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12:02:12 <UnrelatedToQaz> !help
12:02:15 <EgoBot> help ps kill i eof flush show ls bf_txtgen usertrig daemon undaemon
12:02:18 <EgoBot> 1l 2l adjust axo bch bf{8,[16],32,64} funge93 fyb fybs glass glypho kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 unlambda whirl
12:06:44 <UnrelatedToQaz> !help funge93
12:06:48 <EgoBot> To use an interpreter: <interpreter> <program>  Note: <program> can be the actual program, an http:// URL, or a file:// URL which refers to my pseudofilesystem.
12:07:18 <UnrelatedToQaz> !help bf
12:07:21 <EgoBot> To use an interpreter: <interpreter> <program>  Note: <program> can be the actual program, an http:// URL, or a file:// URL which refers to my pseudofilesystem.
12:07:52 <UnrelatedToQaz> funge93 "h".@
12:08:02 <UnrelatedToQaz> didn't think so
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15:15:06 <nooga_> yo yo yyo
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19:32:53 <bsmntbombdood> An ELF loader, eh?
19:32:57 <bsmntbombdood> how does that work?
19:34:28 <bsmntbombdood> Can that be just a user program?
19:34:32 <bsmntbombdood> GregorR: ^
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20:04:37 <GregorR> bsmntbombdood: Well, there's a nasty trick to it.
20:04:56 <GregorR> bsmntbombdood: The only place that you can count on /not/ clobbering while loading a program is the stack.
20:05:09 <GregorR> bsmntbombdood: So ... I copy all the code I need to the stack before loading ^^
20:05:46 <GregorR> bsmntbombdood: The threat of stack-smashing arbitrary code execution is moot, since the purpose of a binary loader is to execute arbitrary code *shrugs*
20:07:02 <bsmntbombdood> hmm
20:07:38 <bsmntbombdood> How do you load the program?
20:08:18 <GregorR> mmap is your friend - it allows you to map anonymous memory /anywhere/, including areas inhabited by the text or data segment.
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20:52:45 <SevenInchBread> hmmm...
20:52:52 <SevenInchBread> so...
20:53:09 <SevenInchBread> I've come to a problem with Sophia.
20:53:18 <SevenInchBread> I'm not sure what specifies one "statement" from another..
20:53:34 <SevenInchBread> I don't want to use newlines... but I don't want semicolons either.
20:53:55 <SevenInchBread> I was kind of hoping something could just implicitly separate lines.
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21:06:00 <SevenInchBread> Lisp using parenthesis to know when to split from the expression yeah?
21:06:11 <SevenInchBread> but... I don't think that will work with this.
21:08:59 <SevenInchBread> you've got    expression := "(" expression* ")" | word | StringLiteral | NumberLiteral
21:09:05 <SevenInchBread> ...which is a lot like lisp
21:09:53 <SevenInchBread> but it's OO... instead of  (func arg1 arg2 ...)   you've got  (object message arg)
21:11:53 <bsmntbombdood> ...
21:13:01 <SevenInchBread> ...
21:13:01 <bsmntbombdood> ...
21:13:01 <SevenInchBread> YOU THERE
21:13:01 <SevenInchBread> HELP ME OUT WITH THIS... IT'LL BE FUN.
21:13:01 <SevenInchBread> It's my Lisp/Erlang/Smalltalk  thing.
21:13:27 <SevenInchBread> OH
21:13:28 <SevenInchBread> I KNOW
21:13:49 <SevenInchBread> I'll do the implicit-line-continuation-on-parenthesis thing... like Python.
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21:47:26 <SevenInchBread> bsmntbombdood,  aaaaah
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22:24:14 <bsmntbombdood> what?
22:24:44 <bsmntbombdood> SevenInchBread: 
22:25:14 <SevenInchBread> >.>
22:25:18 <SevenInchBread> nothing. :)
22:25:44 <bsmntbombdood> <SevenInchBread> I'll do the implicit-line-continuation-on-parenthesis thing... like Python.
22:25:47 <bsmntbombdood> ?
22:25:59 <bsmntbombdood> I don't know of a lisp that doesn't
22:26:14 <bsmntbombdood> lisps don't have a concept of lines
22:27:06 <SevenInchBread> well... lisp uses -only- parenthesis... where I'll be using newlines-but-only-if-no-parenthesis-are-open.
22:27:16 <SevenInchBread> because my syntax doesn't play nice with that.
22:28:10 <bsmntbombdood> hmm
22:29:18 <bsmntbombdood> so everything on a line would be one sexp?
22:29:34 <bsmntbombdood> "foo bar baz\n" is (foo bar baz)?
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22:31:47 <bsmntbombdood> ?
22:33:15 <bsmntbombdood> You see what I said?
22:34:05 <bsmntbombdood> that's not going to work well
22:35:35 <bsmntbombdood> better to keep the syntax nice and regular
22:44:26 <SevenInchBread> well see...
22:45:16 <SevenInchBread> method calls sort of skew the syntax away from being Lispable.
22:45:36 <SevenInchBread> (SophiaObject method 2) + 2
22:47:04 <SevenInchBread> parenthesis don't signify the start and end of an expression.
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22:47:35 <bsmntbombdood> huh?
22:49:07 <SevenInchBread> >.>
22:49:09 <SevenInchBread> well...
22:49:20 <SevenInchBread> ...
22:49:31 <bsmntbombdood> (send object 'method)?
22:51:46 <bsmntbombdood> or (object 'method), same thing
22:52:13 <SimonRC> ooh @ moon
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22:59:18 <SevenInchBread> hmmm...
22:59:29 <SevenInchBread> see.... parenthesis don't signify a call in Sophia... they just group expressions.
22:59:41 <SevenInchBread> so that can't be used to separate lines.
23:00:32 <SevenInchBread> I like just using newlines unless there's an open parenthesis
23:01:38 <SevenInchBread> or I could change the syntax to  object (message arg ...)   and say that each line is a message to the module. :)
23:02:45 <bsmntbombdood> or you could change the syntax to object.message(arg) and just use python
23:03:29 <SevenInchBread> nope... the semantics are totally different from Python. :P
23:03:54 <SevenInchBread> it's a bastard mix of Lisp, Smalltalk, and my own doing.
23:04:11 <bsmntbombdood> ok then, (method object arg) and use CLOS
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23:09:03 <SimonRC> bsmntbombdood: No you twallock I was talking about the eclipse.
23:09:15 <bsmntbombdood> eclipse?
23:09:27 <SimonRC> duh
23:09:47 <SimonRC> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6411991.stm
23:11:07 <bsmntbombdood> fun
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23:20:52 <SimonRC> sebbu: have you been watching?
23:21:02 <bsmntbombdood> ~raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood 
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23:21:30 <bsmntbombdood> wtf?
23:22:21 <bsmntbombdood> ~raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood 
23:22:21 <bsmnt_bot> bsmntbombdood
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