< 1185235201 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was dis-suspecting the existance of people that do not have a downside. < 1185235223 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dis-what? < 1185235225 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: see my earlier analogy between Evolution and a 3-year-old < 1185235240 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that I don't think it happens often if at all. < 1185235278 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :were there any claims that it happens often? < 1185235279 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"breaking something helps fitness" <<< what does that mean? < 1185235293 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: i've ever only heard of autistic savants < 1185235301 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Then you suck. < 1185235305 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a quickly changing society, evolution acts toward a moving target. < 1185235325 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore improving mutations can be more frequent. < 1185235380 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: in general, things tend to have downsides < 1185235383 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1185235384 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't savant just another word for genius? < 1185235403 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: almost < 1185235430 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a contraction of a longer term < 1185235442 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Example: turning off a brain area, thorough stroke or TCMS, can improve performence at some tasks. < 1185235449 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Savant is a word that shouldn't be applied to "autistic". . . There's a lot of savants, and a lot of autistics, but really, there's not as much overlap as you'd think. . . < 1185235472 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what do we call the overlap? < 1185235482 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Autistic savants. < 1185235484 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that someone is both < 1185235488 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1185235493 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the intersection < 1185235498 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(correct this time? :P) < 1185235501 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1185235510 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Savant Syndrome describes a person having both a severe developmental or mental handicap and extraordinary mental abilities not found in most people. < 1185235522 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"..." < 1185235530 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that cool thing < 1185235604 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autistic_savant < 1185235657 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that [[Savant]] is essentially nothing more than a redirect to [[Autistic savant]] < 1185235672 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's stupid. < 1185235689 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's how the world works. < 1185235707 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: What, that people are stupid? So I've noticed. < 1185235724 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: also, don't confuse your autism with their autism. < 1185235725 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? it is a disambiguation page. do you mean [[Savant syndrome]]? < 1185235752 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's a disambiguation page with only one relevant disambiguation. < 1185235764 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: I don't; I compare their terminology with reality, and their terminology fails to describe reality. < 1185235783 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: by "their" i meant the autistic savants < 1185235787 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1185235801 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ridiculously small subset of autistics. < 1185235824 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, that list in the article may very well be a comprehensive list. . . < 1185235829 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point here is that it _is_ a subset of autistics < 1185235853 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, the set of autistic savants is obviously a subset of the autistics. < 1185235867 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but there doesn't seem to be any other kind of savant that wikipedia knows about < 1185235888 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh, i mispasted and now they are discussing the same subject in #haskell :D < 1185235904 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: of course, it's a bunch of autists in both channels :D < 1185235920 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: The article I'm reading states otherwise. < 1185235925 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw Toxaris gave the link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome < 1185235928 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did reality fork on me or something? < 1185235977 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that link was on this channel a few days a go < 1185235979 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or weeks < 1185235980 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway < 1185235990 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ago < 1185237414 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Special:Lonelypages < 1185237416 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1185237424 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we apparently have a page that doesn't actually exist < 1185237429 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck++ < 1185237533 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i may have created it when i didn't remember ++ was buggy. < 1185237548 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i certainly did for some page < 1185237642 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1185237730 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deleted. < 1185237745 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@209.248.125.179 JOIN :#esoteric < 1185238407 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was 3 less orphaned pages. Not sure what to do about Gandy machine. Is VENIAL actually esoteric? < 1185238453 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"an alternate history BASIC" sounds kinda esoteric < 1185238460 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is it actually a "work in progress"? < 1185238491 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was added this spring < 1185238505 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so give it a few more months < 1185238509 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, he added the page two months ago and never touched it since < 1185238518 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all his edits were in one day < 1185238534 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he will return, or maybe he won't < 1185238548 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however the names sounds familiar, wasn't he a conlanger? < 1185238550 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*name < 1185238586 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i added VENIAL