< 1185840081 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... are you looking for the term "indo-european" in terms of languages? :P < 1185840162 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, ihope suggested Sukoshi might have meant that < 1185840169 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, heh :P < 1185840189 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although she seems to disagree < 1185840260 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "western world" is used to refer to a family of /cultures/, undeniably. < 1185840267 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not languages. < 1185840305 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: even when it refers to cultures, nobody is sure what exactly it refers to < 1185840326 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1185840341 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always thought of it as those cultures derived from Roman ideas. < 1185840348 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there's stuff like "I used to like this song". What are the other forms of that? < 1185840365 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: that's one definition out of a thousand possible ones :) < 1185840370 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1185840414 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: BTW, the Celtic languages are Indo-European. < 1185840461 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Though fairly distant relatives of most of the others] < 1185840469 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Granted. < 1185840495 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: that's not a tenses issue < 1185840637 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and "used to" is not an auxiliary verb) < 1185840821 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1185840832 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1185841371 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1185843184 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: I've seen "did you used to?", though not more than once that I can remember. < 1185843206 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Did you use to?" would seem to make more sense, but... yeah, iffy. < 1185843275 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... "used to" is correct. < 1185843281 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't make any sense, but it's correct. < 1185843281 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"did you used to" sounds ungrammatical < 1185843305 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As an answer to a question, it's fine. "I don't play the trumpet." "Did you used to?" < 1185843310 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, as a question :) < 1185843317 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: no, it's ungrammatical. < 1185843320 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A question to a question! < 1185843326 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: "did you use to" would be correct. < 1185843392 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. According to some grammar page, that is correct in a question or negative context. < 1185843412 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, that is, "use to" is. < 1185843436 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+" < 1185843456 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you call that "question or negative context"? < 1185843460 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it's correct for "I used to eat broccoli" and "That band used to have a trumpeter" < 1185843464 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Auxiliary form? < 1185843482 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I did use to eat broccoli". < 1185843500 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I would use to like it" >:-) < 1185843511 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, no. < 1185843516 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both of those are so bad :P < 1185843536 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1185843575 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Used to" just makes no sense whatsoever. < 1185843707 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1185843956 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only makes sense in that English uses it. < 1185848493 0 :UnrelatedToQaz!n=chatzill@host81-159-116-154.range81-159.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1185848507 0 :UnrelatedToQaz!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, all. < 1185848630 0 :UnrelatedToQaz!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1185849300 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is my opinion that capital punishment should be more common. < 1185849310 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, the news just mentioned a man who has been arrested for drunken driving NINE TIMES. < 1185849325 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, around time four, they should've just shot him in the head and been done with it. < 1185849532 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is my opinion that capital punishment should be less common, but sane sentences should be more common. < 1185849544 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drunk driving? Revoke license, first offense. < 1185849579 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second offense? Long and hard jail time, plus fines for driving without a license. < 1185850729 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And mandatory sterilization. < 1185850781 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's for second-offense rapists. < 1185850858 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. . . And, it's hailing. < 1185851287 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[lambda x {$x $x}] [lambda x {$x $x}] < 1185851386 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If things in the world went my way, you'd be drawn and quartered for drinking. < 1185851415 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If things in the world went my way, stupidity would be the only crime with a death sentence. < 1185851417 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a more serious note, I really don't understand why people like to drink (or smoke or any of that other mind-addling thing if it doesen't actually taste good). < 1185851478 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alcohol, in some cases, is imbibed for flavor, rather than stupidity. < 1185851490 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course, the stupid cases are *remarkably* prevalent) < 1185851500 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll bet if you ingest vinegar, it'll taste remarkably similar. < 1185851513 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do smell similar.... < 1185851521 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pure alcohol, sure. < 1185851542 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd imagine anything people drink for taste would be just fine without the alcohol in it. < 1185851548 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except Listerine. < 1185851549 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly. < 1185851561 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why I like cider. All the fun. None of the mind-addling. < 1185851581 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hasn't done a taste-test of alcoholic and dry versions of things, so won't comment
< 1185851596 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO it all tastes like vinegar. < 1185851610 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I beg to differ. < 1185851613 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some slightly sweet vinegar, some vinegar with an aftertaste of somewhat. < 1185851650 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus it makes me sleepy. < 1185851658 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it troubling that so many people see a need to lose their mental faculties in order to enjoy themselves. < 1185851658 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's even worse than the taste. The sleep. < 1185851669 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes sense, since it's a depressant. < 1185851705 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cherez: I find it troubling that so few people have mental faculties of note to lose. < 1185851799 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen a lot of people go deep into negative intellect for "fun." < 1185851826 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would also like to declare to the #esoteric world that cherez kicks ass; but I digress. . .
