00:00:51 <oklopol> hating events?
00:01:39 <oerjan> no for how to get the information back
00:01:54 <oklopol> mm yeah
00:02:59 <oerjan> ah yes, it was the links at the end of http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms705672.aspx
00:03:33 <oklopol> seems so
00:03:40 <oklopol> i'll read tomorrow maybe
00:04:12 <oklopol> i wants my set_lp :<
00:04:20 <oklopol> lp... why lp?
00:04:24 <oklopol> ls maybe
00:04:36 <oklopol> i don't actually know what you call it
00:04:36 <oerjan> set_audio
00:04:47 <oerjan> since /dev/lp is the printer
00:05:08 <oklopol> oki
00:05:24 <oerjan> this made up out of thin air, naturally
00:05:58 <oklopol> i mean, the thingie that moves around in the loudspeaker, what's it called?
00:06:03 <oklopol> the cone of death?
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00:09:12 <oerjan> wikipedia says "diaphragm"
00:09:33 <oerjan> and also cone
00:10:00 <oklopol> oh
00:10:09 <oklopol> i wonder where i've seen that then :|
00:10:17 <oklopol> cone wanted to come out
00:10:41 <oklopol> even though i was thinking about tree cones
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00:19:27 <SevenInchBread> hot swapping is interesting... I wonder how smalltalk and Erlang do it.
00:19:54 <bsmntbombdood> zomg!
00:19:58 <bsmntbombdood> http://www.swiss.ai.mit.edu/classes/6.001/abelson-sussman-lectures/
00:21:44 <SevenInchBread> ...
00:21:47 <SevenInchBread> whooooo... a lecture.
00:23:04 <oerjan> my impression from Lambda the Ultimate is that they highly recommend those
00:23:22 * bsmntbombdood is downloading
00:23:45 <bsmntbombdood> I still haven't finished SICP though
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00:26:14 <bsmntbombdood> there's probably some way to make wget download all the .avi files from that page
00:27:06 <bsmntbombdood> I, however, don't know it
00:29:53 <oerjan> have you consider looking at the man page? :)
00:31:10 * oerjan is sorry already.
00:31:31 <bsmntbombdood> aha
00:31:45 <bsmntbombdood> wget -r -l1 -A.avi
00:32:46 <bsmntbombdood> yes, man pages are nice
00:33:11 <oerjan> mind you that page is big
00:33:20 <bsmntbombdood> huge
00:33:22 <GregorR> wget's man page is fairly overwhelming.
00:33:43 <bsmntbombdood> 1593 lines
00:34:22 <bsmntbombdood> heh, i don't have enough space for everything
00:35:00 <oerjan> even compressed?
00:35:26 <bsmntbombdood> the total is about 10GB
00:35:39 <bsmntbombdood> slightly less
00:36:11 <oerjan> actually I guess it is compressed already
00:36:16 <oerjan> being video
00:36:43 <bsmntbombdood> yeah
00:52:14 <bsmntbombdood> \n c f. n (\m.f m) c
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00:54:03 <oerjan> == \n c f. n f c
00:54:13 <bsmntbombdood> the "prim" function for church numerals
00:59:20 <bsmntbombdood> no
00:59:45 <bsmntbombdood> hmm
01:01:15 <oerjan> and with a little reordering, == I
01:01:45 <bsmntbombdood> \n c f.n (\m.f m (prim m c f)) c
01:01:48 <oerjan> essentially church numerals _are_ primitive recursion
01:13:52 * bsmntbombdood watches sussman
01:18:05 <bsmntbombdood> er, abelson
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01:20:45 <bsmntbombdood> and he is incredibly boring
01:33:36 <bsmntbombdood> agh
01:33:46 <bsmntbombdood> i hate the "box" analogy for functions
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02:16:10 <SevenInchBread> I think of functions as.... do-ers
02:16:34 <SevenInchBread> or just a tool.
02:16:39 <SevenInchBread> it has one purpose.
02:17:29 <SevenInchBread> OO-style objects.... are more like swiss army knives.
02:24:07 <bsmntbombdood> or just a function.
02:24:41 <bsmntbombdood> not everything needs an analogy
02:26:23 <RodgerTheGreat> does anyone know a PHP function that can do the same as java.String.startsWith() ?
02:26:40 <RodgerTheGreat> or do I have to do something using strpos?
02:26:48 <bsmntbombdood> haha, php
02:26:50 <bsmntbombdood> haha, java
02:27:07 <bsmntbombdood> an evil and a greater evil
02:27:16 <RodgerTheGreat> hey, make fun of Java all you want. PHP is useful.