to [[Works in progress]], for now < 1185238717 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less clear what to do with the Gandy machine < 1185238747 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is already under a category, but that doesn't seem to make it non-orphaned < 1185238754 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1185238757 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does the category even fit? < 1185238787 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a computational model. It's a set of restrictions for describing stuff. < 1185238796 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort of a meta-computational model < 1185238877 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, should it belong in {{Computational models}}, and if not, then where? < 1185238902 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it should belong in {{computational models}} < 1185238969 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact the way it's presented right now it is basically off-topic... < 1185239046 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, our computational models category is pretty broad in scope, i think < 1185239108 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1185239128 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what other article belonging to the category is not a computational model in the strict sense? < 1185239146 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to me that a Gandy machine can be described as nested dictionaries. < 1185239230 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those principles seem rather silly without any explanation of what parts can be considered atomic < 1185239378 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't venial just a subset of basic? < 1185239451 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it is meant to be similar, but different < 1185239479 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference other than subsetness? < 1185239495 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wikipedia article proper but several references to Gandy < 1185239500 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except nesting is very avkward in that < 1185239594 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except double my bottom...) < 1185239617 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the syntax is incompatible in several places < 1185239625 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah fecking ZBB is borken still < 1185239630 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, ww < 1185242194 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In OOP ``best practice'', whenever there's a chance for a function to return different types, do you have to implement a container class (AKA union) for it? < 1185242555 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you might have return type be a supertype of the types of the returned things < 1185242582 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be just what she said. . . < 1185242587 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1185242603 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes ... :P < 1185242605 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kind of what a union does. . . < 1185242616 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, inheriting isn't exactly the same as enclosing those in a new class < 1185242617 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*class < 1185242639 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is, then i'd say 'yes' < 1185242639 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'll be returning primitives, so I can't really make a superclass. < 1185242644 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This 'aint Smalltalk, after all. < 1185242656 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there you go, it is not the same. < 1185242675 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having fun with SICP? < 1185242699 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if i have to admit it, i kinda like doing the exercises < 1185242716 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, the few hard ones < 1185242733 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah. < 1185242770 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first part didn't really have that much content, but based on the "contents", 3-> will have. < 1185242821 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi`: how else could you handle returning different types then, may i ask? < 1185243004 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: In this situation, I could do fuding with type conversions to get somewhat different results. < 1185243012 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guess you could do it with accessors, but i doubt you'd even consider that :P < 1185243017 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could, hypothetically but I won't, also return an Object[] :D < 1185243022 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i hope you wouldn't) < 1185243029 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is supertyping < 1185243039 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you told me is exactly what you said. < 1185243044 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but a horrible one. < 1185243048 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... what other ways are there? < 1185243072 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing a class with slots for both and then having an attribute determine the type inside and returning the type based on that? < 1185243076 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just being curious how else that can be done if supertyping and wrapping in a new class are considered the same thing :P < 1185243097 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi`: you told me that was the same thing. < 1185243112 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As? < 1185243114 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(04:01:46) (pikhq) That'd be just what she said. . . < 1185243114 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(04:01:51) (oklofok) really? < 1185243114 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(04:02:07) (Sukoshi`) Yes ... :P < 1185243119 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i misunderstood something < 1185243122 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it *is*. < 1185243122 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do that sometimes. < 1185243145 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not a superclass. < 1185243157 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a supertype. < 1185243190 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if you need speed, you do not have multiple return types < 1185243197 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't, use Double and Integer. < 1185243205 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Character etc. < 1185243257 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1185243326 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, dispite all i just said, making a wrapper is nice because you also know what exactly was returned < 1185243334 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*despite < 1185243357 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1185243367 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably do that, except it's Japanese time in 3 minutes. < 1185243369 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you actually return data that may have no connection, supertyping