< 1176249895 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we can wrap the extra info needed, no? < 1176249907 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. < 1176249940 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a tag for the actual class, somehow, i guess. < 1176250825 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=Greasemo@222-154-150-56.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1176251137 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Reboot" < 1176251252 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1176251851 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was the plan. < 1176251867 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's runtime < 1176252077 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmnt^bomb < 1176252086 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dood=bsmnt^bomb < 1176252088 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not neccessarily. < 1176252088 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1176252094 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's parse time. < 1176252141 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they can easily be hardcoded into the source. < 1176252153 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh by the way, any Pascal users? < 1176252171 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets the impression Sukoshi hasn't understood anything we were saying < 1176252173 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems unlikely < 1176252182 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not presently < 1176252205 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of people used pascal. They're all dead now. < 1176252210 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1176252218 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, i am not dead. < 1176252220 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I didn't understand. < 1176252225 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: *bang* < 1176252244 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cap guns don't hurt, lament. < 1176252257 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think? < 1176252351 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sound-cap guns, I mean. < 1176252370 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think? < 1176252383 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION brings in the 500W amplifier < 1176252406 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is Pascal compared to C, oerjan ? < 1176252442 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :common lisp is essentially duck typed. objects that implement the same generic function can be mixed and matched. essentially, an object of a subclass can be treated as a member of the superclass, and passed to functions that expect the superclass, while still using the subclass specialization for any calls to the generic function. < 1176252508 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I understand what you mean, then no, this will not have that feature. < 1176252526 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Methods can *only* be executed linearly up the specific tree. No cast-avoiding. < 1176252559 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.codu.org/plof/ :-P < 1176252589 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[/shameless plug] < 1176252591 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in other words, in your model the class is an attribute of the variable, not of the object. < 1176252609 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct. < 1176252618 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The concept ``class'' is just a container. < 1176252632 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike a struct, it contains some special type information. But that's all. < 1176253503 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1176253793 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1176253907 0 :GregorR_!n=GregorR@c-24-22-56-63.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1176253908 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1176253921 0 :calamari!n=Kid@cb03.cs.arizona.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1176254058 0 :bsmntbombdood!i=gavin@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1176254972 0 :GregorR_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR < 1176255125 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: has anybody said anything about the K-line? < 1176255176 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: Yeah, I got a response, but the person who responded said that the person who K-lined me wasn't active at the time. < 1176255202 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was it for, exactly? < 1176255208 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did EgoBot go insane? < 1176255215 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: Yeah, I got a response, but the person who responded said that the person who K-lined me wasn't active at the time. < 1176255222 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I have to change my emphasis a bit? < 1176255233 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: Yeah, I got a response, but the person who responded said that /the person who K-lined me wasn't active at the time/. < 1176255243 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read: He didn't know why I was K-lined. < 1176255248 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1176255256 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The person who K-lined you, you mean? < 1176255269 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't talked to the person who K-lined me. < 1176255293 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know who that person is? < 1176255300 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1176255618 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love the way you define classes in plof < 1176255665 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean prototypes :P < 1176255678 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1176255688 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean objects. :p < 1176255704 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, gregorr is the boss around here OK? < 1176255710 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when talking about plof < 1176255749 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION summons CakeProphet < 1176255751 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pikhq: "Prototype" is a term which specifies a class of objects, so my terminology was perfectly accurate :P < 1176255764 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Darn. < 1176255770 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :var cow = [ age = 3, speak = { print("Moo"); }, shoot = { printf("MOOOOO! *splats*"); } ]; < 1176255778 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cow.speak(); cow.shoot(); < 1176255787 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk, brb < 1176255792 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbq? < 1176255805 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1176255855 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I see. < 1176255882 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :var Bessy = new(cow); < 1176255898 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bessy.stfu(roflcopter); < 1176255943 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bessy.age = 5;Bessy.speak = { print("Mooooo!") };Bessy.shoot = { print("I'm a milk cow");return(1); }; < 1176255981 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might want to println, and you definitely need to learn the new colon-ish syntax for functions and objects :P < 1176255993 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION <3 : < 1176256019 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colons are nice. < 1176256027 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Semicolons