< 1175040066 0 :wooby!n=alan@cpe-66-67-60-51.rochester.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175040201 0 :jix__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht"
< 1175043521 0 :Figs!n=Figs@pool-71-126-177-130.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175044749 0 :SevenInchBread_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :SevenInchBread
< 1175046748 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://theory.stanford.edu/~vganesh/STPdocumentation.html
< 1175046754 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like the kind of thing you guys would enjoy
< 1175047022 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rofl
< 1175047022 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.netscrap.com/netscrap_detail.cfm?scrap_id=85
< 1175047532 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rararar
< 1175047549 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 hours till exam \o/
< 1175047750 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh... you can have a lot of fun putting a Brit and an American together :P
< 1175047796 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or by sleeping
< 1175047800 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty fun :<
< 1175047853 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1175047856 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'pissed'
< 1175047858 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example
< 1175047863 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :means two very different things
< 1175047866 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1175047871 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drunk vs angry, I guess
< 1175047931 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm
< 1175047939 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the past tense of peeing
< 1175048019 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1175048128 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i'd wake up to alarm clocks... i could sleep :<
< 1175048169 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... O.o
< 1175048180 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't you go to bed Oklopol?
< 1175048184 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're always up :P
< 1175048201 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i slept 8-14
< 1175048221 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... the whole monday
< 1175048250 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i go to bed i'll never wake up early enough
< 1175048260 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is no other place to sleep here
< 1175048270 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my floor is full of bottles and books
< 1175048335 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o
< 1175048512 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, this armchair of course, but it's too cosy once again
< 1175048525 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll sleep on the bus :|
< 1175049055 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"End of line."
< 1175049971 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :SevenInchWizard
< 1175050169 0 :SevenInchWizard!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :SevenInchBread
< 1175050288 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.shof.msrcsites.co.uk/sins.jpg
< 1175050292 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1175050998 0 :pikhq!n=isaiah@21-173.provalue.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175051029 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Lo.
< 1175051037 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi.
< 1175051039 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mid.
< 1175051041 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1175051052 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1175051171 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi pikhq 
< 1175051213 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey.
< 1175051437 0 :ShadowHntr!i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175051663 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.eldtrain.com.au/members/humour/humour11.htm
< 1175051811 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1175053478 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)
< 1175053890 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175053902 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1175053927 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this is what it looks like to irc from gaim
< 1175053941 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1175053950 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ctcp calamari version
< 1175053953 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1175053963 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess that's not implemented
< 1175054005 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it give a ctcp version response for me?
< 1175054035 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup.
< 1175054037 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaim IRC
< 1175054061 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it?  how lame.. hehe
< 1175054283 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gaim is laim
< 1175054351 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1175054543 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1175054545 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@.@
< 1175054547 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHHHH
< 1175054549 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck
< 1175054555 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not the language
< 1175054579 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds dangerous
< 1175054586 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed.
< 1175054588 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION leaveth
< 1175054603 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1175054609 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more painful
< 1175054611 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1175054612 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya pikhq
< 1175054613 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain is saying
< 1175054618 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You idiot, what are you doing!"
< 1175054647 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks up brain surgery on wikipedia
< 1175054727 0 :Sgeo!n=sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175054838 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox's toolbar customization sucks
< 1175054868 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello Sgeo
< 1175054874 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Figs 
< 1175055119 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1175055133 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can't we get a good browser?
< 1175055136 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE sucks
< 1175055139 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox is annoying...
< 1175055752 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger2/3718/3950/320/503462/card469.jpg
< 1175055754 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1175056182 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1175057566 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Himself
< 1175057573 0 :Himself!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Figs
< 1175059015 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you guys played this?
< 1175059015 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thethinkingblog.com/2007/03/de-activate-bomb-in-15-minutes.html
< 1175059284 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :giong to bed
< 1175059286 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1175060287 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I solved it first try!
< 1175060302 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted, with a mere 2:41 to go...