02:28:02 <bsmntbombdood> What's the deal with people who serve everything through one php/cgi script?
02:28:20 <bsmntbombdood> Why would you want to write a slow and buggy webserver on top of a real one?
02:28:56 <RodgerTheGreat> that's not what I do...
02:29:16 <RodgerTheGreat> I just use PHP to tie mysql tables into my pages
02:36:19 <bsmntbombdood> databases ftl
02:38:18 <RodgerTheGreat> ...because hardcoding everything is infinitely superior
02:38:52 <RodgerTheGreat> or do you prefer flat-file storage systems? Mind-bleedingly efficient
02:39:24 <RodgerTheGreat> anyway, nvm. I managed to find documentation.
02:39:29 <oerjan> Nah we just use literal sector numbers
02:39:47 <bsmntbombdood> flat file storage systems
02:39:53 <RodgerTheGreat> must be interesting finding a FORTH plugin for apache
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05:34:41 <RodgerTheGreat> good night everyone
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05:47:44 <oklopol> databases have more than one dimension then?
05:47:49 <oklopol> though he's gone again
05:51:28 <oerjan> i suppose dependent on how you look at it, a relational database could have either two dimensions (row and column) or as many as they have columns
05:52:39 <bsmntbombdood> w
05:52:53 <oerjan> hat?
05:53:00 <bsmntbombdood> bad focus
05:59:31 <oklopol> then again, that's only an abstraction, any file can be considered having multiple dimensions if it seems appropriate
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07:57:42 <GreaseMonkey> afk food
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08:40:56 <nooga> ha'
08:41:20 <nooga> my raytracer written in SADOL almost works
08:42:37 <GreaseMonkey> ha'
08:42:46 <GreaseMonkey> my bot written in C almost works
08:42:54 <GreaseMonkey> wait. what's SADOL?
08:42:55 <nooga> http://pastebin.ca/401307 :D
08:43:22 <nooga> http://esolangs.org/wiki/SADOL
08:44:01 <nooga> almost like perl :}
08:49:01 <GreaseMonkey> sadol looks quite nice
08:49:41 <nooga> thx
08:50:37 <nooga> vector operations look kool
08:51:34 <nooga> #### #### ### :D
08:54:51 <Sukoshi> I would clap if I knew what a raytracer was.
08:55:38 * GreaseMonkey claps
08:55:40 <GreaseMonkey> i know
08:56:46 <nooga> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_tracing
08:57:10 <nooga> this one has only diffuse lightning and ball primitive
08:58:01 <nooga> but i'll code reflection and some cool shaders
08:58:07 <Sukoshi> Is that an actually helpful article, or something like Mathworld's definition of a bounded function being ``A property which a closed topological space exhibits''.
08:59:39 <nooga> here :P http://fuzzyphoton.tripod.com/howtowrt.htm 
09:06:17 <nooga> hm
10:12:18 <GreaseMonkey> gtg to bed, gnight everyone
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11:56:19 <ais523> And first, an apology.
11:56:32 * ais523 apologises for not providing the source code to their Dupdog interpreter
11:56:48 <ais523> because I wrote it in a Thutu wimpmode, and so nobody else could have run it
11:57:25 <ais523> But now, it's in the pastebin: http://pastebin.ca/raw/401416 (Dupdog interpreter), http://pastebin.ca/raw/401410 (Thutu2 wimpmode; work in progress)
