04 <CakeProphet> ~exec import random;self.register_raw("^\S* PRIVMSG #esoteric : *~roll (?P<d>\d*) *$", lambda x,y: sys.stdout.write(str(__import__("random").randint(1,int(y.group("d"))))))
07:47:44 <CakeProphet> ~exec globals()["random"] = __import__("random");self.register_raw("^\S* PRIVMSG #esoteric : *~roll (?P<d>\d*) *$", lambda x,y: sys.stdout.write(str(random.randint(1,int(y.group("d"))))))
07:56:33 <CakeProphet> ~exec self.__class__.imlazy = lambda x,f: self.register_raw("^\S* PRIVMSG #esoteric : *%s (?:(?: (.*?) ))* *", lambda ge,ha: sys.stdout(str(f(*ha.groups()))))
07:57:13 <CakeProphet> ~exec self.__class__.imlazy = lambda x,f: self.register_raw("^\S* PRIVMSG #esoteric : *%s (?:(?: (.*?) ))* *" % x, lambda ge,ha: sys.stdout(str(f(*ha.groups()))))
07:58:33 <CakeProphet> ~exec self.__class__.imlazy = lambda x,f: self.register_raw("^\S* PRIVMSG #esoteric : *%s (?P<inp>.*)$" % x, lambda ge,ha: sys.stdout(str(f(*ha.group("inp")))))
07:59:25 <CakeProphet> ~exec self.__class__.imlazy = lambda self, x,f: self.register_raw("^\S* PRIVMSG #esoteric : *%s (?P<inp>.*)$" % x, lambda ge,ha: sys.stdout(str(f(*ha.group("inp")))))
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08:00:51 <CakeProphet> ....how could it possibly get a typeerror?
08:01:27 <CakeProphet> ~exec self.__class__.imlazy = lambda self, x,f: self.register_raw("^\S* PRIVMSG #esoteric : *%s (?P<inp>.*)$" % x, lambda ge,ha: sys.stdout(str(f(ha.group("inp")))))
08:02:20 <CakeProphet> ~exec self.imlazy("~cat", lambda foo: foo)
08:03:32 <CakeProphet> ~exec self.imlazy("~dup", lambda x: "%s %s" % (x,x))
08:04:20 <CakeProphet> ~exec self.imlazy("~dog", lambda x: x[::-1])
08:09:43 <CakeProphet> ~exec self.imlazy("~rot", lambda x:"".join( [(chr((ord(c) if ord(c) < ord("n") else ord(c)-26)+13) if c != " " else " ") for c in x]))
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08:13:50 <CakeProphet> ~exec self.imlazy("~A", lambda x: " ".join(["".join(["A" for c in w]) for w in x.split()]) + "!")
08:14:07 <CakeProphet> ~A to be or not to be, that is the question
08:14:07 <bsmnt_bot> AA AA AA AAA AA AAA AAAA AA AAA AAAAAAAA!
08:15:02 <CakeProphet> I had to do a cheap hack to bypass the lack of conditionals.
08:15:18 <CakeProphet> I couldn't conditionally exclude whitespace from being converted... so I used split and applied a for loop to each word.
08:27:07 <CakeProphet> ~exec def mfit(src):; cmd = src[0]; src = src[1:]; if cmd == "~":; return src*2; elif cmd == "?":; if len(src)%2 == 0: return src.replace("?","\n").replace("~", "\t").replace("!","?").replace("\n","~").replace("\t","!"); else:; return src; else; print len(src); return ""
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10:13:33 <oerjan> amphibious programming FTW
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15:10:22 * SimonRC lols at the original iPod announcement at Slashdot.
15:10:22 <SimonRC> "No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame."
15:10:47 <SimonRC> oklopol: have you been reading Uncyclopedia again?
15:15:30 <oklopol> i've never read uncyclopedia :\
15:27:52 <CakeProphet> (AAAAAAAAA! is something from uncyclopedia)
15:34:44 <oklopol> http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/AAAAAAAAAAAAAA%21%21%21%21
15:43:40 <CakeProphet> what's the servername and hostname parameters of a USER IRC message for?
15:43:56 <CakeProphet> it seems odd that the server would request its own name in a USER message
15:46:09 <oklopol> it's for their internal messaging
15:46:26 <oklopol> just the same format between users and servers && servers and servers
15:46:34 <oklopol> if you supply it, it's ignored
15:46:48 <oklopol> read the rfc like us the rest of us
15:47:10 <SimonRC> CakeProphet: ok, my mistake
15:48:13 <CakeProphet> ....I did read the rfc... it didn't explain any of that
15:51:30 <oklopol> hmm, i'm not sure if the client rfc explains it, just saying they are ignored should suffice
15:51:42 <oklopol> you can read the server rfc if you care about details :)
15:52:55 <oklopol> Note that hostname and servername are normally ignored by the IRC
15:52:56 <oklopol> server when the USER command comes from a directly connected client
15:52:56 <oklopol> (for security reasons), but they are used in server to server
15:53:38 <oklopol> for security reasons... a very thorough explanation :)
16:00:45 <oklopol> god i chose the wrong lisp book :)
16:01:15 <oklopol> i've read 111 pages and i know EVAL, DEFUN and lists
16:01:40 <oklopol> i couldn't gotten all this information in 10 minutes from anyone who knows lisp
16:01:59 <oklopol> plus the book is from 1989... prolly changed quite a bit :)
16:02:10 <oklopol> but, gotta finish what i started
16:29:24 <ihope> There are two RFCs, eh?
16:29:32 <ihope> Is RFC 1459 the client one?
16:49:37 <fizzie> RFC 1459 is the old RFC.
16:49:49 <fizzie> The newer ones (there are 4 or 5 of them) start with a 2.
16:50:01 <fizzie> See http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/rfc/
16:50:17 <oklopol> why am i always so goddamn obsolete
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17:12:44 * SimonRC wonders why seperate layers are a good thing in software but a bad thing in your mind.
17:16:28 <oklopol> i thought mind was the ultimate layer management system
17:18:19 <SimonRC> Nonono, I was thinking about the Superego/Ego/Id thing, which IIRC Freud blames for many mental problems.
17:18:28 <SimonRC> OTOH, Freud wrote a lot of crap at times.
17:19:40 <oklopol> ah, you didn't mean different layers of abstraction, but that
17:20:21 <oklopol> isn't that more like... multithreading?
17:20:29 <oklopol> haven't read about that actualyl
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19:36:46 <oerjan> Entire computer? Including hardware? :)
19:37:10 <CakeProphet> nah... just the essentials and stuff I can't get elsewhere.
19:37:31 <CakeProphet> which compromises roughly 2.4 gigs of gzip compressed data.
19:37:38 <CakeProphet> which apparently is too large to... shove down my email...
19:38:44 <CakeProphet> once I get linux I can just access the partition directly.
19:39:38 <CakeProphet> I'm considering impatiently skipping the backup and booting it.
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20:42:43 <meatmanek> SevenInchBread is apparently a dick.
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