makes absolutely no sense. < 1185243376 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1185243380 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the types have no connection < 1185243416 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must know your japan < 1185243438 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes *nod* I must. < 1185243445 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everytime i see you your japan time is starting < 1185243446 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1185243447 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzzzzzzz < 1185243451 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wanna < 1185243452 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1185243477 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It starts at this time every day, and goes for about 2-3 hours. < 1185243487 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what time is it? < 1185243489 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heyyy < 1185243490 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctcp < 1185243491 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hihi < 1185243503 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1185243507 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6:15, except according to my watch, and not my machine. < 1185243514 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's actually 6:18. < 1185243518 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1185243519 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather 18:18. < 1185243521 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you aren't american? < 1185243524 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where then? < 1185243530 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(then you can go) < 1185243533 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :California, West Coast. < 1185243535 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1185243538 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1185243539 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18 < 1185243548 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i missed that line < 1185243553 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye, scheme -> < 1185244075 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1185244419 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does scheme have 'or' and 'and' but not 'xor'... am i really the only one who actually finds it useful :| < 1185244480 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone's always bashing xor, even though it has the coolest name of the three < 1185244518 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :listen to it, really, xorr.. (let the 'r' roll a bit) < 1185244520 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xor sux ;) < 1185244524 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehee < 1185244531 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you want are nand or nor < 1185244542 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find use for it as often as for 'or' and 'and' < 1185244545 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err nand (or) nor < 1185244550 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, 'xor' < 1185244566 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nand and not aren't as useful as 'and' and 'or' < 1185244573 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, i know what you are going to say. < 1185244598 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? what am I going to say? :) < 1185244630 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that they can both simulate any of the 16 binary operators < 1185244634 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alone < 1185244639 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume that was your point < 1185244660 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1185244674 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 / 16 are capable of that iirc < 1185244683 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in everyday code, I don't use them, so I understand where you're coming from < 1185244706 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xor is useful very often < 1185244745 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least if you are doing 2 operand ands and ors, xor has about the same amount of uses < 1185244761 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but perhaps i just happen to code weird things < 1185244771 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("xorrrr" listen, really) < 1185244772 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I think so < 1185244781 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hardly ever use it < 1185244816 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1185244822 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it depends on what you mean by and/or < 1185244839 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :&&/|| wins for me .. but &/|/^.. dunno < 1185244839 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could implement it myself... if i knew how macros work < 1185244866 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean logical < 1185244869 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bitwise < 1185244886 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in bitwise logic, they are all used pretty much the same amount < 1185244925 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you set, unset and flip, respectively... and i can't really think of anything else you can do < 1185244939 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1185244945 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not respectively, for i failed. < 1185244948 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway -> < 1185245046 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my use for xor would've been: a rational only needs one sign bit. < 1185245047 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xor. < 1185245388 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i know that's not the most efficient way, but... xor!) < 1185247341 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@c-76-27-232-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1185247349 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1185247732 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, calamari < 1185247979 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: yeah? < 1185247987 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :long time no see < 1185248959 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's new? < 1185249582 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PEBBLE still has no array code. . . < 1185249606 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame you, for no good reason. :p < 1185251135 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1185251135 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1185253205 0 :immibis!n=immibis@125-238-37-9.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1185255118 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=saru@222-154-141-161.