are also nice, as are dashes. < 1176256034 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I'm obviously used to Plof 1. ;) < 1176256039 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dashes are wonderful. Commas are annoying. < 1176256049 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plof supports a , operator :P < 1176256160 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it form tuples? < 1176256185 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think a tuple is even a datatype in Plof. < 1176256195 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are no builtin tuples. I tried to minimize the number of builtin types as much as is possible with a prototype-based object system. < 1176256208 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1176256233 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ',' operator does exactly the same thing as the ';' operator, but at a lower precedence. < 1176256258 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :higher, don't you mean? < 1176256302 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always forget which term is used to mean it falls lower on the tree :P < 1176256334 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting. < 1176256356 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more useful for separating parameters/arguments :P < 1176256699 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION scraps pretty much all plans for his distro, opting to instead make it a Slackware fork. . . < 1176256703 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1176256838 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PAAAAAAAANSIEEEEEEEEEE < 1176256878 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I'm redoing the Slackware package manager. . . That enough work for you? < 1176256908 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pffffffffffff ;) < 1176256925 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to see exactly how many branches UnionFS can handle. . . < 1176257106 0 :SevenInchBread!n=CakeProp@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1176257107 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because my packaging system resembles Slax, I'll try to see what use I can put some of their scripts to. . . < 1176257138 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a seven inch bread < 1176257146 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bow chicka bow wow. < 1176257214 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1176257232 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. . . Fine, I must confess. . . < 1176257243 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just using Slax modules, except more. . . Modular. < 1176257248 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:05:21? < 1176257252 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ SLS? < 1176257257 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SLS? < 1176257260 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 20:42:43.. < 1176257263 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errm < 1176257271 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot my own package's name X-P < 1176257272 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPS < 1176257279 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SLS = Softlanding Linux System X-P < 1176257286 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll use that later on. < 1176257307 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's one hour minus 37 minutes minus 22 seconds, or 22 minutes and 34 seconds. < 1176257317 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope, HI < 1176257318 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that was a 22-minute-and-34-second summons. < 1176257325 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SevenInchBread: HELLO < 1176257333 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYTHING FOR EXECUTABLE FORMAT YET. < 1176257336 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far the only thoughts < 1176257343 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Would SPS happen to work well with the concept of each package just getting unified with /? < 1176257344 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've gotten are "format version - machine architecture" < 1176257347 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SevenInchBread: Try ELF. < 1176257352 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: When summoning, always remember to sacrifice the chicken. < 1176257357 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a.out? :) < 1176257363 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pikhq: Not really, since the whole idea is it's different per user/environment. < 1176257370 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELF using a certain interrupt for system calls? < 1176257374 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah, right, forgot that. < 1176257375 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pikhq: Maybe if that was done by a user-configurable FUSE FS. < 1176257400 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't the format need our system calls in it? Or can we just use the ones that ELF use and map them to our devices. < 1176257401 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Well, I *could* use the FUSE versions of UnionFS. . . < 1176257416 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SevenInchBread: Actually, I don't think ELF specifies system calls. < 1176257427 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just specifies the actual *format*. ;) < 1176257431 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yah < 1176257439 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SevenInchBread: can I call you Sev since my tab completion isn't working? < 1176257440 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool then. ELF WE SHALL USE < 1176257445 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....sure < 1176257446 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELF WE SHALL USE? < 1176257449 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds good. < 1176257454 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And interrupts for system calls? < 1176257457 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suuure < 1176257461 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh like < 1176257462 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1176257464 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... < 1176257489 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To do a system call, put certain stuff in certain registers, then do the instruction "int". < 1176257490 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Hmm. I need to see some details on the SPS internals. . . < 1176257494 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... so... is it possible to define a bunch of "hooks" that we can use all throughout the operating system? < 1176257495 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except we need an interrupt number. < 1176257503 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sev: to do whatnow? < 1176257506 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I know static languages are kind of weird with stuff like that... < 1176257518 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SevenInchBread: That would be called 'system calls'. < 1176257525 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically a list of programs (I'm assuming executables or possibly processes...) to summon up in a certain situation. < 1176257539 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it is? < 1176257544 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programs to summon up in a certain situation? < 1176257546 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean? < 1176257561 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably you mean. . . functions? < 1176257616 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interactions