11:58:28 <ais523> ~exec self.bf3="def bfarg(x,y):\n p=y.group(2)\n a=y.group(3)+unichr(0)\n o=''\n p=p+'!'\n t=[0]*30000\n i=0\n l=0\n while p[i]!='!':\n  if p[i]=='[' and t[l]==0:\n   c=1\n   while c>0:\n    i=i+1\n    if p[i]=='[': c=c+1\n    if p[i]==']': c=c-1\n  if p[i]==']' and t[l]!=0:\n   c=1\n   while c>0:\n    i=i-1\n    if p[i]==']': c=c+1\n    if p[i]=='[': c=c-1\n"
11:58:48 <ais523> ~exec self.bf4="  if p[i]=='+': t[l]=t[l]+1\n  if p[i]=='-': t[l]=t[l]-1\n  if p[i]=='<': l=l-1\n  if p[i]=='>': l=l+1\n  if p[i]=='.': o=o+unichr(t[l])\n  if p[i]==',':\n   t[l]=ord(a[0])\n   a=a[1:]\n  i=i+1\n sys.stdout(o)\nself.register_raw(r'\S+ PRIVMSG (\S+) :~bf ([^!]*)!?(.*)',bfarg)"
11:59:16 <ais523> ~exec exec(self.bf3+self.bf4)
11:59:27 <ais523> ~bf ,[.,]!bsmnt_bot needs better persistence
11:59:28 <bsmnt_bot> bsmnt_bot needs better persistence
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12:40:47 <RodgerTheGreat> 'morning, guys
12:44:56 <RodgerTheGreat> http://img.waffleimages.com/7a1f19b0d0ba1e5bac2d3ef48bb1c9de7a8efaef/bikecrash.gif
13:11:17 <oklopol> i assume that's you
13:13:13 <RodgerTheGreat> you are entitled to assume that
13:13:36 <RodgerTheGreat> the truth of that assumption, however, is questionable
13:14:11 <RodgerTheGreat> and I think we can all agree that's an esoteric way to say "no"
13:17:20 <RodgerTheGreat> bbl
13:17:29 <oklopol> bie
13:26:31 <SimonRC> ug
13:38:45 <RodgerTheGreat> bak
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16:06:32 <ais523> !ps d
16:06:35 <EgoBot> 1 ais523: daemon ul bf
16:06:37 <EgoBot> 2 ais523: daemon deadfish funge93
16:06:39 <EgoBot> 3 ais523: daemon dog funge93
16:06:41 <EgoBot> 4 ais523: ps
16:07:05 <ais523> ~ps
16:07:05 <bsmnt_bot> None
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16:11:40 <ais523> ~bf ,[.,]!!ul (~bf ,[.,]!!ul ):SaS(:SaS):SaS(:SaS):SaS(:SaS):SaS
16:11:40 <bsmnt_bot> !ul (~bf ,[.,]!!ul ):SaS(:SaS):SaS(:SaS):SaS(:SaS):SaS
16:11:43 <EgoBot> ~bf ,[.,]!!ul (~bf ,[.,]!!ul ):SaS(:SaS):SaS(:SaS):SaS(:SaS)
16:11:45 <bsmnt_bot> !ul (~bf ,[.,]!!ul ):SaS(:SaS):SaS(:SaS):SaS(:SaS)
16:11:47 <EgoBot> ~bf ,[.,]!!ul (~bf ,[.,]!!ul ):SaS(:SaS):SaS(:SaS)
16:11:48 <bsmnt_bot> !ul (~bf ,[.,]!!ul ):SaS(:SaS):SaS(:SaS)
16:11:51 <EgoBot> ~bf ,[.,]!!ul (~bf ,[.,]!!ul ):SaS(:SaS)
16:11:52 <bsmnt_bot> !ul (~bf ,[.,]!!ul ):SaS(:SaS)
16:11:55 <EgoBot> ~bf ,[.,]!!ul (~bf ,[.,]!!ul )
16:11:56 <bsmnt_bot> !ul (~bf ,[.,]!!ul )
16:14:44 <ais523> ~bf >,[>,]<[<]>.[>.]<[<]>.[>.]!~bf >,[>,]<[<]>.[>.]<[<]>.[>.]!
16:14:44 <bsmnt_bot> ~bf >,[>,]<[<]>.[>.]<[<]>.[>.]!
16:15:12 <ais523> ~bf >,[>,]<[<]>[.>]<[<]>[.>]!~bf >,[>,]<[<]>[.>]<[<]>[.>]!
16:15:13 <bsmnt_bot> ~bf >,[>,]<[<]>[.>]<[<]>[.>]!~bf >,[>,]<[<]>[.>]<[<]>[.>]!
16:15:49 <ais523> seems that it interpreted outputting a NUL as end-of-string
16:26:05 <ais523> this gives me an idea for an Easy quine
16:26:57 <ais523> +[->,[>,]<[<]>.[>.]<[<]>.[>.]<[<]]+[->,[>,]<[<]>.[>.]<[<]>.[>.]<[<]]
16:27:21 <ais523> (where EOF is 0, and the entire second half of the program is interpreted as input as soon as the square brackets become balanced).
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17:04:46 <SimonRC> hm
17:28:15 <ais523> hm what?
17:30:34 * SimonRC eats lunch
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18:15:01 <ais523> !ul ((!ul )SaS(:^)S):^
18:15:05 <EgoBot> !ul ((!ul )SaS(:^)S):^
18:19:54 <ais523> ~bf >,[>,]<[.<]>[>]<[.<]!~bf >,[>,]<[.<]>[>]<[.<]!
18:19:54 <bsmnt_bot> !]<.[<]>[>]<.[<],>[,> fb~!]<.[<]>[>]<.[<],>[,> fb~
18:19:57 <EgoBot> Huh?