< 1175060867 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1175060887 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the third and fourth puzzles are really easy with a good knowledge of binary and a calculator, though
< 1175060896 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the flash game figs linked to
< 1175060908 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha flash
< 1175062019 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1175062099 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night, guys
< 1175062115 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gute nacht
< 1175062187 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1175065158 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :bsmntbombdood
< 1175065484 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :xor
< 1175065935 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1175065935 0 :helios24!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1175065935 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1175065945 0 :xor!i=gavin@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175065945 0 :helios24!i=helios@gaia.quasar-net.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175065945 0 :GregorR!n=GregorR@c-24-22-56-63.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175067587 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1175068799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
< 1175068800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175069559 0 :Sukoshi!n=user@user-11faa7l.dsl.mindspring.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175071638 0 :nazgjunk!n=htitan@wikipedia/Nazgjunk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175072003 0 :nazgjunk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bi-la Kaifa"
< 1175072032 0 :nazgjunk!n=htitan@wikipedia/Nazgjunk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175073387 0 :nazgjunk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1175073847 0 :nazgjunk!n=htitan@wikipedia/Nazgjunk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175078274 0 :nazgjunk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bi-la Kaifa"
< 1175078897 0 :nazgjunk!n=htitan@wikipedia/Nazgjunk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175080899 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-039-224.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175081970 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1175081991 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1175081991 0 :helios24!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1175081991 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1175081991 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1175081991 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1175081991 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1175081991 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1175081991 0 :nazgjunk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1175081991 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1175081991 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1175081991 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1175081991 0 :oklobot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1175081991 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1175081991 0 :meatmanek!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1175081991 0 :sekhmet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1175081991 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1175081991 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1175082020 0 :nazgjunk!n=htitan@wikipedia/Nazgjunk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175082020 0 :Sukoshi!n=user@user-11faa7l.dsl.mindspring.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175082020 0 :GregorR!n=GregorR@c-24-22-56-63.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175082020 0 :helios24!i=helios@gaia.quasar-net.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175082020 0 :xor!i=gavin@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175082020 0 :wooby!n=alan@cpe-66-67-60-51.rochester.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175082020 0 :lament!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175082020 0 :sekhmet!n=pez@76.201.145.21 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175082020 0 :oklobot!n=oklobot@194.251.102.88 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175082020 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175082020 0 :oklopol!n=villsalo@194.251.102.88 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175082020 0 :bsmnt_bot!i=gavin@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175082020 0 :tokigun!n=tokigun@haje8.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175082020 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175082020 0 :meatmanek!n=meatmane@cpe-65-29-79-179.indy.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175082020 0 :sp3tt!n=sp3tt@80-162.cust.umeaenergi.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175082020 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@122.46.198.22 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175082020 0 :mtve!i=mtve@mtve.vm.jvds.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175085045 0 :nazgjunk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1175085060 0 :nazgjunk!n=htitan@wikipedia/Nazgjunk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175088613 0 :RodgerTheGreat!n=Rodger@wads-5-232-13.resnet.mtu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175088628 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi everybody
< 1175092033 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dear agony aunt.  My results for various modules this year at university are very poor.  I got 4%, 8%, 15%, 16%, 23%, and 42%.  What is going on?  Yours, Lost."
< 1175092036 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehehe
< 1175092054 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1175092150 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRP:REQUEST:ELABORATE_PREVIOUS_OUTPUT
< 1175092162 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RUN
< 1175092210 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses continuation-passing style:
< 1175092255 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRP:REQUEST(GOOGLE):TELL_RODGER_ABOUT:("4 8 15 16 23 42").
< 1175093420 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing I watch on TV is "Mythbusters"
< 1175093572 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should watch SG-1
< 1175093705 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, good lord
< 1175093716 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen it before, and it was terrible
< 1175093732 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it pisses on everything good about the original movie
< 1175094211 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1175094217 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends which one you saw.
< 1175094222 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some are a bit crap.
< 1175094246 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And several seasons turned into big heaps of galactic politics.
< 1175094296 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, just a little thing I'd like you to spread around...
< 1175094317 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://conworlds.info/cwbb/index.php
< 1175094348 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a worldbuilding forum that I belong to that are trying to get some publicity.
< 1175094534 0 :crathman!n=chatzill@69.15.198.171 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175097532 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crathman: hi
< 1175097565 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, crathman 
< 1175097639 0 :crathman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :howdy
< 1175097651 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION plugs it again
< 1175097664 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://conworlds.info/cwbb/index.php
< 1175097671 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a worldbuilding forum I'm on
< 1175097680 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It neds more publicity, so spread it around
< 1175097686 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you care
< 1175098215 0 :ais523!n=chatzill@chillingi.eee.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175098272 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could someone explain Continuation Passing Style to me?
< 1175098309 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :continuation passign style is where you don't return the value to the caller, but instead you are given another function to pass that value to.