with the kernel are pretty much done via system calls. < 1176257621 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "keyboard filter" hook would get spammed when a user types, and each program/process on the hook will be called in a sequential order based on priority - with three things as input: the keyboard being typed on, the original key, and key once modified. < 1176257640 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sev: that would be handled by the keyboard handler process. < 1176257653 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... is there any quick way to add onto that? < 1176257703 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see that these two are busy reinventing UNIX poorly. . . < 1176257704 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A process that wants to use the keyboard invokes the keyboard handler service telling it what to do when a key is pressed. < 1176257713 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's us. < 1176257721 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The poor UNIX reinventors. < 1176257763 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing this out of laziness. < 1176257777 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boredom, you mean? < 1176257781 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... okay. < 1176257791 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that too. < 1176257797 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wanted nifty hooks... so he could slap random programs onto basic operations. < 1176257803 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll make me feel proud of myself. < 1176257823 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sev: don't sacrifice simplicity for niftiness. < 1176257851 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> it wouldn't that complicated. I've done something similar on countless other projects... and it works wonderfully. < 1176257853 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SevenInchBread: I see that you want a microkernel design. < 1176257855 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try Minix. < 1176257886 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....a bit easier in something like Python though.... since it's not an... OS. < 1176257897 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that whole dynamic typing thing is nice. < 1176257949 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's not for the kernel, use whatever you want. < 1176257968 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-.- thanks.... < 1176257971 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1176257983 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can be SO USEFUL! < 1176258055 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Really, what I want in the end is something along the lines of "To install, copy the squashfs image into /pkgs. To uninstall, remove the squashfs image.". < 1176258120 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why we want the kernel to be small. < 1176258144 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope, ...one of the few things I like about windows is that I can be completely lazy when it comes to installing new stuff - I just need to get the binary and it'll work almost 100% of the time. < 1176258159 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step one: write the kernel. Step two: write the compiler. Step three: write the programs. < 1176258185 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, getting the binary and it working is naturally an ideal. < 1176258201 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking it shouldn't be hard. < 1176258210 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just make sure the programs are compatible with the services. < 1176258218 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my experience with Linux hasn't been too grand in that aspect... I usually have to compile shit and worry about a lot of dependencies first. < 1176258229 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apt-get ftw. < 1176258290 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...sounds like we're making a good UNIX clone. -.- < 1176258297 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or just a bad one. < 1176258320 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if we implement Linux binary support, Linux binaries will be supported. < 1176258325 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...obviously. < 1176258440 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know anything about this part. < 1176258475 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just have the kernel support Linux-style system calls as well. < 1176258495 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need to actually implement them. < 1176258549 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION will have cp as the package manager. . . >:D < 1176258585 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pikhq: "copy"? < 1176258623 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1176258648 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just copy the package into /pkgs and the filesystem takes care of the rest. < 1176258667 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting. < 1176258679 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLEASE JOIN OUR OS PROJECT! I mean, hi. < 1176258687 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Join the Hurd. < 1176258694 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1176258695 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could use some fresh blood. < 1176258702 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're too cool for that. < 1176258708 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a zen anarchist. < 1176258731 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, 0672304759 looks really cool. < 1176258737 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.......what < 1176258743 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you don't want to be part of an arcane sacrificial rite? < 1176258744 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0672304759. < 1176258763 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :........what? < 1176258776 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINE < 1176258777 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HATE YOU ALL < 1176258780 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google it. < 1176258784 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M FORKING OFF AND MAKING MY OWN DAMN OS < 1176258795 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slams the door on his way out. < 1176258801 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was exactly what we were doing. :-P < 1176258846 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better that I'm doing it twice. < 1176258857 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....the Hurd does sound nifty though... even though I've never seen. < 1176258860 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it < 1176258872 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shall implement many a steganographic filesystem in it. < 1176259043 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Hurd's got a nifty design, but not much coding impetus. < 1176259098 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> sounds like... a lot of OSes :) < 1176259130 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally can't do a lot of C... which puts me a quite a disadvantage when it comes to making an OS. < 1176259204 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1176259241 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=Greasemo@222-154-151-28.