18:20:15 <oklopol> wow, i actually figured out someone else's quine's idea
18:20:36 <ais523> this sort of thing is what's nice about Easy
18:20:48 <ais523> it's more or less Brainfuck, but you can intersperse expected input with the program
18:20:59 <ais523> in quite a similar way to using ! for input like bsmnt_bot's interpreter does
18:21:09 <oklopol> oh, easy is a language, i thought it was a glorified way to say i'm a noob :P
18:21:30 <ais523> come to think of it, I don't think the bots have an Easy interpreter
18:21:33 <ais523> !help
18:21:35 <EgoBot> help ps kill i eof flush show ls bf_txtgen usertrig daemon undaemon
18:21:37 <EgoBot> 1l 2l adjust axo bch bf{8,[16],32,64} funge93 fyb fybs glass glypho kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 unlambda whirl
18:21:58 <ais523> nope
18:22:47 <ais523> I don't think it would be too hard to write one for bsmnt_bot
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18:24:12 <ais523> ~exec self.bf5="def bfarg(x,y):\n p=y.group(2)+unichr(0)\n o=''\n p=p+'!'\n t=[0]*30000\n i=0\n l=0\n while p[i]!='!':\n  if p[i]=='[' and t[l]==0:\n   c=1\n   while c>0:\n    i=i+1\n    if p[i]=='[': c=c+1\n    if p[i]==']': c=c-1\n  if p[i]==']' and t[l]!=0:\n   c=1\n   while c>0:\n    i=i-1\n    if p[i]==']': c=c+1\n    if p[i]=='[': c=c-1\n"
18:25:29 <ais523> ~exec self.bf4="  if p[i]=='+': t[l]=t[l]+1\n  if p[i]=='-': t[l]=t[l]-1\n  if p[i]=='<': l=l-1\n  if p[i]=='>': l=l+1\n  if p[i]=='.': o=o+unichr(t[l])\n  if p[i]==',':\n   t[l]=ord(t[l+1])\n   t=t[:l]+t[l+2:]\n  i=i+1\n sys.stdout(o)\nself.register_raw(r'\S+ PRIVMSG (\S+) :~easy ([^!]*)!?(.*)',bfarg)"
18:25:43 <ais523> ~exec exec self.bf5+self.bf4
18:26:08 <ais523> ~easy ,H.,e.,l.,l.,o., .,w.,o.,r.,l.,d.,!.
18:26:24 <oklopol> hmm
18:26:25 <ais523> nope, not working
18:26:36 <ais523> besides I hadn't allowed for , inside square brackets
18:26:37 <oklopol> where did you tell it ~easy?
18:26:45 <ais523> ~bf ,[.,]!Hope I haven't crashed this
18:26:46 <bsmnt_bot> Hope I haven't crashed this
18:26:57 <ais523> "~easy" was at the end of bf6's definition
18:27:03 <oklopol> yeah
18:27:06 <oklopol> indeed
18:27:11 <ais523> which I called bf4 by mistake, but at least I was consistent
18:27:37 <ais523> ~easy +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
18:27:59 <ais523> ~exec sys.stdout(self.raw_regex_queue())
18:27:59 <bsmnt_bot> TypeError: 'list' object is not callable
18:28:02 <ais523> ~exec sys.stdout(self.raw_regex_queue)
18:28:03 <bsmnt_bot> [(<_sre.SRE_Pattern object at 0xb7d09c98>, <bound method IRCbot.pong of <__main__.IRCbot instance at 0xb7c7816c>>), (<_sre.SRE_Pattern object at 0x80d8a60>, <bound method IRCbot.do_quit of <__main__.IRCbot instance at 0xb7c7816c>>), (<_sre.SRE_Pattern object at 0x80d2220>, <bound method IRCbot.do_raw of <__main__.IRCbot instance at 0xb7c7816c>>), (<_sre.SRE_Pattern object 
18:28:07 <bsmnt_bot> at 0x80d2020>, <bound method IRCbot.do_ctcp of <__main__.IRCbot instance at 0xb7c7816c>>), (<_sre.SRE_Pattern object at 0x80d2690>, <bound method IRCbot.do_exec of <__main__.IRCbot instance at 0xb7c7816c>>), (<_sre.SRE_Pattern object at 0x80d28c8>, <bound method IRCbot.do_exec of <__main__.IRCbot instance at 0xb7c7816c>>), (<_sre.SRE_Pattern object at 0x8061cb8>, <bound me
18:28:12 <bsmnt_bot> thod IRCbot.do_ps of <__main__.IRCbot instance at 0xb7c7816c>>), (<_sre.SRE_Pattern object at 0x80d2b30>, <bound method IRCbot.do_kill of <__main__.IRCbot instance at 0xb7c7816c>>), (<_sre.SRE_Pattern object at 0x80d8078>, <function <lambda> at 0xb7c795a4>), (<_sre.SRE_Pattern object at 0x80d7b60>, <function <lambda> at 0xb7c836bc>), (<_sre.SRE_Pattern object at 0x80d6088>
18:28:17 <bsmnt_bot> , <function bfarg at 0xb7c7964c>)]
18:28:18 <oklopol> #bsmnt_bot_errors
18:28:26 <oklopol> he's crying.
