< 1184025727 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to eat lunch, then implement unit tests. < 1184025769 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1184025870 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1184026200 0 :suifur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: so how far is the project along alreayd? < 1184026423 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: a little < 1184026454 0 :suifur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION played in smalltalk all day
< 1184026499 0 :suifur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smalltalk by example is a pretty good book < 1184026509 0 :suifur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a taste of smalltalk kind of sucked in my opinion < 1184027069 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suifur: Yeah, it did. < 1184027074 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suifur: Joy of Smalltalk is good though. < 1184027086 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unit tests are for my other Java project. < 1184027127 0 :suifur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: i'm starting to see why you like it though < 1184027139 0 :suifur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: whats your other java project/ < 1184027167 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suifur: It's a practice project before I dive into ST -- a torrent client. < 1184027175 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suifur: Hopefully it won't suck like Azureus. < 1184027187 0 :suifur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: haha < 1184027206 0 :suifur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: I need to implement a ST program of sorts to practice < 1184027257 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suifur: Yeah. How about an IRC client? < 1184027264 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suifur: What implementation, by the way? < 1184027265 0 :suifur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm that could be interesting < 1184027280 0 :suifur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: i'm playing in squeak < 1184027296 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suifur: Aha. < 1184027316 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suifur: You should try GST too, because I don't think we can implement Morphic (unless we implement BitBlt, which we can only do in SDL). < 1184027331 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or OGL.) < 1184027352 0 :suifur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnu smalltalk taht is? < 1184027417 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeh. < 1184027420 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :azureus is such a memory hog < 1184027435 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why *is* it a memory hog? < 1184027439 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It pwnz my RAM flat.) < 1184027449 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have azureus, or that vuse thing? < 1184027459 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vuze < 1184027461 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using btdownloadcurses actually ;) < 1184027470 0 :suifur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: i think there's a lot of caching thats mostly unnecessary < 1184027483 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suifur: What does it cache even? < 1184027491 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vuze is the worst piece of software i've seen in a long while < 1184027493 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suifur: I know one annoying thing Azureus does is it preallocates files. < 1184027496 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usability-wise < 1184027509 0 :suifur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it has to do with caching parts of the files to allow for faster uploading < 1184027517 0 :suifur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its been a while since I took any good looks at the code < 1184027565 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, SmallWorld uses a ST parser pre-compiled from the C version. < 1184027707 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll probably end up doing the same. < 1184027741 0 :suifur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intersting < 1184027783 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.smalltalk.org/articles/article_20050929_a1_Bytecode-to-bytecode.html <-- Something else that is fun. < 1184027943 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+" < 1184028259 0 :suifur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm wonder why that code won't work... < 1184028303 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzzzzzzzz < 1184028579 0 :suifur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: any idea why this won't work in gst? http://nonlogic.org/dump/text/1184024932.html < 1184028697 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suifur: Open in the GUI first. < 1184028702 0 :suifur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gui? < 1184028706 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tits, huh? ... :D < 1184028728 0 :suifur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol yup < 1184028749 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ozark.hendrix.edu/~burch/cs/360/assn/assn4/using_blox.html < 1184028834 0 :suifur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i run it? < 1184028915 0 :suifur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1184028924 0 :suifur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i can run it but somethin's wrong with my collection < 1184029740 0 :ihope_!n=ihope@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1184029753 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1184029755 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ihope < 1184029784 0 :ihope_!n=ihope@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1184029990 0 :helios24!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1184030098 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1184030468 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, I'm familiarizing myself with this code. < 1184030477 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must be, since I'm just staring at it. < 1184030610 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what code? < 1184030664 0 :helios24_!n=helios@195.37.106.60 JOIN :#esoteric < 1184030772 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kilgame code. < 1184030776 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My kilgame code. < 1184030944 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not lament's kilgame code. < 1184031023 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You killed lament's game? < 1184031247 0 :helios24_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1184032284 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, RodgerTheGreat, zbrown ? < 1184032370 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: whats up? < 1184032431 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zbrown: How're you liking ST? < 1184032446 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: I like it, definitely not good at it yet, but I like it. < 1184032457 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its more the syntax thats slowing me down < 1184032461 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zbrown: Java uses a lot of ST features, heh. < 1184032473 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand all the core concepts, its just my lack of proficiency with the syntax < 1184032483 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you not played with other syntaxes before? < 1184032507 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have, just not the way smalltalk does < 1184032519 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err not so much the syntax, but rather how you phrase statments I guess < 1184032537 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just imagine a steady stream of messages. < 1184032567 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most languages define functions as operations that take parameters, you've got to get out of the parameter mode and into message mode. < 1184032641 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya < 1184032730 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: http://nonlogic.org/dump/text/1184029085.html <--- I can't figure out why that syntax doesn't wokr < 1184032945 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zbrown: Does it give you a parse error? < 1184032952 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya < 1184033396 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: any ideas on that one? < 1184033759 0 :helios24_!n=helios@195.37.106.60 JOIN :#esoteric < 1184033793 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zbrown: |a| a := OrderedCollection new add: 4.3; add: 2.3; add: 6.9; yourself. a do: [ :each | Transcript cr; show: each printString ]! < 1184033797 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just got the reply. < 1184033802 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He said there were many errors. < 1184033872 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmmm < 1184034010 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1184034014 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm i tried that before or something like it, guess I was missing a few things < 1184034329 0 :helios24_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1184034940 0 :helios24_!n=helios@195.37.106.60 JOIN :#esoteric < 1184037190 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=ihavdeb4@222-154-155-173.