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1176259274 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope, we could always use somebody elses microkernel. < 1176259287 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I know -I- don't want to write a microkernel. < 1176259287 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's very true. < 1176259309 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preferably a public domain one, since being public domain is part of Abrasax philosophy... isn't it? < 1176259363 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....yes. < 1176259452 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1176259487 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, a Google search for 'public domain microkernel' turns up nothing obvious. That means we get to claim it. < 1176259647 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. 2. b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License. < 1176259661 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If identifiable sections of that work are not derived from the Program, and can be reasonably considered independent and separate works in themselves, then this License, and its terms, do not apply to those sections when you distribute them as separate works. < 1176259706 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those seem to be the big viral clauses of the GPL. < 1176259717 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... if we like... use parts of the program we can take off the licence? < 1176259746 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SevenInchBread: No, what the GPL is stating is that you specifically *can't* do that. < 1176259751 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use part of something that's GPL'd in something else, that something else is GPL'd. < 1176259757 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be, rather. < 1176259769 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With that, I'm out for bed. Isn't the Google Groups thing wonderful? ;-) < 1176259797 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.... that sucks. < 1176260008 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the whole *point* of the license. . . < 1176260082 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to.... proliferate the licence? < 1176260084 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/pragmatic.html For a description of the copyleft mechanism used within the GNU GPL. < 1176260116 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft... that's not much better than a copyright. < 1176260129 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read the linked text. < 1176260144 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least realise the purposes behind the GPL before criticising it. < 1176260146 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My licence of choice has always been http://allritesreserved.com/ - mainly because it's legally ambiguous < 1176260217 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-copyleft.html is a shorter description. . . < 1176260323 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not public domain though? < 1176260355 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there has to be a better way to make something virally free than by simply making everything virally GPL. < 1176260407 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The public domain means, basically, that one could incorporate your work into one's program in any way, shape, or form, without having to even mention your authorship. . . < 1176260455 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The GPL is the model of making something guaranteed free. . . < 1176260480 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...isn't that sort of the definition of "free" though? < 1176260503 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "freedom to enslave" is not generally regarded as a freedom. < 1176260537 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except in the southern US. :p) < 1176260565 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-shrug- ultimately I don't care what people want to do with my stuff. You can copy it verbatin - claim it as yours - and make billions of dollars selling it for all I care. < 1176260602 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas I typically view things more along the lines of "Your freedom to swing your fist around ends where my face begins". . . < 1176260713 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only way I think a proprietary rip-off of free software could ever become popular is through sheer advertising muscle. < 1176260729 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as everyone is aware of both alternatives... the choice would be obvious. < 1176260745 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allow me to introduce you to a couple of these rip-offs. . . < 1176260752 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft Windows and Mac OS X. < 1176260780 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both have copied code from BSD (Windows has a BSD networking stack, among other things, and OS X *is* a BSD). < 1176260840 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-nod- so then I'm correct. < 1176260899 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1176260902 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enabling this is fairly devastating to the free software community. . . It allows our competition to take from us without giving a damned thing back, in essence. < 1176260984 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...how is that devestating to a community that doesn't make any profit in the first place? It's not like they can totally steal your programs out from under you. < 1176261061 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mere existance of free software is devestating to "the enemy". < 1176261082 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough* Um, yeah. . . That's exactly what Microsoft is making a rather signifigant effort to do. < 1176261102 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm? < 1176261113 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's devastating for another reason than just profit. . . < 1176261125 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The free software movement strives to encourage the use of free software. < 1176261143 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helping nonfree software is detrimental to this. . . < 1176261162 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also, however, no longer makes your software totally free. < 1176261172 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1176261178 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which right does it remove? < 1176261183 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows is't a ripoff of anything... It may have some code from other places but honestly, do you realy think even 10000 lines of code means anything to windows? < 1176261200 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the right to have free access to the software.... < 1176261211 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a pointed lack of adjectives there. < 1176261226 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "the right to have free access to this software to do free stuff with it" < 1176261226 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0). < 1176261242 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your needs (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this. < 1176261253 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor (freedom 2). < 1176261268 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....there's a list of freedoms? < 1176261271 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements to the public, so that the whole community benefits (freedom 3). Access to the source code is a precondition for this. < 1176261276 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, in the preambl < 1176261277 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html < 1176261289 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, the only enumerable quantity is rules. < 1176261307 