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1185256741 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is introspection taxing in Java? < 1185256773 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't want to have to write Yet Another Wrapper over multi-file and single-file torrents. The class hierarchy is getting crazy enough. < 1185256809 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh but ... hmm ... it may be better than generating exceptions when comparing against an Object >_> < 1185257095 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lowest class: IntString (ASCII-ints in an array internally that can yield an int[] or a String on desire), Next level: BencDict, BencList, BencInt, BencString (container formats for the various Bencode types), Next level: abstract BencodeReader (reads one Bencoded value off the wire). Next level: abstract MetainfoReader (reads any Bencoded dict and gives a nice interface to it). Next level: Torrent (contains the info neccessary for t < 1185257095 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :orrent fun) and Scrape (same with the Scrapes). < 1185261291 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immybo will now be using this computer < 1185261297 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :immybo < 1185263798 0 :immybo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :immibis < 1185263999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1185264000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1185265481 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1185265713 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"copying stuff, need to boot into knoppix" < 1185268578 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1185269917 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=saru@222-154-141-161.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1185272848 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night all < 1185272863 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"custom quit messages --> xchat.org <-- hydrairc sucks" < 1185275542 0 :chorinek!i=chori@openprojects.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1185275558 0 :chorinek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1185278889 0 :chorinek!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1185282429 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host115-89-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1185283783 0 :ehird`!n=test@user-514f618c.l4.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1185283829 0 :blahbot`!n=blahbot`@user-514f618c.l4.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1185284031 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone written a wapr program yet? < 1185284077 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%wapr &' < 1185284077 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[0, 1] < 1185284085 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%wapr abc < 1185284085 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[59, 60, 61] < 1185284107 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%wapr abc('# < 1185284108 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1185284188 0 :blahbot`!n=blahbot`@user-514f618c.l4.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1185284213 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%reload < 1185284213 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reloaded. < 1185284215 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%wapr abc('# < 1185284215 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1185284234 0 :blahbot`!n=blahbot`@user-514f618c.l4.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1185284235 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%wapr abc(' < 1185284235 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[59, 60, 61, 2, 1] < 1185284283 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%reload < 1185284283 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reloaded. < 1185284285 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%wapr abc('# < 1185284291 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%quit < 1185284292 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1185284303 0 :blahbot`!n=blahbot`@user-514f618c.l4.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1185284313 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%wapr abc('# < 1185284313 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1185284386 0 :blahbot`!n=blahbot`@user-514f618c.l4.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1185284387 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%reload < 1185284388 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reloaded. < 1185284388 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%wapr abc('# < 1185284389 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[59, 60, nil, 61] < 1185284430 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%reload < 1185284430 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reloaded. < 1185284432 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%wapr abc('# < 1185284432 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[60, 59, 61] < 1185284455 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%wapr & < 1185284455 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[0] < 1185284458 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%wapr &' < 1185284459 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[0, 1] < 1185284462 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%wapr &" < 1185284462 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[0] < 1185284465 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%wapr '" < 1185284465 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[-1] < 1185284474 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%wapr abc'"'# < 1185284474 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[60, 59, 61] < 1185284493 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%wapr abc'"&# < 1185284493 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[60, 61, 59] < 1185284501 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%wapr abc < 1185284501 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[59, 60, 61] < 1185284522 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%reload < 1185284522 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reloaded. < 1185284524 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%wapr abc'"&# < 1185284524 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[60, 61, 59] < 1185284537 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%wapr '" < 1185284537 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[-1] < 1185284541 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%wapr '"'"# < 1185284542 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] < 1185284550 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%wapr abc&'"# < 1185284551 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[59, 60] < 1185284561 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%reloda < 1185284562 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%reloda < 1185284564 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%reload < 1185284564 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reloaded. < 1185284568 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, %wapr is bug free < 1185284576 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first person to write hello world wins somethign :P < 1185284758 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1185284761 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%wapr Hello, world! < 1185284761 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[34, 63, 70, 70, 73, 6, 81, 73] < 1185284763 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does not count < 1185284800 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%wapr ~/$ < 1185284800 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[97] < 1185284808 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's lowercase a :P < 1185289818 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I'm quitting... Bye all" < 1185290324 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1185290994 0 :SimonRC_!n=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1185291054 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1185291069 0 :SimonRC_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :SimonRC < 1185292725 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-109-33.w86-218.