< 1175098333 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter is the "continuation"
< 1175098364 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand what a continuation is, so the explanation helped quite a bit
< 1175098381 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the point is that call/cc combined with CPS just gives you a regular return value...
< 1175098439 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1175098472 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cps is good for avoiding mutation wen doing stuff
< 1175098483 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. when appending to long lists.
< 1175098529 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't pass a list around, but a function that prepends that list to another.
< 1175098534 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-109-177.w86-218.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175098543 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kinda like CPS
< 1175098598 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION plugs a website again:     http://conworlds.info/cwbb/index.php  It's a worldbuilding forum I'm on.  It needs more publicity, so spread it around.
< 1175098603 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-S
< 1175098752 0 :jix__!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-055-244.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175098801 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argle
< 1175098823 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time I plug it, someone else comes on who I haven;t told yet
< 1175098895 0 :jix__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1175098897 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect many people here read the logs anyway
< 1175098926 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC was plugging a website, and got annoyed that jix__ joined just after the plug rather than just before
< 1175098936 0 :jix__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was there  before
< 1175098943 0 :jix__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am jix
< 1175098950 0 :jix__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just had a reconnect
< 1175098953 0 :jix__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i got the plug
< 1175098982 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clients probably need to show duplicate names only once, as it would help to avoid this sort of problem
< 1175099254 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1175099570 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1175101180 0 :ShadowHntr!i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175102176 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1175104605 0 :Figs!n=Figs@pool-71-126-177-130.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175105859 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1175105862 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :opinions?
< 1175105866 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on what?
< 1175105869 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tree = a < ((b<(d<i+j+k))+e);
< 1175105871 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you smell bad.
< 1175105880 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is working C++ coe
< 1175105881 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*code
< 1175105902 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is working code in very many languages.
< 1175105905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's working C code too, probably with a different meaning
< 1175105912 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's definitely working code in HOMESPRING
< 1175105920 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would guess it's working code in the majority of languages
< 1175105944 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with minor modifications like changing = to something else that means 'equals', or removing the semicolon)
< 1175105947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, in BF it goes off the left-hand end of the tape
< 1175105962 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next statement is
< 1175105966 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, maybe not the majority.
< 1175105966 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :print(Tree);
< 1175105976 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which causes the following to be printed on the screen:
< 1175105990 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a(b(d(i,j,k),e),c(f,g,h))
< 1175106020 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o
< 1175106033 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, didn't copy the whole definition earlier
< 1175106034 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tree = a < (((b<(d<i+j+k))+e)+(c<f+g+h));
< 1175106037 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go
< 1175106062 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < and + not < and > ?
< 1175106079 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the branch is <
< 1175106103 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should have redefined the whole nature of trees just so you could get away with using < and >
< 1175106114 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought about it
< 1175106129 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I actually want this system to be useful
< 1175106139 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1175106141 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1175106146 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's already pretty hard to understand
< 1175106150 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi oerjan
< 1175106160 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tree = a < (((b<(d<i+j+k))+e)+(c<f+g+h)); //Working C++ :D
< 1175106164 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are a,b,c, etc, existing variables, or does the system just convert them to strings?
< 1175106167 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :output: a(b(d(i,j,k),e),c(f,g,h))
< 1175106173 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :existing vars
< 1175106177 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi all
< 1175106198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is busy trying to implement CLC-INTERCAL features in C-INTERCAL
< 1175106206 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: not sure what do you mean by "useful" :)
< 1175106220 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/dbzV1598.html
< 1175106231 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, to be used in an actual project ;)
< 1175106294 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably end up writing a project in an esolang some day
< 1175106310 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've already ended up hardcoding bits of programs in assembler to work round compiler bugs
< 1175106319 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1175106337 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and assembler's halfway to being an esolang
< 1175106344 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1175106344 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: not sure what kind of "actual project" needs hardcoded definition of trees.
< 1175106369 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: These aren't exactly, "hard" coded ;)
< 1175106382 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think about it like this:
< 1175106385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a b d i  j  k   e   c f  g  h
< 1175106390 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a program that reads a file
< 1175106395 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the tree you wrote above in HOMESPRING notation)
< 1175106403 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokenizing as it goes
< 1175106406 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier to understand and faster to write, isn't it?
< 1175106418 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and interprets the tokens and reassembles a sequence (tree structure) by parsing it
< 1175106420 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: .........yeah
< 1175106424 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I can then operate on
< 1175106438 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to dynamically add and remove rules from the parser :D!