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's "the freedom"... and then there's a list of rules. You can't list out freedoms. < 1176261307 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there seriously a licensing battle going on in here? X_X < 1176261311 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stabs everyone. < 1176261314 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Yes. < 1176261329 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EMACS IS SUPERIOR TO VIM < 1176261332 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1176261344 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use OpenOffice for all my programming. < 1176261347 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, as an Emacsite, I must inform you that Vim usage is not a sin. < 1176261354 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, after all, free software. < 1176261360 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I think they both suck < 1176261360 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes gui... < 1176261361 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is, however, a penance) < 1176261384 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sooooo, whats everyone think about Visual Studio? < 1176261406 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First, it's nonfree software. Second, it's a fuckin' horrible development environment. < 1176261416 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Third, it doesn't run on my OS of choice. < 1176261420 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignoring the non-free, why is it horible? < 1176261437 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And fourth OH MY GOD ALL OF THESE TOPICS MAKE ME WANT TO KILL EVERYONE < 1176261444 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stab stab stab* < 1176261448 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1176261455 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should we talk about then? < 1176261475 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the same reason that having to search through a menu for really, really basic commands is a bad idea for *any* program. . . < 1176261500 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's talk about, ohhh, esoteric programming languages :P < 1176261507 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who does that? :P < 1176261548 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I find them mostly a waist of time that could be spent writing real code... < 1176261551 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A development environment should be about the efficiency of the human side of the equation. . . Which involves terse-seeming commands, simply because they are much faster to input. < 1176261589 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus why either Vim or Emacs actually make for a good development environment: the important things you need are available within a millisecond's notice. < 1176261610 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keybord short cuts... < 1176261626 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, yeah. . . < 1176261640 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never need to get your hands off of the keyboard. < 1176261665 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TBH, i've never used vi/m to do real dev work < 1176261668 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One can go from entering in a command to find a certain segment of code to typing actual code instantly in either editor. < 1176261673 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... I think vim and emacs are a pain in the ass to learn... because there's nothing very visual explaining this arcane spellbook of key combinations. < 1176261673 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only IDEs < 1176261685 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don'y realy know how well they work once you learn how to use them < 1176261689 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure... once you're like... totally used to the program you can start cranking out key combos... but not from the start. < 1176261698 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SevenInchBread: Well, yeah. . . They've got a steep learning curve. < 1176261716 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SevenInchBread: err, try using vi with no prior exp < 1176261730 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...should probably like... have some visual interface. < 1176261738 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost killed my /etc/inittab with it :P < 1176261739 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like... "emacs... with a GUI that doesn't blow" < 1176261763 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO, the programs that are really quick to use usually have a steep learning curve out of necessity. < 1176261771 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1176261778 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but - gvim is a visual interface. < 1176261783 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really... < 1176261804 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can easily have vim or emacs with a GUI... same exact stuff just with some stuff that makes it easier to learn it. < 1176261806 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must ... kill ... everyone < 1176261842 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ne way, I like code completion... Also like not having to learn the 1000 compiler switches for gcc/++ < 1176261844 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if we should ask to get that k-line back, for our own safety. < 1176261860 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDEs are great for the beginner, but honestly. . . Do you *want* a beginner as your developer? < 1176261884 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha... I wouldn't mind it. < 1176261892 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to learn somehow. < 1176261901 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDE is't only for beginners < 1176261913 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bigcheesegs: First, it's nowhere near that many. Second, you need to know very few of them as a developer. . . < 1176261919 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses an IDE... simply because it bits the shit out of notepad anyday. < 1176261946 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them are to placate the "OMG -Oinfinity OMGOMG!!!" audience. < 1176261955 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol, that reminds me some one on a forum was like, omg im 1337 because I code with notepad! < 1176261967 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a sign of n00bness. < 1176261969 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who waists time... < 1176261975 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing useless crap < 1176261979 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly. < 1176261993 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at esoteric programming < 1176261996 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1176262004 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION codes raw assembly opcodes in notepad. < 1176262016 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non of this fancy mnemonic garbage. < 1176262020 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bigcheesegs: emacs is ideal for the adept; a true magician, deep within their craft. ;) < 1176262038 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same applies to the vast majority of command-line UNIX, to be honest. . . < 1176262062 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, VI-users, Vi is a similar sort of thing. . . < 1176262066 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1176262073 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :command lines are like... 50 years old? not that old is bad, it's just that new is also not bad :P < 1176262115 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a faster typist than mouser. < 1176262119 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like... GCLIs.... graphical command lines. < 1176262123 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing somthing --------> ???? < 1176262127 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty pictures with full keyboard. < 1176262130 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call me up when you are able to mouse at 70wpm. < 1176262132 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and the ocassional mouse. < 1176262137 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, why cant mIRC handle japanese text... < 1176262160 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ぼくは知らない。 < 1176262162 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pikhq: don't make mistakes, then you never need to use a mouse :P < 1176262170 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, i can see that.... < 1176262192 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bigcheesegs: Yeah, actually, I don't need a mouse. . . < 1176262207 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Pik is just that badass. < 1176262229 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya, well I use magnets to set the bits on my harddrive to program :P < 1176262229 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even need a keyboard. < 1176262242 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you too? < 1176262249 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pikhq: whats the hiragana for that kanji? < 1176262254 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shi. < 1176262265 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :し, rather. < 1176262286 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :web browsing... for example... is generally nicer with a GUI. < 1176262292 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....generally. < 1176262294 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SevenInchBread: Check out Conkeror. < 1176262301 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya, so all i know is you said "boku wa shichinai" < 1176262303 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1176262319 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pikhq, Conkeror? I think I've used it... but it kinda sucked. < 1176262324 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ら != ち < 1176262336 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := ? < 1176262345 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ra != chi < 1176262353 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh < 1176262354 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1176262356 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SevenInchBread: It's an Emacs-style interface to Firefox. < 1176262363 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....yep < 1176262378 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Konkeror a firefox rename? < 1176262379 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox however... does not suck to me. and thus I think this has taught me a lesson. < 1176262382 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bigcheesegs: No. < 1176262388 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION <3 Emacs. . . < 1176262388 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it? < 1176262403 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION <3 Plof < 1176262403 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Konkeror is the KDE web browser. < 1176262411 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to write Plofmacs :P < 1176262415 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Konqueror < 1176262415 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its like... KDEs file/directory/web browser. < 1176262431 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :私もプロフが大好きです。 < 1176262436 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Konqueror is to KDE what IE is to Windows < 1176262437 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, so did you say "I am strange" < 1176262437 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1176262448 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. . . No. < 1176262453 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1176262454 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know is what I said. < 1176262460 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1176262486 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isnt that "wakarimasen" < 1176262488 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or somthing like that < 1176262498 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From "知る", to know. . . < 1176262521 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And conjugated into plain negative form. . . < 1176262526 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1176262529 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has always wanted to make his own GUI toolkit. < 1176262534 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to un nub his jap :P < 1176262543 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bigcheesegs: That's formal negative of "わかる", to understand. < 1176262543 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SevenInchBread: why? < 1176262550 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I think it'd be fun. < 1176262551 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are like, a bunch :P < 1176262553 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1176262568 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming for fun is the best kind there is :) < 1176262573 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"there being a bunch" has never stopped me from redoing it in the past. :) < 1176262581 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pikhq: are you on *nix atm? < 1176262604 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bigcheesegs: Yeah. < 1176262612 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xchat? or what irc < 1176262627 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my primary project at the moment is a MUD. < 1176262628 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what IME are you using, i'm trying to find one to put on my nix box < 1176262629 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...fun fun fun < 1176262637 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SevenInchBread: MUDs are cool < 1176262644 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im working on a lineage II server emulator < 1176262645 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm *currently* on gaim. . . I've not gotten ratpoison, irssi, and bitlbee set up since my reinstall. < 1176262652 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my IME is skim. < 1176262659 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lineage II = an MMO < 1176262667 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1176262688 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION plays roleplay-intensitive MUDs... so by default he considers MMOs a work of the devil. < 1176262696 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1176262701 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lineage II = pvp < 1176262710 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION smiles politely. < 1176262713 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no roleplay < 1176262716 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless your weird < 1176262720 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then somone just kills you < 1176262722 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION smiles politelier < 1176262734 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOUNDS... UH.... FUN < 1176262738 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YA < 1176262748 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pikhq: thanks for the info < 1176262784 