18:28:28 <ais523> is that a real channel?
18:28:31 <oklopol> yes
18:28:36 <oklopol> /whois oklopol
18:29:03 <ais523> ~easy +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
18:29:20 <ais523> ~easy ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
18:29:33 <ais523> no obvious errors are coming out there
18:29:57 <ais523> ~exec This is not a real Python command.
18:29:58 <bsmnt_bot> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
18:30:43 <ais523> ~exec self.pop_raw_regex_queue()
18:30:43 <bsmnt_bot> AttributeError: IRCbot instance has no attribute 'pop_raw_regex_queue'
18:30:50 <ais523> ~exec self.raw_regex_queue.pop()
18:31:54 <ais523> ~exec self.bf6=" if p[i]=='+': t[l]=t[l]+1\n if p[i]=='-': t[l]=t[l]-1\n if p[i]=='<': l=l-1\n if p[i]=='>': l=l+1\n if p[i]=='.': o=o+unichr(t[l])\n if p[i]==',':\n t[l]=ord(t[l+1])\n t=t[:l]+t[l+2:]\n i=i+1\nsys.stdout(o)\nself. register_raw(r'\S+ PRIVMSG (\S+) :~easy (.*)',bfarg)"
18:32:07 <ais523> ~exec exec self.bf5+self.bf6
18:32:07 <bsmnt_bot> IndentationError: expected an indented block (line 27)
18:32:35 <ais523> ~bf ,[.,]!Is this still working?
18:32:43 <oklopol> :<
18:33:11 <ais523> ~exec self.bf4="  if p[i]=='+': t[l]=t[l]+1\n  if p[i]=='-': t[l]=t[l]-1\n  if p[i]=='<': l=l-1\n  if p[i]=='>': l=l+1\n  if p[i]=='.': o=o+unichr(t[l])\n  if p[i]==',':\n   t[l]=ord(a[0])\n   a=a[1:]\n  i=i+1\n sys.stdout(o)\nself.register_raw(r'\S+ PRIVMSG (\S+) :~bf ([^!]*)!?(.*)',bfarg)"
18:33:17 <ais523> ~exec self.bf3+self.bf4
18:33:28 <ais523> ~bf ,[.,]!Should be working now
18:33:46 <ais523> no errors, no response...
18:33:58 <ais523> ~exec sys.stdout("Is bsmnt_bot still running?")
18:33:59 <bsmnt_bot> Is bsmnt_bot still running?
18:34:05 <ais523> ~bf ,[.,]!Should be working now
18:34:53 <ais523> ~exec sys.stdout(repr(self.raw_regex_queue.peek()))
18:34:53 <bsmnt_bot> AttributeError: 'list' object has no attribute 'peek'
18:35:05 <ais523> ~exec sys.stdout(repr(self.raw_regex_queue[0]))
18:35:05 <bsmnt_bot> (<_sre.SRE_Pattern object at 0xb7d09c98>, <bound method IRCbot.pong of <__main__.IRCbot instance at 0xb7c7816c>>)
18:35:18 <ais523> ~exec sys.stdout(repr(self.raw_regex_queue[10]))
18:35:18 <bsmnt_bot> IndexError: list index out of range
18:35:21 <ais523> ~exec sys.stdout(repr(self.raw_regex_queue[8]))
18:35:22 <bsmnt_bot> (<_sre.SRE_Pattern object at 0x80d8078>, <function <lambda> at 0xb7c795a4>)
18:35:44 <ais523> ~exec sys.stdout(repr(self.raw_regex_queue[8][2]))
18:35:44 <bsmnt_bot> IndexError: tuple index out of range
18:35:58 <ais523> ~exec sys.stdout(repr(self.raw_regex_queue[8][1]))
18:35:59 <bsmnt_bot> <function <lambda> at 0xb7c795a4>
18:36:08 <ais523> ~exec sys.stdout(repr(self.raw_regex_queue[8][0]))
18:36:09 <bsmnt_bot> <_sre.SRE_Pattern object at 0x80d8078>
18:36:21 <ais523> ~exec sys.stdout(repr(self.raw_regex_queue[8][0].group(1)))
18:36:21 <bsmnt_bot> AttributeError: group
18:36:58 <ais523> OK, I've just managed to get myself confused. It's quite hard to poke around bsmnt_bot's internals when you don't actually know much Python
18:41:23 <bsmntbombdood> heh
18:43:09 <bsmntbombdood> what are you trying to do?