< 1175106532 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o
< 1175106533 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep
< 1175106547 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can think of some weird uses for tree-manip. functions
< 1175106574 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :functions that clone trees and graft the clones on as new branches...
< 1175106688 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 5 lines of code, it works!
< 1175106689 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1175106701 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some languages are better for trees than others
< 1175106714 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tree is the easiest data structure to understand in both Unlambda and Underload
< 1175106717 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for much the same reasons)
< 1175106738 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the tree is most certainly one of the harder to understand ds's when you try to use it in C++
< 1175106759 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1175106771 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my opinion on it, at least :P
< 1175106806 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tree is almost the same as a linked list
< 1175106807 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/s9qVJt20.html
< 1175106913 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reading the logs, and doesn't understand why Figs said bruteforcing the 4444 problem by setting up trees is hard.  Figs must not know Haskell.  :)
< 1175106926 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know Haskell :P
< 1175106934 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have logs?
< 1175106941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at the topic
< 1175106957 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the bot that logs?
< 1175106960 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1175106964 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed that somehow
< 1175106964 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1175106967 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tunes log (http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/) loads faster
< 1175106970 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xor: clog and cmeme
< 1175107006 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tunes project did one useful thing, so far.
< 1175107010 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logging bots.
< 1175107039 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh :)
< 1175107069 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well no, their list of resources for learning CS was pretty awesome)
< 1175107131 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it seems they have removed that
< 1175107149 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I talked to much on 07.03.26
< 1175107151 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1175107153 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the log is bigger
< 1175107155 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really would like to see a completely theorem-proven operating system.  It should do wonders for security.
< 1175107185 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never understood these "proven correct" programs
< 1175107191 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just wait 50 years for tunes to come out.
< 1175107193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to see a programming language in which writing a completely theorem-proven operating system would be reasonable
< 1175107283 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it will take 50 years.  I think it will be less than 10 years until we have such a programming language.
< 1175107314 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i thought we already did?
< 1175107321 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1175107323 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"reasonable"
< 1175107326 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1175107328 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well if you are a genius you do :)
< 1175107338 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language? :P
< 1175107339 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: frankly i don't believe it will ever happen
< 1175107360 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't know what you mean by theorem-proven
< 1175107399 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because 1) it's still run by humans, so worms etc will still be a problem, so security gains are almost non-existent 2) it's too much effort for too little benefit
< 1175107403 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any of the new dependently typed languages should be usable if you are smart enough.  If your name is Oleg Kiselyov it is rumored even Haskell may do :)
< 1175107452 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course the programming language is just one step.
< 1175107481 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually defining what it means to be secure is just as important, in order to avoid worms and the like.
< 1175107521 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything run by humans cannot be secure by their own definition.
< 1175107542 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Machine take-over!
< 1175107547 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1175107551 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand why you say that.
< 1175107554 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. You cannot browse the web.
< 1175107560 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Unnecessary is completely secure
< 1175107564 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will read your mind, and browse for you.
< 1175107564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not particularly useful
< 1175107606 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, look at the current generation of worms; for the most part, they don't breach security in any technical sense
< 1175107615 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course you can browse the web if your web browser is proven secure.
< 1175107633 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the user freely and (technically) knowingly permits the malware to run.
< 1175107668 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's the way it's always gonna be.
< 1175107673 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1175107684 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the alternative is a horribly bureaucratic OS that nobody would want to use.
< 1175107696 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows XP w/ access controls!
< 1175107700 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example.
< 1175107701 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, they are there)
< 1175107719 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's different, because XP still has actual technical security issues
< 1175107730 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :our hypothetical OS wouldn't, but worms would be there just the same.
< 1175107745 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't agree with you.
< 1175107771 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get an executable in an email. You run the executable. Bad things happen. No amount on "proof" can prevent this situation.
< 1175107790 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point would be to make the operating system so flexible that nearly everything you need to run _can_ contain a proof of its own security.
< 1175107804 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternative: you get an executable in an email. No matter how useful it might be, your OS won't let you run it.
< 1175107828 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Security through inability'
< 1175107844 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your password is "sex". Bad things happen. No amount of "proof" can prevent this.
< 1175107861 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compromise:  You _can_ make an exception, but it would be _so_ rare that no one would do it for something that came through email.