< 1185851873 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone on another channel I know said ``I drink alcohol because it makes me more social'' (he's a teenager). < 1185851886 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scary. < 1185851891 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With said negative intellect, they did not realize the only fun was being had by the sober people listening to them (or playing Super Smash Brothers with them.) < 1185851899 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said to him back: Next time you want to be more social, blast out your frontal cortex with a gun, and say ``I blasted out my frontal cortex to be more social!''. < 1185851912 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most drinking I've done is one alcoholic beverage. . . < 1185851967 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frankly, doing more than that seems stupid both in that one becomes rapidly less intelligent and that one has less time to actually *taste* said alcoholic beverage. < 1185852049 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, my mother is a recovering alcoholic and my father is an alcoholic. < 1185852147 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so none of that "mom's drunk and being really stupid" shit this time? < 1185852164 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1185852277 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not right now, thankfully. < 1185852294 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Granted, I'm going back to college in 2 weeks, so I'm worried that she might regress. < 1185852362 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Methylate all the alcohol in Kansas; that might do the job. XD < 1185852450 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is my next chaotic neutral plan. < 1185852484 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, I guess it's more true neutral, but I digress. < 1185852542 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of these days I need to finish the specification for Rube. < 1185852625 0 :pikhq_!n=pikhq@209.248.125.179 JOIN :#esoteric < 1185852651 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1185852655 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq < 1185852678 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Power outage. < 1185852683 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lightening storm. . . < 1185852711 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dare you to take a long shower on the phone! < 1185852721 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cell-phone, and no. < 1185852840 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I'm perfectly willing to use surge-protected equipment. < 1185853644 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Grab a long metal pole. < 1185853650 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Stand out in a thunderstorm. < 1185853658 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Would you like to join me? < 1185853685 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And shout "all gods are bastards!" < 1185853696 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE FLY GODS MUST BE CRAZY ALIENS < 1185853817 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :methylated ethanol is evil < 1185853996 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, i don't see how you could come even close to equating ethanol with vinegar, unless you've been drinking bad wine < 1185854714 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you people are weird < 1185854720 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drinking is fun! < 1185854754 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a few 1C capacitors, pikhq, you have a much greater change of getting hit than petty lightning rods and a transmission-line resonance effect. < 1185854766 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just cost $120+ !!! < 1185854800 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: i agree < 1185854807 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm out of gin :( < 1185854813 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: With just a paperclip, I've got an excellent chance of getting hit with electricity. < 1185854858 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Maybe, but it's more fun when you use a paperclip to resonate and then cause metal attached to it to resonate to have a paperclip radio on the go! < 1185855035 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't buy gin :( < 1185855063 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nuuu. Out of mental addlers :( < 1185855119 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing wrong with a little mental addlyign < 1185855156 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depends upon the means. < 1185855160 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck is a nice one. < 1185855166 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: also, isn't drinking in order to be social pretty much the best reason there is? I would imagine it's why most "normal people" (ie not alcoholics) drink. < 1185855192 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck makes you _think_, liquour makes you _not think_ < 1185855197 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Granted. < 1185855207 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still a means of mental addling. < 1185855221 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not realy < 1185855249 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your thinking accomplishes a lot less. < 1185855306 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with both drinking and brainfuck, yes :) < 1185855410 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Brainfuck looks a lot more fun. < 1185855618 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, brainfuck is pretty much the opposite of social :) < 1185855662 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck yes. :) < 1185855779 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(really, who wants to be social when you can be elegant in your code?) < 1185855864 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat should port emacs to use guile instead of elisp < 1185855886 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use Edwin < 1185855896 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/what/one/ < 1185855903 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it comes with the MIT scheme distribution < 1185855912 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an emacs clone in scheme < 1185855921 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely in scheme? < 1185855937 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sabetts, author of Ratpoison and StubWM, has Emacs in Common Lisp. < 1185855941 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so < 1185855946 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, rather, it's got Elisp in Common Lisp. < 1185855972 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme beats cl by a large margin < 1185856093 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: then make a scheme macro < 1185856112 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've made many scheme macros < 1185856195 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just get edwin < 1185856231 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, did you mean a macro implementing scheme? < 1185856242 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would still be obvious that it was a layer on top of elis < 1185856243 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p < 1185856264 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it makes pretending it's Scheme pretty easy! < 1185856329 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Run Tcl on it. < 1185856922 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1185856933 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know of an algorithm similar to pagerank? < 1185856936 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hm. I just had a thought- the folks here are highly inclined to be the sort to enjoy puzzles < 1185856955 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a bit of a "hacking challenge" a while ago- is anyone interested in playing? < 1185856962 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible. < 1185856993 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did one of those a long time ago < 1185857055 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only hints I'll give are to be thorough and not to jump to conclusions. < 1185857057 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rodger.shadowarts.org/PHP/Example.php < 1185857075 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :403. ;) < 1185857103 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, now? ;) < 1185857111 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1185857115 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have permission to access /PHP/Example.php on this server. < 1185857120 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. . . Oh. < 1185857140 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lose over 80% of people on that first subchallenge < 1185857219 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anyone cracks the basil leaf puzzle, be sure to let me know. Otherwise, if you find yourself completely stuck, PM me with your status and I may be able to give you a small nudge < 1185857266 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be very interested to hear about people's experiences with the challenge, as I may be