00:00:21 <bsmntbombdood> you can lay it out by hand when you only have a few hundred hosts
00:09:30 <Pikhq> The modern Internet could be produced more nicely via /dev/urandom.
00:16:35 <oerjan> apparently the internet's structure has a property known as scale-invariance, which is not the case for simple versions of randomness.
00:17:30 <Pikhq> And apparently my Internet connection hates me.
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00:56:11 <ihope> Anybody know where CakeProphet went?
01:10:12 <oerjan> last seen may 4, when he said nothing
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19:50:02 <oerjan> Today's entropy forecast: Low but rising.
19:50:34 <the_entropy> i'm more interested in tommrow's, today's is almost over
19:51:27 <oerjan> Long-term entropy forecast: Low but rising for the next few billion years.
20:26:03 <oerjan> i knew you were going to say that.
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21:11:21 <SimonRC> Story: Someone posts some information in an obscure place where maybe 100 people will see it. A second person takes unreasonable objection to the information being available and tries to take some legal action them. The first person puts up a notice saying that this has happened. The second person tries to sue them for saying so...
21:12:16 <SimonRC> The story hits the fron pages of digg and slashdot, so 100 MILLION people see this information. Songs are recorded, domain names purchased, and t-shirts printed.
21:12:54 <SimonRC> You Have Lost at the intarnet. Please insert 50p to continue.
21:19:56 <oerjan> It would have been more satisfying if the information revealed had been a complete crack rather than, as I understand, a nearly throwaway code. Or maybe that just makes it even more pathetic.
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21:25:27 <Pikhq> oerjan: The complete crack should be out by August. :p
21:26:06 <Pikhq> (currently, they've got an undefeatable way to *copy* disks; the complete decryption crack is forthcoming)
21:26:37 <ihope> Undefeatable way to *copy* them?
21:26:47 <ihope> Isn't that... already possible?
21:27:03 <ihope> Assuming the media isn't weird, that is.
21:28:12 <oerjan> the media is always weird. any article on a subject you actually are an expert in always contains errors.
21:29:39 <Pikhq> ihope: The HD-DVD format has certain 'unreadable' bits required for decryption. . . Usually, getting at them requires a cryptographic handshake with the drive.
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21:30:06 <Pikhq> One of the cracks out there is a patched firmware for the Xbox 360 HD-DVD drive, allowing one to obtain those unreadable bits. ..
21:30:12 <Pikhq> bsmntbombdood: That's been done.
21:30:26 <oerjan> personally my pet peeve is how i see journalists put a token statistical number into an article, but it is a number which gives no information in isolation.
21:33:01 <bsmntbombdood> http://www.boingboing.net/2007/05/07/lousy_test_question_.html
21:39:24 <Pikhq> Are you allowed to check multiple answers?
21:41:29 <ihope> No. If you do that, you get a zero on the whole test automatically.
21:42:48 <Pikhq> Then I'll just leave that one blank.
21:48:57 <ihope> If you do *that*, you get a zero on the whole test automatically.
21:49:05 <ihope> And if you get it wrong.
21:49:18 <ihope> But if you get it right, you automatically get 100% on the test.
21:59:10 <ihope> (The test consists only of that one question, right?)
22:00:20 <oerjan> i am afraid i am going to have to flunk ihope on reading comprehension.
22:00:25 <lament> well, realistically, it's B
22:00:39 <ihope> Is that another -ally word?
22:00:54 <lament> you COULD make a case for each of the answers
22:01:01 <lament> but that is true of very many multiple-choice questions
22:01:09 <lament> but B is the most correct option
22:01:33 <lament> that is, in practice it's the one that gets used.
22:01:52 <lament> liquids are almost always measured by volume.
22:02:16 <lament> for one, it's much easier to find their volume than their weight
22:02:31 <lament> since the applesauce is probably already in a jar.
22:03:01 <oerjan> if the question had been in the cooking section rather than math it would not have been controversial at all.
22:04:19 <ihope> There's a cooking section?
22:14:45 <Pikhq> Sure, it would've.
22:14:59 <Pikhq> "Where's the hogheads option?"
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22:31:29 * SimonRC ponders http://www.thegreenwolf.com/afgto.html
22:43:33 <ihope> Nice when it comes to fantasy indeed.
22:46:43 <SimonRC> the book documents some peoples' actual beliefs
22:47:02 <SimonRC> I almost certainly hang out with some of these people online.
22:56:44 <ihope> Well, yes, there are those with those actual beliefs?
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23:39:40 <lament> bsmntbombdood: not in any household uses
23:41:09 <lament> and does not say the volume of the can?
23:44:28 <lament> perhaps belgium is just a weird country.
23:46:24 <lament> well, whichever country you're in :)
23:47:19 <lament> can't expect the US to do anything sanely
23:47:59 <lament> bsmntbombdood: where people actually use metric (as opposed to putting numbers on cans because there's a law that says you have to), they measure liquids by volume
23:48:22 <lament> i have lived in four different countries that all use metric, and it's the same everywhere.
23:49:34 <lament> canada is one of the four :)
23:51:57 <lament> fortunately, the conversion is easy enough :)