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1184037574 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1184038579 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1184039984 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should give python a sexp syntax, then implement macros < 1184040353 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@c-76-27-232-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1184043015 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@122.46.183.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1184043294 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@122.46.183.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1184043721 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1184044220 0 :boily!n=boily@bas2-quebec14-1088703986.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1184049180 0 :Sukoshi!n=Sukoshi@user-11fab8o.dsl.mindspring.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1184049796 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1184049861 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=ihavdeb4@222-154-147-124.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1184052387 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1184052412 0 :Sukoshi!n=Sukoshi@user-11fab8o.dsl.mindspring.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1184053459 0 :boily!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"sleep" < 1184053995 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Too much politics" < 1184054399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1184054400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1184054705 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1184063551 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtg, gnight < 1184063576 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_be_a_giant_dick%2C_so_we_can_ban_you" < 1184068219 0 :fax!n=pacman@amcant.demon.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1184068220 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1184069577 0 :ihope_!n=ihope@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1184069599 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ihope < 1184073416 0 :RedDak!n=dak@87.19.82.136 JOIN :#esoteric < 1184075554 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1184075758 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fax < 1184076417 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1184076650 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1184076864 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host13-91-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1184077116 0 :Tritonio!n=Tritonio@150.140.227.75 JOIN :#esoteric < 1184078273 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1184078308 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host193-88-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1184080605 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1184082175 0 :ehird!n=test@user-54457988.lns6-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1184082692 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-045-004.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1184082998 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-113-35.w86-218.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1184084441 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1184084454 0 :jix__!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-060-089.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1184084681 0 :jix__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :jix < 1184084742 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1184086071 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: I definitely like smalltalk, haven't written anything major yet, just little apps that do stupid things. < 1184088960 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host193-88-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1184089623 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I'm quitting... Bye all" < 1184089652 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host193-88-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1184090488 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zbrown: Wanna make one for GST? < 1184091496 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: what kinda app? < 1184093755 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1184093775 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host193-88-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1184093784 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pac-man < 1184094113 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1184094536 0 :pac-man!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :fax < 1184096972 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1184097011 0 :RodgerTheGreat!n=Rodger@wads-5-232-125.resnet.mtu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1184097512 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host193-88-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1184097756 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1184097822 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1184097825 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1184100477 0 :bsmnt_bot!i=gavin@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1184102190 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1184103198 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zbrown: IRC client? < 1184103207 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ" < 1184103227 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S-s-s-s-l-o-o-o-w motion conversation :P < 1184103347 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1184103550 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is int blah= 5; equvilent to int blah = 5; in Java? < 1184103562 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is blah= some particular to JTest? < 1184103593 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Foo { void Foo() { int blah= 5; }} *compiles* OK < 1184103601 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I bet it is the same < 1184103622 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean int 5; doesn't make any sense < 1184103639 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := can't be part of an identifier < 1184103643 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in java < 1184103662 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just letters, numbers and $ and _ < 1184103679 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :letters including unicode! < 1184103683 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ is used for inner classes and such by the compiler, so it's not for humans < 1184103687 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't touch it. < 1184103696 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax: yes, things like äöå < 1184103701 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are very okay. < 1184103725 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they are technically okay, it's just many editors and the command line environment often screw them up < 1184103735 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: should be the same, as far as the irc client, i'll look into it :) i haven't done much IRC programming but that sounds fun < 1184103748 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: big surprise to me when I found it out :p < 1184103765 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zbrown: It's a fairly easy project is why I suggested it. < 1184103811 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: fair enough. Do we have a timeline or anything for the SmallTalk VM? < 1184103878 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zbrown: I want to start next week. < 1184103939 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: hmmm ok. I'll probably be somewhat less involved than either you or RodgerTheGreat but I'll be involved. I work 14-16 hour days so its hard to find the time to sit down and code on my own stuff.Usually the time I get is the time between experiemental runs < 1184103953 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch. < 1184103966 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a research assistant that writes models < 1184103974 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Java/Scala < 1184103974 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1184104002 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the code bitch < 1184104009 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the researchers can't figure it out, I have to lol < 1184104077 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be tough < 1184104095 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Scala, huh? Oooh. < 1184104116 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax: Depends. If the researchers explain the algorithm wrong, then we're bound to have arguments all day < 1184104117 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Scala was slow/useless. < 1184104122 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: hah no < 1184104128 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scala code runs as fast as Java < 1184104131 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This gives me hope that anything Java people will like instantly! < 1184104156 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: I'm picking up Scala as my *easing* into functional programming < 1184104158 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scala is usually compiled to java bytecode? < 1184104178 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't quite got the hang of functional programming down yet so the multi-paradigm-ness of Scala helps < 1184104186 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax: yah, they made a bytecode copmiler for it < 1184104205 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1184104209 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh < 1184104212 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its a nice language, I really enjoy it < 1184104222 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there is a simple language with an open source →javabytecode compiler < 1184104248 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, Nice is one < 1184104250 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1184104258 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice is pretty minimal and simple and it compiles to java bytecode < 1184104281 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1184104296 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1184104297 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds nice < 1184104299 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does look simple < 1184104303 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nice.sourceforge.net/language.html < 1184104318 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to have a look at the code < 1184104380 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whuz the intersection of nice and java? < 1184104409 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the funxxxion creation without explicit scoping curly brackets < 1184104431 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: What I may actually end up doing as my practice for SmallTalk is rewriting one of our models in SmallTalk, that would probably give me a good feel for it ;) < 1184104488 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: intersection? < 1184104500 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :differenceeeee < 1184104579 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1184104583 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf not intersection < 1184104586 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lool < 1184104614 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1184104621 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i mean it's complement < 1184104628 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know what that's called < 1184104817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1184104926 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zbrown: Heh. < 1184105075 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mutual difference < 1184105929 0 :oklokok!i=oko@194.251.101.183 JOIN :#esoteric < 1184106090 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks, doesn't that kinda collide with set difference? < 1184106094 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1184106095 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1184106196 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'intersection' sounds right to me < 1184106218 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an intersection of two sets is the elements contained in both sets < 1184106237 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you mean difference < 1184106253 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i'm afraid there's no name < 1184106290 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but here's an article about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetric_difference < 1184106309 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know the triangle symbol, but i've never heard "symmetric difference" before. < 1184106346 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had to prove a bunch of stuff about that operation on some analysis homework < 1184106375 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, imprecise memory! < 1184106401 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's essentially the set version of xor < 1184106530 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, oklotalk uses the same symbol for both < 1184106532 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1184106550 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you heard about oklotalk yet, it's a language i've been on recently. < 1184106558 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: The exclusion? < 1184106591 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a few hundred times >;D < 1184106642 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1184106656 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1184106668 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot all about a new kind of science < 1184106671 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll read it now < 1184106674 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of it < 1184106701 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the start? O_O < 1184106716 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't read it, it's very long and doesn't contain much. < 1184106724 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading it. < 1184106745 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When does the actual talking about physical modelling begin? < 1184106821 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never. < 1184107200 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: it seems it's pretty empty, but it'd be cool to have read a book this long :) < 1184107219 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, from where i left < 1184107251 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: read "In search of lost time", or "War and Peace", or even "GEB: EGB" < 1184107308 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so your amnesia is not complete :) < 1184107326 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that can be fixed < 1184107375 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read "Non-commutative geometry". < 1184107416 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just don't expect to understand anything of it. at all. < 1184107460 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: i don't like ...what's it called... prose? < 1184107463 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that much < 1184107464 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1184107467 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non scientific stuff < 1184107482 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that sounds like fun :P < 1184107495 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long a book? < 1184107511 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember, except that it is fairly big. < 1184107518 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you read it? < 1184107528 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1184107592 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tried? < 1184107606 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. i am not that masochistic. < 1184107607 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll dl it, though i'll try and finish ankos < 1184107614 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1184107637 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STUPID JUNIT < 1184107640 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GAHRRR < 1184107693 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, hm. Maybe not stupid. < 1184107707 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :J-J-J-J-UNIT < 1184107739 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember seeing another (physics) book, "Gravitation". you could guess the name from its size. < 1184107792 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's about general relativity, black holes and stuff) < 1184107803 