designing a much larger-scale game of this nature sometime soon. < 1185857430 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Second puzzle is misleading in a way I don't think you want it to be. < 1185857491 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I believe I am aware of the problem you mention < 1185857767 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i don't think so < 1185857782 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a MapReduce cluster < 1185857797 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basil leaf puzzle? < 1185857812 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's deep into the challenge < 1185857818 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, it's the last "level" < 1185857853 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one person has beaten it, (and I highly suspect he cheated), and the other person I revealed the solution to says I'm an evil bastard < 1185857930 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no clue what to do with .elf files < 1185857991 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and is it 386-specific?) < 1185858017 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Linux binary format. However, it's not absolutely necessary to complete the challenge < 1185858046 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very subtle and evil challenge, and you'll kick yourself when you get it < 1185858438 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION loses interest :(
< 1185858460 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<:( < 1185859427 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is pretty evil < 1185859468 0 :meatmanek!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1185859489 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my puzzles have earned me the title "sadistic fuck" < 1185859511 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought your title was The Great < 1185859523 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the great sadistic fuck < 1185859543 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"RodgerTheSadisticFuck" doesn't really roll off the tongue, I'm afraid < 1185859786 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damned evil. < 1185859793 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So close, and yet so far on GulesFish. < 1185860299 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: did you get it? < 1185860313 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just now, with some heavy hinting. < 1185860470 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's truly evil. < 1185860474 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, there is a solution. < 1185860489 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :having fun, guys? < 1185860923 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION coughs
< 1185860929 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said, HAVING FUN, GUYS? < 1185860940 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO! :p < 1185860964 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw. < 1185861983 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now at Basil. < 1185862120 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basil is good with tomatoes and fresh mozzerella < 1185862179 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=saru@222-154-146-232.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1185862554 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: There is a brilliant solution to the GulesFish. You'll love it once you figure it out. < 1185862777 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I wish those of you who are still pounding away at it a good night- I must sleep. 'Night, everyone! < 1185862804 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night. < 1185862812 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1185862967 0 :meatmanek!n=meatmane@cpe-65-29-79-179.indy.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1185863470 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should get back into notpron
< 1185863484 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just. . . Not now. < 1185863693 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goeth
< 1185863923 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1185863981 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@c-76-27-232-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1185864113 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1185865283 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: rrrrrright. < 1185866746 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should maybe try it, but I don't know much about how Web stuff works. < 1185866760 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I know the basic HTTP queries, but that's about all. < 1185866798 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think sockets and wire protocols are more fun :) < 1185867046 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So people, what is arguable the most famous groan in all of history? < 1185867080 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Groan? < 1185867106 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1185867165 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The groan let out by Gengis Khan when that chicken bone finally got him. < 1185867173 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. Older :P < 1185867196 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adam when he found out what happened to his rib? < 1185867203 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. Newer. < 1185867214 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not by much though, I don't think. < 1185867272 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cain, when he found out what incest is? < 1185867334 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would someone groan at that? :D < 1185867340 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it's the Groans of the Britons. < 1185867344 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groans_of_the_Britons <-- Here. < 1185867359 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider his romantic options < 1185867385 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gotta say though, those people were pretty tough if all they did before they were about to get brutally slaughtered and life as they know it completely changed was groan. < 1185867444 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1185867475 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the heathens mated with their tormentors in the futures and began calling themselves Anglo-Saxons. < 1185867490 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame all the constant European warring on idiots who mated with barbarians :| < 1185867965 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :racist < 1185868129 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only they spoke Latin < 1185868219 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latin pwnz English. < 1185868235 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like, all the annoying, inconsistent points of English only multiplied many times over. < 1185868338 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it sounds more satisfying. < 1185868383 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Et. al < 1185868799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1185868800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1185869771 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1185878754 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"OS status: floppy driver is one step closer" < 1185882109 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1185891497 0 :lament_!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1185891795 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1185892073 0 :RedDak!n=dak@87.18.90.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1185892341 0 :RodgerTheGreat!n=Rodger@wads-5-232-125.resnet.mtu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1185892353 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi everyone < 1185893763 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1185894844 0 :ehird`!n=test@user-514f618c.l4.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1185894869 0 :ihope__!n=ihope@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1185894869 0 :blahbot`!n=blahbot`@user-514f618c.l4.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1185894875 0 :ihope__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ihope < 1185895198 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-84-249.