18:43:23 <ais523> program bsmnt_bot to do Easy
18:43:35 <bsmntbombdood> easy?
18:43:48 <ais523> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Easy
18:43:58 <ais523> like BF, but input is interspersed with the program
18:44:05 <ais523> it's considerably better for quines than BF is
18:44:24 <lament> Python Is Easy :)
18:44:47 <ais523> I interpreted your smiley as a TM marker there for a bit
18:50:41 <lament> a what marker?
18:51:02 <ais523> the little TM that you put at the end of something to show it's a company or if you're just being ironic
18:51:58 <lament> :)
19:07:44 <ais523> !dog )"?gnikorw I mA"(toudts.sys cexe~
19:07:45 <EgoBot> ~exec sys.stduot("Am I wroking?")
19:07:51 <ais523> !dog )"?gnikorw I mA"(tuodts.sys cexe~
19:07:55 <EgoBot> ~exec sys.stdout("Am I wroking?")
19:10:46 <ais523> !ps d
19:10:46 <ais523> now both bots have crashed...
19:10:46 <ais523> !quit
19:10:46 <ais523> sometimes restarting EgoBot helps...
19:10:49 <EgoBot> Huh?
19:10:51 <EgoBot> 1 ais523: daemon ul bf
19:10:53 <EgoBot> 2 ais523: daemon deadfish funge93
19:10:55 <EgoBot> 3 ais523: daemon dog funge93
19:10:57 <EgoBot> 4 ais523: ps
19:12:33 <ais523> ~ul (Test)S
19:12:41 <ais523> !ul Test(S)
19:12:47 <ais523> !ul (Test)S
19:12:49 <EgoBot> Test
19:14:50 <ais523> well, that's EgoBot back up at least
19:17:11 <ais523> !ul (~exec sys.stdout("Is bsmnt_bot not listening to me or not listening to anyone?"))S
19:17:13 <EgoBot> ~exec sys.stdout("Is bsmnt_bot not listening to me or not listening to anyone?")
19:17:23 <ais523> not to anyone, it seems
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21:42:31 <oerjan> ~exec list_dir("/bot")
21:42:55 <oerjan> ~exec sys.stdout(list_dir("/bot"))
21:43:07 <oerjan> ~exec sys.stdout("Anyone there?")
21:44:04 <oerjan> ~exec self.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm here")
21:44:17 <oerjan> dead as a doornail
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22:24:31 <bsmntbombdood> geg
22:24:36 <bsmntbombdood> *heh
22:24:37 <bsmntbombdood> hmm
22:25:08 <bsmntbombdood> foo
22:25:11 -!- bsmnt_bot has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)).
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22:25:15 <bsmntbombdood> odd
22:27:39 <SimonRC> :-S
22:30:18 <oerjan> ~exec sys.stdout(list_dir("/bot"))
22:30:18 <bsmnt_bot> NameError: name 'list_dir' is not defined
22:30:48 <oerjan> ~exec sys.stdout(dir_list("/bot"))
22:30:48 <bsmnt_bot> NameError: name 'dir_list' is not defined
22:31:12 <lament> what the hell is list_dir
22:31:16 <lament> or dir_list
22:32:20 <lament> ~exec sys.stdout(os.listdir(os.getcwd()))
22:32:21 <bsmnt_bot> ['bin', 'bot', 'etc', 'lib', 'usr']
22:32:32 <lament> ~exec sys.stdout(os.listdir('bot'))
22:32:32 <bsmnt_bot> ['scripts', 'betterbot.py', 'test.pickle', 'foo.py~', 'ski_repl.py', 'foo.py', 'ircbot.py~', 'start.sh', 'better.sh', 'ircbot.py']
22:33:26 <oerjan> ~exec sys.stdout(os.listdir("/bot/scripts"))
22:33:26 <bsmnt_bot> ['foo']
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22:34:24 <bsmntbombdood> os.listdir
22:38:08 <oerjan> ~exec with open("/bot/scripts/foo") as f: sys.stdout(f.readline())
22:38:08 <bsmnt_bot> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
22:38:24 <bsmntbombdood> python2.4
22:40:09 <oerjan> #!%&/=
22:41:19 <oerjan> ~exec f = open("/bot/scripts/foo"); sys.stdout(f.readline()); f.close()
22:41:19 <bsmnt_bot> fooo
22:41:42 <oerjan> ~exec f = open("/bot/scripts/foo"); sys.stdout(f.readlines()); f.close()
22:41:42 <bsmnt_bot> ['fooo\n']
