< 1184457623 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So...? :D < 1184457630 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is an input/output channel < 1184457656 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^,>,v,< are directors < 1184457672 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything from any direction hitting it is directed in the direction < 1184457690 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(, ), u, n are 1 way objects < 1184457699 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you hit it from the c<--- side < 1184457705 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes through < 1184457710 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but from the ---> c side < 1184457711 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it dies < 1184457716 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the burst) < 1184457724 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q is a destructable object < 1184457729 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when hit with a pulse < 1184457737 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it disappears taking the pulse with it < 1184457767 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the key to my and gate is simply that you destroy the two Qs and the output can go through\ < 1184457773 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you don't, you won't get anything < 1184457790 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each box is instantaneous < 1184457840 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you put a @ inside the box (not in the walls) it will work as a kill button < 1184457854 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hitting the kill button causes the output < 1184457868 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise the box runs until there is no more to do < 1184457876 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ie, all pulses are dead) < 1184457898 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# is a permanent wall < 1184457943 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% fires pulses in all directions ^,>,v,< when hit (maybe I wasn't clear) < 1184457948 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does my example make sense? < 1184457970 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't figured out how to do io yet < 1184458021 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or variables :S < 1184458071 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why have variables in a language like that? just have a memory cell < 1184458092 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, just the equivalent, I mean < 1184458159 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got any idea how to do IO? < 1184458212 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, input device when hit freezes the sim, gets input, then emits the characters like a memory cell would do < 1184458223 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :output just eats up the characters from a memory cell/similar and prints it < 1184458235 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you do a memory cell? < 1184458240 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all boxes are instantaneous < 1184458243 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take a look at Game of Life memory cells < 1184458246 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something along those lines. < 1184458319 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should create a toggle object < 1184458334 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1184458365 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could represent it by X/O < 1184458373 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use something else as the switch < 1184458376 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :W/M maybe < 1184458378 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, a memory cell basically just continuously emits bits in the format accepted by gates, etc. < 1184458382 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it how you will < 1184458397 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1184458420 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should just not have the compressor < 1184458427 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and make it more interesting? < 1184458436 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ could then be a trigger < 1184458445 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and something else can be kill < 1184458454 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K maybe < 1184458471 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nono, we'll make Y be the switch and @ will stay as kill < 1184458490 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y will toggle any X's or O's next to it < 1184458511 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if something is hit from both sides by an O it will be emitted on both sides < 1184458626 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should use the vi keys for some things. :-) < 1184458636 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi keys? < 1184458641 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yulkjhnb < 1184458649 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do they do? < 1184458675 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y = NW, u = NE, h = W, j = S, k = N, l = E, b = SW, n = SE < 1184458699 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already used those as directions in a fungeoid < 1184458703 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i (C)'d their 2-d use. < 1184458705 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184458719 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only doing 4 directions < 1184458723 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no NE,SW, etc < 1184458737 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keeps me sane :) < 1184458744 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: what's that fungeoid? < 1184458753 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope, well it's only on my harddrive < 1184458757 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the logic in those letters? < 1184458760 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods < 1184458761 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's tentatively entitled "Not a Fungeoid" < 1184458761 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keys < 1184458765 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, hjkl < 1184458772 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put your fingers on it < 1184458779 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h and l are at the left/right extremes < 1184458782 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j and k are what's left < 1184458789 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Not A Real Fungeoid': NARF < 1184458790 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other keys are around those. < 1184458791 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: y, u, b and n are arranged that way, h and l as well, j and k... not so much, but they're also all close together. < 1184458798 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi was invented before arrow keys ;) < 1184458806 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, can you think of something better? :-) < 1184458808 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes, good. < 1184458827 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwe asd zxc < 1184458831 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I guess you could use keys that are actually arranged that way. < 1184458862 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, if we were going to use those for directions, I'd think we'd use < 1184458864 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : WASD < 1184458871 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WASD is lame < 1184458875 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wadx? < 1184458881 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lamer < 1184458883 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1184458888 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uberlamer! < 1184458892 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err... those are just random letters :| < 1184458895 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yubn etc i mean < 1184458898 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no they're not. < 1184458907 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuihjkbnm < 1184458910 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ARE on qwerty right < 1184458924 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am, yes < 1184458928 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shall stick to the ><<^n < 1184458929 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1184458933 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<>V^ < 1184458939 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, then you're blind. =) < 1184458942 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hjkl are arranged such that you can put your fingers on them nicely, indeed. < 1184458952 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdf! < 1184458971 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yubn are arranged nicely, too, but why it's yubn and not uinm is... a mystery. < 1184458971 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I think that < 1184458977 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sefd would be better < 1184458984 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: I do it with just ^v. < 1184458989 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1184458990 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184458995 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sedf isn't bad though < 1184459002 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course, I have instructions changing the dimension being modified. . .) < 1184459013 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: now that i actually checked them all out, it's pretty sane < 1184459019 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184459023 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am debating < 1184459029 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I write this in C++ or in GML? < 1184459035 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GML = game maker language? < 1184459038 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. :( < 1184459041 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... <_< < 1184459043 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184459046 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... neither? < 1184459053 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I don't write it :) < 1184459067 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do what everyone else does, put it on the wiki until someone else writes it :P < 1184459072 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rofl < 1184459082 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I could write it in GM, and have a gui interface < 1184459085 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1184459091 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION twitches < 1184459091 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could write it in C++ and it'd be portable < 1184459097 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but command-line only < 1184459100 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION twitches < 1184459115 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program would be limited to the size of the command line, most likely < 1184459120 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could write it using C++ and Qt 4, and it'd be portable and GUI. < 1184459129 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know Qt4 < 1184459134 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So learn it < 1184459150 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you could write it in ANSI C and have it command-line only but awesome and portable and fast and. < 1184459174 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I make it at all, it'd only be in languages with libraries that I already know < 1184459178 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could write it in something odd like Lua < 1184459179 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184459198 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know! I'll write it Befuge or Brainfuck! < 1184459203 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::S < 1184459208 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know neither though :P < 1184459231 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have to admit, an esolang interpretter written in another esolang would be pretty funny ;) < 1184459240 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck's actually really nowhere near as hard as it's made out to be. . . < 1184459266 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs, yes - so funny in that it's been done thousands of times < 1184459275 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then some < 1184459277 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1184459291 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good. < 1184459292 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't know BF? < 1184459294 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1184459301 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never bothered with it ;0 < 1184459312 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: The only hard part about Brainfuck is that it doesn't have a sizeable standard library. ;) < 1184459322 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's *almost* like doing C without libc. < 1184459323 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, heh. < 1184459323 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You write a interpreter for this then :) < 1184459329 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in BF < 1184459331 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^.^ < 1184459331 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, except that C has better primatives) < 1184459331 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c without libc is harder. < 1184459340 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: Not really. < 1184459341 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than bf. < 1184459365 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i hear there's something called pebble in which it's much simpler < 1184459371 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should look that up < 1184459378 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w00t, someone else whoring my language. :p < 1184459380 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1184459381 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184459384 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::PPP < 1184459413 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I can do it in C++ with SDL < 1184459438 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1184459441 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :death to guis < 1184459447 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a thought, except that SDL is *really* primitive. < 1184459454 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that much < 1184459459 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what I'm doing < 1184459461 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just the runner) < 1184459480 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I really need is to be able to put graphics on the screen and set the size of the window.... < 1184459486 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get a couple keystrokes < 1184459500 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody should invent a GUI that... is really nice? < 1184459505 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1184459507 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should < 1184459525 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tcl. < 1184459530 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err. < 1184459532 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tcl/Tk. < 1184459558 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should write a good tutorial on the parts of a GUI < 1184459576 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there are a lot of elements in common useage across different platforms < 1184459594 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pack [label .l -text "Hello, world!"];pack [button .b -text "Exit." -command exit] < 1184459601 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pack? < 1184459613 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know Tcl/Tk, obviously :) < 1184459624 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I've read the tutorial on Tcl a while back... < 1184459626 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but eh < 1184459633 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't mean I know it < 1184459642 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1184459654 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pack is the Tk command to add something to a window using the "pack" widget manager. < 1184459667 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1184459684 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know where it will show up O.o? < 1184459697 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/widget/geometry/ < 1184459723 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pack" tries to do it automagically; there's two other geometry managers that you can use to specify location. < 1184459743 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do some amount of that with pack, but there comes a point where you should use something else. < 1184459746 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba! < 1184459806 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>----[<+++>--]<.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.>----[<->----]<-. < 1184459814 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe programs should just leave out the front end. < 1184459878 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that do? < 1184459923 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Outputs the string you said. < 1184459962 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the PEBBLE that was generated from was: source ^stdcons.bfm;@ temp1;@ temp2;stringout "zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba!" : temp1 temp2) < 1184459988 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1184459991 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1184460093 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(PEBBLE code, BTW, is technically 100% valid Tcl code, syntactically) < 1184460262 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: stop that, i'm reading physics and you are forcing me to learn pebble. < 1184460297 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Stop reading physics, then. :p < 1184460304 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the awesome is tickling my brain in a funny way < 1184460328 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i can't ! < 1184460346 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone got a song to sing the alphabet backwards? < 1184460357 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Then come back just as soon as you're done. < 1184460362 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same one? < 1184460427 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far I have < 1184460450 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z! Y! X! WVUT < 1184460458 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sr QPO < 1184460487 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: record us you singing it, that's not very clear. < 1184460488 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the nm ... screws me up < 1184460516 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you can also tell me the notes < 1184460524 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a rare talent :| < 1184460571 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: You're not reading physics now, are you. < 1184460571 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(quarter) Middle C, G G, (16) F E, (8) D [bar] E F (dotted quarter) E < 1184460583 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ZYXWVUT < 1184460593 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :play at around 120 < 1184460595 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, let me fill you in on the sheer awesomeness of PEBBLE some more. < 1184460616 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PEBBLE parser *is* the Tcl parser; I just start up a slave interp, remove Tcl commands, and bind in PEBBLE ones. < 1184460644 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought about < 1184460651 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: bar? < 1184460654 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pause? < 1184460656 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1184460658 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1184460658 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just bar < 1184460658 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bar < 1184460666 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can check you're on track < 1184460675 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: Use GNU Lilypad notation or something. < 1184460691 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8th rest, (8) high C, G [bar] A A (dot Q) G < 1184460704 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well when I get a full thing, I'll just upload the midi < 1184460731 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba < 1184460735 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for reference) < 1184460745 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NMLKJ is the next bit < 1184460752 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I can make that rising < 1184460754 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said: use GNU Lilypad notation. < 1184460768 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way, one can generate sheet music that I can read. ;) < 1184460768 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dot q? < 1184460771 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lilypad? < 1184460776 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's dotted quarter < 1184460781 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ag < 1184460788 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ag? < 1184460797 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know lilypad's notation < 1184460829 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ag? < 1184460830 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1184460833 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :) < 1184460838 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blargh. Wrong name, anyways. < 1184460839 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit of a typo there... < 1184460866 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: you've done music? < 1184460898 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1184460906 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know music < 1184460911 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i can't tell from that little whether that was just a fluke of a random generator, but sounds promising sofar :P < 1184460919 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rofl < 1184460935 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've made generators with a bit of brain for that < 1184460949 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_LilyPond < 1184460953 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sometimes get pretty playable riffs < 1184460954 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what it is < 1184460957 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't know it pikhq < 1184460999 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what level is 4? < 1184461008 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C4 = Middle C? < 1184461015 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you finnish? < 1184461018 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my program uses C5 = middle, but some people use different < 1184461023 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: American. < 1184461029 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm Figs! < 1184461031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1184461035 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you ask? < 1184461047 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This file uses Finnish note names (for example, where < 1184461048 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"" < 1184461067 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure they aren't officially "Finnish note names" < 1184461103 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could screw you all up by saying quavers and quarter notes alternatively... and sometimes using DO RE ME... and other times A B C :) < 1184461127 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't really read music without typeset sheet music. < 1184461133 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's quaver -> 8th < 1184461135 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never liked anything about the note systems < 1184461139 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that being what I usually read from) < 1184461141 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but meh < 1184461160 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: i'm pretty sure i've done more with music than you if that was a brag :) < 1184461172 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that wasn't a brag, that was humor :) < 1184461198 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you're talking about where people are and note names < 1184461201 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mine was too) < 1184461218 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. So you just made me kill my joke for nothing ;( < 1184461221 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but only in my head, prolly, because i don't really see the gag) < 1184461222 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoilsport :P < 1184461239 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't say "quaver" in the US < 1184461257 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i'm pretty sure mine wasn't a joke, but i'm also sure i meant to make it one :P < 1184461261 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not anywhere I've been, actually) < 1184461272 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok oklopol < 1184461275 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know the music vocabulary < 1184461284 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that it sucks in all ways possible < 1184461294 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaver < 1184461328 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you said it somewhere already < 1184461338 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1184461342 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :said what? < 1184461350 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1184461354 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what it is :) < 1184461363 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just misread "mensural notation" very badly >.< < 1184461411 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :menstrual < 1184461426 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... yeah :P < 1184461431 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not what it is < 1184461437 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensural_notation < 1184461454 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should make a notation system that uses an unlambdaish syntax < 1184461463 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because today i realized it's the syntax of gods < 1184461466 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheh :P < 1184461473 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun :) < 1184461488 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, about 50 words read about physics < 1184461496 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :particle. < 1184461500 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you have 51 < 1184461509 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs around like a rabid monkey < 1184461537 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my rhythms just don't sound good for this song. < 1184461549 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1184461618 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that notation looks like something i've been working on < 1184461647 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've thought about making a *good* notation system and translating a number of pieces on it < 1184461673 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be cool to have a database where you could for example search for the name of the piece just by remembering one of it's riffs < 1184461690 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something very simple to do, and something no one seems to have done yet < 1184461716 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go for it < 1184461731 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OkloMusica! < 1184461735 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a simple comparison because you don't have the same problem with strings that "asdfasdfasdf" and "basdfasdfasdf" should be considered almost the same) < 1184461743 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*as with strings < 1184461751 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a much less test < 1184461754 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1184461759 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*less complicated < 1184461765 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1184461774 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, you should be considering the intervals < 1184461782 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1184461793 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just o(12n) to check every key < 1184461811 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everything would naturally be represented without key information even present < 1184461821 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that is in no way crucial to the song < 1184461862 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay, i admit there was one composed whose pieces actually sound worse played in the wrong key even if you don't have an absolute note ear or whatever it's called) < 1184461890 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bach, uuh <3) < 1184461997 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember analysing one of his pieces for hours and not finding a single note that could be changed < 1184462012 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184462028 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fanboys bach a bit :| < 1184462030 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you search for pairs of notes? :P < 1184462053 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pairs of notes? < 1184462056 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1184462070 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean < 1184462080 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you're just looking at one note at a time < 1184462090 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he's got a chord going on < 1184462122 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about shifting a section? :P < 1184462133 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know every note by heart, and yes, i did look at how the arpeggios are laid out < 1184462142 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in relation to the other hand < 1184462160 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which piece is it? :P < 1184462173 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, shifting the whole piece is a nop < 1184462187 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other shifts cannot be done with still keeping it bach < 1184462208 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1184462209 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bach and other classic stuff always has a clear transition < 1184462222 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should create one to make a shift possible < 1184462230 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1184462248 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would change the whole image, since the piece is very dense in structure < 1184462255 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'?'