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1185897995 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Steg'd? < 1185898012 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wha? < 1185898042 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basil.tif < 1185898052 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, stenography < 1185898056 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of a sort < 1185899356 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've invented a new word. < 1185899358 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yuse" < 1185899369 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the word you think you're using when you think you're saying "use to" or "used to" < 1185899374 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're actually saying "yuse to" < 1185899413 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, "It's the word you're using when you think you're saying" < 1185899474 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the previous definition even better. :) < 1185899491 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a word you think you say when you think you use another < 1185899499 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-P < 1185899646 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I henceforce create a new term. A Vogal is a word (or spelling thereof) that is believed to be used with some commonality but whose correct usage is nearly universally doubted by speakers. < 1185899758 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example? < 1185899770 0 :ihope__!n=ihope@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1185899808 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that's the tricky aspect. "ain't" might be a vogal. < 1185899856 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, a word that's widely used but regardless is almost universally considered incorrect? That's not how I understood it :P < 1185899929 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps a better example is the word combination "that that" which can occur as a grammatically correct pairing in some cases but always seems clumsy and "incorrect". < 1185899968 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other examples of vague or confusing grammar could fall into the category < 1185899987 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that that was considered incorrect by anyone. < 1185900004 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1185900040 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ambiguous, and many people find repeated words disconcerting < 1185900063 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo. < 1185900095 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when spoken, most people avoid saying things like "two, too" in favor of "two as well" or similar < 1185900103 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: lol < 1185900105 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Those] Buffalo buffalo [which] Buffalo buffalo [are prone to] buffalo [themselves] buffalo [other] Buffalo buffalo. < 1185900113 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah- I'm familiar with the sentence < 1185900117 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1185900245 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it could reasonably be changed to: Buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo. < 1185900271 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, as an added bonus, I can make a verb form of vogal, "vogle" which would be the act of using a vogal. < 1185900278 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: I find that that usage is not unnatural. :p < 1185900294 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Those] buffalo [style] Buffalo buffalo [which] buffalo [style] Buffalo buffalo [are prone to] buffalo [themselves] buffalo [other] buffalo [style] Buffalo buffalo. < 1185900333 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then saying "I vogled a vogal" is itself an instance of vogling a vogal. < 1185900379 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Vogle a vogal" is a more confusing version of the sentence as a declarative. < 1185900414 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that that "that" that that "that" "thats" "thats" that "that." < 1185900442 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant vogal there, GregorR < 1185900481 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the definition of Vogal could be simplified and broaden to encompass anything that could be considered a "linguistic hack". < 1185900489 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*broadened < 1185900647 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also tempted to make a language around this idea. If I call it "Vogal", then I have a proper noun, a verb, a means of referencing other usages. Throw in tenses and plurals and we have an evil, evil mess < 1185900809 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea of using quoted groups is also quite clever, gregor- I'll have to consider that. < 1185900839 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1185900914 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sentence fragment "that that" is often confusing, but can be interpreted easily if we consider that "that" to "that" that "that." So, that "that" that that "that" "thats" "thats" that "that" that that "that" that "thats" "thats." < 1185901087 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches pinkish-greyish gunk melt out of RodgerTheGreat's ears :P
< 1185901136 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He deserves it. < 1185901145 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck. My jello and oatmeal sack lunch must've gone bad. < 1185901148 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Basil puzzle? I don't even know where to *start* on that TIFF. < 1185901184 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well, if you recall, nobody has ever solved the basil puzzle legitimately < 1185901202 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Which, of course, is why I don't know where to start. < 1185901205 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I explained how it worked to a friend of mine, and then he solved it and called me an evil bastard < 1185901230 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is solvable, it is quite straightforward, and it does not require deep cryptanalysis < 1185901244 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :URL? < 1185901249 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, God. . . < 1185901255 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that, I wouldn't want to detract from your fun < 1185901259 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate how you qualify that with "deep". < 1185901305 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it doesn't require *much* jumping off of buildings < 1185901326 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: you'll probably have the most fun if you start at the beginning: http://rodger.shadowarts.org/PHP/Example.php < 1185901337 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat, nice 403 page there < 1185901344 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I think you'll like a lot of the puzzles. < 1185901353 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: Ain't it though? < 1185901354 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forbidden < 1185901354 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have permission to access /PHP/Example.php on this server. < 1185901387 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: see? I told you- most people never make it past the first puzzle. < 1185901402 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that's the first puzzle, then I officially don't care :P < 1185901418 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LMAO < 1185901422 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how disappointing < 1185901491 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. Gregor will miss out on GulesFish, I suppose. < 1185901499 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shame. < 1185901525 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: if you'd like, you could give him a hint. < 1185901583 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1185901584 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j = 2? < 1185901587 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Hint wasn't needed; he got this close to solving #1, and decided on apathy. < 1185901588 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS MUST BE SIGNIFICAN- < 1185901602 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1185901608 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1185901611 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j=2 and i get brainfuck code! < 1185901630 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%bf +++++++[->+++++++++++<]>.>++++++++[<-<>->-]<.----.---. < 1185901630 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M=96 < 1185901641 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No fair helping others solve it. < 1185901645 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, oops < 1185901646 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1185901668 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't help me personally, anyway, since M=96 gives me the original page < 1185901675 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PM's, fool < 1185901675 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gives up