< 1175107905 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is
< 1175107909 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy crap
< 1175107910 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.trnicely.net/misc/vista.html
< 1175107923 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not in any way bad to receive executables, so the OS should allow you to do that.
< 1175107939 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not in any way bad to let user to run their executables, so the OS should allow you to do that.
< 1175107955 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not in any way bad for an executable to DOS microsoft.com, so the OS should allow the executable to do that.
< 1175107977 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you can somehow prove that the latter is bad.
< 1175107996 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worm code _will_ be proven "secure"
< 1175108005 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you will have no problems running it
< 1175108011 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it will still do Bad Stuff
< 1175108019 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting.
< 1175108034 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will not be able to get root or something like that.
< 1175108037 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to but Godlike 2.6 on the computer that analyzes all running code, and grinds your computer to a near halt
< 1175108040 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*put
< 1175108047 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the same as browsers being allowed to open annoyingly many windows, essentially.
< 1175108053 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure.
< 1175108054 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but makes sure your computer has morals.
< 1175108078 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("OMG, you're looking at pr0n? No more Internet Explorer for you!")
< 1175108082 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1175108101 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Begs the question... if my computer will be forced to have morals... whose morals?
< 1175108108 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: despite the lack of theorem-proved systems, there has already been a huge switch from actually exploting holes to exploiting naive users
< 1175108132 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: back when people used DOS, there were plenty of actual viruses that actually infected programs and then took over the system.
< 1175108144 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days, it's mostly worms that get the attention
< 1175108166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days, I suspect the average computer user is less intelligent
< 1175108181 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as evidenced by the 'How to open the box the OS comes in' in Windows Vista's FAQ
< 1175108185 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you can't theorem-prove your users, which is my point :)
< 1175108188 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o
< 1175108199 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thought of an awful malware program ;)
< 1175108218 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's been done years ago ;P
< 1175108320 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... DOS attacks are somewhat difficult because they don't use excessively many resources on the computer where they are running, unlike annoying browser windows.
< 1175108354 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even annoying browser windows can't exactly be proven to be annoying
< 1175108355 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So good resource management policy would be insufficient.
< 1175108376 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the simplest way (and I use it to secure most people's win32)
< 1175108385 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No but popup managers can do a good job.
< 1175108387 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is to block registry
< 1175108401 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sure, but that has nothing to do with proof-based security.
< 1175108402 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and manually allow/deny each change
< 1175108486 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1175108548 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof-based security will always have to prove against a policy.
< 1175108578 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I said that already? :(
< 1175108597 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you did
< 1175108612 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :04[07:53:02] Figs: 01Begs the question... if my computer will be forced to have morals... whose morals?
< 1175108641 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOS attack may be desired by the user
< 1175108644 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a better advantage may be that once the proof has gone through, you can drop all checks that have been proved unnecessary.
< 1175108716 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in a sense proof-carrying code is just a way to optimize away runtime checks.
< 1175108856 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course the user should in principle be able to set the policy.
< 1175108874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be vunerable to social engineering methods
< 1175108907 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/Checking_Your_Digits.aspx
< 1175108927 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps.  the policy changer should at least have reasonable warnings.
< 1175108929 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a program that looks like the Chevron logo!
< 1175108932 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorta
< 1175109638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1175110274 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who can come up with the shortest code to turn a number into a list of digits, base 10?
< 1175110297 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :show
< 1175110310 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1175110314 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language?
< 1175110319 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell
< 1175110329 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :count me out then :P
< 1175110340 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :str
< 1175110342 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python
< 1175110342 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any language
< 1175110343 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i win
< 1175110350 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn.
< 1175110358 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh damn
< 1175110361 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't think of that
< 1175110369 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(strings aren't lists in python, but they ARE sequences)
< 1175110381 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1175110388 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[int(i) for i in str(n)]
< 1175110390 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will do it
< 1175110391 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless by 'digit' you mean number
< 1175110394 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not character
< 1175110418 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean numbers or characters?
< 1175110423 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :numbers
< 1175110427 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1175110439 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then in python: map(int,str(n))
< 1175110448 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fromEnum . (:[]) . show
< 1175110449 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: map is depreciated
< 1175110456 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xor: so?
< 1175110458 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, i mean
< 1175110467 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, lets make this base 53
< 1175110494 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :map (read . (:[])) . show
< 1175110516 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def f(n):
< 1175110516 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    l = []
< 1175110517 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    while n:
< 1175110517 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        l.append(n%53); n /= 53
< 1175110517 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    return l[::-1]
< 1175110523 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my crappy python
< 1175110585 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the number passed as a string?
