00:00:01 <SimonRC> I was dis-suspecting the existance of people that do not have a downside.
00:00:25 <SimonRC> lament: see my earlier analogy between Evolution and a 3-year-old
00:00:40 <SimonRC> I mean that I don't think it happens often if at all.
00:01:18 <lament> were there any claims that it happens often?
00:01:19 <oklofok> "breaking something helps fitness" <<< what does that mean?
00:01:33 <lament> SimonRC: i've ever only heard of autistic savants
00:01:41 <pikhq> lament: Then you suck.
00:01:45 <oerjan> in a quickly changing society, evolution acts toward a moving target.
00:02:05 <oerjan> therefore improving mutations can be more frequent.
00:03:00 <lament> SimonRC: in general, things tend to have downsides
00:03:04 <oklofok> isn't savant just another word for genius?
00:03:50 <oerjan> it's a contraction of a longer term
00:04:02 <SimonRC> oklofok: Example: turning off a brain area, thorough stroke or TCMS, can improve performence at some tasks.
00:04:09 <pikhq> Savant is a word that shouldn't be applied to "autistic". . . There's a lot of savants, and a lot of autistics, but really, there's not as much overlap as you'd think. . .
00:04:32 <SimonRC> so what do we call the overlap?
00:05:10 <oerjan> Savant Syndrome describes a person having both a severe developmental or mental handicap and extraordinary mental abilities not found in most people.
00:06:44 <oerjan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autistic_savant
00:07:37 <lament> note that [[Savant]] is essentially nothing more than a redirect to [[Autistic savant]]
00:08:09 <lament> pikhq: it's how the world works.
00:08:27 <pikhq> lament: What, that people are stupid? So I've noticed.
00:08:44 <lament> pikhq: also, don't confuse your autism with their autism.
00:08:45 <oerjan> huh? it is a disambiguation page. do you mean [[Savant syndrome]]?
00:09:12 <lament> oerjan: it's a disambiguation page with only one relevant disambiguation.
00:09:24 <pikhq> lament: I don't; I compare their terminology with reality, and their terminology fails to describe reality.
00:09:43 <lament> pikhq: by "their" i meant the autistic savants
00:10:01 <pikhq> Ridiculously small subset of autistics.
00:10:24 <pikhq> I mean, that list in the article may very well be a comprehensive list. . .
00:10:29 <lament> the point here is that it _is_ a subset of autistics
00:10:53 <pikhq> Well, yes, the set of autistic savants is obviously a subset of the autistics.
00:11:07 <lament> yeah, but there doesn't seem to be any other kind of savant that wikipedia knows about
00:11:28 <oerjan> sheesh, i mispasted and now they are discussing the same subject in #haskell :D
00:11:44 <lament> oerjan: of course, it's a bunch of autists in both channels :D
00:12:00 <pikhq> lament: The article I'm reading states otherwise.
00:12:05 <oerjan> btw Toxaris gave the link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome
00:12:08 <pikhq> Did reality fork on me or something?
00:12:57 <oklofok> that link was on this channel a few days a go
00:36:54 <lament> http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Special:Lonelypages
00:37:04 <lament> we apparently have a page that doesn't actually exist
00:38:53 <oerjan> i think i may have created it when i didn't remember ++ was buggy.
00:39:08 <oerjan> i certainly did for some page
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00:53:27 <oerjan> that was 3 less orphaned pages. Not sure what to do about Gandy machine. Is VENIAL actually esoteric?
00:54:13 <lament> "an alternate history BASIC" sounds kinda esoteric
00:54:20 <lament> but is it actually a "work in progress"?
00:54:51 <oerjan> well it was added this spring
00:55:05 <oerjan> so give it a few more months
00:55:09 <lament> right, he added the page two months ago and never touched it since
00:55:18 <lament> and all his edits were in one day
00:55:34 <lament> maybe he will return, or maybe he won't
00:55:48 <oerjan> however the names sounds familiar, wasn't he a conlanger?
00:56:26 <lament> i added VENIAL to [[Works in progress]], for now
00:58:37 <lament> less clear what to do with the Gandy machine
00:59:07 <oerjan> it is already under a category, but that doesn't seem to make it non-orphaned
00:59:17 <lament> but does the category even fit?
00:59:47 <lament> it's not a computational model. It's a set of restrictions for describing stuff.