< 1185901688 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: Slight misleading. < 1185901693 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rodger's fault. < 1185901700 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat, yeah, yeah, i have this illusion of blahbot` being amazingly magick and talking to only me < 1185901705 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i use it so often =p < 1185901971 0 :lament_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :lament < 1185902019 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I repaired a lingering issue with the first challenge that might be less discouraging. You're missing out on a great deal of fun if you give up so quickly < 1185902047 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: I'm at work + just plain don't care + figured it out and still don't care. < 1185902065 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not giving up, giving up is very different from being overwhelmed with apathy. < 1185902078 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very well < 1185902492 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MEMO TO MYSELF < 1185902501 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never underestimate the stupidity of windows developers < 1185902520 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahah. < 1185902547 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Of course installing into the same place to get that extension back won't overwrite all of my code. I mean, that's a stupid idea. I don't need to backup beforehand. *installs*" "OK - the problem is still there, the old extension wasn't overri- wait a minute, where has all my goddamn code gone?" "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-" < 1185902568 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1185902571 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ recount of the past 2 minutes. < 1185902595 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want my code back :< < 1185902635 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you were solving the Gulesfish puzzle, you wouldn't need it back. < 1185902649 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is trure < 1185902650 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*true < 1185906626 0 :ihope__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1185906777 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: You home. < 1185906785 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1185906793 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1185906798 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am at the moment < 1185906830 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'sup? < 1185906887 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a group of packets which can be grouped into 3 major structures, and each packet in these structures only has minor differences (like the Info field in a Range packet is the end of the next range, and the Info field in a Request packet is the next requested packet) would it be more advisable in Java to simply create classes for the 3 major types then assign subtypes using constant shorts in a short type field or is it bett < 1185906887 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er for each to have its own class? < 1185906908 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Efficiency also is nice, because this is socket code, so. < 1185907011 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1185907238 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. This other TCP stack implementation I found on the net shows that the 3 major classes route seems better. < 1185907266 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure there's a difference in terms of data overhead < 1185907279 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of speed, 3 classes may be faster < 1185907305 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's just that, the class definitions themselves seem pointlessly different. < 1185907322 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just different names for the same underlying function. < 1185907334 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't have a ton of experience doing networking in Java, so I may be missing something fiddley here < 1185907341 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders why C# doesn't get enough love
< 1185907355 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: Same reason Pascal doesen't. < 1185907355 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mono works great, it's like java but less sucky, it has lots of functional-programming-alike stuff, its spec is open, etc < 1185907367 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi, Shitty? < 1185907382 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occupies too close a niche to something that's become more popular. < 1185907403 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but Java doesn't deserve to be so popular vs C# < 1185907408 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1185907422 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely, even with that law, a clearly superior technology with no major flaws vs the competitor should win out? < 1185907426 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... < 1185907434 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess everyone would use OS X by now if that happened < 1185907449 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A) It's by M$ B) Mono's spec may be open, but C#'s isn't C) Java's been around for a lot longer. < 1185907472 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :java has earned it's place in enterprise level coding not by being the fastest, but by being the most scalable. < 1185907538 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus a lot of the recent Java buzz has come from RMS's blessings (or as far as he blesses a non-C non-Emacs-Lisp language). < 1185907542 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi, A) boo hoo, one company is the source of all evil and can do no good, even if two parts are completely unrelated B) it's standardised by ECMA. by your logic, JavaScript is not open. C) So what? < 1185907578 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: Argue A against raving idiotic Slashdotters. < 1185907610 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them believe that the sky is about to fall, aliens are about to take over the planet, and M$ is about to breed the next corporate empire. < 1185907625 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi, raving idiotic slashdotters can't code anyway < 1185907629 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, apart from in Visual Basic < 1185907635 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, a lot of them do. < 1185907640 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the raving idiotic ones :) < 1185907644 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least -- I hope not! < 1185907645 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: when you call microsoft "M$", it makes it rather hard to differentiate you from a "raving idiotic slashdotter" < 1185907673 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1185907680 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : A) It's by M$ < 1185907702 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said I *agree* with these reasons, I'm just saying ``this is what they are''. < 1185907713 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logical fallacies help no-one. < 1185907715 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1185907719 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slashdot is effectively an aggregator of the most extremist followers of every software movement. < 1185907729 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, nevermind < 1185907750 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still think C# should logically have at least a bit more spotlight than it does < 1185907752 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a good language < 1185907781 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree, but marketing-wise, C# was too late. < 1185907809 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't make hordes of developers change language and hordes of rhetoric change their subject. < 1185907827 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java itself took years to take away the clutch from C++. < 1185907883 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, i'll still keep refining C# into a more dynamic language, yet still as nice... the product should get some attention that it deserves; the dynamic-languages community has lots of buzz < 1185908000 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also wait for the magic 10-12 year mark of a language. < 1185908009 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the important part of all of this is that the C/C++ monoculture is being softened, and more and more developers are opening up to the idea of working with new languages or more than one. Programming languages are how computer science as a whole pushes software forward. < 1185908021 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's around the time popularity for any language surges if the buzz stays, and it's a bit eerie in that. < 1185908050 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed- Java is really coming into it's own as of late < 1185908058 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Python and Ruby both hit their stride at the 12 year mark, and Java seems to be as well.) < 1185908111 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 years... that's a bit long for microsoft to keep something up :) < 1185908222 0 :cherez!n=cherez@CPE-65-30-35-192.kc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1185908302 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they're doing well with their Xbox arm, even though that segment of the company has operated at a continuous loss as long as it's been in existence. It's an example of Microsoft realizing there's something much more valuable than money- mindshare. < 1185908453 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone invented a cybernetic XBox-arm? < 1185908459 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1185908494 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an arm of a company. it's a metaphor. < 1185908779 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1185909033 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While I enter the shower, what do y'al think the future of Perl is? < 1185909096 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling that it will become a niche language (dependence on a VM is hard to push as a feature, especially with 2 already common VMs out there (Mono and JVM)) but that it will stay alive only because of the ``Hacker'' (Cracker) and sysadmin stigma around it. < 1185909234 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it'll become infinitely more popular in the dynamic languages community with perl 6 < 1185909251 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the rest of the perl hackers will gradually but slowly upgrade to perl 6 and generally carry on the same, utilising the new features, of course < 1185909289 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: i think it has already become a niche language. < 1185909344 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, yeah right < 1185909527 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-045-253.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1185910201 0 :Blejdfizt!i=blejdfis@c-df4472d5.024-2014-67626714.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1185910911 0 :Blejdfist!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1185911594 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is stuck on the puzzles