< 1175110588 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1175110602 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no srings attached
< 1175110619 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include <boost/lambda/lambda.hpp>
< 1175110625 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include <iostream>
< 1175110627 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include <string>
< 1175110631 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using namespace std;
< 1175110639 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using namespace boost::lambda;
< 1175110648 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason, I really think that C++ fails at this
< 1175110652 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include <boost/lexical_cast.hpp>
< 1175110659 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main()
< 1175110661 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xor: really :D
< 1175110661 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{
< 1175110683 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :string s = boost::lexical_cast<string>(number);
< 1175110715 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for_each(s.begin(),s.end(),cout<< _1 <<'\n');
< 1175110716 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :return 0;
< 1175110717 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :}
< 1175110752 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, here is my code as a list comprehension:
< 1175110757 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def f(n): import math; return [(n/(53**i))%53 for i in range(math.ceil(math.log(n, 53)))]
< 1175110760 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty good
< 1175110792 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, tack [::-1] onto the end of that
< 1175110803 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is _that_ base 10?
< 1175110804 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, imagine doing it in C :P
< 1175110804 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most significant digit first
< 1175110808 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, base 53
< 1175110819 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1175110825 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, hm.
< 1175110832 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :import Numeric
< 1175110835 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't do the converting to string copout
< 1175110871 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f n = showIntAtBase 53 id n
< 1175110880 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yoohoo!
< 1175110889 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame
< 1175110899 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's my code
< 1175110900 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def f(n):return(n>52 and f(n/53)or[])+[n%53]
< 1175110950 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another way then.
< 1175110961 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :import Data.List
< 1175110983 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f 0 = [0]
< 1175111001 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: nice
< 1175111182 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f n = reverse $ unfoldr g n where g 0 = Nothing; g n = Just (n `mod` 53, n `div` 53)
< 1175111191 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think
< 1175111259 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, better to copy lament i think
< 1175111333 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except his code fails at 0
< 1175111337 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think
< 1175111350 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1175111364 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: doesn't
< 1175111366 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed.
< 1175111369 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1175111388 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only that
< 1175111393 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my code even sort of works for negative numbers :D
< 1175111413 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does?
< 1175111415 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1175111455 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just returns n%53
< 1175111464 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least it doesn't crash or anything :D
< 1175111476 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine crashes
< 1175111486 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't take the log of a negative number
< 1175111498 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f n = (if n > 52 then f(n `div` 53) else []) ++ [n `mod` 53]
< 1175111526 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is `x` ?
< 1175111549 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turning a function into an operator
< 1175111569 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n `div` 53 = div n 53
< 1175111633 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems haskell loses on slightly less compact syntax
< 1175111761 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless, hm...
< 1175111960 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f n=(if n>52 then f(n`div`53)else[])++[n`mod`53]
< 1175111975 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it's a tie with all unnecessary spaces removed
< 1175112039 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, wait
< 1175112047 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1175112059 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is not
< 1175112194 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{53Ntb_} in oklotalk
< 1175112207 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i'm of course adding built-ins as needed :)
< 1175112223 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bops oklopol on the head
< 1175112278 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1175112456 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok one more try
< 1175112464 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f n=[a|n>52,a<-f(n`div`53)]++[n`mod`53]
< 1175112469 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{0->0;_%53:.$_/53} in oklotalk without the built-in function
< 1175112476 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes!
< 1175112479 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1175112489 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you won in existing languages...
< 1175112529 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1175112530 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conveniently a list comprehension with guard at the beginning gives []
< 1175112805 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should RAID our brains
< 1175112965 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAID 5, probably, because no one wants to be dedicated parity
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< 1175118423 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! I'm finally learning shit about computer architectures.
< 1175118439 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you eat anal residue?
< 1175118440 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf?
< 1175118459 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is working on a theretical computer system that runs with pentits (or however you call them)
< 1175118482 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5-valued thingies.
< 1175118490 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pits
< 1175118497 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....PITS
< 1175118557 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quits i think.
< 1175118571 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be logical anyhow.
< 1175118572 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a sucky name.
< 1175118577 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pentits and pits
< 1175118599 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bits, terts, quits from Latin bini, terni, quini.
< 1175118635 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary digit, ternary digit i'm pretty sure
< 1175118647 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would replace binary NOT with SWISH  and DROOP.