? < 1184462268 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've totally lost me :) < 1184462278 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i use my own words :< < 1184462292 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hands you some chinese words to see if they work better < 1184462295 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184462298 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jk jk < 1184462325 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never seen any text about analysing music < 1184462332 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never even heard snyone do that except me < 1184462335 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*anyone < 1184462363 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most musicians i know (and i know >30) would find it somehow bad to start analysing music at all < 1184462366 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points to music theory < 1184462384 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know that, if you have a book of some sort, i'd like to read :) < 1184462386 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1184462386 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a whole disciple devoted to analyzing music ;) < 1184462396 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chord structure, etc < 1184462400 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know the basics, but it seems it stops there < 1184462401 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :progressions... < 1184462404 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i know those < 1184462425 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've taken an introductory music course- classical music in general follows a number of basic forms. It's not unlike the structure of poetry < 1184462452 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points to books on the structure of fugues < 1184462455 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you know anything mathematical written about music, i'd like to see < 1184462459 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never seen anything < 1184462489 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, of course, after the basics, which everyone knows < 1184462495 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should talk to my friend Eric. < 1184462507 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. I wonder how well high-order markov chains would deal with music. < 1184462515 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about something like this? < 1184462515 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.teoria.com/articulos/analysis/BWV846/index.htm < 1184462524 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's a musician, but is also quite intelligent mathematically, and can casually talk about harmonics, sound-wave interference, etc, etc. < 1184462536 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, mathematical, huh? < 1184462666 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: that's not very low-level < 1184462679 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just looking for repetition :| < 1184462733 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: all i can say is i wish my musician friends were like that :) < 1184462779 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you mean for sure then < 1184462820 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: perhaps i'll show you some day. < 1184462834 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when my language is ready < 1184462839 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1184462870 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by low-level though? < 1184462911 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: have you written anything in terms of an oklotalk spec? < 1184462951 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i wrote a partial one for parsing < 1184462965 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be interested in seeing it. < 1184462985 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also 2 parsers, but it's just pretty fucking complex to get working :| < 1184462987 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1184462988 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weait < 1184463040 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://vjn.fi/mb/index.php?p=oklotalkspec < 1184463050 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made this for ihope, it's a quick hack, mostly < 1184463052 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prods okolopol < 1184463075 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a more complete one, 20 pages or smth, but it's outdated partly, i'm not gonna upload it :) < 1184463090 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION enjoys the prod and waits for more < 1184463093 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean by .low-level? < 1184463103 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1184463108 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't see that sorry < 1184463110 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1184463123 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual notes aren't actually considered at all < 1184463145 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. I guess it's rather difficult to get a sense of the language from just parsing rules < 1184463177 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C ->> i@ |\ \\eq >>V 4! My new language! there's only one legal sentance in it, and that's it. :) < 1184463177 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: everything is everything (as opposed to everything is and object), everything is as dense as possible < 1184463187 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*an object < 1184463196 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hunh < 1184463200 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those were my goals in designing it < 1184463211 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have I shown you my language, Bullet? < 1184463221 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i remember looking at it < 1184463234 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was quite pretty < 1184463264 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do [a - b] to [5, 2] into [result] or something < 1184463285 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll do some work on my specs this weekend, and maybe start hammering out some BNF < 1184463295 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's somewhat accurate < 1184463409 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay i have a bed now!! < 1184463424 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kewl. < 1184463430 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hands bsmntbombdood some sheets < 1184463439 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :already had some of those < 1184463448 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION snatches them back then. < 1184463460 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION already rubbed his naked body on them < 1184463469 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lights them on fire then gives them back. < 1184463485 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1184463489 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184463497 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perverts < 1184463519 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses the fire to cook his dinner < 1184463536 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1184463542 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse-moi! < 1184463553 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha, i win < 1184463564 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you lost a pair of sheets and i got a nice warm dinner! < 1184463566 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what you're eating for dinner < 1184463578 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hands bsmntbombdood some shoe-leather < 1184463608 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION respecfully declines < 1184463629 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION grabs the fire. < 1184463658 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION indicates the shoe-leather has a magic charm in it < 1184463672 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION , unhurt by the flames begins to run off. < 1184463680 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bwhaha. :) < 1184463682 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1184463695 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll bet eating shoe leather would be a reaaaaaally bad idea for me X-D < 1184463708 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1184463728 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll share my dinner with you < 1184463738 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm allergic to a chemical used to tan most leather. I only know the skin reaction :P < 1184463748 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1184463771 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is bored. < 1184463799 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have done naughty things with my bodily juices, but you decided to burn them < 1184463822 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1184463861 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should get lisppaste in here < 1184463897 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes the now burned sheets and casts a spell on it that cause the spirits of the body-juices to transform into fluid ninjas! "Attack!" cries Figs into the night, directing his gremlins to bsmntbombdood. < 1184463909 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for the one-up wtfer < 1184463928 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude, bodily juices don't have souls < 1184463952 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said spirits! :) I'm stealing their hidden stash of alcohol. < 1184463981 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if he's reached WTF status yet... :S < 1184464055 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I simultaneously get ignored by the entire channel for wtf-ness? :( < 1184464104 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets bored and calls off the weird army. < 1184464118 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello out there?! < 1184464132 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eats Figs. < 1184464135 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ... Figs. < 1184464139 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1184464146 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An Algorithm for Optimal Lambda Calculus Reduction!?!?!!!?! < 1184464190 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fortran.com/ < 1184464199 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this site looks like it hasn't been changed since the 90s < 1184464207 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a shock. < 1184464216 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184464247 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should write an imperative->functional compiler < 1184464273 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like one of the weird ideas I'd had for my language < 1184464283 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that it was imperative -> functional -> imperative < 1184464301 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. I know how useful that sounds. < 1184464392 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every functional language compiler and/or interpreter does functional -> imperative. < 1184464414 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, that's why i suggested imperative->functional < 1184464431 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1184464435 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't talking about like < 1184464439 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C -> Haskell -> C < 1184464456 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so imperative languages can target super efficient lambda machines < 1184464456 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant internally represented in the intermediate stage as a functional program < 1184464509 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, maybe I'm mistaken, but the whole thing is a lot like monads, isn't it? < 1184464524 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imperative in functional by being sequential < 1184465311 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1184465711 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Kris < 1184465805 0 :Kris!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR-L < 1184466133 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a Fortran book at Borders. < 1184466149 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are more Lisp books than there are Fortran books :) < 1184466220 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, there are more C books than ALGOL books. :p < 1184466236 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, dead trees < 1184466253 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, one language outdoes even Java books. < 1184466265 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess :) < 1184466269 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :bsmntgoat < 1184466325 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C#? < 1184466327 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ugh) < 1184466333 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1184466338 0 :bsmntgoat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C < 1184466342 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course not. < 1184466352 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck! < 1184466360 0 :bsmntgoat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, C++ < 1184466376 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C has only 7 books. Two copies of the same algorithm book, one more book on algorithms, one book on general C, and The C Programming Language. < 1184466379 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some more I forgot. < 1184466380 0 :bsmntgoat!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :bsmntbombdood < 1184466381 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not C++. < 1184466391 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what < 1184466391 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost extinct too, but less so than C. < 1184466394 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UML. < 1184466401 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uml!?! < 1184466405 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah :( < 1184466421 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what happens when you take away the REPL/interactive environment. < 1184466441 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, java boy < 1184466459 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UML makes baby Jesus cry; everytime you code in it, God kills a kitten, and it watches child porn. < 1184466479 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: I'm an engineer, not a weenie ;) < 1184466480 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o < 1184466485 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi is *firmly* a Lisp girl, anyways. < 1184466493 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, she's a java boy < 1184466494 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and a Haskeller) < 1184466495 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sukoshi is a girl? < 1184466498 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1184466503 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp and Smalltalk are my favorites. < 1184466513 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever you say, java boy < 1184466514 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that I like doing practical things. < 1184466518 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is confused :P < 1184466524 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you should be. < 1184466549 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: Java only makes baby Jesus cry. < 1184466551 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't like Java much.... at least not right now. < 1184466560 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah :P < 1184466560 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is anti-Java < 1184466572 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Java's nice. Not innovative, but nice. < 1184466579 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BASIC makes baby Djikstra cry. < 1184466581 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like languages that encourage me to hack. < 1184466593 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does assembly make Djikstra cry too? < 1184466593 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not nice...at all < 1184466594 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like languages that work properly. < 1184466595 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Not true. BASIC only makes adults cry. < 1184466615 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jmp, jmp, jmp! jne! < 1184466623 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF for the win :| < 1184466626 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: Probably do. < 1184466633 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's nothing wrong with goto < 1184466640 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PEBBLE for the total victory. < 1184466646 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION high-fives bsmntbombdood  < 1184466649 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Djikstra was the guy who wrote 'Goto considered harmful' though, wasn't he? :P < 1184466651 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Goto Considered Harmful, thanks. < 1184466655 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: yes < 1184466659 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: Sure as hell was. < 1184466662 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: yes. I hate the imbecile. < 1184466670 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: only if you're a bad programmer < 1184466674 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: You. . . LIKE Goto?!? < 1184466680 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOTO STFU_DJIKSTRA_RULES < 1184466688 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<.< < 1184466691 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goto is .... < 1184466697 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: If you're a good programmer, then you don't know the meaning of the word "Goto". :p < 1184466697 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Useful in a few spare situations. < 1184466703 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could be programming in spaghetti :) < 1184466705 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASIC is my favorite language, actually. I consider myself a Ninja. < 1184466705 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, absolutely not < 1184466720 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where it's useful, it's very useful. Where it's not ... it's annoying and spaghetting-inducing. < 1184466723 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or linguine! < 1184466726 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: I consider you someone who brings a knife to a gunfight. < 1184466744 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: the same is true with any tool < 1184466748 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A LISPer is somebody who brings a knife to a gunfight. < 1184466749 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And wins. < 1184466753 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt you've ever leveraged the language like I have, pikhq < 1184466778 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh Gregor. < 1184466778 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: LISPers are fucking hardcore < 1184466791 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :us lispers aren't :( < 1184466802 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once you start injecting inline assembly and heavily self-modifying, it transcends being a "beginner's language". < 1184466819 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's running while being mowed down by a machine gun, then stabs the fuck out of the gunner, breathes hard a few times and screams dramatically. He's fine. < 1184466833 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[from Story of a Lisper] < 1184466855 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no lisper could do that < 1184466858 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a LISPer < 1184466867 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, yeah, LISPer :P < 1184466874 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHISPER! < 1184466876 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1184466896 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... yeah, that was irrelevant. :) < 1184466947 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is your mother < 1184466956 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASIC is not the language I use most commonly, but it is my oldest weapon, and I treat it with tremendous respect. I'm not one to callously discard the tools I once cherished. < 1184466957 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've read another page of physics. < 1184466976 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1184466979 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1184466989 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing the beep 60 times a second sounds awful < 1184467031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once again i gotta advertise < 1184467031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/s/beepiano.py < 1184467043 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python? < 1184467076 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is writing that befunge-like system < 1184467077 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1184467080 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in GM < 1184467084 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Visual Pulse < 1184467088 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever you want to call it < 1184467226 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, http://vjn.fi/s/black.mp3 < 1184467234 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i'm not sure that's worth hearing :DF < 1184467236 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:D < 1184467274 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1184467278 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that you typing the song? < 1184467282 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1184467288 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :played with my kb < 1184467293 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1184467301 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was like a 5 hour train < 1184467302 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1184467307 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184467315 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i also though a lot about fingering and such < 1184467319 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it look like qweriqpdsfohaerpfjsfdgijqrotiqpwrejg if you typed it? < 1184467328 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely < 1184467339 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1184467344 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i know it by heart, so < 1184467351 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1184467356 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnyngntnfnyngntnfunuyugutunuyugucygytyfycygytgyufn yngntnfnynygntnf < 1184467357 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :daårfuihg < 1184467362 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i typoed at the end < 1184467365 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1184467373 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know the song? < 1184467392 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you wouldn't know finnish heavy metal from 15 years ago < 1184467400 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ" < 1184467403 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds sort of familiar, but no < 1184467408 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stratovarius - black diamond is you wanna hear the original :D < 1184467416 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1184467422 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plays it with harpsichord < 1184467442 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1184467442 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it's a full piece, mine is just a few riffs from it) < 1184467461 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's pretty hard playing with the keyboard, believe me < 1184467499 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: not half bad < 1184467514 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they keyboard noises make it sound hilarius < 1184467519 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1184467520 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hilarious < 1184467529 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should've seen me record it < 1184467530 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184467544 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it would've been entertaining < 1184467552 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crouching naked my face 5 inches from the screen < 1184467553 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1184467560 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1184467560 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you'd not enjoy the nakedness < 1184467568 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inches? < 1184467570 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf :\ < 1184467576 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cents < 1184467582 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's somewhat more disturbing than my mental image. :S < 1184467616 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't generally compute while nude < 1184467643 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1184467651 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't generally use clothes... < 1184467656 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an exception to every rule < 1184467662 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah :P < 1184467672 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that has more to do with my having a roommate than any deepseated objection to it, I guess < 1184467672 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[18:46:51] oklopol: i don't generally use clothes... <-- can I quote you on that? < 1184467676 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do when i go out, but it's redundant in the summer < 1184467679 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: sure :P < 1184467702 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a simple pulsator in with my program, but it isn't working well :( < 1184467708 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: I want a T-shirt with that statement on it < 1184467722 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for the perfect amount of irony < 1184467722 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[18:46:51] oklopol: i don't generally use clothes..." on it? < 1184467728 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1184467730 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, i have a commodore 64 < 1184467734 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a t-shirt saying "i don't generally use clothes"? < 1184467739 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184467740 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who else thinks it'd be awesome to use irc on that? < 1184467743 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I had a commodore 64. :'( < 1184467750 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc on Com64? < 1184467755 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ConTiki for the win! < 1184467756 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you mean irc in the nude? < 1184467760 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a commodore 64 < 1184467765 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never used it before < 1184467766 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, in the c64 < 1184467769 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he meant irc in the nude on a c64 < 1184467774 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184467783 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which honestly sounds pretty awesome < 1184467789 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh :) < 1184467795 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be the case, most likely. < 1184467799 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just don't turn on any webcams :) < 1184467804 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is STRIKING PROOF that I am badly in need of a life < 1184467819 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: webcams are not a danger whilst on a C64 < 1184467832 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be hard to get ethernetish output from the game controller ports :P < 1184467833 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but if you're in the nude on a C64 and someone sees your web-cam... < 1184467845 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(connected to your other machine...) < 1184467848 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be more an engineering job than a coding job < 1184467851 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm nude underneath my clothes < 1184467857 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you seriously need to get an ethernet interface for that baby and install contiki, or give the commie to me an I WILL < 1184467864 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and < 1184467882 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ethernet interfaces for the C64 are readily available online < 1184467886 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: if you actually know how one could do that, i'm gonna make it < 1184467908 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno how to *make* one myself, but I could find somewhere you could buy one < 1184467912 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can program the raw output for internet connexxion, but i can't actually get the wires to work < 1184467921 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1184467929 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could just buy one, never occurred to me :D < 1184467931 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1184467948 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Contiki is a multitasking OS for the C64 (complete with GUI) that provides things like a web browser and so on < 1184467952 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still easy to get stuff for c64 you say? < 1184467957 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1184467957 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1184467959 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"easy" ish < 1184467967 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hoped i'd have to make that myself :< < 1184467974 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've made ethernet cables before :) < 1184467981 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had to do it in tech class < 1184467982 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :behold! /www.sics.se/contiki/about-contiki.html < 1184467983 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: me too, actually < 1184467990 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :contiki is frickin' sweet, man < 1184468002 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I did the wiring for a wall socket in that class once < 1184468007 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can put 4 twisted pairs together?!?! cool, dude! < 1184468011 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know how to do the rest of it for the other thing < 1184468017 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus you can always roll your own distro- the default one still has ~14k or so for additional user apps < 1184468023 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :twisted pair? < 1184468038 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1184468038 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a telnet client, but you could still code an IRC client for it < 1184468038 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184468054 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just use telnet < 1184468059 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1184468070 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, a raw connection works for irc < 1184468071 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I find that unenjoyable usually < 1184468076 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: well, making a client would be pretty sweet as well :) < 1184468089 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a friend of mine uses IRC-over-telnet quite frequently < 1184468098 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that's the spirit! < 1184468105 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to until I realized I was wasting my time. :) < 1184468118 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's useful for debugging bots and things, imo < 1184468156 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd make a graphical client of course. < 1184468159 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one with scripts < 1184468160 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1184468165 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1184468168 