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1185293293 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Google recruiter has a disgusting habit. < 1185293300 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She top-posts! < 1185293301 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-{P < 1185293309 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shaves. < 1185293312 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1185293315 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better < 1185294836 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1185295747 0 :ihope__!n=ihope@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1185295768 0 :ihope__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ihope < 1185296302 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone? < 1185296775 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: modern mail clients, probably including gmail, make it really difficult not to :( < 1185297415 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is bearded < 1185298026 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it messes up the order in which people read. < 1185298031 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why shouldn't I top-post? < 1185298412 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: Scheme doesen't want iteration at all, huh? :P < 1185298424 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sp3tt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_posting < 1185298425 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1185298435 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, you silly < 1185298441 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: didn't know it was there < 1185298441 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, read both of his message < 1185298442 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1185298594 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q.E.D. < 1185300427 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Confusing very things makes it, newsgroups in post-top don't please, way the by. < 1185301072 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-054-058.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1185301213 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: really difficult not to top post? < 1185301235 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delete delete page down. < 1185303788 0 :tokigun_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1185303818 0 :tokigun_!n=tokigun@haje8.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1185304587 0 :tokigun_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1185304635 0 :tokigun_!n=tokigun@haje8.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1185304679 0 :test_!n=test@user-514f618c.l4.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1185304857 0 :test__!n=test@user-514f618c.l4.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1185304857 0 :test_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1185304925 0 :test__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%wapr someone should write something in wapr! < 1185304925 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[77, 73, 71, 63, 73, 72, 63, 77, 66, 73, 79, 70, 62, 81, 76, 67, 78, 63, 77, 73, 71, 63, 78, 66, 67, 72, 65, 67, 72, 81] < 1185305266 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1185305447 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-109-33.w86-218.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1185305702 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1185306731 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC is going for a job at google? < 1185307413 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1185307461 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what position? < 1185307473 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :missionary < 1185307489 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1185307971 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that much about the position, unless you're filming it < 1185308171 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell us all about it < 1185308209 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about... what? < 1185308239 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sex? missionary? filming it? < 1185308263 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sex? where did that come from? < 1185308272 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1185308282 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people... < 1185308283 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read between the lines < 1185308346 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed bsmntbombdood stated missionary is boring < 1185308354 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i told him my opinion < 1185308405 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What position is SimonRC going for? < 1185308430 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(See, you can't expect an answer if you don't mention his name. :-P) < 1185309618 0 :test__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC what Simonrc position.. < 1185309907 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host115-89-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1185310214 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test__: hm < 1185310233 0 :test__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simonrc Simonrc Simonrc Simonrc Simonrc Simonrc Simonrc. < 1185310233 0 :test__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1185310245 0 :test__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simon simon rc rc < 1185310263 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actaully irssi only detects the username at the beginning of the line < 1185310274 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless i fiddle something < 1185311037 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1185311221 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/hilight -regex < 1185311235 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow, there's something not all that. . . Satisfying about my hackish implementation of PEBBLE. < 1185311484 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one is pebble? < 1185311518 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The esoteric language which compiles to Brainfuck and C. < 1185311553 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reimplement it in scheme < 1185311830 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood has turned into a broken record, hasn't he? < 1185311845 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi`: do that in scheme < 1185311849 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like Paul Graham - persuasive capability. < 1185311899 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme was great for my start up < 1185312385 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea *how* to reimplement PEBBLE sanely. . . :( < 1185312475 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever i read something, become convinced, and then try to repeat the argument to someone else, it never works < 1185312500 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't even know if his attempt