22:42:17 <oerjan> ~exec sys.stdout(os.listdir("/lib"))
22:42:18 <bsmnt_bot> ['libm.so.6', 'libreadline.so.5', 'libacl.so.1', 'libdl-2.4.so', 'libresolv.so.2', 'libutil.so.1', 'libncurses.so.5', 'libattr.so.1', 'libcrypt.so.1', 'ld-linux.so.2', 'libdl.so.2', 'libpthread.so.0', 'libpam_misc.so.0', 'libpam.so.0', 'libc.so.6', 'librt.so.1']
22:42:24 <oerjan> ~exec sys.stdout(os.listdir("/"))
22:42:24 <bsmnt_bot> ['bin', 'bot', 'etc', 'lib', 'usr']
22:42:30 <oerjan> ~exec sys.stdout(os.listdir("/bot"))
22:42:30 <bsmnt_bot> ['scripts', 'betterbot.py', 'test.pickle', 'foo.py~', 'ski_repl.py', 'foo.py', 'ircbot.py~', 'start.sh', 'better.sh', 'ircbot.py']
22:42:36 <oerjan> ~exec sys.stdout(os.listdir("/bin"))
22:42:37 <bsmnt_bot> ['ls', 'bash']
22:42:40 <oerjan> ~exec sys.stdout(os.listdir("/usr"))
22:42:41 <bsmnt_bot> ['bin', 'lib', 'include']
22:42:44 <oerjan> ~exec sys.stdout(os.listdir("/usr/lib"))
22:42:45 <bsmnt_bot> ['libpthread.so', 'libskey.so.1', 'python2.4', 'libdl.so', 'libpython2.4.so.1.0']
22:42:52 <oerjan> ~exec sys.stdout(os.listdir("/usr/include"))
22:42:52 <bsmnt_bot> ['python2.4']
22:43:00 <oerjan> ~exec sys.stdout(os.listdir("/usr/include/python2.4"))
22:43:00 <bsmnt_bot> ['dictobject.h', 'pyerrors.h', 'traceback.h', 'Numeric', 'structmember.h', 'pyfpe.h', 'pymem.h', 'pymactoolbox.h', 'osdefs.h', 'bitset.h', 'parsetok.h', 'timefuncs.h', 'py_curses.h', 'tupleobject.h', 'pgenheaders.h', 'sliceobject.h', 'compile.h', 'bufferobject.h', 'weakrefobject.h', 'enumobject.h', 'pydebug.h', 'marshal.h', 'pyconfig.h', 'stringobject.h', 'pythonrun.h', 'c
22:43:00 <bsmnt_bot> odecs.h', 'pygetopt.h', 'structseq.h', 'rangeobject.h', 'ucnhash.h', 'datetime.h', 'metagrammar.h', 'cStringIO.h', 'graminit.h', 'methodobject.h', 'eval.h', 'descrobject.h', 'genobject.h', 'token.h', 'cobject.h', 'classobject.h', 'cellobject.h', 'boolobject.h', 'Python.h', 'grammar.h', 'symtable.h', 'longobject.h', 'node.h', 'pythread.h', 'floatobject.h', 'pgen.h', 'opcode
22:43:01 <bsmnt_bot> .h', 'pystate.h', 'object.h', 'patchlevel.h', 'setobject.h', 'intobject.h', 'intrcheck.h', 'objimpl.h', 'pystrtod.h', 'abstract.h', 'frameobject.h', 'complexobject.h', 'errcode.h', 'import.h', 'unicodeobject.h', 'pyport.h', 'sysmodule.h', 'fileobject.h', 'iterobject.h', 'ceval.h', 'funcobject.h', 'modsupport.h', 'listobject.h', 'moduleobject.h', 'longintrepr.h']
22:43:35 <oerjan> ~exec sys.stdout(os.listdir("/usr/bin"))
22:43:36 <bsmnt_bot> ['dc', 'nice', 'python2.4']
22:52:54 <oerjan> ~exec f = __import("urllib").urlopen("http://oerjan.nvg.org"); sys.stdout(f.readline()); f.close()
22:52:54 <bsmnt_bot> NameError: name '__import' is not defined
22:53:01 <oerjan> ~exec f = __import__("urllib").urlopen("http://oerjan.nvg.org"); sys.stdout(f.readline()); f.close()
22:53:02 <bsmnt_bot> IOError: [Errno socket error] (-2, 'Name or service not known')
22:53:19 <oerjan> ~exec f = __import__("urllib").urlopen("http://oerjan.nvg.org/"); sys.stdout(f.readline()); f.close()
22:53:27 <bsmnt_bot> IOError: [Errno socket error] (-2, 'Name or service not known')
22:55:04 <oerjan> ~exec f = __import__("urllib").urlopen("http:/129.241.210.70/~oerjan/"); sys.stdout(f.readline()); f.close()
22:55:04 <bsmnt_bot> IOError: [Errno http error] no host given
22:55:14 <oerjan> ~exec f = __import__("urllib").urlopen("http://129.241.210.70/~oerjan/"); sys.stdout(f.readline()); f.close()
22:55:19 <bsmnt_bot> IOError: [Errno socket error] (-2, 'Name or service not known')
22:55:27 <oerjan> darn.