< 1185911603 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at gate 3 lock 1 < 1185911610 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get that there's brainfuck code < 1185911617 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its unbalanced, and it seems to go in no real order < 1185911637 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the patterns seem too complex to be a simple time-based ordering sequcnce < 1185912178 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1185912192 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-055-158.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1185912230 0 :fax!n=pacman@amcant.demon.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1185912231 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :helo < 1185912278 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :helo with an extra l < 1185912296 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELO localhost < 1185912320 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Unfortunately, I fear that no one will get that :( ] < 1185912506 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1185912507 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get it < 1185912512 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smtp =) < 1185912548 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay 8-D < 1185913280 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tim berners-lee is insane: " People keep asking what Web 3.0 is. I think maybe when you've got an overlay of scalable vector graphics - everything rippling and folding and looking misty - on Web 2.0 and access to a semantic Web integrated across a huge space of data, you'll have access to an unbelievable data resource." < 1185913289 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rippling and folding and looking misty FTW! < 1185914554 0 :ihope__!n=ihope@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1185914560 0 :ihope__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ihope < 1185915045 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host218-88-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1185916057 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his mom is rippling and folding and looking misty < 1185916222 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gulesfish puzzle... < 1185916253 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what's the Gulesfish puzzle? < 1185916329 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your second-to-worst nightmare < 1185916532 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't that hard... < 1185916535 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the start it was < 1185916541 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but once i got the basic concept it didn't take long. < 1185916601 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how're you doing with the Basil puzzle? < 1185916616 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the what < 1185916627 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i lost the link < 1185916631 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it comes after lock 1 < 1185916633 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the first puzzle url again? so i can use history < 1185916635 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and oh < 1185916639 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't done lock 1 yet, i'm stumped < 1185916640 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :utterly < 1185916653 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rodger.shadowarts.org/PHP/Example.php < 1185916654 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, found the link again < 1185916658 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1185916660 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, i get that: < 1185917259 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINALLY < 1185917262 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got gate 3 lock 1 < 1185917283 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welll... I got the output < 1185917286 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have to decipher it < 1185917305 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray! all done < 1185917316 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now lock 2.... the basil puzzle? < 1185917323 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it appears so < 1185917339 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verrry interestingggg < 1185917507 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you figure it out, give me hints. :p < 1185917937 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Figure out a puzzle based on the sentence: That "that" that that "that" "thats" "thats" that "that" that that "that" that "thats" that "thats." < 1185917947 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Figure out/Create/ < 1185917972 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is stuck already
< 1185918211 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is something very, very fishy about that picture. < 1185918316 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, the blue channel looks almost as though it's been tweaked. < 1185918409 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a picture? < 1185918412 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the fact that it's basil have anything to do with it? < 1185918413 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shows up as corrupt to me < 1185918416 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basil.tif is, yes. < 1185918419 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In TIFF format. < 1185918421 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries GIMP
< 1185918478 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does a Google Pictures search, in hopes of finding Rodger's source, for comparison purposes
< 1185918488 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is basil, indeed < 1185918501 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it kind of looks like a fractal too < 1185918519 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's bit-for-bit identical to his source, then we can move on to searching in the TIFF. . . < 1185918533 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the blue channel seems normal < 1185918542 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i decompose it into RGB blue just looks darker; to be expected < 1185918583 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very odd < 1185918637 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1185918744 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is rapidly getting the feeling that Rodger's source is well-hidden
< 1185918803 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Motherfucking hell. < 1185918818 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that accurately sums up the insanity of this < 1185918819 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a picture which is identical, except with text overlayed on it. < 1185918828 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And smaller. < 1185918831 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.diamondorganics.com/images/herbs_basil300.