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and a bit of sex) < 1184468168 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :send me a copy? < 1184468172 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes. < 1184468175 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not of the sex. < 1184468177 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit of sex! < 1184468177 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the client :) < 1184468180 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have to get the machine first < 1184468181 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :send me the sex then < 1184468188 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shall < 1184468213 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmnt, you want to see oklopol sex0rz with the machine? O.o < 1184468220 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definately < 1184468240 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd only be like the coolest thing in the world to make an irc client on that < 1184468268 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna go get it now, our sommerhome is just like 10 miles from here < 1184468269 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1184468275 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do i use miles and inches < 1184468277 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1184468285 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've been corrupted :) < 1184468292 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1184468294 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SI ftw < 1184468295 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1184468303 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imperial measurement for the win < 1184468312 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnark measurement for the win! < 1184468329 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One bloot is equal 6.257 blarks. < 1184468330 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should just measure in plancks < 1184468334 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1184468341 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :walk the planck! < 1184468362 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: I recommend porting Gregor's RawIRC. ;) < 1184468374 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never seen a guy have sex with a computer, so i'd actually *want* to see it. < 1184468383 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything must be seen < 1184468389 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_o < 1184468391 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jac64.com/demos-amp-music/play-62.html <- c64 emulator + contiki < 1184468412 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen a man have sex with a donkey either, but that doesn't mean I want to watch. < 1184468432 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: What I truly want to try is that C64 UNIX clone. < 1184468451 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: i'm not touching that, but you heard my general rule. < 1184468451 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lunix? < 1184468472 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok == oklopol? < 1184468494 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err... yes. < 1184468508 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i randomly change computer < 1184468512 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ok < 1184468512 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does your naming convention work? < 1184468532 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, oklokok, oklofok, ^__^ and minimall are the ones i usually use < 1184468542 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :minimall when i'm at a friend's house < 1184468551 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok and oklofok are just for fun. < 1184468555 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1184468557 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1184468560 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol has a long history < 1184468571 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't stop listening to your typing song < 1184468577 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in spite of the weird story behind it < 1184468592 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1184468616 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... i guess i'll also advertize my bands, then. < 1184468618 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: figure out some way to produce a (non-nekkid, please) video of yourself playing that song < 1184468640 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will provide entertainment for many of us here < 1184468646 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mikseri.net/artists/?id=62623 < 1184468651 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current project < 1184468653 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm not the only one here that would enjoy seeing one < 1184468654 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :safe? < 1184468661 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mikseri.net/artists/?id=44508 < 1184468664 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff from the past < 1184468679 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: i can do that if i find a webcam somewhere < 1184468684 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my clothes < 1184468687 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184468692 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I share the program that plays mario/zelda/Fur Elise? < 1184468695 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my pants seem to be on the floor. < 1184468701 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: don't think so < 1184468708 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1184468711 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see if I can find it < 1184468714 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a real wtf piece < 1184468718 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember doing that on basic < 1184468725 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a long time ago < 1184468761 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, composing stuff and making it play existing malodies < 1184468763 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*melodies < 1184468764 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it < 1184468776 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put in the three songs by hand < 1184468778 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can oly get so far with one note at the time < 1184468785 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1184468790 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have the source I think < 1184468793 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ha! < 1184468794 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it < 1184468873 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1184468878 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GUWUXEBC < 1184468891 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION used to play fur elise on the keyboards < 1184468897 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...err piano < 1184468924 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all done with the windows 'beep' command :) < 1184468925 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg russian bitches just for me < 1184468926 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1184468930 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1184468947 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, figured out how that works < 1184468957 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the download-button was well hidden < 1184468961 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1184468965 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: the advertises. < 1184468970 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see ads < 1184468982 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION walks around with ad-block on while online < 1184468993 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the adds < 1184469001 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing wrong with a nekkid chick :P < 1184469004 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rofl < 1184469004 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ads < 1184469014 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1184469161 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: one error < 1184469164 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1184469165 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1184469169 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Fur Elise? < 1184469175 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't listening that carefully though, i'll check < 1184469177 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zelda < 1184469179 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1184469184 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be < 1184469185 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : :P < 1184469191 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember, I put it all in by hand < 1184469198 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I wouldn't be surprised < 1184469213 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was too loud (5 am, block of flats), so i had to put the volume down, which took me about 3 min :P < 1184469224 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how does beep work? < 1184469238 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, Beep(delay, freq) < 1184469274 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :double note(int a){return 440*2^(a/12.0)} anyway < 1184469281 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you'll get the frequency < 1184469289 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i guess that's obvious and you did that < 1184469301 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what was i doing now... < 1184469306 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, listen it again < 1184469330 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, another error < 1184469335 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just hard to tell where it is < 1184469344 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you put in numbers for each note played? < 1184469350 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you have the source? < 1184469359 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking for my source < 1184469367 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've found one copy, but it seems old < 1184469386 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there's an error about 'clear' < 1184469407 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clear? < 1184469410 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a program called batch on my old machine called 'clear' that did 'cls' < 1184469413 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1184469419 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after you listen to a song all the way through < 1184469424 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will give you an error about no clear < 1184469426 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely < 1184469432 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you have a clear cmd on your computer < 1184469447 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have 2 errors, but that's because of CV < 1184469450 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CV? < 1184469457 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy/pasterz < 1184469464 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? :P < 1184469468 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always use cv and no one gets it :) < 1184469474 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I get it < 1184469478 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just didn't think of it < 1184469480 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mario also has errors :) < 1184469487 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot more actually < 1184469487 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: "clear" should be valid on any UNIX. . . But *why* are you doing system("clear"); ? < 1184469493 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a damn complex rhythm < 1184469502 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I wrote it on windows < 1184469521 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was doing it to clear the screen for the menu < 1184469527 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then obviously you should run it in Cygwin. < 1184469531 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1184469534 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote it for windows :) < 1184469538 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I made a typo < 1184469545 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clear instead of cls < 1184469559 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Cygwin is a Windows library and set of programs. < 1184469575 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. . . Fine, so it's a complete POSIX environment in userspace. . . < 1184469588 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what cygwin is < 1184469592 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmm. < 1184469595 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have it on my old computer < 1184469610 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as a set of custom batches and programs pointed to by my path < 1184469620 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to use it when I had to run Windows on a regular basis. < 1184469630 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put cygwin's bin in my path < 1184469635 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I could do ls, grep, etc from cmd < 1184469636 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: did you have the score with you when writing fur elise? < 1184469640 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1184469646 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1184469657 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have perfect pitch :( < 1184469664 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need that for it. < 1184469675 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect pitch is only needed for the first note < 1184469679 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I didn't have a copy of the song either :P < 1184469687 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1184469692 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suck at transcribing by ear :) < 1184469693 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone can deduce any note given the frequency of another note < 1184469715 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not strictly true < 1184469715 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, theoretically even without a perfect pitch < 1184469727 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: anyone can learn that, i mean < 1184469734 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, there are people who can't :) < 1184469742 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points out the deaf people and babies. < 1184469748 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to mention the dead ;) < 1184469757 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess so, but perfect pitch is like language, you cannot learn it thoroughly unless you learn it when young < 1184469764 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what i mean < 1184469766 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*meant < 1184469813 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've used hundreds of hours trying to get me one, but i still rarely know a note unless i hear hZ 440 first to scale with < 1184469831 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or some other known frequency) < 1184469851 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: fur elise was perfect < 1184469869 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats < 1184469874 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks :) < 1184469880 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you add note numbers so i can fix the first pieces? < 1184469890 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I can find the code < 1184469906 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, i'd rather do it straight from the code < 1184469916 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1184469921 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess i'd still need the numbers < 1184469944 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't exactly play a Beep(delay, freq) in my head :P < 1184469952 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, it's worse than that < 1184469955 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1184469958 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1184469978 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elise.tone(e,n16); < 1184469990 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1184469994 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's much better < 1184470002 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have it all wrapped as calls like that < 1184470011 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could prolly correct it straight from the source then < 1184470041 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other code going on looks like this < 1184470041 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/EqUubc31.html < 1184470051 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION threw a ShowerCompletedSuccessfullyException() at line 117271941. < 1184470060 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1184470075 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's exceptional for you to successfully complete a shower? :S < 1184470076 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the switch, why not one calculation? :) < 1184470086 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had some reason when I wrote it < 1184470090 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have no idea now :P < 1184470101 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess ab==gs? < 1184470112 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: I'm getting in the mood for designing TER, an esolang I thought of the other day < 1184470115 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use the enum then... but hardly worth the trouble :P < 1184470117 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a flat == g sharp < 1184470153 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't showered that much during the last few weeks < 1184470172 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't showered in about a week < 1184470173 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: i know what they are < 1184470179 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shower daily. < 1184470182 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just thought they might be the reason for the switch < 1184470194 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember why I did it that way :P < 1184470194 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: good, i though i was the only filthy nerd here < 1184470195 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, in TER, exceptions do everything. < 1184470203 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not usually so filthy < 1184470206 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: that's the only possible reason imo :\ < 1184470208 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I've been lazy < 1184470217 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was < 1184470226 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote this months ago < 1184470227 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: gimme source gimme source :)) < 1184470235 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only have the source for fur elise < 1184470239 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find the others :( < 1184470250 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1184470257 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the only one i can't enhance < 1184470265 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/bOkKql71.html < 1184470271 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's what the main looks like for this old version < 1184470305 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/nwq3JH77.html < 1184470310 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the fur elise stuff < 1184470394 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say it was _good_ code though < 1184470419 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, a goto! < 1184470422 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my god :| < 1184470467 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not gonna read that knowing it's correct :) < 1184470471 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read the first part though < 1184470492 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've been a bit more creative there than i could deduce from the exe < 1184470499 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184470513 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i can't hear the low notes that well because the sound is almost off) < 1184470589 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try to find the rest and i'll fix, that's a pretty straightforward notation < 1184470606 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... wonder if i should actually do something... < 1184470607 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still looking < 1184470623 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps... physics? xD < 1184470695 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its somewhere archived in my gigabytes of old crap :) < 1184470745 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh crap < 1184470748 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet I know where it is < 1184470792 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do tell < 1184470814 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no it's not :( < 1184470825 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the fuck did i put it/!!?!!?! < 1184470837 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recommends a "search" < 1184470847 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but I don't know what I'm searching for :P < 1184470857 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.tone( < 1184470896 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will take forever on my computer :) < 1184470918 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on mine too < 1184470926 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn finite speeds. < 1184470945 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh! < 1184470949 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll look by size < 1184470955 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the size of those files will be HUGE < 1184470959 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to my regular source < 1184471068 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no luck yet < 1184471070 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the two old files < 1184471119 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure .tone( + only .cpp files would've taken long < 1184471124 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wouldn't've < 1184471131 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm running it right now :P < 1184471144 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still... < 1184471145 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184471147 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just a quick remark) < 1184471159 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: that's what I'm doing ;p < 1184471173 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1184471176 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just size restrictions should speed it up a bit < 1184471219 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, I have my entire installation of boost in this part of my drive.. < 1184471227 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh :P < 1184471231 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so :P < 1184471249 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in oklotalk it'd be trivial to make a full search and skip certain folders) < 1184471257 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1184471264 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be ncie :) < 1184471266 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because oklotalk is teh stuff) < 1184471269 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice* even < 1184471274 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh00ts :) < 1184471290 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you describe file formats in oklotalk so that you can serialize easily? < 1184471325 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :serialization will be automatic, yes < 1184471350 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no success! >.< < 1184471354 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1184471355 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :search failed < 1184471379 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I've lost the source then :S < 1184471383 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck :( < 1184471403 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you can make a list-regex for the format and auto-format it by that < 1184471418 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to be able to use existing formats that is) < 1184471430 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you setup relationals? < 1184471437 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you lost me there. < 1184471447 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = p >> q < 1184471456 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1184471459 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? :) < 1184471465 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x is p followed by q < 1184471476 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what sence? < 1184471479 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how I do regex in C++ < 1184471483 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my library does that < 1184471485 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1184471490 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to construct objects < 1184471491 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean, regex with macros? < 1184471495 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't just store the relationships < 1184471495 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1184471498 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1184471501 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what? < 1184471512 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :regex + macros = bnf < 1184471529 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though bnf is a bit restricted... at least usually < 1184471532 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean is there a way to describe the structure of something arbitrarirly instead of having to do it at runtime? < 1184471558 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry but i do not understand even that :*) < 1184471563 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind :) < 1184471572 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean, make the regex at compile time? < 1184471572 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't have a good simple explaination < 1184471582 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1184471584 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that, but that's not what you mean < 1184471585 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think about it like this < 1184471585 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or? < 1184471588 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1184471596 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in haskell, you set up the relationships between a lot of things < 1184471606 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without having to _do_ anything < 1184471615 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1184471615 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Prolog, you setup the relationship between logical elements < 1184471619 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1184471622 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P(m), Q(m), etc < 1184471629 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err yeah < 1184471639 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use this information without constructing anything < 1184471645 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a sense < 1184471649 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until you actually need it < 1184471652 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't do that in C++ < 1184471659 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for defining the layout of a class < 1184471685 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I said that regex foo = A|B >> C; < 1184471694 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in oklotalk, if you make a regex, it will be an actualy object. < 1184471698 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*actual < 1184471699 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to execute this to construct foo < 1184471733 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess so < 1184471779 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo = [(A|B)C] won't create anything. < 1184471793 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://libfigconfig.