00:59:56 <oerjan> it's sort of a meta-computational model
01:01:17 <lament> so, should it belong in {{Computational models}}, and if not, then where?
01:01:42 <lament> I don't think it should belong in {{computational models}}
01:02:49 <lament> in fact the way it's presented right now it is basically off-topic...
01:04:06 <oerjan> well, our computational models category is pretty broad in scope, i think
01:05:28 <lament> what other article belonging to the category is not a computational model in the strict sense?
01:05:46 <oerjan> it seems to me that a Gandy machine can be described as nested dictionaries.
01:07:10 <lament> those principles seem rather silly without any explanation of what parts can be considered atomic
01:09:38 <oklofok> isn't venial just a subset of basic?
01:10:51 <oerjan> i think it is meant to be similar, but different
01:11:19 <oklofok> what's the difference other than subsetness?
01:11:35 <oerjan> no wikipedia article proper but several references to Gandy
01:11:40 <oklofok> except nesting is very avkward in that
01:13:14 <oklofok> (except double my bottom...)
01:13:37 <oerjan> the syntax is incompatible in several places
01:13:45 <SimonRC> gah fecking ZBB is borken still
01:56:34 <Sukoshi`> In OOP ``best practice'', whenever there's a chance for a function to return different types, do you have to implement a container class (AKA union) for it?
02:02:35 <oklofok> well, you might have return type be a supertype of the types of the returned things
02:03:02 <pikhq> That'd be just what she said. . .
02:03:25 <pikhq> That's kind of what a union does. . .
02:03:36 <oklofok> well, inheriting isn't exactly the same as enclosing those in a new class
02:03:59 <oklofok> if it is, then i'd say 'yes'
02:03:59 <Sukoshi`> Well, I'll be returning primitives, so I can't really make a superclass.
02:04:04 <Sukoshi`> This 'aint Smalltalk, after all.
02:04:16 <oklofok> well, there you go, it is not the same.
02:04:59 <oklofok> well, if i have to admit it, i kinda like doing the exercises
02:06:10 <oklofok> the first part didn't really have that much content, but based on the "contents", 3-> will have.
02:07:01 <oklofok> Sukoshi`: how else could you handle returning different types then, may i ask?
02:10:04 <Sukoshi`> oklofok: In this situation, I could do fuding with type conversions to get somewhat different results.
02:10:12 <oklofok> well, i guess you could do it with accessors, but i doubt you'd even consider that :P
02:10:17 <Sukoshi`> I could, hypothetically but I won't, also return an Object[] :D
02:10:39 <oklofok> which you told me is exactly what you said.
02:10:48 <oklofok> so... what other ways are there?
02:11:12 <Sukoshi`> Writing a class with slots for both and then having an attribute determine the type inside and returning the type based on that?
02:11:16 <oklofok> i'm just being curious how else that can be done if supertyping and wrapping in a new class are considered the same thing :P
02:11:37 <oklofok> Sukoshi`: you told me that was the same thing.
02:11:54 <oklofok> (04:01:46) (pikhq) That'd be just what she said. . .
02:11:54 <oklofok> (04:01:51) (oklofok) really?
02:11:54 <oklofok> (04:02:07) (Sukoshi`) Yes ... :P
02:11:59 <oklofok> i guess i misunderstood something
02:13:10 <oklofok> anyway, if you need speed, you do not have multiple return types
02:13:17 <oklofok> if you don't, use Double and Integer.
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02:15:26 <oklofok> anyway, dispite all i just said, making a wrapper is nice because you also know what exactly was returned
02:16:07 <Sukoshi`> I'll probably do that, except it's Japanese time in 3 minutes.
02:16:09 <oklofok> if you actually return data that may have no connection, supertyping makes absolutely no sense.
02:16:20 <oklofok> the types have no connection
02:17:25 <oklofok> everytime i see you your japan time is starting
02:17:57 <Sukoshi`> It starts at this time every day, and goes for about 2-3 hours.
02:18:27 <Sukoshi`> 6:15, except according to my watch, and not my machine.
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02:33:39 <oklofok> why does scheme have 'or' and 'and' but not 'xor'... am i really the only one who actually finds it useful :|
02:34:40 <oklofok> everyone's always bashing xor, even though it has the coolest name of the three
02:35:18 <oklofok> listen to it, really, xorr.. (let the 'r' roll a bit)
02:35:42 <oklofok> i find use for it as often as for 'or' and 'and'
02:36:06 <oklofok> nand and not aren't as useful as 'and' and 'or'
02:36:13 <oklofok> and yes, i know what you are going to say.