at an EBNF is remotely correct < 1185312507 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how efficient Scheme is ... if everything is a linked list :( < 1185312520 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Scheme has vectors, but no-one seems to use them. < 1185312527 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do < 1185312559 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme was designed for teaching, not for efficient programming :) < 1185312581 0 :test__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1185312583 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Scheme seems to be having more practical progress than CL. < 1185312584 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong < 1185312592 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: No, you're wrong. < 1185312597 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1185312611 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pikhq.nonlogic.org/BNF Could anyone here who knows anything about PEBBLE and EBNF tell me if this is even *close* to correct? < 1185312623 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More innovative, practical applications from a whole bunch of domains are being written in Scheme, no matter that it was academic to begin with. < 1185312642 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Why dispute with the authority of his own language? ;) < 1185312659 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Scheme started as an attempt to understand Carl Hewitt's Actor model" < 1185312668 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi`: What I'm wondering is if my attempt at writing down the syntax actually *describes* the syntax in use. < 1185312684 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh, well, I don't know either much so :P < 1185312709 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While I expounded this in the blog post, in summary, it seems that the hugeness of CL seems to have paralyzed the language as it tries to cope with new changes. < 1185312722 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the community's unwillingness to make changes to the Hyperspec. < 1185312750 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In theory, that notation would accept something like this as valid: command this_is_a_word "This is also a word" {and so is this};new_command < 1185312778 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CL is so ugly compared to scheme < 1185312788 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. Broken record bsmntbombdood. < 1185312803 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You sound like an overzealous Christian missionary. < 1185312820 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should just try and do something that's seperate from the Tcl syntax. . . XD < 1185312870 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or use sexps! < 1185312878 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we stop talking about the missionary < 1185312884 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there're plenty of other great positions < 1185313024 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cowboy! < 1185313427 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1185313441 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-085-016-233-082.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1185313756 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1185315827 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ" < 1185317511 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does one load TinyCLOS in Chicken? < 1185317761 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is in one of the very, very few areas in the US that has actual competition with phone service, broadband, and cable. . . :) < 1185317830 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is also. < 1185317859 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is, sadly, not < 1185317869 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my internet connection is terribly terrible < 1185317908 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i win < 1185317913 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not even IN the US :) < 1185317920 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 bytes from py-in-f99.google.com (64.233.167.99): icmp_seq=1 ttl=245 time=610 ms < 1185318046 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 bytes from yo-in-f99.google.com (64.233.169.99): icmp_seq=1 ttl=240 time=74.5 ms < 1185318058 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was great. < 1185318061 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1185318070 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I exec'd ping, and it started filling up the buffer :P < 1185318130 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 bytes from qb-in-f99.google.com (72.14.205.99): icmp_seq=1 ttl=241 time=98.5 ms < 1185318137 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since your all pinging monopolies, I thought I would too~ < 1185318141 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comcast offers our cable service and broadband for 128.40. . . Falcon Broadband offers better service for $85. . . < 1185318163 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o that's a lot of moneys < 1185318168 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1185318179 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Parents like their HDTV and such. < 1185318191 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We got one of the first internet providers in the area, when they were desperate for providers, and we got DSL for $15/mo. < 1185318211 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bace price here is $20/mo. though. < 1185318231 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: TV is for l4m3r5 :| < 1185318241 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The internet's $24.95/mo ($27.95/mo if you want FTTH). < 1185318268 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unfortunately, they're both at the same speed. However, FTTH has that as the starting speed, rathet than the only speed.) < 1185318269 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. You call that competition? :P < 1185318281 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi`: Compared to $49.95, yeah. < 1185318287 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see who can rob you blind more! < 1185318312 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi`: What speed do you get on that DSL link? < 1185318331 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 1 MBit down. < 1185318349 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our up sucks though. < 1185318361 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 MBit down here. . . And, should we be merely willing to pay for it, we can get (last I checked) up to 100 Mbit down. . . < 1185318386 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google should use this logo on jpeg's birthday: http://image.bayimg.com/gaeedaabh.jpg < 1185318388 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could go higher ... but we didn't want to. < 1185318398 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: O.o < 1185318409 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My parents like a big house more than a big HDTV or a big internet pipe. < 1185318418 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm not a gamer, so I could care less anyways. < 1185318427 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've got a fairly large house, and HDTV, and a decent internet pipe. . . < 1185318435 