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ < 1184471801 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you do !Foo in a sense "compiling that regex" < 1184471807 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"compiling" < 1184471829 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? < 1184471838 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the include and src and you'll get what I am talking about < 1184471844 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an ini-parser library I wrote < 1184471851 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my regex library is in it < 1184471860 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's supposed to be under BSL license < 1184471871 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think we have MIT put up on the front page < 1184471881 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they didn't have BST on googlecode or something < 1184471890 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is anyone here from the UK? < 1184471899 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err... i'm not sure i get it from that, Figs :) < 1184471905 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just boost regex stuff < 1184471922 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean it's inefficient having to compile the regexes even if they aren't used? < 1184471967 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no boost regex stuff < 1184471985 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, it looked boostish anyway. < 1184471988 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote the library < 1184472008 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i then realized that < 1184472020 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C++ everything is still treated like an action < 1184472020 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, was your issue the inefficiency? < 1184472024 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1184472031 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the library works fine < 1184472044 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's frustrating to have to play by those limitations < 1184472066 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I can't just say there's a particular relationship between two pieces of information < 1184472084 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you have to hack it in instead < 1184472091 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1184472091 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by overloading and such < 1184472101 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i find that great :) < 1184472119 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole thing is basically expression templates < 1184472121 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i loved your clisp and other c++ hacks < 1184472128 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks :) < 1184472131 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1184472138 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you mean the weird () functional thing I did? < 1184472142 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1184472166 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oklotalk can also simulate lisp, without the ',' even) < 1184472173 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184472194 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm redoing the regex library right now... once I finish that, I might write a table class < 1184472197 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and without a hack, lisp syntax just arises from the parsing... like in haskell for the most part < 1184472216 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: what will tose regexes match, actually? < 1184472218 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*those < 1184472229 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any pattern in strings < 1184472240 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can refer to other regexes by reference < 1184472248 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can do recursive matching as well < 1184472252 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay, it's tc then < 1184472263 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1184472264 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1184472266 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose so < 1184472269 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1184472279 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if it is, and how exactly it would be < 1184472286 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's regex with macros. < 1184472292 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::blink: < 1184472299 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by 'macros' < 1184472305 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :code substitution < 1184472305 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Lisp macros? < 1184472307 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :macros. < 1184472312 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not in that sense < 1184472318 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp's macros are more advanced < 1184472320 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no code substitution going on O.o < 1184472323 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean like in c < 1184472338 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can refer to other regex, you have macros, basically < 1184472348 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no :) < 1184472365 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A="asdf"; B="trew"; C=A|B; < 1184472369 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I did that, it'd expand forever before anything happened < 1184472380 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: why? < 1184472395 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have it actually go and do C="asdf"|"trew"... < 1184472396 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's regex with macros if you can do C=C|"er" < 1184472424 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not doing macros O.o < 1184472427 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just generalizing the word macro here. < 1184472438 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably a better word that will confuse me less :P < 1184472445 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are naming parts of code to use those names instead of the actual code < 1184472447 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I don't know what you're trying to say :( < 1184472453 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1184472457 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :code being the string < 1184472458 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1184472468 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1184472468 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the point of macros. < 1184472480 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you don't actually have "code" in a regex < 1184472482 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a string < 1184472495 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have trees of behavior :P < 1184472515 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but that's just parsed strings. < 1184472534 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're talking about two different things, I think. < 1184472539 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly < 1184472555 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, a macro means you name something to be able to use the name as a shortcut < 1184472562 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C, that is < 1184472574 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can have a more profound meaning as well, but i refer to that. < 1184472580 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i refer to C's i mean < 1184472586 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just textual substitution basically < 1184472606 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have that, but instead of shortcutting code, you shortcut strings < 1184472613 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you basically have regex with macros. < 1184472619 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my system is more complicated than plain substitution since you an have the regexes refer to themselves < 1184472634 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think I get what you're getting at < 1184472638 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, regex + macros = bnf as i said < 1184472644 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that you're using words which have different meanings < 1184472647 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me < 1184472653 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what? < 1184472664 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm always pretty obscure < 1184472670 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :macros and strings refer to totally different parts of what's going on in the process < 1184472680 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the way I'm used to using those words < 1184472685 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're using them differently < 1184472693 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your regexes match strings right? < 1184472694 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I talk about the string, I mean the input string < 1184472702 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not whatever the pattern is < 1184472712 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1184472718 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they match agaisnt the begining of a string < 1184472726 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, when i say string, i refer to a string or a regex, because it doesn't make a difference < 1184472726 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*against < 1184472739 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i'm saying is you are adding macros in regexes. < 1184472742 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean to a "terminal"? < 1184472758 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because when I say string, I mean what you're checking against < 1184472760 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie, < 1184472762 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo is a regex < 1184472768 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo.match("Blah"); < 1184472774 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i was talking about the regex, if that helps < 1184472776 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will see if "Blah" is accepted by foo < 1184472787 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by string I mean "Blah" < 1184472797 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you don't think of a regex as a string if you do not construct it with a string. < 1184472810 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean "[a-d]*d" is a string and a regex clearly < 1184472815 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I don't think of a regex as a string < 1184472823 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but C=A|B>>C; isn't a string, true < 1184472828 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think of a regex as a tree < 1184472872 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that, however, is not crucial, i'm just saying by adding functions into regexes you have circumvented the pumping lemma < 1184472885 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :functions < 1184472887 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not macros < 1184472905 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i just realized they indeed are clever macros in yours (== functions) < 1184472916 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one, they can refer to themselves < 1184472926 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't really macro behaviour < 1184472940 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, you still find something unclear? :\ < 1184472985 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"circumvented the pumping lemma" so you can match for example AAAA...AABB...BBBB < 1184472996 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where there's the same amount of A's and B's < 1184473015 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't do that with a regex, but add functions and voila. < 1184473019 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like you did. < 1184473029 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please tell me you got it? :) < 1184473472 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1184474123 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I had to step away for a second < 1184474126 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1184474187 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I think I get it < 1184474192 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes oklokok < 1184474209 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, strted playing with beepiano :P < 1184474212 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*started < 1184474217 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1184474225 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to eat dinner < 1184474411 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1184474419 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a cool little pulse :) < 1184474489 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes a pulse every 20 setps < 1184474546 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you set the speed to 20, it makes a pulse each second < 1184474826 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1184474835 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... :| < 1184474836 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1184474841 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to write a toggle now < 1184474845 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty cool when i put my computer's integrated microphone on < 1184474846 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will be neat :) < 1184474850 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1184474859 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making more crazy music? < 1184474867 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made a piece actually < 1184474873 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just hard to record in the night :) < 1184474891 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's great putting the mike on, i hear my typing hard as hell < 1184474897 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1184474970 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can only record the sound of my fingers on the keyboard < 1184474977 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you won't hear my new masterpiece. < 1184475030 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever tried using a tracker? < 1184475040 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1184475049 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one moment... < 1184475050 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could make wave output straight from the program < 1184475055 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be trivial to do < 1184475058 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1184475074 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://engramstudio.com/craptracker/tracker.pl <- play with this, you may enjoy it < 1184475079 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what am i saying, like Beep would write to a file, i'd have to play with sins and such < 1184475084 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shivarz* < 1184475103 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1184475112 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't know about trackers? :| < 1184475123 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch :) < 1184475145 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is listening to Mellow D - xn from Nectarine Demoscene Radio < 1184475151 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives oklokok kudos for skill < 1184475158 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has a sucky layout, that thingie < 1184475160 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1184475163 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ best. internet radio. ever. < 1184475164 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note layout < 1184475169 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably better ones < 1184475176 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: should i know about trackers? < 1184475181 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use anvil studio, but it has some... issues < 1184475183 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you should < 1184475191 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are at all interested in computer music < 1184475195 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: I have no doubt you could create some awesome things with a proper tracker < 1184475227 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: the fact i don't know an english term does not mean i don't know the concept : ) < 1184475260 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I thought you didn't know what they were at all :P < 1184475266 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: i already love my music, do not increase my assholish self-satisfaction :) < 1184475271 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which was surprising) < 1184475277 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: i do not know whether i know < 1184475295 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing a keyboard piano there doesn't tell me what a tracker is. < 1184475317 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://burningbird.net/technology/glory-days-the-parable-of-the-languages/ <-- Hahaha. (Back to stressing about a paper which may have already been due and which I'm probably going to get a C and mess up my course with.) < 1184475319 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it means a keyboard piano, i have played with one when i was 8 or smth < 1184475322 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know what a .mod file or .it or .xm is? < 1184475323 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: I love music, and I appreciate it tremendously, but I utterly lack the skill to create it. < 1184475325 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but beepiano has a better note layout. < 1184475348 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: old mid formats :) < 1184475353 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I want to increase my assholish self-satisfaction, I draw cool things. Art is one of the things *I'm* good at < 1184475359 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh :) < 1184475363 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not midi formats < 1184475371 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're similar, but not quite the same < 1184475376 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're tremendously superior < 1184475387 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: i refer to them as midi, because i've only done midi < 1184475388 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.MOD and .XM files bring with them their own samples < 1184475388 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, the instruments are saved along with the score < 1184475401 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1184475408 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can create instruments as well? < 1184475409 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1184475410 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1184475428 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made a thing once that actually randomized the instrument and the melody < 1184475430 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can bring in samples and change the behavior they have < 1184475433 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and made a wav < 1184475442 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some trackers, anyway < 1184475445 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason, i was the only one who enjoyed that :) < 1184475462 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it'd be fun, but I don't know enough about programming music to do it < 1184475465 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: i have done guitar pro, logic audio and plain score. < 1184475478 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only interface i found good is logic audio's matrix view < 1184475493 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but logic audio sucks ass (the windows translation is buggy i mean) < 1184475503 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FL studio is a pretty nice application, in my experience < 1184475512 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fordy.planetunreal.gamespy.com/images/modt.gif < 1184475514 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have this program < 1184475523 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: it created random scales, not that much of a challenge :) < 1184475554 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't FL have some restrictions Rodger? < 1184475558 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not interested in the actual sound, just the melody, really < 1184475580 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally, I prefer writing in anvil studio which gives you notes < 1184475586 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok, i like electric quitar and certain keyboard sounds better than square, but not many) < 1184475594 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :square <3 < 1184475611 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sonicspot.com/anvilstudio/anvilstudio.gif < 1184475613 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like this < 1184475621 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1184475627 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: i don't see why i'd need that, i do have guitar pro. < 1184475633 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, that's a very old version < 1184475638 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you don't need this < 1184475645 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't a tracker < 1184475649 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tabs are better than scores, matrices are better than tabs < 1184475654 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1184475664 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tracker does what, you didn't tell me yet :) < 1184475669 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one has some tab support < 1184475702 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use it to write tracker files like .mod and .it < 1184475730 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use it to sequence music < 1184475749 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracker < 1184475760 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will give you some more background if you are interested < 1184475817 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've done a lot of music on the computer, some 100 pieces i think, but i don't really care what program i use, so i haven't tried many out < 1184475843 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means i may lack knowledge that is somehow *basic* < 1184475846 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all melody only? < 1184475852 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1184475856 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are gp4's < 1184475860 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1184475860 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guitar pro < 1184475861 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1184475862 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mid sounds < 1184475877 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :melody only? most are polyphonic < 1184475884 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in the classic sense < 1184475889 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though < 1184475904 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only done 10 ro something classical pieces < 1184475913 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most are metal/weird < 1184475915 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if you'd like my music or not :P < 1184475923 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would definately want to hear it < 1184475931 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost all of my pieces have a repeated base over and over < 1184475935 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you listen to my music? :) < 1184475939 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynamic scoping is "omgwtfbbq, people actually use this!?!" < 1184475941 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bass? < 1184475944 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I listened to your keyboard one :) < 1184475946 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, typo < 1184475956 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried tracking last time many years ago, but I couldn't figure how people did it. < 1184475960 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: dynamic scoping is heaven < 1184475965 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So many notes ... how do you decide what to use? < 1184475968 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonono < 1184475970 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: you're in the same boat as I am < 1184475972 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: did you listen to the serious ones? < 1184475979 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I listened to the one you linked here < 1184475988 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try again recently. < 1184475990 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the beepiano one? < 1184475990 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd certainly like to hear more :) < 1184475996 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't draw for beans either. < 1184476005 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mikseri.net/artists/?id=44508 < 1184476005 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever your 15 year old finnish metal one was < 1184476014 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mikseri.net/artists/?id=62623 < 1184476018 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1184476018 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in FL Studio and Garageband I can generally manage to goof around and come up with something I enjoy, but trackers mystify me by resembling overly complex hex editors < 1184476030 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, those two are stuff i've actually used time to make < 1184476032 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't stand garageband :S < 1184476038 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1184476038 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hex editor == love. < 1184476060 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't done any hex editing in a while ... I should. < 1184476062 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oklokok, do you know CTGMusic? < 1184476064 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: learning to draw is entirely a factor of the amount of time you put into practicing, practicing, studying the techniques of others and practicing < 1184476070 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXCEPT I HAVE THIS STUPID PAPER I AM STRESSING ABOUT!! < 1184476070 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i have a lot of midi music, but i have so much of it you wouldn't actually listen to all of it if i gave it to you, so there's no point :) < 1184476081 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Kinda like Japanese then. < 1184476087 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would assume so < 1184476093 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: sorry, no :) < 1184476100 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to take a look < 1184476104 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logic audio, guitar pro, powertab < 1184476111 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i've seen garageband < 1184476116 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ctgmusic.com/ < 1184476125 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find art tremendously relaxing, and fun as a creative outlet < 1184476128 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: did you listen to the music now? < 1184476129 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1184476132 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am listening < 1184476146 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always been horrible at art. < 1184476154 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not into bassish music, gets a bit repetitive for my taste < 1184476160 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bassish? < 1184476161 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: you most likely won't like that < 1184476167 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :techno < 1184476168 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I went to a private school when I was little, I had to get art tutoring :\ < 1184476168 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I picked up pixel-art a few years ago, which is handy for making games, with the bizarre side-effect of being able to draw with a mouse about as well as I can with a pencil. :S < 1184476180 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1184476188 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of the stuff on CTG is techno, but not all of it < 1184476189 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's youtube videos about that < 1184476197 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1184476202 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 minutes to draw a somewhat realistic woman < 1184476203 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to suggest that if you want people to listen, you might put up some of your stuff there < 1184476215 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have a very bad grasp of spaciality. < 1184476216 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suck at drawing :) < 1184476217 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen a few things like that < 1184476229 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do basic pixel line-art < 1184476235 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything from math graphs to 2D video games, I can't do it. < 1184476237 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: listen to Liekeiss, that's the one people usually like unless they don't like the rest < 1184476242 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proportions are something you just have to drill into your head < 1184476256 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even understand math graphs until I see the function. < 1184476259 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: same for me < 1184476269 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :liekeissa? < 1184476272 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is that? < 1184476272 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people feel sorry for the paper when i draw on it. < 1184476276 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: a piece there < 1184476278 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same :P < 1184476286 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see it < 1184476292 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: two links < 1184476297 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two bands. < 1184476297 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see Reflection and Wanna feel pain < 1184476303 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the old band < 1184476308 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: to be honest, I think pixel-art can be an excellent gateway to other kinds of art- I would highly encourage you to try it. Pixel art is nice because it's forgiving (infinite erasures and redraws) and allows you to make very pretty things with varied palettes < 1184476316 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's practically a dead band nowadays < 1184476332 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: I still think I'll do awful, heh. < 1184476347 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: read tsugumo's tutorial < 1184476350 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's decent :) < 1184476355 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably one of the best ones out there < 1184476365 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made these animations for a sidescroller a friend of mine started working on recently: http://www.nonlogic.org/dump/images/1184470821-Sprites.png < 1184476370 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's liekeiss, a with an umlaut you ignorant american! :P < 1184476376 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1184476388 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have access to it on my keyboard so easily as you ;) < 1184476393 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: Tsugmo? < 1184476395 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how to type it < 1184476398 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't :P < 1184476412 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the standing animation was roughly based on a series of drawings I did as a "pencil test" http://rodger.nonlogic.org/images/MonkeyAnim.gif < 1184476414 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i know < 1184476415 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://petesqbsite.com/sections/tutorials/tuts/tsugumo/ < 1184476428 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that page is fantastic < 1184476436 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a classic, eh? :) < 1184476476 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok, where's the correct link, then? < 1184476486 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: you're welcome to show your music, all i have here is time, i'll listen to it all, whether i like it or not < 1184476492 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: two links, two bands. < 1184476498 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1184476504 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I had the wrong one < 1184476511 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, you just had the other one. < 1184476512 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I finished the Reflection < 1184476525 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty bad quality recording < 1184476541 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fail bad at the keyboards in Wanna feel pain :) < 1184476547 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any good books/guides on tracking? < 1184476550 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't laugh too hard, i was <15 < 1184476601 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm 17 :P < 1184476622 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i guess playing skills can't be excused with age since there are 5-year-olds playing many things as well as me) < 1184476623 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not well versed in metal, so I don't know what's good or not < 1184476640 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: you still might notice a mistake. < 1184476656 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1184476670 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i play faster than any less-than-8-year-old < 1184476676 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's it < 1184476677 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see what I can dig up here, hold on < 1184476692 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't written any good music in a long time < 1184476711 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i can play parts of yngwies blitzkrieg on the keyboards if that tells anyone anything :P) < 1184476750 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(prolly not, you technoboys) < 1184476763 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:P) < 1184476764 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :food -> < 1184476799 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll send you three of my old pieces < 1184476843 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never finished any of