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gravitation is also a very popular piece of softcore Yaoi. < 1184107807 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmm. Hawt boyz. < 1184107828 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm sorry, but you were just ASKING for that :D) < 1184107867 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ex likes yaoi < 1184107871 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's what i think it is < 1184107916 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jacquelinemarr.co.uk/Gravitation.jpg < 1184107941 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yaoi == boy-boy love. < 1184107947 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hawt < 1184107961 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmhmm. < 1184107983 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's what i thought it is < 1184108042 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never liked hentai and the likes < 1184108060 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i'm pretty sure y'all find most interesting < 1184108061 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, er, gender is your ex? < 1184108069 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :girl :D < 1184108081 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :she liked all kinds of stuff < 1184108082 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1184108091 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and she, er, likes graphic depiction of gay boys? < 1184108097 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1184108101 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Do you find that odd? < 1184108103 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who doesn't? < 1184108104 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not necessarily graphic. < 1184108107 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :creepy. < 1184108112 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax: yes. < 1184108113 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood has a point. < 1184108115 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1184108143 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean like 90% of straight men like girl girl... < 1184108152 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :she was bi < 1184108164 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...which i also think is very important < 1184108165 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to tell < 1184108182 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read? yes -> < 1184108203 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax: that's different. Genders aren't symmetrical. < 1184108242 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 90% of straight women don't like boy-boy < 1184108265 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or they're just too embarrassed or prude to say it < 1184108290 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People in America are too prude to say they don't like boy-boy? < 1184108295 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Cough* < 1184108298 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: no, i'm afraid they just plain don't like it. < 1184108312 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let the boy have his dreams! < 1184108338 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: that's what i said < 1184108500 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird that 3 ppl would miss that "don't" < 1184108501 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1184108506 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i understood correctly. < 1184108513 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1184108517 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sukoshi read it right < 1184108522 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just read wrong another time. < 1184108642 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said it wrong < 1184108665 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :90% of straight women don't like boy-boy or they're just too embarrassed or prude to say they do like it < 1184108892 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see what's creepy about it, but I guess the gender divide does that. < 1184108911 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, bsmntbombdood I would think is true. < 1184109051 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DARN YOU JAVA PACKAGING SYSTEM, DARRRNNN YOUUUUU. < 1184109071 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: what exactly do you mean by modeling physics? < 1184109081 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after page 500 it's all physics < 1184109093 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'mn 525 so i might be lying) < 1184109098 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on < 1184109155 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/PACKAGING SYSTEM// < 1184109216 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: Ah. Page 500. Alright. < 1184109256 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must go back to Lisp/Smalltalk. I cannot take this imperative madness :\ < 1184109261 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: I agree < 1184109264 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errr, not imperative, but this, blehhh ness. < 1184109270 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so ... unpolished in ... so many ways. < 1184109279 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its XML ENTERPRISE < 1184109284 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1184109285 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropodermic_bibliopegy < 1184109320 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool lament :D < 1184109589 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally. I got JUnit working. < 1184109604 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: what i mean is there is a lot of physics < 1184109612 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: Yay :) < 1184109612 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lot of it alllll about < 1184109621 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: Anything on electrics yet? < 1184109629 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really :\ < 1184109640 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If this was ST, I'd just make unit testing based on a test message to the object. < 1184109647 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'll read on, we'll see. < 1184109650 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But nooo, this is stupid inflexible compiled language. < 1184109768 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-72-52.w83-203.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1184109796 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err sebbu abo? < 1184109799 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turku? < 1184109806 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nevermind < 1184109809 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fr < 1184110058 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey: Check out Kawa. It looks helpful. < 1184110061 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: you should not be on the computer when you cannot see the letters o_o < 1184110120 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1184110123 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: SISC < 1184110138 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I want people to use SISC instead of Kawa in the hope that they improve it :P) < 1184110309 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No no no. < 1184110321 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kawa is a bytecode backend. Scheme has just been *implemented* for Kawa. < 1184110343 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1184110373 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. I think Kawa has done much of the heavy lifting for us. It compiles classes to Java bytecodes too. < 1184110377 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait a sec < 1184110379 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats awesome < 1184110400 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i do see most of them < 1184110402 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since Smalltalk is *so* similar to Java's object hierarchy, it should be a breeze to port most of the ST-80 stdlib. < 1184110405 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the important ones < 1184110666 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cant uynderstand kawa < 1184110675 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnu/bytecode/*.java < 1184110683 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they dont generate bytecode :S < 1184110937 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1184111450 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: are you reading Kawa? < 1184111493 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"