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've got a rich house :P < 1185318456 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a hill, in a gated community, and all the fancy stuffs that come with it. < 1185318464 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gar, gated communitys < 1185318467 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Country clubs included, dinners, yada yada yada. < 1185318504 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi`: I'm sorry, but that would literally make me go insane. < 1185318511 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yuppie < 1185318514 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, "go berserk and stab someone". < 1185318528 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't frankly care about most of it *shrug*. < 1185318531 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like american psycho! < 1185318543 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I prefer a country club to HDTV. < 1185318552 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no need to watch Fear Factor in HD, I'm sorry. < 1185318558 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't give a flying fuck. < 1185318568 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd rather have a fat pipe than a tv < 1185318571 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want a 100Mbps internet link, and we'll call that my TV set. < 1185318579 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fat pipe full of moroccan hash < 1185318589 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a nice porno in HD < 1185318589 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't mind a fatter pipe, but I don't really need one. < 1185318612 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I have another 100 MBit machine doing all my torrenting for me elsewhere (loaned by a friend), I just download to this box at leisure ... < 1185318612 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really *need* Internet access. I can live without it. :p < 1185318646 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi`: that won't get you things any faster... < 1185318665 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Yeah, but I can let that torrent away all day and it won't chew up anything I'm doing. < 1185318669 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I torrent a lot, so. < 1185318697 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :likes her prawns < 1185318762 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I program, I do EE work, I study Japanese, I practice Kanji charts, I watch anime. I very rarely need the fat pipes anyhow. < 1185318788 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do homework too, of course. And study for exams. < 1185318810 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I leave the fat pipes to the realm of the boasters and the gamers, personally. < 1185318820 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I program, I browse the Internet, I read. < 1185318835 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I fit that in around homework during the school year. < 1185318859 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I watch maybe an hour of TV a month. < 1185318862 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, reading I do too. Browsing only occasionally, because it soaks up lots of time usable for more fun things. < 1185318903 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grrr. This week's Nanoha LQ is a day late. < 1185318904 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ride a bike, smoke pot with friends and play drums on the beach. < 1185318942 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*envy* < 1185318953 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cazador 17 for the win. < 1185319286 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? < 1185319287 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never tried pot :< < 1185319729 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've also never played drums on the beach, but beaches are overrated anyway < 1185319749 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i do like to ride my bike < 1185319796 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: especially in our northern parts < 1185319818 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i suppose finnish beaches aren't much fun most of the year < 1185319836 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor Vancouver beaches, of course, but the ocean gets swimmable for a few weeks in the summer < 1185319852 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i like those < 1185319926 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cold and cruel, as water ought to be < 1185319943 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: oerjan is nowegian, biiig difference ;) < 1185319949 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*norwegian < 1185319971 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually Trondheim is a bit north of both Helsinki and Turku, which are almost on line with Oslo < 1185319974 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you could just approximate we both live in ikealand < 1185320014 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: told that to me or lament? < 1185320027 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to anyone who cares to listen < 1185320029 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1185320038 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew that already < 1185320044 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though didn't know you lived there < 1185320051 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't know that now either really) < 1185320058 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :confusing finland and sweden would be rather odd < 1185320075 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, but it happens < 1185320087 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plenty of ikea in norway too < 1185320114 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stereotypic foreigner says: "Norway? Isn't that the capital of Sweden?" < 1185320148 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought norway was the evil agressor from whom sweden is finally independent < 1185320176 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was in germany, most ppl thought finnish and swedish are almost the same language. < 1185320192 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: hm, i think we _can_ get pretty agressive if you make such statements :D < 1185320250 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one guy listened to finntroll, a finnish band that sings in swedish... he said he likes how finnish sounds, so i told him that's swedish, not finnish... he said he can't hear the difference < 1185320278 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's understandable, but if you know both those languages, that's quite funny :P < 1185320330 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do sort of sound similar, i think :) < 1185320346 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they shouldn't :P < 1185320353 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pronunciation is in no way similar < 1185320365 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and vocabulary is pretty much completely different < 1185320406 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1185320456 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, don't they have a similar vowel inventory? < 1185320468 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1185320476 