these songs < 1184476847 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1184476855 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can finish them for you if you want :P < 1184476859 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.megaupload.com/?d=E6D2GV1I < 1184476866 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, I'll keep working on them < 1184476872 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1184476880 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're rather weird :P < 1184476887 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see what else I can dig up < 1184476888 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's always good < 1184477000 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's another one, < 1184477001 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.megaupload.com/?d=QU0M2LN0 < 1184477006 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is probably one of my better ones < 1184477021 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is a prime example of a boring bass :) < 1184477038 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually playing it on piano, it would probably sound better < 1184477046 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there would be more variations in the way it sounds < 1184477074 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: if you don't like heavy, i don't recommend listening to hereford, amorte is pop, if you like that more < 1184477084 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not that pop < 1184477086 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but quite < 1184477218 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my fucking god < 1184477221 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have my mike on < 1184477229 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and put the volume up < 1184477240 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for some reason it's a software thing here < 1184477251 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my computer lags -> volume goes full < 1184477261 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o ouch < 1184477264 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way to put it back except wait for it to stop lagging < 1184477293 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i just played a high tone for about a minute in a very big volume < 1184477323 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my dad can't hear that high a tone i think :P but neighbour might've woken up) < 1184477347 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::S < 1184477358 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should get some headphones < 1184477371 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hole for them is broken :) < 1184477374 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will make your life easier listening to music at night :) < 1184477378 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that sucks :( < 1184477389 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't repair it? < 1184477422 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my music any good? < 1184477426 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah prolly... but haven't sent it to be repaired :) < 1184477432 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the lag prevented my opening it < 1184477435 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'll listen now < 1184477437 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1184477474 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice and simple < 1184477480 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks :) < 1184477483 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't techno < 1184477485 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1184477492 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i though when you said something about bazz < 1184477493 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say anything about writing techno < 1184477495 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zabaz < 1184477495 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bass < 1184477503 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I write a very repeatitive bass part < 1184477507 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in The Way < 1184477513 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you're not the only one allowed to typo that") < 1184477515 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1184477525 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*repetative < 1184477528 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1184477545 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see now what you meant by that < 1184477549 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184477556 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would sound much better actually played < 1184477564 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you play it? < 1184477567 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parts of it < 1184477580 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can play it if you like < 1184477583 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never taken any piano lessons, so... < 1184477593 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, make sure you listen to the whole thing through < 1184477593 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i can still play the piano, haven't done that in a while :P < 1184477603 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before commiting to that ;) < 1184477609 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of it's really a bit weird :P < 1184477620 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and might be quite difficult to actually play < 1184477632 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or physically impossible) < 1184477634 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to play 8 notes / second or something < 1184477665 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you can play it, I'd love to hear it played on a real piano :) < 1184477691 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it's of course impossible to get those 3 melodies played simultaniously < 1184477700 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for me it would be :) < 1184477711 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can work out something < 1184477736 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I originally intended it to be playable, but I later realized that I just didn't the hand coordination to do it < 1184477746 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I went a bit crazy later on in the piece with the variations and things < 1184477801 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't really call that a piece to be honest, it's 30 sec :) < 1184477815 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said I never finished most of my work :) < 1184477826 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points to Satie < 1184477827 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wanna be strict, you'd need 4 hands for that < 1184477841 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or two sets of hands ;) < 1184477857 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's called 4-handed playing in finland < 1184477860 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a piano term < 1184477864 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1184477874 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know piano terms < 1184477876 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forteissimo? < 1184477886 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1184477906 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forteissimo == Strong playing. < 1184477906 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forte fortissimo!! < 1184477912 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pianissimo == Weak playing. < 1184477916 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(piano pianissimo) < 1184477936 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crecendo Crecendo CRecendo CRE-FUCKING-CENDO < 1184477937 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1184477943 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf? < 1184477944 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184477948 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know those terems :) < 1184477949 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You sound like my art teacher :D < 1184477949 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Terms < 1184477955 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DImi(nuen.d..o...) < 1184477965 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/art/old piano/ < 1184477980 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points to music which has "retard." written in the score < 1184477996 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Je suis en retard. < 1184478012 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: those are the terms people use out of musical context as well, though < 1184478036 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a lot of basic musical terms since I've had a couple years playing the flute < 1184478041 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :staccato doesn't really mean anything unless you've actually played an instrument < 1184478045 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus I've been composing for a long time < 1184478047 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1184478054 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know many piano specific things < 1184478056 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or legato < 1184478061 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better, portato :) < 1184478069 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :potato! :) < 1184478074 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-piano people know about potato. < 1184478078 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn, beat me to it :P < 1184478082 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184478082 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184478085 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a room < 1184478092 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for potatoes? < 1184478096 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err... yes. < 1184478105 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shows you he already has an adequate root room. < 1184478132 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you say po-tay-to? < 1184478153 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1184478197 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's another song < 1184478205 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HJYH980M < 1184478235 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't really the most 'together' piece in the world, but eh, none of my stuff is :) < 1184478307 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of my music would probably take a couple listens through before it makes any sense < 1184478314 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that happens to me even sometimes < 1184478317 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I wrote the songs < 1184478327 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reminds me a bit of the Beatles' music < 1184478337 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to listen through their songs a couple times before I can follow it < 1184478374 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there are other groups like that, but they're the only ones that come to mind right now < 1184478397 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what style of music I'm writing though :P < 1184478421 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of it is based off of things I figured out listening to game sound tracks < 1184478429 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Chrono Trigger and Zelda < 1184478572 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was I doing? < 1184478582 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm ranting!! < 1184478593 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shuts up for a few minutes < 1184478607 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prods Sukoshi and oklokok < 1184478612 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say you write backround music, easy going and no surprises (i don't mean utterly simple, i mean the easy-goin-ness) < 1184478626 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I agree < 1184478628 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as you said yourself, actually < 1184478638 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is < 1184478647 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of different sorts of background musics < 1184478671 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what you'd have in a battle in a video game is very different from what you'd have in an elevator :) < 1184478671 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, i've never been good at categorizing music < 1184478681 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there aren't good terms for that < 1184478693 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are genres, but those are about sound, not melody. < 1184478728 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: to upload there, do you need an account? < 1184478732 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1184478735 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could up you come of my mids < 1184478741 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*some < 1184478766 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1184478903 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah! this is classic :) < 1184478917 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Consider how often writers abuse the apostrophe; not to mention the semicolon." < 1184478953 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1184479077 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://burningbird.net/technology/glory-days-the-parable-of-the-languages/ <-- Hahaha. (Back to stressing about a paper which may have already been due and which I'm probably going to get a C and mess up my course with.) < 1184479108 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the paper? < 1184479114 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Art history. < 1184479123 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Numerous problems, much stressing. Parental angst included. < 1184479136 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm stressing so hard right now that I have to do some Japanese to calm down. < 1184479181 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems i can't convert gp4 to mid. < 1184479186 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::S < 1184479196 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have both gp4 and gp5 < 1184479210 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither can make it neither mid nor wav < 1184479212 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sukoshi: ah < 1184479214 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm :( < 1184479220 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though both have that export < 1184479225 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the files just don't work < 1184479389 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1184479397 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems i just didn't have enough ram to listen xD < 1184479472 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184479477 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1184479587 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.megaupload.com/?d=JW278ACC < 1184479593 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :random pieces < 1184479618 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guitar sucks if you're not used to it < 1184480089 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those all have lyrics as well but i don't think you'd be interested :D < 1184480103 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184480125 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not too big on metal to be honest < 1184480132 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I am listening :) < 1184480188 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to sleep. 'night, guys < 1184480193 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1184480202 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's morning here though < 1184480204 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1184480205 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya rodger < 1184480209 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too slow :P < 1184480212 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1184480213 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1184480255 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have very little stuff without the guitar < 1184480315 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this last one sounds a bit like you'd hear in a boss battle in a game < 1184480323 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one? < 1184480332 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in a dungeon < 1184480345 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essence of Truth < 1184480405 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two other are pretty basic metal < 1184480414 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EOT is one of my more creative ones < 1184480419 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it :) < 1184480429 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially that other lighter theme < 1184480439 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's pretty great < 1184480445 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1184480447 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184480586 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.megaupload.com/?d=0WO5ZRQ2 < 1184480592 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit long < 1184480626 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because of the nature of guitar pro, it's very repetitive < 1184480726 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.< < 1184480750 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1184480752 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1184480762 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you interpretted languages with weak type checking!! < 1184480773 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't give me an error message < 1184480777 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just evaluated to null < 1184480780 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used > hour because i was setting a global variable in a constructor instead of the objects variables :) < 1184480785 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :had the wrong namd < 1184480788 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm remarkably curious how you can not tell that something's a variable. < 1184480796 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and happened to have variables with the same name < 1184480798 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1184480812 0 :Figs!n=Figs@ip72-220-174-159.sd.sd.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1184480814 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1184480817 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a Tcler; variable references are preceded with $ or used as an argument to set. < 1184480833 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, "$foo" or [set foo] < 1184480939 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last one, i promise :P < 1184480944 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is my newest http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7KIMP763 < 1184480950 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 hour project < 1184480951 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still waiting on the other :P < 1184480955 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :D < 1184481010 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god that's a cool guitar solo < 1184481035 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ 8 min exactly < 1184481116 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to ask you people -- how do you know which instrument produces the sound you want and when? < 1184481125 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1184481130 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1184481131 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: guile replaced tcl < 1184481147 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can understand on Piano, mainly because I have piano experience, but when you're composing music you don't just use one instrument. < 1184481166 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like what you have at about 3:00 < 1184481170 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care that much about the choise for instrument < 1184481174 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a long story < 1184481179 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll check it out < 1184481183 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: In the same sense that BASIC replaced C? < 1184481191 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesen't help much oklokok :P < 1184481203 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you just experiment and find the correct sounds neccessary? < 1184481208 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: in the sense that scheme pwns < 1184481215 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's right though < 1184481217 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: are you talking about the instrument or the notes? < 1184481218 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't really matter < 1184481231 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any instrument can produce any tone < 1184481233 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just play with the instruments < 1184481243 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :till you get the texture and tones you like < 1184481247 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. So it's like playing with a REPL. < 1184481255 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when writing it, I usually just write with piano < 1184481259 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: yes, if you're a noob :) < 1184481259 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then arrange later < 1184481268 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i compose in my head < 1184481271 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :REPL? < 1184481280 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read-eval-process-something < 1184481281 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184481284 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1184481286 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Scheme and Tcl both pwn. . . ;) < 1184481299 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: Read Eval Print Loop. < 1184481301 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suuuuuuure < 1184481302 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loop is the last < 1184481304 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah and print < 1184481324 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, this is kind of cool... < 1184481333 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1184481345 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, you remember that little esolang I was talking about? < 1184481358 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one meant to be like befuge? < 1184481370 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote it :) < 1184481371 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1184481380 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't look very language like though :P < 1184481387 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i didn't really check it out that well < 1184481391 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ignore the ranter. < 1184481400 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did something else when you were explaining it < 1184481438 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see if I can do some simple adding < 1184481451 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I can do at least an And and an OR < 1184481486 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah 3:00 is the chorus < 1184481496 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh my "," is broken!ti9grje < 1184481567 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i'll stop listening to my mids now < 1184481573 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like them too much. < 1184481575 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :food - < 1184481577 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1184481606 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've got something cool now... < 1184481614 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see if i can make a 2 pulse < 1184481637 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :steady clock < 1184481639 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1184481641 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1184481646 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very easily too < 1184481767 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1184481776 0 :Figs!n=Figs@ip72-220-174-159.sd.sd.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1184481778 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong button again!! < 1184482003 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1184482008 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok < 1184482012 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you repaste your second link? < 1184482015 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most recent one? < 1184482022 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the one after a long story) < 1184482034 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7KIMP763 < 1184482037 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1184482044 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((lambda (x) `(,x ',x)) '(lambda (x) `(,x ',x))) < 1184482052 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :switch back again? :P < 1184482064 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got it so I have two streams now < 1184482068 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that come together < 1184482086 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one has pulse every other time the other one comes < 1184482100 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be easy to build those memory cells, I think < 1184482110 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that I have toggle gates < 1184482144 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to design a system that will let me edit these though < 1184482151 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they're all hard coded in right now < 1184482264 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Looks combinatorial. < 1184482277 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks siisiish. < 1184482299 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, it's crazy watching this go at 60 frames a second < 1184482389 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: huh? < 1184482531 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: I'm a poor, poor Tcler. Could you give me your lambda in Tclexps? < 1184482545 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know tcl... < 1184482551 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: siisii. < 1184482561 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :```sii``sii < 1184482567 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1184482570 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1184482591 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[apply {x {$x $x}}] {x {$x $x}} < 1184482602 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's the correct translation into Tcl 8.5. . . < 1184482625 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. . . No. < 1184482660 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tcl's code isn't data, is it? < 1184482666 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure it is. < 1184482708 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, what's (lambda (x) ...)? < 1184482730 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{x {...}} < 1184482752 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do you construct code? < 1184482787 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Construct a string containing your code, eval it, apply it, or make a proc out of it. < 1184482831 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you append strings, and call functions? < 1184482833 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's (lambda (x) (lambda (y) x)) ? :) < 1184482857 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K < 1184482870 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: in tcl < 1184482892 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{x {y {x}}? < 1184482913 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apply {x {apply {y {$x}}} ? < 1184482913 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean {x {{y {x}}}} < 1184482946 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what's the syntax for calling functions < 1184482976 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start a line with it if it's named. If it's anonymous, pass it to the apply function. < 1184483006 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and appending? < 1184483019 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Appending to a function? < 1184483028 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strings < 1184483042 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's easy. Use the append function. < 1184483061 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, lets see < 1184483066 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :append varName ?value value value ...? < 1184483104 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or: set varName [concat $varName value value value ...]) < 1184483113 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1184483134 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i see < 1184483191 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{x {concat x "\"" x "\""}} "{x {concat x "\"" x "\""}}" < 1184483191 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::S < 1184483194 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is really annoying < 1184483195 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1184483247 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is [apply [apply {x {{y {x}}}} 3] 2] actually 3, or does tcl break on it? < 1184483275 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me just try it. < 1184483310 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntactically invalid. < 1184483339 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The inner lambda tries to execute the command "y {x}", which is, I believe, not what you want. < 1184483343 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: actually i don't think i got a reasonable answer to what K is < 1184483394 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the most portable version of K: proc K {x y} {set x} < 1184483436 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anonymously: {{x y} {set x}} < 1184483446 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: actually i am asking if tcl does lambda calculus worth the name < 1184483462 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: curry < 1184483538 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.tcl.tk/4824 This appears to be one solution. < 1184483635 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that that code is written using the latest stable Tcl build, which doesn't have functions as a first-class object. < 1184483758 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no closures, in other words < 1184483768 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.tcl.tk/16182 This describes the alpha Tcl build. ;) < 1184483860 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Can be added. < 1184483930 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAHHHH!!! >.< < 1184483939 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION destroys program in a frenzy < 1184484066 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that >.< is legal brainfuck < 1184484077 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184484107 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is just another reason to prove I should never use this system again < 1184484125 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lambda (fn . a) (lambda b (apply fn (append a b)))) < 1184484141 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the object system is fucked up and collisions after creating new objects don't always seem to take proper precedence < 1184484143 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curry is simple in scheme! < 1184484166 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chicken Curry? :P < 1184484172 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes bad jokes :P < 1184484186 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i looooove curry < 1184484282 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{fn a} {apply {b {apply fn {apply a b}}}}}, I think, is currywurst. XD < 1184484332 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh. Nope: {{fn a} {apply {b {apply $fn {apply $a $b}}}}} < 1184484336 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Khichoree full of ghee ... mmmmm.... < 1184484535 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Happy? < 1184484573 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't look right < 1184484599 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry; I'm kind of new to doing strictly functional coding in Tcl. < 1184484642 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1184484645 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh grief < 1184484647 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.