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.diamondorganics.com/&h=300&w=300&sz=16&hl=en&start=520&um=1&tbnid=DsOXfgK_b1L3UM:&tbnh=116&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3DBasil%26start%3D520%26imgsz%3Dsmall%257Cmedium%257Clarge%257Cxlarge%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN < 1185918842 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's try the binary data < 1185918924 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1185918954 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: You, sir, are evil. < 1185918982 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet you shrank the picture from its original size, just to confound efforts like mine. < 1185919070 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :img.count [ != img.count ] so it isn't a bf program < 1185919123 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm stumped < 1185919281 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seconded. < 1185919420 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has RodgerTheGreat given any hints < 1185919443 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1185919447 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1185920043 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1185920051 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have absolutely no idea < 1185920297 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry guys, but this is my masterpiece and my final puzzle < 1185920311 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just wouldn't be right at all to let it go as easily as some of the others < 1185920409 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I will say that you guys are going to want to die when you finally figure it out < 1185920454 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just one measly hint < 1185920457 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will make the rest of your life a nightmare. < 1185920472 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something to put us on the vague cobbles to the mostly-right woods leading to the right track < 1185920493 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: like I said, my masterpiece < 1185920513 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I coddled you guys through some of the early puzzles- spread your wings and fly < 1185920520 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1185920622 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y'know, I wonder if I subconsciously selected and named my fish in honor of these puzzles < 1185920658 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :puzzles? < 1185920667 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: http://rodger.shadowarts.org/PHP/Example.php < 1185920671 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :join the party < 1185920679 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to link him first damnit :P < 1185920680 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1185920689 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes it's forbidden. < 1185920722 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it? < 1185920724 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I thought that was a plain "forbidden" page < 1185920730 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same :P < 1185920732 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, :D < 1185920748 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: well, the first puzzle is a tiny bit easier now < 1185920750 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be 404 < 1185920750 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1185920769 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat, how < 1185920940 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't run ELF files 8[ < 1185920964 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehehehehehhe < 1185920969 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax: it's not absolutely necessary to solve the puzzle < 1185920972 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it helps < 1185921092 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ" < 1185921148 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, what changed in the first puzzle? < 1185921168 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, port < 1185921187 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, I just spotted that < 1185921205 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, "404 Forbidden" would be nice imo < 1185921223 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO HINTS IN THE MAIN CHANNEL, please < 1185921230 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even for the easy stuff < 1185921233 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :404 Forbidden? haha < 1185921247 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or better yet, the IIS error message but saying it's Apache < 1185921258 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :402 Payment Required Because I Am Poor And Need Money For Food < 1185921276 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: this is not a good change < 1185921292 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, for even more heartstring-symphonies: 402 Payment Required Because I Am Poor And Need Money To Give My Children Food On The Table, They Are Starving Please Pray For Them! < 1185921293 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's a fairly obvious hint to connect on port 69 < 1185921305 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1185921308 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you don't run anything on port 69... < 1185921495 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: I recommend deploying the technique that all web puzzles sooner or later require you to use < 1185921509 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, wassat? < 1185921515 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that would be telling < 1185921517 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Background-coloured text? < 1185921529 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. a hint forum? < 1185921530 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not th person to tell you it < 1185921540 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask someone more permitted < 1185921556 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shush < 1185921601 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does one use blhbot? < 1185921610 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does one use blahbot`? < 1185921702 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Segmentation fault (core dumped) < 1185921726 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy < 1185921727 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%cmds < 1185921727 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quit, eval, ps, kill, cmds, help, reload, join, part, send, topic, raw, bf, parse, reduce, wapr (use %help for argument information) < 1185921736 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do use %help, do it in #esoteric-blah < 1185921738 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it floods a bit < 1185921771 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was doing it via privmsg < 1185921774 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't < 1185921779 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't respond to them, for now < 1185921786 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric-blah is its official channel, because nobody talks in it < 1185921827 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, %eval still has BIG GAPING HELLO.JPG-STYLE SECURITY HOLES, so my finger is on ^C < 1185921882 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1185921921 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by then it will be too late < 1185921936 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is it in? < 1185921942 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. ruby < 1185921952 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wtf is this code segfaulting < 1185921975 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval File.open("BIG GAPING HELLO.JPG-STYLE SECURITY HOLE") < 1185921975 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errno::ENOENT: (eval):1:in `initialize': No such file or directory - BIG GAPING HELLO.JPG-STYLE SECURITY HOLE < 1185921978 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. < 1185922012 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval Hello.jpg < 1185922012 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NameError: (eval):1:in `cmd_eval': uninitialized constant Blahbot::Hello < 1185922022 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval die < 1185922022 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NameError: undefined local variable or method `die' for # < 1185922036 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that'll work anyway < 1185922036 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval exit < 1185922037 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SystemExit: (eval):1:in `exit': exit < 1185922040 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? :) < 1185922072 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is about to go mad
< 1185922131 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next challenge: get something other than "Error: Input is incorrect." < 1185922153 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%eval "Error: Input is incorrect" < 1185922153 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> "Error: Input is incorrect" < 1185922168 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, on gulesfish? < 1185922171 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1185922212 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hints