22:55:43 <oerjan> more than just DNS lacking, i see
22:56:51 <oerjan> it's going to be a pain to download scripts then.
22:57:40 <oerjan> otoh i can appreciate you don't want to give us that much power :)
22:58:44 <oerjan> hm...
22:59:12 <oerjan> ~exec f = __import__("urllib").urlopen("http://129.241.210.70/~oerjan/"); sys.stdout(f.readline()); f.close()
22:59:13 <bsmnt_bot> IOError: [Errno socket error] (-2, 'Name or service not known')
23:00:00 <oerjan> wow that is some error list
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23:02:53 <oerjan> ~bf ++++++++[->++++++++<]>.
23:08:56 <bsmntbombdood> heh
23:09:24 <bsmntbombdood> it's not intentional
23:10:43 <oerjan> indeed?
23:11:57 <bsmntbombdood> not sure what's wrong with the internets inside the chroot
23:15:25 <bsmntbombdood> http://bsmntbombdood.mooo.com/knight_lambda.png
23:15:32 <bsmntbombdood> how's it look?
23:16:12 <oerjan> huge
23:18:08 <oerjan> that's better
23:20:10 <oerjan> it looks slightly unbalanced, maybe put the lambda and shield a bit more to the right
23:21:13 <oerjan> perhaps a slightly larger shield too
23:21:29 <oerjan> not sure about the last one
23:21:40 <bsmntbombdood> hmm
23:23:17 <bsmntbombdood> how about that?
23:23:31 <oerjan> about what?
23:23:41 <lament> why are you drawing knights of lambda calculus stuff.
23:25:23 <oerjan> perhaps a thicker shield border to balance the lambda more too
23:27:10 <oerjan> and then we might start thinking about colors.
23:27:18 <bsmntbombdood> colors are icky
23:27:31 <bsmntbombdood> lament: because
23:28:40 <bsmntbombdood> gah
23:28:44 <bsmntbombdood> I suck at inkscape
23:28:48 <lament> i think by this point in history it's quite a bit lame to claim to be in any way affiliated with the KotLC unless you're at least an MIT student.
23:28:49 <oerjan> in theory F could be a color map, so the shields could have different colors
23:30:03 <oerjan> maybe you could be a knight of SKI calculus. that would suit #esoteric better. :)
23:30:26 <bsmntbombdood> We would have to come up with some clever design
23:31:23 <oerjan> is that design based on anything official of the KotLC (which i know little about) ?
23:31:47 <bsmntbombdood> yeah
23:31:58 <bsmntbombdood> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lambda.png
23:32:16 <bsmntbombdood> that image was too small, so i vectorized it and made it bigger
23:32:47 <oerjan> oh.
23:33:08 <oerjan> it seems like most of my suggestions amounted to making your design more similar to the original.
23:33:45 <bsmntbombdood> the edge detection didn't work so well
23:39:14 <oerjan> we could do something like YF above = above F(F(...)), and Y written out in SKI terms
23:39:35 <oerjan> or perhaps even:
23:39:44 <oerjan> eh no.
23:40:45 <oerjan> anyhow the inside of parenthesis would be shrunk of course
23:40:54 <oerjan> now what was it
23:46:26 <oerjan> wikipedia mentions the combinator by John Tromp: S S K (S (K (S S (S (S S K)))) K)
23:48:13 <bsmntbombdood> is that Y?
23:48:47 <oerjan> essentially yes, but a shorter version than the usual one
23:53:51 <bsmntbombdood> http://pastebin.ca/raw/402527
23:54:01 <bsmntbombdood> the ackermann function in lambda calculus for church numerals