02:36:38 <calamari> oh? what am I going to say? :)
02:37:10 <oklofok> that they can both simulate any of the 16 binary operators
02:37:19 <oklofok> i assume that was your point
02:37:54 <oklofok> 4 / 16 are capable of that iirc
02:38:03 <calamari> but in everyday code, I don't use them, so I understand where you're coming from
02:39:05 <oklofok> at least if you are doing 2 operand ands and ors, xor has about the same amount of uses
02:39:21 <oklofok> but perhaps i just happen to code weird things
02:40:22 <calamari> but it depends on what you mean by and/or
02:40:39 <calamari> &&/|| wins for me .. but &/|/^.. dunno
02:40:39 <oklofok> i could implement it myself... if i knew how macros work
02:41:26 <oklofok> in bitwise logic, they are all used pretty much the same amount
02:42:05 <oklofok> because you set, unset and flip, respectively... and i can't really think of anything else you can do
02:42:25 <oklofok> not respectively, for i failed.
02:44:06 <oklofok> my use for xor would've been: a rational only needs one sign bit.
02:49:48 <oklofok> (i know that's not the most efficient way, but... xor!)
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03:59:42 <pikhq> PEBBLE still has no array code. . .
04:00:06 <pikhq> I blame you, for no good reason. :p
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05:59:01 <Sukoshi`> Is introspection taxing in Java?
05:59:33 <Sukoshi`> I really don't want to have to write Yet Another Wrapper over multi-file and single-file torrents. The class hierarchy is getting crazy enough.
06:00:09 <Sukoshi`> Oh but ... hmm ... it may be better than generating exceptions when comparing against an Object >_>
06:04:55 <Sukoshi`> Lowest class: IntString (ASCII-ints in an array internally that can yield an int[] or a String on desire), Next level: BencDict, BencList, BencInt, BencString (container formats for the various Bencode types), Next level: abstract BencodeReader (reads one Bencoded value off the wire). Next level: abstract MetainfoReader (reads any Bencoded dict and gives a nice interface to it). Next level: Torrent (contains the info neccessary for t
06:04:55 <Sukoshi`> orrent fun) and Scrape (same with the Scrapes).
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13:33:51 <ehird`> anyone written a wapr program yet?
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13:42:56 <ehird`> first person to write hello world wins somethign :P
13:46:01 <blahbot`> [34, 63, 70, 70, 73, 6, 81, 73]
13:46:48 <ehird`> well there's lowercase a :P
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16:08:13 <SimonRC> My Google recruiter has a disgusting habit.
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17:06:15 <lament> SimonRC: modern mail clients, probably including gmail, make it really difficult not to :(
17:27:06 <sp3tt> Because it messes up the order in which people read.
17:27:11 <sp3tt> Why shouldn't I top-post?
17:33:32 <Sukoshi`> ehird`: Scheme doesen't want iteration at all, huh? :P
17:33:44 <lament> sp3tt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_posting
17:34:01 <sp3tt> lament: didn't know it was there
17:34:01 <ehird`> lament, read both of his message
18:07:07 <GregorR> Confusing very things makes it, newsgroups in post-top don't please, way the by.
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18:20:13 <ihope> lament: really difficult not to top post?
18:20:35 <ihope> Delete delete page down.
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19:22:05 <test__> %wapr someone should write something in wapr!
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20:12:51 <oklofok> it's not that much about the position, unless you're filming it
20:17:19 <oklofok> sex? missionary? filming it?
20:17:43 <lament> sex? where did that come from?
20:19:06 <oklofok> i assumed bsmntbombdood stated missionary is boring
20:20:05 <ihope> What position is SimonRC going for?
20:20:30 <ihope> (See, you can't expect an answer if you don't mention his name. :-P)
20:40:18 <test__> SimonRC what Simonrc position..
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20:50:33 <test__> Simonrc Simonrc Simonrc Simonrc Simonrc Simonrc Simonrc.
20:51:03 <SimonRC> Actaully irssi only detects the username at the beginning of the line
21:07:15 <pikhq> Somehow, there's something not all that. . . Satisfying about my hackish implementation of PEBBLE.