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are the front rounded vowels, of course < 1185320485 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar maybe < 1185320485 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i mainly meant those < 1185320494 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: that's what i said :) < 1185320502 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, yes, sorry :P < 1185320507 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are also in the other scandinavian languages, german, hungarian... < 1185320508 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what i meant. < 1185320552 0 :c|p!n=wil@unaffiliated/cp/x-000001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1185320557 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :germanic + finno-ugric, basically < 1185320570 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right, which is why they all would sound rather similar to, say, an american :) < 1185320580 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1185320587 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english has front rounded vowels < 1185320600 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and turkish, which i _do_ think sounds a bit similar to hungarian < 1185320613 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english is very different < 1185320620 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english vowels tend to come in weird dipthongs < 1185320621 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1185320628 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: it does? < 1185320650 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English is the one that went out and stole many languages' vocabulary. . . < 1185320651 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ö - the, ä - that, y - hmm < 1185320652 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't both turkish and hungarian have vowel harmony? < 1185320656 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense. ;) < 1185320676 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish has vowel harmony < 1185320683 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ä isn't really rounded, or fronted < 1185320684 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i know what that is :P < 1185320689 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: that doesn't look like any english i know... < 1185320719 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, finnish has vowel harmony, which is why i'm guessing hungarian has it too < 1185320727 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish "ö" is the "e" in "the", "ä" is the same as in "that" < 1185320731 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the sound in "the" is pretty much right in the middle, i think < 1185320735 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: no < 1185320743 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: yes < 1185320745 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: your english pronunciation is terrible :) < 1185320755 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so < 1185320763 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i seem to remember for charts) < 1185320763 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :native people have thought i'm native < 1185320766 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*from < 1185320774 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay, one.) < 1185320783 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get a microphone and record it. < 1185320796 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the e in the is a shwa (unless it's just an e) < 1185320836 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think english has many _middle_ vowels, which sound fronted to a scandinavian < 1185320874 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All non-native English speakers are being requested to record yourselves speaking English. < 1185320879 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to see how bad it is. :p < 1185320900 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is lucky not to have a microphone. < 1185320928 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1185320930 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1185320950 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hands oerjan a microphone :p < 1185320983 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i know, is that when i was visiting Australia, someone said we norwegians sounded so american it wasn't even funny < 1185321007 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION still doesn't believe you < 1185321008 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(those in our group) < 1185321028 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1185321035 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sound pretty terrible in any language < 1185321043 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess i can give you a short example :P < 1185321046 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including finnish, i take < 1185321062 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to wikipedia, out of finnihs y/umlauted a/umlauted o, english only has the umlauted a < 1185321129 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, okay, in some words the finnish "ö" doesn't sound like the one in "the" < 1185321141 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i speak fast it gets more "front" < 1185321146 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in finnish i mean < 1185321158 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i assume i pronounce *that* correctly) < 1185321162 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, because the english one is not frontal at all < 1185321170 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1185321174 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english vowels tend to be lazy < 1185321178 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :frontal isn't lazy :) < 1185321197 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i agree, "yes" could mean anything < 1185321276 0 :trepliev!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1185321297 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i recorded something, i can give it to you if you promise not just to listen yourself :P < 1185321304 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-not < 1185321324 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Um, huh? < 1185321334 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pikhq) All non-native English speakers are being requested to record yourselves speaking English. < 1185321341 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1185321343 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1185321357 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does what he's told :\ < 1185321425 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: do you really want it? < 1185321428 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while you're at it, record yourself speaking Russian, too. < 1185321442 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wish i could < 1185321444 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nyet! < 1185321453 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Mostly just kidding, but sure. < 1185321499 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks he is pretty good on the palatalized consonants, since his dialect has such. < 1185321531 0 :trepliev!i=trepliev@static-ip-62-75-255-125.inaddr.intergenia.de JOIN :#esoteric