< < 1184484651 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beware!! < 1184484689 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a good thing when a manga you used to read has the same title as a Shonen-ai anime and you start using google to find the old manga >.< < 1184484711 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shonen-ai? < 1184484722 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"boy-love" < 1184484727 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.< < 1184484729 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hawt < 1184484759 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie, gay romance story for girls < 1184484773 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(usually for girls :S) < 1184485157 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shounen-ai! < 1184485164 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Shonen. < 1184485175 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes lots of typoes < 1184485176 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1184485183 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care; don't want it either way. :p < 1184485187 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184485227 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone got the link to brainfuck or befunge on the wiki? < 1184485228 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should care, being a Japanese student and all. < 1184485230 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can't remember the link < 1184485239 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't taken japanese in a year :) < 1184485243 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but eh < 1184485269 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean pikhq. < 1184485279 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1184485292 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1184485304 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: Well, yeah. I mostly just don't care in that shoujo-ai is preferable by a large margin. :p < 1184485304 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were telling me I should care I made a typo on the word shounen < 1184485337 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't watch Shounen-ai meself, and I prefer Yuri (not Shoujo-ai!) but case in point. < 1184485379 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, yeah. Mostly saying that I don't want gay pron. ;p < 1184485394 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference between yuri and shoujo-ai? < 1184485619 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shoujo-ai was made by an American person who took the Japanese semi-slang word Shoujo-ai and twisted it. No-one outside the US really uses it. < 1184485646 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But generally, Shoujo-ai is ``softcore''. < 1184485682 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was mostly using it as contrast to shounen-ai; presumably, that's how the term came into usage here. < 1184485706 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1184485713 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :softcore gay porn is for wimps. < 1184485721 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't watch pron... :P < 1184485731 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: can I quote you on that? < 1184485732 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Softcore meaning no sex involved. < 1184485740 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: You like t3h tentacle raep? < 1184485744 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: sure :P < 1184485747 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too coolz for me >> < 1184485763 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: depends on how many tentacles < 1184485766 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shoujo-ai is used in some circles, but it's dying out too. < 1184485768 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1184485782 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: Tentacle loli raep right? Since tentacle raep is only loli-licious. < 1184485786 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it used in some squares? :P < 1184485788 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Lockpick Pornography_ is a good book < 1184485796 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1184485800 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've watched tentacle stuff, also loli+tentacle, but i can't say i enjoy any hentai really < 1184485800 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf? < 1184485809 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmnt: wtf is that? < 1184485814 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184485816 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: a good book < 1184485820 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: Then I'll be glad to confiscate your collection. < 1184485822 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it about...? < 1184485829 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1184485834 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: a couple of gay people < 1184485841 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i don't have any hentai on my hd < 1184485841 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1184485845 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/couple of/few/ < 1184485869 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq wants the loli-licious tentacles? < 1184485874 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1184485880 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just sounds nasty! < 1184485882 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I've never seen hentai, nor do I intend to. < 1184485891 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: No, I just want to sell it for great profit. < 1184485905 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: yuri is hentai < 1184485921 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen some, most is just stupid. < 1184485936 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: No it's not. < 1184485939 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: suuuuuure < 1184485942 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not always, I mean. < 1184485943 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: suuuuuuure < 1184485946 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: Porn is stupid by definition. ;) < 1184485948 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuri can be softore, obviously. < 1184485951 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*softcore < 1184485957 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Wait? Is softcore porn?) < 1184485960 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: how is porn stupid? < 1184485965 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :porn is great < 1184485973 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: porn is hard to define < 1184485973 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever it is, it doesen't involve any sex or nekkidness. < 1184485981 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can it be yuri then < 1184485990 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: .... Typical male behavior :D < 1184485994 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: It appeals to the stupider, animalistic instincts by design. < 1184486002 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are these things called relationships. < 1184486003 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovely lesbian lolis < 1184486018 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Loving the *person* not the *body*. Crazy, I know. < 1184486042 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can tell about a person through their body < 1184486045 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: So, you've got romance novels, rather than porn. Main difference being the audience. :p < 1184486058 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Romance is the more appropriate word. < 1184486063 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, uhm... I have _really_ gotten this channel off topic! < 1184486065 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1184486068 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Dream_of_the_fishermans_wife_hokusai.jpg < 1184486068 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :success! < 1184486078 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: That's inherent in the channel. < 1184486086 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: is it arousing? < 1184486094 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Errr... no? < 1184486103 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's probably not porn < 1184486107 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess it is *sometimes*, but I don't read it for arousement. < 1184486115 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi, are you a bunny? < 1184486119 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1184486123 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.egscomics.com < 1184486126 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah < 1184486139 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: suuuure you don't < 1184486140 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might find it interesting < 1184486195 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i should try some sleeping soon < 1184486204 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's got to be like what < 1184486206 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 am there? < 1184486209 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 < 1184486212 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. :) < 1184486218 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: still on uberman's? < 1184486247 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i just can't wake up once i fall asleep, failed the second night :P < 1184486255 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh < 1184486258 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even recall putting the clock off < 1184486265 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though i had multiple < 1184486289 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 i think, one is on the computer < 1184486300 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: i can't help it, it's genetics < 1184486313 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either i shut them all off or i just slept the hour they were ringing :) < 1184486341 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i might try sleeping on the floor tonight < 1184486343 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might help < 1184486350 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bed is so comfortable. < 1184486355 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh <3 < 1184486389 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1184486399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1184486400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1184486519 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1184486679 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried polyphasic (not Uberman) for 2 weeks. < 1184486706 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One day, I slept through two blaring alarms that woke up my mom and my sister in another room through closed doors all the way across the hall. < 1184486720 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After that I realized polyphasic was a failure :P < 1184486751 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: what schedule? < 1184486780 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: I can't remember offhand, but it was rearranged for school purposes. < 1184486809 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm going to try 24 hours awake, 12 hours asleep sometime < 1184486874 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do a 4 hours asleep, 20 hours awake routine. < 1184486887 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :riiiiight < 1184486893 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1184486898 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not hard, you know. < 1184486921 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never understood how people sleep longer than 4 hours. What's the difference between sleeping for a long time and sleeping forever? < 1184486925 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the same amount of sleep as uberman's, without the spacing out for REM < 1184486939 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Uberman is 2. < 1184486953 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no dreams? :( < 1184486962 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: How do you know? < 1184486966 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1184486967 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get dreams ever anyways. < 1184486977 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot < 1184486985 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always get dreams, even if I forget them :) < 1184486986 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: I've been known to sleep for 12 hours at a time. < 1184486995 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know because of psychology :) < 1184487003 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably can't handle low amounts of sleep well at all. ;) < 1184487012 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well true. I don't remember my dreams, so it is quite pointless. < 1184487014 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sleep for >12 regularly, sometimes 15 < 1184487024 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi -- why not try to remember your dreams? < 1184487028 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even with 4 hours, I can't get all the things I want to in a day done. < 1184487031 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: Because sleep is boring. < 1184487031 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy to do if you decide you want to < 1184487037 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lucid dreaming < 1184487041 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ain't boring ;) < 1184487045 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last night i went to bed at 1:30 and got up at 2:00 < 1184487054 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your programming time is cut, your time for Japanese is cut, you can't even enjoy anime or watch TV. < 1184487061 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0130 - 1400, that is < 1184487077 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially on school days with school and homework taking large chunks of the day out. < 1184487090 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you propose I do my daily electronics homework too then? < 1184487101 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My usual time is closer to 6, but in the summer, I drift to 12 hours of sleep and my body *tries* to shove me into a 36-hour day. < 1184487102 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lucid dreaming won't teach me about RF ;) < 1184487130 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boooring. < 1184487135 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: it could < 1184487143 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Summer I do 4-5 hours. School I do 2-4 hours. < 1184487161 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible < 1184487167 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1184487178 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Healthy? Probably not. Fun? As hell. < 1184487212 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would do a temporary complete sleep-dep experiment, but not that < 1184487242 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sheer volume of stuff I do in a day does not fit in even 20 hours, how do you expect it to fit in less? < 1184487253 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to find a spot to cram in daily blog writing and extra Kanji time. < 1184487267 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sukoshi: optomization :D < 1184487280 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if I adjust my gaming time a little bit, I've been thinking, but I've already cut down gaming to 1 hour. < 1184487286 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so make your days longers < 1184487291 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm not sure what else I can do. < 1184487296 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a time turner thing from hp 3 :P < 1184487302 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1184487328 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get everything you want to done; sleep; repeat < 1184487330 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the art history course went away, the time would appear. < 1184487340 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have other obligations and parents you know. < 1184487340 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finish art history? < 1184487346 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget stupid 24hourness < 1184487367 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My solution is remarkably simple: gaming? meh. TV? Not worth spending time for, anyway. < 1184487367 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually sukoshi, I haven't sleep properly in 15 years :) < 1184487371 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etc. . . < 1184487383 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only watch Good Eats. But I watch a lot of anime. < 1184487384 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAHWRLKRFJ:EWLR :D:D: /.. .. . . .. ... ... .. :D < 1184487390 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes good spoken Japanese practice. < 1184487402 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SeeeEEEE how FIne?! I turrrrrnede out ??? ::DDDD < 1184487405 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Along with manga reading (which I'm also trying to insert to the daily routine), and novel reading. < 1184487453 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think your logic is flawed < 1184487465 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add some hedonism in < 1184487467 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jeez < 1184487487 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live for learning and creating. I get a kick out of my daily routine. < 1184487496 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do it because it's a *lot* of fun. < 1184487499 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do what you want to, now < 1184487509 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then other things start slipping. < 1184487512 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need a routine < 1184487534 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a pointless debate, and my break time's over. You need a routine if you want to keep a standard in several daily tasks. < 1184487544 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Studying requires dedication. Anyways, see jah. < 1184487584 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was fun you wouldn't need to force yourself into it < 1184487602 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm closer to a full-time hacker who does other things when the mood comes to me. Not really good for anything other than hacking, though. ;) < 1184487624 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Egads, my brain! < 1184487625 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184487629 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that describes me, I think. < 1184487638 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi, have fun < 1184487642 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but don't hurt yourself < 1184487663 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people have better mental powers after a full sleep < 1184490177 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=saru@222-154-149-88.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1184490662 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-89-167.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1184492340 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes off to collapse somewhere < 1184492644 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1184492741 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BWAHAHA! < 1184492743 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1184492751 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got it exactly < 1184492757 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 1:45:00 am < 1184492895 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com" < 1184492914 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=saru@222-154-149-88.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1184492954 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs uses Windows? < 1184492955 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1184494930 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonna sleep now, gnight < 1184494943 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet dreams < 1184494951 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"OGG>MP3, end of story." < 1184495875 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1184497998 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-080-228-185-191.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1184498125 0 :ehird`!n=test@user-514f618c.l4.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1184508633 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1184512262 0 :ihope!n=ihope@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1184513603 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1184515796 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: I am trying to do Lucid dreaming but not getting anywhere < 1184515831 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any hints? < 1184515953 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want hints from Sukoshi, who does not have dreams, ever? < 1184516013 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh why is every goddamn language so verbose < 1184516029 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to write 100 lines to get a simple 2d game engine rolling < 1184516035 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a fucking oneliner in oklotalk < 1184516042 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, got confused < 1184516070 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant Figs. < 1184516083 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: example? < 1184516102 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION knew who you meant, he's just an evil bitch < 1184516118 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: pygame :P < 1184516145 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only tried pygame, java applets and sdl for graphics... so i shouldn't really blame every language i guess :D < 1184516231 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know K does mandelbrot with a oneliner < 1184516242 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b:4>@[n;&0n=n:+/_sqr 50{c+(-/x*x;2*/x)}/c:+,/(-1.5+2*(!w)%w),/:\:-1+2*(!w)%w:200;:;4];`mandel.pbm 6:"P4\n",(5:2#w),"\n",_ci 2_sv'-1 8#,/+(2#w)#b < 1184516248 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant, what is the "D game, and what is it in Oklotalk? < 1184516252 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like compressed sex < 1184516262 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* 2D < 1184516266 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: erm, yeah < 1184516279 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not experienced enough to appreciate your analogy < 1184516291 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :experienced in sex or in K? < 1184516296 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both < 1184516307 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not experienced either at all :-( < 1184516313 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K beats sex by a mile, if you have to choose between those, do K < 1184516336 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure? < 1184516344 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't done that much K < 1184516350 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i've seen it's beauty < 1184516351 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1184516461 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :draw(50 50 100 100)world files Somepic; < 1184516469 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will output an image on the screen < 1184516475 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it. < 1184516476 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :¿Qué es K? < 1184516491 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: it's the language. < 1184516509 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1184516509 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which, unfortunately, is pronounced roughly like "kay es kah" rather than "kay es kay".) < 1184516519 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its implementation propeitry, though < 1184516523 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+is < 1184516525 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-036-059.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1184516531 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, did somebody say never dreams ever? < 1184516533 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1184516538 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, Sukoshi < 1184516566 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC dreams occur mostly in the later sleep, so if you don't sleep much you will dream disproprotionately less < 1184516606 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1184516610 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does Sukoshi sleep? < 1184516637 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2-5 < 1184516638 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hours < 1184516640 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a nite < 1184516669 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: dreams occur in rem < 1184516671 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems... not a lot. < 1184516676 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rem comes in cycles < 1184516686 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but moreso later on < 1184516690 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 or something times in a normal night's sleep < 1184516691 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2-5 hours per nite? that's... not much < 1184516696 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually get 7. < 1184516706 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, people do dream during naps. < 1184516708 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2-5 hour... that... little is very :| < 1184516723 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: yes, that's the basis of uberman < 1184516725 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s < 1184516741 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much coffee does he drink!? < 1184516747 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :she, actually < 1184516748 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uberman is related to dreaming? < 1184516749 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: presumably because they don't need deep sleep at that point < 1184516759 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: rem is when you dream < 1184516771 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it seems that is the only necessary phase of sleep < 1184516789 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sp3tt: is amount of coffee consumed actually related to amount of sleep? < 1184516794 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not proven, but if people are on uberman's for over a year, i'm pretty sure it's true < 1184516795 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you sure it's only during REM? < 1184516806 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: from what i read about uberman < 1184516810 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s, yes < 1184516890 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A 'dream' is the experience of a sequence of images, sounds, ideas, emotions, or other sensations during sleep, especially REM sleep." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream < 1184516962 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's this saying Sukoshi doesn't dream, again? < 1184516967 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's the actual "dreaming phase" < 1184516976 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the phases aren't *that* discrete < 1184516985 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1184516992 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what i meant by that < 1184517005 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: Sukoshi said she doesn't have dreams. < 1184517040 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can't rely on that. < 1184517057 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: meaning she does not remember them < 1184517061 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods < 1184517065 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which essentially is the same thing < 1184517081 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs < 1184517084 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming everyone *knows* she of course actually has dream) < 1184517087 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dreams < 1184517099 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With practice, dream recall can be "learned". < 1184517114 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION knows < 1184517120 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has done that < 1184517144 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just my dreams are rarely worth mentioning < 1184517149 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either they're boring as hell < 1184517154 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or too sick to tell publicly < 1184517242 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, i've had a dream where i'd just walk home from school < 1184517248 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a 5 mile walk < 1184517257 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing happened. < 1184517565 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, you say oklotalk does a certain sort of 2D game engine in one line? < 1184517580 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's most likely not true. < 1184517582 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1184517588 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just got pissed at python < 1184517593 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, oh, I see. < 1184517603 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can try making one, we'll see how long it'll take < 1184517609 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, in code length < 1184517615 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders a Haskell one-liner < 1184517627 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A *useful* Haskell one-liner. < 1184517646 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Useful, or some such. < 1184517664 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some other such, that is. < 1184517691 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBM simulator thingy? < 1184517800 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :q[]=[];q(x:s)=(\(y,z)->q y++x:q z)$partition([];L->'({_<:L}\L)+:L+'({_>:L}\L)} < 1184517921 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in oklotalk < 1184517926 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's still pretty clear < 1184517935 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make it tremendously shorter < 1184518012 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? < 1184518025 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to find my shorter one < 1184518028 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can't < 1184518035 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try to remake it < 1184518045 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort [] = []; sort (x:xs) = sort (filter xs (<= x)) ++ [x] ++ sort (filter xs (> x)) < 1184518060 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort [] = []; sort (x:xs) = filter (sort xs) (<= x) ++ [x] ++ filter (sort xs) (> x) < 1184518070 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure which is better. < 1184518118 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort[]=[];sort(x:xs)=filter(sort xs)(<=x)++x:filter(sort xs)(>x) < 1184518124 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{->$;'(._<\:_)+.:+'$._<\:_} < 1184518130 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still a lot of redundancy < 1184518131 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION squishes < 1184518145 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have the arguments to filter backwards < 1184518146 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 27 < 1184518147 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How short does it go? < 1184518155 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, I do. < 1184518156 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you will want to use partition of maximum shortness < 1184518159 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*for < 1184518201 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i've been thinking of a partitioning operator (for this exact reason, originally :P), but that'd be cheating < 1184518220 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also... sorting in quicksort is /. < 1184518225 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a one-char < 1184518258 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/. is one character? < 1184518264 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i'm not sure if that was the command, i don't have the spec here and i've done a lot of remake to make use for every char :P < 1184518267 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: / < 1184518271 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. ended my sentence < 1184518292 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1184518293 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a prefix operator, /1 5 3 6 === 1 3 5 6 < 1184518328 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort=Data.List.sort < 1184518333 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort in Haskell :-P < 1184518341 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List.sort > /! :P < 1184518348 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that quaranteed to be quicksort? < 1184518349 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1184518356 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe? < 1184518370 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have import qualified Data.List as L, sort=L.sort < 1184518373 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what maybe with a question mark means < 1184518377 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have import Data.List, sort is free :-) < 1184518390 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... same as without, I suppose. < 1184518439 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :End everything with a question mark, if you want? It'll look weird, though? < 1184518441 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1184518489 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort is free? < 1184518561 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No definition required. < 1184518571 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in Data.List, and you've imported Data.List. < 1184518597 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to import anything to have / in oklotalk :) < 1184518653 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lsort needs Lang!List, but you usually have that already imported (oklotalk also has an OS under it that's somewhat attached to the language) < 1184518680 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so imports and stuff like that are sometimes implicit) < 1184518692 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(depending on where you are coding / scripting) < 1184518698 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(parens are nice) < 1184518803 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: i can't really think of a way to do any key input without actually matching the keycodes < 1184518804 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X Y=50 50;I->@[Do`{clear;draw$(X,Y)world files Pic;X Y<-X+(),Y+()}]; < 1184518812 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will draw a pic and move it around randomly < 1184518826 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1184518835 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X Y=50 50;I->@[Do`{clear;draw$(X,Y),world files Pic;X Y<-X+(),Y+()}]; < 1184518838 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess like that < 1184518869 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, you can get that smaller, i had to add some code to have possibility for key input < 1184518876 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but didn't make it < 1184518887 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that'd've been like 20 chars :| < 1184518942 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X Y=50 50;I->do`{clear;draw$(X,Y),world files Pic;X Y<-X+(),Y+()}; that is < 1184518960 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X Y=50 50;do`{clear;draw$(X,Y),world files Pic;X Y<-X+(),Y+()} that is < 1184519210 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k combinator in oklotalk: {A->§(A)} < 1184519213 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll stop now :) < 1184519228 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, you don't seem to be interfering with anything. < 1184519271 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, i'm just afraid all my monologueing will deplete my brain, soon i'll have nothing to say < 1184519414 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1184519450 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god i hate it having to search for modules... why can't the ide do that for me :| < 1184519667 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always 3 hours getting the modules and all to work, 15 minutes to make the actual game < 1184519732 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i wonder when i'll ever be able to shop, when i wake up, shops start closing < 1184519737 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need food < 1184519813 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're being caught up in the nightly recessions? < 1184519838 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i give up, please tell me there the python module "helpers" can be found < 1184519852 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#python < 1184519854 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1184519868 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite annoying that GDP drops like an aerodynamic barbell every night. < 1184519869 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea < 1184519878 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they must love questions like that < 1184519901 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of game are you looking to create? < 1184519922 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1184519931 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a 2d map < 1184519937 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and two points on it < 1184519955 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from point A, enemies come and move towards point B < 1184519963 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they get there, you lose. < 1184519971 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can built stuff to kill them < 1184519977 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the enemies will not attack < 1184519999 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds fun. < 1184520001 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a game that first arose in multiplayer strategy games i think < 1184520006 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, game idea < 1184520016 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's lots of flashes about it < 1184520027 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to make one with a bitter higher mathematical content < 1184520035 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can think about your plans on paper < 1184520052 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not just try out random strategies < 1184520069 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most those games have one exact way to get millions of points < 1184520146 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, in one of the games, there is only one gun that can archive at constant price a non constant rise in damage < 1184520149 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1184520164 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s / non constant rise / n->n*a < 1184520183 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty obvious that is the only way to get *anywhere* < 1184520207 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the hp of the enemies grows... n->n*1, while you only get a constant increase in the money you get outta them < 1184520217 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: supply me the correct term, will you? < 1184520231 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, lemme read... < 1184520244 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The term for what? < 1184520245 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lose vocabulary temporarily every time i read new vocabulary < 1184520249 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n->n*a < 1184520255 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiplying n by a? < 1184520258 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n->n+a = constant increase < 1184520260 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1184520263 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :constant factor < 1184520272 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or smth < 1184520274 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coefficient? < 1184520277 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1184520290 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coefficiential rise in money? < 1184520305 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's multiplied by a number regularly, that's an exponential increase. < 1184520309 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, ... < 1184520318 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it is, heh < 1184520333 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did some unbelievable failing there < 1184520343 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hopefully my point was still cathable < 1184520348 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*catchable < 1184520353 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i had one, don't remember. < 1184520487 0 :ihope_!n=ihope@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1184520492 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember, I'm retroscient. < 1184520496 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming that's a word. < 1184520511 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, it should be. < 1184520546 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it seems I didn't miss anything anyway. < 1184520558 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you mean: retracement? < 1184520675 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what's retroscient? < 1184520691 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already know it's *nothing*, but what is it? < 1184520694 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knowing the past. < 1184520776 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that should've been easy to guezz < 1184520825 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i'd actually have looked at it, once you said you're not sure if it's a word i checked it's meaning without reading it :) < 1184521170 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes < 1184524290 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And suddenly, chat falls silent, not to be woken for almost 52 minutes... < 1184524314 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By my client, 51 minutes and 59 seconds. < 1184524758 0 :test__!n=test@user-514f618c.l4.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1184524758 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1184525935 0 :RodgerTheGreat!n=Rodger@wads-5-232-125.resnet.mtu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1184528143 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :RodgerTheAfk < 1184528178 0 :test__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1184528249 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test__: eh? < 1184528257 0 :test__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1184528865 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haldo! < 1184529004 0 :test__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't compress that to one letter < 1184529013 0 :test__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird` < 1184530678 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In letter impossible. < 1184530687 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In four words possible. < 1184530740 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And two. And not need punctuation. < 1184530752 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except period. < 1184530792 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Five words not okay. Try say much. < 1184530982 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And more not okay.) < 1184531060 0 :RodgerTheAfk!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :RodgerTheGreat < 1184531353 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what'd be great? < 1184531366 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i developed different personalities for my nicks < 1184531732 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally don't notice people's personalities on IRC. < 1184531738 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you'd have to be pretty strong with them. < 1184531835 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'd prolly have a looney one and a normal one. < 1184531857 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i notice personalities after a while < 1184531867 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faster irl though. < 1184531871 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks some logs < 1184531941 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been on Sine for what is apparently almost a year. < 1184531959 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still couldn't tell you much of personality. < 1184531975 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could give you Aftran, kaelis and kyevan, I guess. < 1184531994 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and definitely YeTr2. < 1184532004 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :25 people in there right now. < 1184532227 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't tell anything about anyone's personality really, but i'd recognize if someone behaved different than usually, i'm pretty sure < 1184532233 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, in words < 1184532250 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1184532268 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peraps you could leave out te letter H, like I like to do. < 1184532308 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err yes, that's what i mean < 1184532310 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*meant < 1184532319 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a talent of mine < 1184532370 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wat's wat you meant? < 1184532383 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Mm, leaving out te H in "what" looks a little odd.) < 1184532394 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i'd notice if someone started leaving out letters they usually use < 1184532418 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods < 1184532439 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, wat might look bad because it's pronounced differently < 1184532452 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, so it 'te', but it's such a small word < 1184532527 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you also often see people saying "WAT?" wen pretending to be "newbie". < 1184532558 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe some people actually don't know ow to spell "what". < 1184532586 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, doubt that < 1184532621 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wat about "when"? < 1184532727 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know tat Dylan over in Sine doesn't like wen people do stuff like leaving out all teir Hs. < 1184532743 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*all their s < 1184532744 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or H's, or owever you want to write tat.) < 1184532763 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want uberman's to work :( < 1184532770 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general, it's easier to remember a person and tie personality evaluations to that person when I know what they look like < 1184532772 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leave out tat H instead of tat one? < 1184532777 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too, i need a personal trainer for it :< < 1184532777 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: wat's not-working about it? < 1184532778 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use the face as a "primary key" < 1184532790 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: come here, we'll do it together ;) < 1184532790 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Primary? < 1184532792 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope_: i failed when i tryed it < 1184532797 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: failed ow? < 1184532802 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :overslept < 1184532829 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: riiiight, come to finland? < 1184532835 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: alarm clock? < 1184532857 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope_: yeah, and a human < 1184532890 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alarm clock and human and you still failed to wake up? < 1184532922 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I don't know what someone looks like, I tend to cling to my own imaginary versions of people or forum avatars as a "face" < 1184532949 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1184532952 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1184532979 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i (while sleeping) verbally convinced the human (twice) to not wake me up < 1184532993 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good job! < 1184533013 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sleepwalking? < 1184533033 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for many years < 1184533092 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you call that, then? < 1184533165 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1184533189 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a desperate-for-sleep subconscious? < 1184533219 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That phenomenon of talking while asleep? < 1184533507 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: while i am always serious when proposing stuff like that, it's often better to think of them as jokes < 1184533531 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd go to finland < 1184533548 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can accommodate you if you come. < 1184534412 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat, ditto < 1184534432 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat, my brain reads forum posts as a short movie starring the person's avatar < 1184534441 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah- definitely < 1184534450 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently tat penomenon is indeed someting separate from sleepwalking. < 1184534462 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe not, but Wikipedia as a separate article on it. < 1184534467 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people without avatars have their "user info" block left to the post as the speaker. < 1184534521 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people with consistent opinions or mannerisms to their writing slowly build up the impressions of personalities and cadences, so eventually you can imagine the person there having a debate or conversation with the other forum-goers < 1184534556 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to imagine threads as a bunch of people around a table, with camera cuts between speakers, periodically, and the people acting out emoticons and the like < 1184534609 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host115-89-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1184534618 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I sort of identify people on IRC by their nick lengths and the first letters. < 1184534647 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also easy to remember people when you associate a person with a few specific accomplishments or traits you've identified over time < 1184534663 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes people seem more like individuals than anonymous commentators < 1184534673 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many b, many R, seven o, five i, six l, seven G... < 1184534679 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, indeed. < 1184534708 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood is the bsmnt_bot person, GregorR is the EgoBot person, oklopol is the oklotalk person... < 1184534726 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope is the dude that does stuff. . . < 1184534738 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq is that guy that's totally useless ... < 1184534743 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recognize myself by the fact that I'm me. :-) < 1184534744 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope is that guy that's totally useless ... < 1184534747 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Thanks. -_-' < 1184534748 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat is that guy that's totally useless ... < 1184534751 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of you have a fucking-genius stamp on you. < 1184534760 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool, I'm pikhq and RodgerTheGreat. < 1184534766 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR is that guy that's *really* useless. < 1184534771 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heww yeahs! < 1184534843 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should put together a photogallery or something so we can marvel at one another's ugliness < 1184534843 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm that guy that's that guy. < 1184534846 0 :wooby!n=wooby@cpe-76-50-58-8.buffalo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1184534856 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ that's hard to say < 1184534859 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=) < 1184534860 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: "He's just this guy, you know?" < 1184534866 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i'm the guy that that that's that that guy." < 1184534870 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is the Thnikkaman < 1184534876 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Here comes the Thnikkaman!" < 1184534893 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahoy < 1184534944 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That that is is that that is not is not is that it it is. < 1184535117 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION observs it thundering and lightninging. < 1184535344 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes due to lightning. < 1184535453 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love lightning < 1184535593 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(RodgerTheGreat) we should put together a photogallery or something so we can marvel at one another's ugliness <<< there is one. < 1184535602 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1184535607 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1184535611 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the map in the topic < 1184535620 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1184535622 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gone < 1184535628 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's in the topic anymore < 1184535631 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, there is a thing like that < 1184535635 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: noticed < 1184535641 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try to find it- I'm interested < 1184535648 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess i should've noticed when i saw it taken off. < 1184535707 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: I may be a genius, but I'm still a virgin ;) < 1184535747 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: i'll keep that in mind < 1184535772 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me too. < 1184535773 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what? < 1184535789 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : most of you have a fucking-genius stamp on you. < 1184535810 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: that's what you get for replying long after the fact :-P < 1184535820 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: your pic on that map? ;) < 1184535834 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: Heck no. I'm a paranoid geek. < 1184535849 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paranoid geeks... < 1184535855 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best kinda woman < 1184535855 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, somewhat paranoid. < 1184535860 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you pop one you just can't stop < 1184535866 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: well said < 1184535948 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get a bit paranoid when school is on, in the summer i stay inside, and the paranoia is needless < 1184535975 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can still get you inside < 1184536006 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but i doubt they'd bother the trouble < 1184536018 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never know < 1184536033 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i like being surprised < 1184536074 0 :bsmntbombdood_!i=gavin@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1184536087 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: actually i have no idea what you were referring to with the virginness < 1184536095 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds interesting though, so do explain < 1184536102 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : most of you have a fucking-genius stamp on you. < 1184536112 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1184536114 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't get that < 1184536131 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best jokes are the ones i get on the third hearing < 1184536198 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: correction: "I may be a virgin, but I'm still a genius" < 1184536202 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think positive! < 1184536228 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1184536230 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184536239 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :bsmntbombdood < 1184536283 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :End Of Lightning. < 1184536343 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :End Of Funder. < 1184536365 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1184536367 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this song < 1184536378 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :End of Your Mom. < 1184536474 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so < 1184536502 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: way to break the pattern :( < 1184536504 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither does your mom, but too bad :P < 1184536515 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: I know, I forgot to capitalize of :( < 1184536522 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, back to paper writing. < 1184536535 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gaaaah what's this froooom < 1184536538 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EOYM doesn't even.. mean anything! < 1184536563 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! I didn't realize that! < 1184536753 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh, right, the theme from the fountain < 1184537667 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1184538887 0 :Figs!n=Figs@ip72-220-174-159.sd.sd.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1184538890 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :howdy < 1184538904 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1184538917 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. howdy. < 1184539172 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prods oklopol < 1184539190 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1184539198 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184539206 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello < 1184539217 0 :anschelsc!n=chatzill@ool-44c65ceb.