21:11:58 <pikhq> The esoteric language which compiles to Brainfuck and C.
21:17:10 <Sukoshi`> bsmntbombdood has turned into a broken record, hasn't he?
21:17:29 <Sukoshi`> More like Paul Graham - persuasive capability.
21:26:25 * pikhq has no idea *how* to reimplement PEBBLE sanely. . . :(
21:27:55 <bsmntbombdood> whenever i read something, become convinced, and then try to repeat the argument to someone else, it never works
21:28:20 * pikhq doesn't even know if his attempt at an EBNF is remotely correct
21:28:27 <Sukoshi`> I wonder how efficient Scheme is ... if everything is a linked list :(
21:28:40 <Sukoshi`> Well, Scheme has vectors, but no-one seems to use them.
21:29:19 <lament> scheme was designed for teaching, not for efficient programming :)
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21:29:43 <Sukoshi`> But Scheme seems to be having more practical progress than CL.
21:29:52 <Sukoshi`> bsmntbombdood: No, you're wrong.
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21:30:11 <pikhq> http://pikhq.nonlogic.org/BNF Could anyone here who knows anything about PEBBLE and EBNF tell me if this is even *close* to correct?
21:30:23 <Sukoshi`> More innovative, practical applications from a whole bunch of domains are being written in Scheme, no matter that it was academic to begin with.
21:30:42 <Sukoshi`> pikhq: Why dispute with the authority of his own language? ;)
21:30:59 <bsmntbombdood> "Scheme started as an attempt to understand Carl Hewitt's Actor model"
21:31:08 <pikhq> Sukoshi`: What I'm wondering is if my attempt at writing down the syntax actually *describes* the syntax in use.
21:31:24 <Sukoshi`> pikhq: Oh, well, I don't know either much so :P
21:31:49 <Sukoshi`> While I expounded this in the blog post, in summary, it seems that the hugeness of CL seems to have paralyzed the language as it tries to cope with new changes.
21:32:02 <Sukoshi`> And the community's unwillingness to make changes to the Hyperspec.
21:32:30 <pikhq> In theory, that notation would accept something like this as valid: command this_is_a_word "This is also a word" {and so is this};new_command
21:33:08 <Sukoshi`> Ugh. Broken record bsmntbombdood.
21:33:23 <Sukoshi`> You sound like an overzealous Christian missionary.
21:33:40 <pikhq> Maybe I should just try and do something that's seperate from the Tcl syntax. . . XD
21:34:38 <lament> can we stop talking about the missionary
21:34:44 <lament> there're plenty of other great positions
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22:51:51 <Sukoshi`> How does one load TinyCLOS in Chicken?
22:56:01 * pikhq is in one of the very, very few areas in the US that has actual competition with phone service, broadband, and cable. . . :)
22:58:33 <lament> i'm not even IN the US :)
22:58:40 <bsmntbombdood> 64 bytes from py-in-f99.google.com (64.233.167.99): icmp_seq=1 ttl=245 time=610 ms
23:00:46 <pikhq> 64 bytes from yo-in-f99.google.com (64.233.169.99): icmp_seq=1 ttl=240 time=74.5 ms
23:01:10 <Sukoshi`> I exec'd ping, and it started filling up the buffer :P
23:02:10 <Sukoshi`> 64 bytes from qb-in-f99.google.com (72.14.205.99): icmp_seq=1 ttl=241 time=98.5 ms
23:02:17 <Sukoshi`> Since your all pinging monopolies, I thought I would too~
23:02:21 <pikhq> Comcast offers our cable service and broadband for 128.40. . . Falcon Broadband offers better service for $85. . .
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23:02:59 <pikhq> bsmntbombdood: Parents like their HDTV and such.
23:03:11 <Sukoshi`> We got one of the first internet providers in the area, when they were desperate for providers, and we got DSL for $15/mo.
23:03:31 <Sukoshi`> The bace price here is $20/mo. though.
23:04:01 <pikhq> The internet's $24.95/mo ($27.95/mo if you want FTTH).
23:04:28 <pikhq> (unfortunately, they're both at the same speed. However, FTTH has that as the starting speed, rathet than the only speed.)
23:04:29 <Sukoshi`> Wow. You call that competition? :P
23:04:41 <pikhq> Sukoshi`: Compared to $49.95, yeah.