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would use GNU/Linux as my main desktop, but I'm so used to windows and everything works without any effort :P < 1176262802 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't feal like spending the days to learn how to get stuff i want to work < 1176262819 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I couldn't get my network card to work on Kubuntu < 1176262823 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... still on Windows. < 1176262837 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 2 weeks are so are worth it (that 2 weeks includes the majority of the command line learning curve) < 1176262840 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've learned how to do that, but only on a GUI with suse < 1176262844 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time I used Windows I found it to be a huge PITA. < 1176262847 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/are\ so/or\ so/ < 1176262851 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And bloated beyond belief. < 1176262852 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed, Gregor. . . < 1176262857 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloated... < 1176262860 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true dat < 1176262862 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a surprising number of commands... and coming from MUDs it's really not alien feeling too me. :) < 1176262880 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Vista is a terrible (both in quality and ethics) ripoff of OS X. < 1176262882 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My current extremely fancy KDE setup isn't using much RAM in terms of Window's normal usage. < 1176262893 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 5 pcs in my room atm, 3 running windows, 1 running openSUSE and one installing fedora < 1176262909 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: ya, i refuse to get vista < 1176262912 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freeking DRM :P < 1176262914 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. . . I stand corrected. < 1176262931 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My 40-or-so tabbed Firefox session is using most of my gig of RAM. XD < 1176262937 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1176262941 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1176262941 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shiiiit... < 1176262944 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Firefox does that :P < 1176262951 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most tabes i've had before i restart ff is like 10... < 1176262959 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it's using 300mb < 1176262967 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tabs* < 1176262979 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well; at least everything else is really rather light, allowing Firefox to take all it wants. < 1176263006 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't even notice until I looked at my RAM usage. < 1176263016 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's cool that you can start up linux in command like, run a ps and only 2 processes are running < 1176263020 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash and ps :P < 1176263033 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps only lists the processes in your current session. < 1176263037 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try ps -ae. < 1176263038 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1176263041 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries < 1176263048 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell. . . < 1176263053 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try "ps -ae | less". < 1176263065 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers that it was 85 degress in his room and his nix pc over heated < 1176263088 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs his AMD system. . . < 1176263091 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya, i got to open up that pc before i fry another pcu < 1176263097 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing runs at, like, room temperature. < 1176263098 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: the last one shoud be "less" < 1176263100 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, that things running a celeron :( < 1176263117 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: What? less != less? < 1176263126 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less == less < 1176263158 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless less is volitile and you're doing multi threading w/o sync :P < 1176263168 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1176263178 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I LOVE multi threading < 1176263194 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes server sofware so much simpler, and more concurrent < 1176263205 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Declare it as volatile, and I think GCC would warn you about that. . . (IIRC). < 1176263222 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can gcc detect race conditions? < 1176263249 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not. . . But it warns about what things it can detect. < 1176263268 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, btw, any sugestions for a good code profiler? < 1176263268 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't do threads in GCC, so this is coming from the GCC docs, not from personal experience) < 1176263294 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to find that 20% of code thats running 80% of the time :P < 1176263302 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcov and gprof? < 1176263312 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has never heard of them < 1176263316 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION asks wikipedia < 1176263329 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See the GCC documentation (under Gcov) for details on how to use it. . . < 1176263372 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats the only thing VS doesn't have... < 1176263389 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can do code profiling, but it wont show you the results ;/ < 1176263439 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then. . . What the hell is the *use*? < 1176263450 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link time code generation < 1176263461 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moves commenly called functions close to each other < 1176263469 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does more aggressive inlining where needed < 1176263500 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. . . That's really a useless feature compared to "getting the coder to simplify sqrt(abs(x^2))". :p < 1176263587 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It already does that :P < 1176263608 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the compiler cant tell how many times you're going to call func() and from where < 1176263630 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just trying to find an example of something that the coder would need to do to optimize things. . . < 1176263647 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1176263654 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION din't look at what you wrote :P < 1176263688 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqrt(abs(x^2)) = x, now i see :P < 1176263699 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1176263713 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YM = abs(x) < 1176263789 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, nice chat, I'm going to sleep now, so later. < 1176263841 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1176263989 