< 1175118663 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...quarternary digit next if i guessed 4 right :)
< 1175118692 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* everybody keeps swapping mindlessly between Latin and Greek.  Hexadecimal is even a hybrid.
< 1175118710 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use -15, -5, 0, 5, 15   to represent the possible values - then swish will basically reverse the polarity, -5 become 5 and 5 becomes -5
< 1175118713 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....fuck word origins.
< 1175118719 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quaternary
< 1175118723 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PENTIT SOUNDS COOLER THAN QUIT... I WILL NOT FOLLOW YOUR CUSTOMS.
< 1175118767 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think 'pet' would be nice too
< 1175118792 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and DROOP represents the other dimension - it lowers shifts the value closer to 0   (not sure what 0 will do - might stay the same or it might wrap back around to -15 or 15)
< 1175118804 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pet sounds cool. :)
< 1175118813 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary is the way to go
< 1175118820 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOPE
< 1175118932 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is interesting to consider the possibilities though... the number of capacitors you'd need would plummet dramatically to represent the same amount of data... you could put 5 interupts per line (or is it 4?)... 
< 1175118949 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some other nifty things.
< 1175118993 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SevenInchBread no.
< 1175119012 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??
< 1175119043 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thingies are as small as they get with the current technology, more states would require bigger thingies
< 1175119067 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... it would?
< 1175119092 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit is low charge or high charge... you couldn't split it into 5 levels without making it bigger?
< 1175119099 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1175119121 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah, I'm not really considering a practical implementation here.
< 1175119125 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a transistor is binary
< 1175119138 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would need an exponential growth in the number of wire thingies in the storage thingie
< 1175119161 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1175119165 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you probably wouldn't
< 1175119189 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's clear even 3 states would make as microscopic stuff as in a pc impossible
< 1175119225 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....well, transistors aren't strictly binary... otherwise they wouldn't play nice with analog devices like my guitar amp.
< 1175119287 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, binary transfer is faster and safer than analog
< 1175119345 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.>
< 1175119368 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought.... the main advantage of analog computers was the increase in speed?
< 1175119377 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never.
< 1175119423 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've no idea what an analog computer is, so i have no say there really
< 1175119425 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1175119462 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an analog comptuer is a comptuer that isn't... digital
< 1175119478 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the hydraulic one the Brits made to simulate economy.
< 1175119478 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know
< 1175119520 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, quantum computers are the way to go
< 1175119529 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even so... a 5-value system is still digital.
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< 1175119556 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but you are wrong in thinking it can be made smaller
< 1175119594 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not smaller... just hold more information per unit - I guess.
< 1175119605 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't mean to delve into physical properties.
< 1175119626 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's pretty obvious :=)
< 1175119650 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use a calculator for storing one ...pet
< 1175119900 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... analog computers are much faster for doing computations that are related to their physical properties.
< 1175119917 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...would be cool if we had hybrid computers.
< 1175119923 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that did a little bit of both.
< 1175119977 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qubits will do anything
< 1175120009 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SevenInchBread: that's very easy.
< 1175120013 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SevenInchBread: you just need analog hardware.
< 1175120026 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :connected to a digital computer.
< 1175120051 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(same with quantum computers - they're just regular computers equipped with a quantum register)
< 1175120086 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SevenInchBread: Analog hardware is easy to get - for example, a microphone - but you will need to construct something specialized for solving differential equations or whatnot.
< 1175120290 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... guess you could just plug some analog hardware into your computer and feed certain problems through it.
< 1175120315 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT
< 1175120345 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not standardize... so you can't take advantage of having most modern computers having these certain "analog functions".
< 1175120358 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....no big deal though.
< 1175120582 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so?
< 1175120588 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of graphics cards
< 1175120596 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do magic
< 1175120610 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do operations that your computer would otherwise do anyway, but much faster
< 1175120617 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with analog stuff
< 1175120625 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would plug in a "differential equations card"
< 1175120659 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as soon as a game comes out that uses differential equations to simulate physics, and it runs fine with the card and poorly without, everybody will buy the card.
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< 1175122395 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... I didn't actually know what graphics cards did. :)
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< 1175124327 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphics cards use totally normal digital hardware, but it's very specialized for it's purpose.
< 1175124335 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more specialized = more efficient.
< 1175124371 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the heart of a modern GPU is really a vector processor- an ALU built for doing matrix multiplications.
< 1175125454 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... are there different ways to run processes in the background on different linux distros.
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