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1184539220 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'i! < 1184539245 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not gonna be here tonite, so do your prodding quick :) < 1184539246 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`id `ou `ver `et `round `o `rying `o `lay `y `ong? < 1184539251 0 :anschelsc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1184539272 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you ever get around to trying to play by long? < 1184539278 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :close, song < 1184539279 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1184539284 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my song < 1184539285 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: i think i played the left hand, but forgot about it :) < 1184539290 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1184539290 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1184539292 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1184539297 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot i was supposed to learn it < 1184539300 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :P < 1184539319 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i promise to do a lot of stuff i actually forget or am too lazy to do :) < 1184539324 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can retry though < 1184539328 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, ok < 1184539330 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i can find it... < 1184539331 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you get a chance :P < 1184539334 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rofl < 1184539347 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still like the part at 3 in the long story < 1184539350 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, actually i can't, i played it straight from the zip i dl < 1184539355 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'d temporarily < 1184539366 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm or not < 1184539371 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have the .zip in temp files? < 1184539373 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err yes < 1184539381 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows keeps everything :P < 1184539385 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might, where are those? :) < 1184539401 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%tmp% < 1184539451 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :often that's C:\DOCUME~1\YOURNAME\LOCALS~1\Temp < 1184539635 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1184539650 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean /Docume/Yourname/Locals/Temp ? < 1184539669 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%tmp% is "No such file or directory" here. ;) < 1184539703 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here too < 1184539712 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm, it works on my machine < 1184539722 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it's %temp% < 1184539743 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sukoshi, no I mean the \'s < 1184539745 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tried that as well < 1184539753 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try going to the path manually < 1184539761 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you are on windows, right?) < 1184539768 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184539771 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1184539772 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows. Whazzat? :D < 1184539775 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184539780 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, go to C < 1184539785 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :open Documents and settings < 1184539792 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :click on your account name < 1184539793 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no /c/ folder. < 1184539794 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: i did search them all already :) < 1184539805 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION larts Sukoshi. < 1184539807 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, wry jokes aside ;) < 1184539814 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: Have you played with Dolphin Smalltalk? < 1184539820 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1184539827 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: I hear it's very nice. < 1184539828 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Click CLick sqreee!? < 1184539836 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ" < 1184539837 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1184539843 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dolphin Smalltalk ;) < 1184539851 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: i promised myself to go read physics @ 1 am < 1184539852 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Click Click Scree? Why I never! < 1184539853 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1184539854 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no time to find it now :| < 1184539860 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1184539864 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll upload it later < 1184539864 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk has clicking involved, yeah. < 1184539877 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUkoshi... don't make me kill my joke :P < 1184539890 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: I don't understand it though ... :P < 1184539899 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smalltalk, like chatting < 1184539901 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GST also has scripting capabilities. < 1184539904 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dolphins chit-chatting < 1184539906 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1184539906 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OHHHHHH < 1184539908 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184539917 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has killed the joke < 1184539924 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never even *think* of conversation when I think about Smalltalk. < 1184539934 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto < 1184539937 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1184539943 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think of Smalltalk. < 1184539952 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In either sense. :p < 1184539954 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the whole point of the language is to send little messages to other objects, isn't it? < 1184539969 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1184539979 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1184539984 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, so that's where the name came from.... < 1184539988 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are synchronous, confusingly < 1184540004 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Smalltalk is quite awesome. < 1184540024 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if that's where ti came from or not, but it makes a hell of a lot of sense :P < 1184540028 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to "messages" in almost everything else, which are asynchronous. < 1184540080 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, you mean there's the possibility of its not having come from the fact that it's about messages? < 1184540126 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope_ -- Alan Kay might have been inspired by talking gnomes for all I know. < 1184540139 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure smalltalk's name has no reason. < 1184540143 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :random letters < 1184540156 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does your name have a reason? < 1184540174 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine? it's a term that was used somewhere < 1184540183 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where? < 1184540184 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not totally random < 1184540186 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but random. < 1184540193 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: long story < 1184540194 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my name is random, but not random. < 1184540197 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The song? < 1184540198 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : :P < 1184540206 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err no :) < 1184540209 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^.^ < 1184540210 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok < 1184540228 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :¬ <- negation! i found it! < 1184540228 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you say you needed to study physics? < 1184540233 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1184540240 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[00:59] ! < 1184540243 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1184540246 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your name is arbitrary? < 1184540259 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is 'you' < 1184540270 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1184540273 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, that's fun to say < 1184540279 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Who is 'you'?" < 1184540281 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1184540283 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol. < 1184540299 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you is oklopol? stop changing nicks on me so much! :P < 1184540307 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I is. < 1184540310 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1184540315 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't you also oklopol? < 1184540323 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope_: quite random, yes < 1184540325 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me isn't also not oklopol? < 1184540349 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't in anyway relate to my personality or anything < 1184540354 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you is also not oklopol. I doesn't know. < 1184540364 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck FIGuring out how my name relates. < 1184540376 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is conworld / substance with an utterly bitter taste < 1184540376 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pff. Figures. < 1184540379 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1184540388 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the meaning of "oklopol"? < 1184540398 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conworld? < 1184540403 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: i assume you like smoking sigarrettes < 1184540406 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1184540407 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Lame Shakespeare reference.) < 1184540407 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cigarrettes < 1184540423 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't smoke. < 1184540432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: i know that's not the reason, but it's a good way to remember your personality < 1184540436 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to have a face on you < 1184540440 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1184540444 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm smokin! < 1184540447 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smokin hot! < 1184540448 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tough guy in a room full of smoke < 1184540458 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...with a cigarrette < 1184540462 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's you, Figs < 1184540467 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1184540468 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o < 1184540471 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? :P < 1184540476 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it :P < 1184540480 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love tobacco <3 < 1184540488 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never smoked it regularly though < 1184540491 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the smell < 1184540492 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1184540496 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't stand the smell of smoke :S < 1184540502 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's 1 am isn't it? < 1184540508 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and car exhaust, you gotta love that as well < 1184540508 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cigarettes smell terrible, but cigars smell good sometimes < 1184540518 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like car exhaust < 1184540520 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: shh, i haven't noticed yet. < 1184540526 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I do like the smell of some types of mold. < 1184540530 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1184540532 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh :) < 1184540538 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in old stairways < 1184540545 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like all smells < 1184540550 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i rarely smell anything < 1184540556 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's only 44 quadratic residues modulo 256 < 1184540559 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always nice to smell something for once < 1184540572 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I smell. < 1184540580 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: you proved that just now? < 1184540583 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(have fun with that one ^.^) < 1184540606 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't prove it < 1184540610 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :double meaning ^.^ < 1184540616 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you google it? < 1184540621 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or guess? < 1184540640 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's one already :O < 1184540644 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tested it 2**16 times < 1184540645 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going now < 1184540647 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is going now < 1184540649 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1184540653 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye oklopol < 1184540658 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is gone < 1184540685 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Smalltalk where $nameslikethis came from? < 1184540717 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1184540721 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just my misreading ;) < 1184540739 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: I think that's a Bourne shell-ism. < 1184540754 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1184540761 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be < 1184540807 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone explain lambda calculus to me in 10 minutes or less? < 1184540815 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the syntax < 1184540850 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The syntax? < 1184540856 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesir < 1184540872 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like \x.(x+1) < 1184540876 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the . mean? < 1184540890 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seperates arguments from function contents. < 1184540900 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you denote multiple args? < 1184540908 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\x.\y.E < 1184540914 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currying. < 1184540939 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The function takes one parameter and returns another function, which takes the other. < 1184540942 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a lambda function can only have one input, basically? < 1184540948 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1184540949 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oki < 1184540951 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ok < 1184540963 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes a hell of a lot of sense really < 1184541005 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reduces the whole bloody issue of having to keep track of the number of args, somewhat < 1184541011 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1184541020 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Well, what do you mean? < 1184541037 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I mean like in C++ < 1184541053 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a etc... < 1184541057 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods < 1184541060 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's only an issue when you can have overloaded functions. < 1184541067 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1184541070 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1184541078 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an issue when you need to store functions < 1184541085 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ab.E is short for \a.\b.E < 1184541113 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lambda '(a b) (E)) is Lisp for \ab.E. :p < 1184541124 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not < 1184541128 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I mean, in C++ if you try to call a 2 var function with 1 var < 1184541131 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just fucks up < 1184541140 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lambda (a b) E) is < 1184541155 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the `? < 1184541157 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1184541173 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, whatever < 1184541183 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care right now :) < 1184541187 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading about smalltalk < 1184541195 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[:x | x+1] < 1184541197 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that < 1184541213 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{x {+ $x 1}} < 1184541223 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1184541238 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tcl. < 1184541241 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1184541263 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[:x | [:y | x+y] ] < 1184541267 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do that in smalltalk? < 1184541337 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally, I would consider that to be a relationship < 1184541341 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but something like < 1184541349 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[:x| foo(x) ] < 1184541366 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not in Smalltalk any more) < 1184541371 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider an 'action' < 1184541376 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's doing something < 1184541388 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actions a program can take are ultimately sequential... < 1184541402 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to imperative programming. < 1184541412 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I'm going the other way < 1184541417 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :towards functional < 1184541432 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a program ultimately evaluates to a list of actions, doesn't it? < 1184541445 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why monads work < 1184541448 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in haskell, etc < 1184541455 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it forces it to be sequential < 1184541471 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :passing whatever it needs along < 1184541478 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did I miss the point? < 1184541506 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I can make a truely grey language < 1184541526 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right in between functional and imperative programming < 1184541610 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call it Plof. < 1184541618 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1184541628 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's an anagram of flop? < 1184541635 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that's the name of that language. < 1184541645 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: scheme! < 1184541671 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like Lisp < 1184541677 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I like the ideas behind it < 1184541685 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't much like the way it's written < 1184541693 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a product of C-like syntax < 1184541795 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anything I'm starting to like Haskell, but its syntax still gives me headaches trying to remember < 1184541834 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes APL syntax!! < 1184541837 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1184541838 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APL? < 1184541868 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catpad.net/michael/APLLife.gif < 1184541875 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APL = Array Programming Language OR A Programming Language < 1184541876 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K = (x,y):{x}; < 1184541876 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'A Programming Language'? < 1184541879 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APL_%28programming_language%29 < 1184541882 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesh < 1184541886 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading < 1184541901 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i particularly like how it is UTTERLY UNREADABLE < 1184541915 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say Plof is, well, functional programming for a C coder. < 1184541922 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, what the bloody fuck! < 1184541926 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1184541932 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-94-136.w86-204.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1184541947 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(∼R∈R∘.×R)/R←1↓⍳R < 1184541954 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prime numbers =D < 1184541960 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find plof < 1184541964 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S = (x,y,z):{x(z,y(z));}; < 1184541972 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.codu.org/plof2/ < 1184542031 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I = (x):{S(K, K, x);}; < 1184542041 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your APL is killing my mind. < 1184542049 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apl is good at that < 1184542069 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the fuck thought it would be a good idea to get rid of the normally type-able symbols? < 1184542084 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't really that < 1184542093 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Hey, I just proved Plof Turing-complete, by way of combinatory logic! < 1184542093 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was that the normally type-able symbols weren't commonly standardized < 1184542098 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it being 1964 and all. < 1184542126 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :orly? < 1184542162 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though the qwerty keyboard was patented in 1868? < 1184542187 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, that's hardly the same thing < 1184542202 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that patent didn't have { or } or @ or # i'd be willing to bet < 1184542210 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < or > or | < 1184542210 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but you neglect things such as the space cadet keyboards. < 1184542225 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apl uses spaces...although sparingly < 1184542248 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/UnderwoodKeyboard.jpg < 1184542276 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1184542297 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... uh, why not just design a language with letters and english punctuation then? < 1184542325 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it have at least : ; " ' , ( ), . ? ! etc < 1184542342 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not enough to represent all apl operators < 1184542345 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it wouldn't be very useful to type on. < 1184542366 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see above < 1184542367 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use words as operators < 1184542378 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it wouldn't be apl < 1184542381 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184542389 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gripping news: some language's designs are not the same as the norm < 1184542404 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crikey! < 1184542409 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184542418 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how many people still use APL? < 1184542442 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a few. < 1184542447 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1184542457 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/24/Index_typewriter.jpg < 1184542512 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's some news for you, keyboards aren't even standard today :) < 1184542526 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you go to parts of europe or asia, they have very different keyboards < 1184542540 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points out C's trigraph system < 1184542558 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it got replaced for good reason :D < 1184542601 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, I guess within certain areas, they are a *bit* more standardized because of the ISO/IEC < 1184542683 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::S < 1184542689 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does the ISO always want my money :( < 1184542695 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jackasses! < 1184542696 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1184542702 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: The trigraph system was never "replaced". < 1184542716 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it's still there if you want to use it... < 1184542717 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just merely been stuck in as of 1989. < 1184542733 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how many people still use it? < 1184542744 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to pay CHF 42 to read a 125 kb document < 1184542752 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same amount that used it when it was added by the ISO standardisation committee: 0. < 1184542773 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note that the original C language didn't have trigraphs at all) < 1184542802 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the number is 0, or I'd have never heard of it < 1184542821 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine. The number is about half of the IOCCC entrants. < 1184542841 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1184542851 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IANAS < 1184542860 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not a statistician! :D < 1184542993 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trigraphs are there for people who are using an EBCDIC < 1184543002 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it deserves the indefinite article) < 1184543041 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/JumpFuck nobody has comments? < 1184543054 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figs: sexps are yummy < 1184543060 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1184543065 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tclexps are love. < 1184543071 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.squidi.net/comic/amd/comic/amd1-018.gif < 1184543076 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got to love that logic :) < 1184543098 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sexps? < 1184543103 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sex-pee! < 1184543107 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::S < 1184543112 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1184543126 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: Want an implementation? < 1184543147 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Sure -- it's not exactly hard to implement, but yeah < 1184543263 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "continuations" are really just jump-points, right? < 1184543275 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do not save any data at all < 1184543293 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: yes they do < 1184543319 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely the tape should not change, bsmntbombdood < 1184543336 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from pre-continuation-call to post-) < 1184543349 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes it useless for functions if you have e.g. a stack used < 1184543361 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but calling a continuation changes the tape < 1184543388 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's useless for functions then < 1184543395 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a data stack, then it'd be trashed < 1184543407 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no... < 1184543416 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to pass the argument as the argument to the continuation < 1184543427 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there not continuations unless they save and restore the tape < 1184543432 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember, cells are unbounded < 1184543445 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a continuation call allows you to pass one cell < 1184543455 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one cell can contain an arbitrary amount of information < 1184543462 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... < 1184543465 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's up to you to pack it of course < 1184543466 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just about < 1184543468 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll bbl < 1184543470 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1184543473 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buhbye < 1184543482 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION disappears into the night < 1184543491 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1184543504 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO the tape should not change < 1184543505 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get exponential runtimes in the size of you data, rather than the cubic and quartic one usually expects from BF < 1184543507 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore jumpfuck continuations are "call/cc complete" < 1184543524 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: what? < 1184543542 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point of & and % is to make compiling into JF easier. having to pack values into a single argument is not easier < 1184543554 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuuuh < 1184543557 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiling into JF from what? < 1184543564 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...scheme? < 1184543564 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are gotos, not continuations then < 1184543574 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :passing an n-bit number to a continuation takes O(2^n) time < 1184543598 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're complaining that a BF variant has efficiency issues? < 1184543608 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doin most things with an n-bit number only takes O(n^3) or O(n^4) time in BF < 1184543612 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, from anything < 1184543621 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :& and % make for very easy functions < 1184543632 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to pass 8 bytes around, you will be waiting forever < 1184543634 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think the current specification is ideal < 1184543640 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can't think of anything better < 1184543650 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: what else would it be? < 1184543658 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a stack of stacks? < 1184543668 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, instead of one cell as an argument, it could pass the entire rest of tape < 1184543676 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, all the cells to the right of the pointer < 1184543687 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and keep only the ones to the left < 1184543689 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a length cell followed by that many data cells? < 1184543697 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: too contrived < 1184543706 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/JumpFuck byebye references to continuations, hello jump points < 1184543712 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: that's something Pascal would have, not Brainfuck :) < 1184543712 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooo < 1184543718 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's stupid if it's just goto < 1184543723 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's useful < 1184543734 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, goto is easy to implement in bf < 1184543737 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: that's lame < 1184543753 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1184543772 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, the amount of hackery required to implement sane functions when the tape gets scrambled is not acceptable < 1184543783 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry? < 1184543797 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about something simpler... < 1184543798 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR did it < 1184543800 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's why i'm not using continuations < 1184543813 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of fucking around with contniuations, just add a second tape < 1184543820 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you wanted brainfuck with continuations... < 1184543832 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I wanted < 1184543832 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes compilation of many things so much simpler < 1184543836 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1184543922 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :continuations are way cool, goto is just bleh < 1184543981 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and worrying about speed isn't for brainfuckers