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night Bigcheesegs < 1176266179 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"haaaaaaaaaa" < 1176266416 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1176266492 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1176266965 0 :RodgerTheGreat!n=Rodger@wads-5-232-13.resnet.mtu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1176266977 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :howdy, folks < 1176266992 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anything interesting been going on recently? < 1176267421 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plof2 8-D < 1176267477 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plof2 8=D < 1176267523 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMG HE HAS TWO NOSERS < 1176267536 0 :bsmntbombdood!i=gavin@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1176267543 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1176267935 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using vi is not a sin, but a penence < 1176267995 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you know what 8=D is? < 1176268052 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than a two-noser? < 1176268219 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1176268857 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With floats at higher numbers, are there certain numbers that it can store, and nearby numbers that it cannot? Is that how precision works? < 1176268863 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. something similar to being able to hold, say, 1e20 but not 1e20+1 ? < 1176268900 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1176268973 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"something like that"? < 1176269219 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1176270122 0 :bsmntbombdood!i=gavin@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1176270175 0 :bsmnt_bot!i=gavin@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1176270238 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1176270292 0 :bsmntbombdood!i=gavin@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1176271746 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Precisely like that, actually. < 1176271767 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It effectively stores it in (x)e(y) format. < 1176271928 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION predicts the existence of "atmospheric shells" in SL < 1176271956 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for now, g'night < 1176271996 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat" < 1176272664 0 :thematrixeatsyou!n=Greasemo@222-154-133-217.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1176272724 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1176272742 0 :thematrixeatsyou!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GreaseMonkey < 1176272905 0 :wooby!n=alan@cpe-66-67-60-51.rochester.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1176274481 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1176275521 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1176278168 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1176278399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1176278400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1176281389 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1176282064 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't make your mind up? < 1176283596 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1176287746 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonna go, gnight (galitteration!) < 1176287925 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ROFL = Really old frikkin laugh-message" < 1176289738 0 :ihope!n=ihope@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1176293742 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Darned Debain upgrade did funny things to screen so letters keep going missing in my old screen sessions." < 1176298503 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1176298532 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1176298923 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1176299090 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1176300451 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@122.46.198.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1176301179 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1176301408 0 :nazgjunk!n=htitan@wikipedia/Nazgjunk JOIN :#esoteric < 1176301499 0 :nazgjunk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1176301511 0 :nazgjunk!n=htitan@wikipedia/Nazgjunk JOIN :#esoteric < 1176303808 0 :nazgjunk!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :n[a]zgjunk < 1176305874 0 :jix__!n=jix@dyndsl-080-228-178-004.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1176305983 0 :jix__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :jix < 1176305995 0 :crathman!n=chatzill@69.15.198.171 JOIN :#esoteric < 1176307892 0 :jix__!n=jix@dyndsl-080-228-178-163.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1176308144 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1176308146 0 :jix__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :jix < 1176309126 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1176310601 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1176310767 0 :Pikhq!n=pikhq@c-75-70-225-157.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1176312256 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-63-71.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1176312549 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-85-191.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1176313008 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1176314118 0 :Bigcheesegs!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1176314602 0 :Bigcheesegs!n=blah@adsl-218-106-55.asm.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1176315091 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1176316237 0 :crathman!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]" < 1176318723 0 :atrapado!n=opened@22.Red-81-47-1.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1176319092 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"tele fo no" < 1176319378 0 :atrapado!n=opened@193.Red-81-47-12.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1176325909 0 :crathman!n=chatzill@69.15.198.171 JOIN :#esoteric < 1176326347 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1176327089 0 :n[a]zgjunk!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :nazgjunk < 1176327119 0 :nazgjunk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bi-la Kaifa" < 1176327243 0 :nazgjunk!n=htitan@wikipedia/Nazgjunk JOIN :#esoteric < 1176327579 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-2-87.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1176327995 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1176328027 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1176330275 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1176330295 0 :IslandHopper973!n=chatzill@host81-158-250-45.range81-158.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1176330621 0 :IslandHopper973!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :UnrelatedToQaz < 1176330744 0 :UnrelatedToQaz!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1176330762 0 :UnrelatedToQaz!n=chatzill@host81-158-250-45.range81-158.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1176330831 0 :UnrelatedToQaz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]" < 1176331778 0 :Pikhq!n=pikhq@c-75-70-225-157.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1176332637 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+" < 1176334586 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1176335292 0 :Pikhq!n=pikhq@c-75-70-225-157.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1176335726 0 :crathman!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]"