23:04:47 <Sukoshi`> Let's see who can rob you blind more!
23:05:12 <pikhq> Sukoshi`: What speed do you get on that DSL link?
23:06:01 <pikhq> 6 MBit down here. . . And, should we be merely willing to pay for it, we can get (last I checked) up to 100 Mbit down. . .
23:06:26 <bsmntbombdood> google should use this logo on jpeg's birthday: http://image.bayimg.com/gaeedaabh.jpg
23:06:28 <Sukoshi`> We could go higher ... but we didn't want to.
23:06:49 <Sukoshi`> My parents like a big house more than a big HDTV or a big internet pipe.
23:06:58 <Sukoshi`> And I'm not a gamer, so I could care less anyways.
23:07:07 <pikhq> We've got a fairly large house, and HDTV, and a decent internet pipe. . .
23:07:36 <Sukoshi`> On a hill, in a gated community, and all the fancy stuffs that come with it.
23:07:47 <Sukoshi`> Country clubs included, dinners, yada yada yada.
23:08:24 <pikhq> Sukoshi`: I'm sorry, but that would literally make me go insane.
23:08:34 <pikhq> I mean, "go berserk and stab someone".
23:08:48 <Sukoshi`> I don't frankly care about most of it *shrug*.
23:09:03 <Sukoshi`> But I prefer a country club to HDTV.
23:09:12 <Sukoshi`> I have no need to watch Fear Factor in HD, I'm sorry.
23:09:18 <pikhq> I don't give a flying fuck.
23:09:31 <pikhq> I just want a 100Mbps internet link, and we'll call that my TV set.
23:09:39 <lament> a fat pipe full of moroccan hash
23:09:49 <lament> and a nice porno in HD
23:09:49 <Sukoshi`> I wouldn't mind a fatter pipe, but I don't really need one.
23:10:12 <Sukoshi`> Since I have another 100 MBit machine doing all my torrenting for me elsewhere (loaned by a friend), I just download to this box at leisure ...
23:10:12 <pikhq> I don't really *need* Internet access. I can live without it. :p
23:11:05 <Sukoshi`> bsmntbombdood: Yeah, but I can let that torrent away all day and it won't chew up anything I'm doing.
23:12:42 <Sukoshi`> I program, I do EE work, I study Japanese, I practice Kanji charts, I watch anime. I very rarely need the fat pipes anyhow.
23:13:08 <Sukoshi`> I do homework too, of course. And study for exams.
23:13:30 <Sukoshi`> I leave the fat pipes to the realm of the boasters and the gamers, personally.
23:13:40 <pikhq> I program, I browse the Internet, I read.
23:13:55 <pikhq> And I fit that in around homework during the school year.
23:14:19 <pikhq> And I watch maybe an hour of TV a month.
23:14:22 <Sukoshi`> Well, reading I do too. Browsing only occasionally, because it soaks up lots of time usable for more fun things.
23:15:03 <Sukoshi`> Grrr. This week's Nanoha LQ is a day late.
23:15:04 <lament> i ride a bike, smoke pot with friends and play drums on the beach.
23:28:49 <oklofok> i've also never played drums on the beach, but beaches are overrated anyway
23:29:56 <oerjan> oklofok: especially in our northern parts
23:30:18 <lament> yeah, i suppose finnish beaches aren't much fun most of the year
23:30:36 <lament> nor Vancouver beaches, of course, but the ocean gets swimmable for a few weeks in the summer
23:32:06 <oklofok> cold and cruel, as water ought to be
23:32:23 <oklofok> lament: oerjan is nowegian, biiig difference ;)
23:32:51 <oerjan> actually Trondheim is a bit north of both Helsinki and Turku, which are almost on line with Oslo
23:32:54 <oklofok> i guess you could just approximate we both live in ikealand
23:33:34 <oklofok> oerjan: told that to me or lament?
23:33:47 <oerjan> to anyone who cares to listen
23:34:04 <oklofok> though didn't know you lived there
23:34:11 <oklofok> (don't know that now either really)
23:34:18 <lament> confusing finland and sweden would be rather odd
23:34:47 <oerjan> plenty of ikea in norway too
23:35:14 <oerjan> the stereotypic foreigner says: "Norway? Isn't that the capital of Sweden?"