< 1185922336 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you get ANY input to gulesfish? < 1185922355 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, oi! i'm hinting you here! in /msg! :P < 1185922360 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main puzzle page has a hint < 1185922423 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1185922581 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you get "input is incorrect"? < 1185922876 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please one basil clue RodgerTheGreat :( < 1185922901 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually gave a small one earlier < 1185922906 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i supposed to disassemble anything in gulesfish? < 1185922923 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, maybe < 1185922928 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no, I shall not tear apart basil for you- it's supposed to be fucking hard < 1185922932 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1185922936 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the small one < 1185922938 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: that does not help < 1185922957 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, that's the point < 1185922963 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: there are logs. Scroll back and you might be able to figure it out < 1185923054 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, incidentally, help is lacking in elfs < 1185923073 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1185923086 0 :b34!n=b34@host84-57-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1185923092 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a subtle clue < 1185923107 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i'm afraid it wasn't < 1185923116 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next time, i shall enclose it in SUBTLE CLUE, LOOK AHEAD!!!!---><----!!! < 1185923137 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, why does a puzzle have a name> < 1185923148 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: can you give me a hint? :) < 1185923157 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1185923163 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before i stab ehird` < 1185923170 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, why does a puzzle have a name? < 1185923179 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being more explicit than that is damn hard < 1185923239 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+" < 1185923308 0 :b34!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1185923412 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WIN!!!! < 1185923438 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq has now entered the hall of fame. < 1185923447 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he only won gulesfish < 1185923456 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just won Basil. < 1185923456 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations- you are the first person to beat basil, pikhq < 1185923465 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1185923465 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1185923467 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were SimonRC < 1185923470 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you do gulesfish? :P < 1185923472 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummm < 1185923474 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still need a basil hint < 1185923477 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax, it's really simple < 1185923489 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax, but i still think gulesfish is a stupid name for a puzzle! what use is naming a puzzle after all? < 1185923489 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing I tried work < 1185923503 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ huge, in your face hint < 1185923505 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried that! < 1185923511 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, what < 1185923515 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I am serious about this- if you give hints to anyone you shall die a horrible death. You've worked hard enough at this that you should value what you've accomplished and not give it away < 1185923520 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know what gules means anyway < 1185923530 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION stops the hints, they're getting too obvious
< 1185923543 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll give one hint. It can be done. < 1185923548 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a hint < 1185923626 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll also be laughing when you're done. < 1185923633 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: what you give isn't hints either < 1185923639 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, but, it is < 1185923655 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, i only have one question: does it involve cryptanalysis, hard or not. < 1185923663 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: It might. < 1185923666 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr < 1185923676 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry; I've taken a Rodgerian stance. < 1185923689 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm taking an apathetic stance < 1185923708 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:00 am i supposed to disassemble anything in gulesfish? < 1185923708 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:00 lament, maybe < 1185923711 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is only fair :) < 1185923734 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1185923767 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, fine < 1185923771 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, what does Gules mean. < 1185923772 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: TBH, you don't need to know the definition to work out the ppuzzle < 1185923775 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's your final hint :P < 1185923790 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: stop asking me that. I'm tired. < 1185923796 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google helps < 1185923809 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: you are being a bastard now < 1185923820 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: why exactly do you assume i don't know what it means? < 1185923833 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: I'm sorry, dude, but too many hints really destroy the entire point of these puzzles < 1185923839 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if you knew, then you'd be well on your way to solving the puzzle < 1185923839 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd be ruining your own fun < 1185923841 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries
< 1185923847 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: well yes < 1185923855 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, lock 1 is easy, it doesn't need hints < 1185923858 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: you don't know if i'm well on my way or not. < 1185923862 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only hint is: think simple < 1185923875 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, are you? < 1185923900 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't tell < 1185923912 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: I meant, this puzzle is a bastard < 1185923931 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, which one? < 1185923933 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1185923948 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: the one that looks like a commection timeout < 1185923954 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1185923956 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's none of those < 1185923961 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be a real connection timeout < 1185923965 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1185923968 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1185923970 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try reloading < 1185924016 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he did timeout for a while < 1185924022 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the site was down < 1185924065 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1185924079 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1185924133 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I got the correct pasword I think < 1185924144 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What makes you think so? < 1185924171 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a page saying "Good work." and some more stuff < 1185924175 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beware riddles wrapped in enigmas wrapped in puzzles < 1185924178 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods
< 1185924187 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a mis-type on that page, BTW < 1185924196 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: PM me about it < 1185924451 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone remind me to continue basiling tomorrow < 1185924461 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1185924477 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1185924477 0 :blahbot`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1185924941 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah < 1185925170 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: did you get gulesfish? < 1185925365 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yes < 1185925382 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't actually need to look up the word at all < 1185925432 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm stupid :( < 1185926005 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you **** *** *** **** as hinted, then *** *** ** *******, it explicitly refers to the thing that "gulesfish" only hints at < 1185926070 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, a simplistic pagerank algorithm is coded < 1185926081 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i just need to figure out how to parse the wikipedia db dumps < 1185926109 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so thats what you've been doing :o