23:35:48 <lament> i thought norway was the evil agressor from whom sweden is finally independent
23:36:16 <oklofok> when i was in germany, most ppl thought finnish and swedish are almost the same language.
23:36:32 <oerjan> lament: hm, i think we _can_ get pretty agressive if you make such statements :D
23:37:30 <oklofok> this one guy listened to finntroll, a finnish band that sings in swedish... he said he likes how finnish sounds, so i told him that's swedish, not finnish... he said he can't hear the difference
23:37:58 <oklofok> i guess that's understandable, but if you know both those languages, that's quite funny :P
23:38:50 <lament> they do sort of sound similar, i think :)
23:39:13 <oklofok> the pronunciation is in no way similar
23:39:25 <oklofok> and vocabulary is pretty much completely different
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23:40:56 <lament> well, don't they have a similar vowel inventory?
23:41:16 <oerjan> there are the front rounded vowels, of course
23:41:25 <lament> yeah, i mainly meant those
23:41:34 <lament> oklofok: that's what i said :)
23:41:47 <oerjan> which are also in the other scandinavian languages, german, hungarian...
23:41:48 <oklofok> i'm not sure what i meant.
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23:42:37 <oerjan> germanic + finno-ugric, basically
23:42:50 <lament> oerjan: right, which is why they all would sound rather similar to, say, an american :)
23:43:07 <oklofok> english has front rounded vowels
23:43:20 <oerjan> and turkish, which i _do_ think sounds a bit similar to hungarian
23:43:33 <lament> english is very different
23:43:40 <lament> english vowels tend to come in weird dipthongs
23:44:10 <pikhq> English is the one that went out and stole many languages' vocabulary. . .
23:44:12 <lament> oerjan: don't both turkish and hungarian have vowel harmony?
23:44:43 <oerjan> isn't really rounded, or fronted
23:44:49 <lament> oklofok: that doesn't look like any english i know...
23:45:19 <lament> yes, finnish has vowel harmony, which is why i'm guessing hungarian has it too
23:45:27 <oklofok> finnish "" is the "e" in "the", "" is the same as in "that"
23:45:31 <oerjan> and the sound in "the" is pretty much right in the middle, i think
23:45:45 <lament> oklofok: your english pronunciation is terrible :)
23:46:03 <oerjan> (i seem to remember for charts)
23:46:03 <oklofok> native people have thought i'm native
23:46:23 <pikhq> Get a microphone and record it.
23:46:36 <lament> the e in the is a shwa (unless it's just an e)
23:47:16 <oerjan> i think english has many _middle_ vowels, which sound fronted to a scandinavian
23:47:54 <pikhq> All non-native English speakers are being requested to record yourselves speaking English.
23:47:59 * pikhq needs to see how bad it is. :p
23:48:20 * oerjan is lucky not to have a microphone.
23:49:10 * pikhq hands oerjan a microphone :p
23:49:43 <oerjan> all i know, is that when i was visiting Australia, someone said we norwegians sounded so american it wasn't even funny
23:50:07 * pikhq still doesn't believe you
23:50:35 <oklofok> i sound pretty terrible in any language
23:50:43 <oklofok> but i guess i can give you a short example :P
23:50:46 <oerjan> including finnish, i take
23:51:02 <lament> according to wikipedia, out of finnihs y/umlauted a/umlauted o, english only has the umlauted a
23:52:09 <oklofok> well, okay, in some words the finnish "" doesn't sound like the one in "the"
23:52:21 <oklofok> when i speak fast it gets more "front"
23:52:38 <oklofok> (i assume i pronounce *that* correctly)
23:52:42 <lament> right, because the english one is not frontal at all
23:52:54 <lament> english vowels tend to be lazy
23:53:17 <oklofok> i mean, i agree, "yes" could mean anything
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23:54:57 <oklofok> pikhq: i recorded something, i can give it to you if you promise not just to listen yourself :P
23:55:34 <oklofok> (pikhq) All non-native English speakers are being requested to record yourselves speaking English.
23:57:05 <oklofok> pikhq: do you really want it?
23:57:08 <lament> while you're at it, record yourself speaking Russian, too.
23:57:33 <pikhq> oklofok: Mostly just kidding, but sure.
23:58:19 * oerjan thinks he is pretty good on the palatalized consonants, since his dialect has such.
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