< 1189814992 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1189816804 0 :SEO_DUDE75!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1189817477 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"On the other hand, you have different fingers." < 1189818189 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2007/09/the_perspex_machine_superturin.php < 1189818190 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf? < 1189818202 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's superturing because it can be extended to hold reals? < 1189818219 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh...how bout you extend a turing machine to hold a real in each cell instead of a symbol? < 1189818241 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+" < 1189818842 0 :immibis!n=immibis@125-238-32-238.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1189819229 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then you would have made a super-turing machine, obviously :) < 1189819310 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you expect from the nullity guy < 1189819596 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All in favor of implementing a Perspex Machine emulator on a Turing machine, in the name of proving him more wrong? < 1189819679 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. . . He argues that a Turing machine can't even *hold* a real? < 1189819694 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got an infinite amount of space. It can hold an infinite amount of reals. < 1189819709 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it can't do anything with them < 1189819713 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it cannot. memory is finite at any given time. < 1189819743 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: A universal Turing machine has infinite memory. < 1189819758 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/infinite/unbounded/ < 1189819762 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it has infinitely _extensible_ memory < 1189819781 0 :_D6Gregor1RFeZi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't process an irrational number because doing so puts you into an infinite loop. < 1189819788 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1189819792 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there is that. . . < 1189819843 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, an infinity machine could easily emulate a perspex machine. ;) < 1189819851 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but not the other way around. :D) < 1189820012 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course, the infinity machine, unlike the perspex machine, was designed as more of a thought experiment) < 1189820318 0 :ihope_!n=ihope@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1189820415 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :immibis[A] < 1189820626 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing machines can sort of deal with real numbers. < 1189820669 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only countably many of them... < 1189820682 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1189820695 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give me a real number that a Turing machine cannot handle. :-P < 1189820713 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omega < 1189820728 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't sound like a real number to me. < 1189820740 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh, that? < 1189820741 0 :g4lt-sb100!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^.5 < 1189820750 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chaitin's constant or whatever? < 1189820777 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1189820808 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g4lt-sb100: I think 2^.5 is firmly within the realm of computability. < 1189820840 0 :g4lt-sb100!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in polynomial time < 1189820841 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, an algebraic number < 1189820868 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one has mentioned polynomial time, or digits for that matter < 1189821170 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess handling real numbers is sort of the same as handling sets of rational numbers. < 1189821204 0 :immibis[A]!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :immibis < 1189821209 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, the sets that contain some rational numbers but not others, < 1189821211 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1189821279 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, the bounded, non-empty, downward closed sets of rational numbers that do not have maxima. < 1189821302 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a turing machine can't decide if two real numbers are equal < 1189821317 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1189821352 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's no way you can even give a Turing machine any two real numbers. < 1189821410 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my impression is that a computable real is a function which given a bound will calculate a rational that lies within that distance of the real, or an equivalent < 1189821425 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1189821426 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :formulation < 1189821493 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, a decreasing sequence of intervals < 1189821566 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a function that compares the real number to its argument? < 1189821593 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, you cannot do that because if they are equal it might not be provable < 1189821680 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need some slack in the questions you ask :) < 1189821692 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1189821736 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, you could pass it two different arguments and it would answer either that it was largest than the smallest or smaller than the largest < 1189821745 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*larger than < 1189821894 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely you can also ask it for a correctly rounded printout to some number of digits - as long as you allow it to possibly give one more digit than you ask for < 1189822750 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't all reals computable then? < 1189822776 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, the function itself should be computable < 1189822868 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no < 1189822882 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1189822917 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION attempts to find something similar to irreal numbers < 1189822928 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1189822954 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :division is closed over the reals < 1189822956 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean surreal, or something else? < 1189822962 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or irrational? < 1189822964 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sans 0 of course < 1189823150 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1189823921 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like surreal. < 1189823960 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You fill in the rational numbers with the irrational numbers. You fill in the real numbers with... nothing. < 1189823996 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :complex numbers < 1189824005 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and irrational=real < 1189824098 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rationals are people^H^H^H^H^H^Hreals too < 1189824124 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The imaginary numbers aren't the sort of filling-in I was thinking of. < 1189824152 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the reals _are_ complete. have you looked at nonstandard analysis? < 1189824158 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking the LUBs of sets of real numbers. These are, of course, also real numbers. < 1189824168 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. What is it? < 1189824195 0 :g4lt-sb100!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soylernt rationals are people, you must tell them, soylent rationals are PEOPLE < 1189824215 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just saw that movie a few days ago for the first time, BTW < 1189824219 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you add new reals by passing to a larger model of the same axioms < 1189824291 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using something called ultraproducts, iirc < 1189824308 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: A turing machine could actually tell you if two real numbers were not equal, though. ;) < 1189824321 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no it couldn't < 1189824342 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a machine to do so wouldn't always halt < 1189824342 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this assumes a way to store the real number is devised. . . :p) < 1189824344 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_if_ two computable real numbers were not equal, it could tell you. < 1189824364 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1189824367 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note the subtle lack of requirement to tell you if they are < 1189824367 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, of course, is why I said that. < 1189824392 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not very usefull to know if two numbers are equal if you already know they are < 1189824730 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1189824743 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-043-089.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1189829543 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1189830145 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1189833655 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1189833720 0 :ehird`!n=ehird@user-5af069d2.wfd101.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1189833761 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1189834400 0 :immibis!n=immibis@125-238-32-238.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1189834495 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon cat bf ,[.,] < 1189834504 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meow < 1189834509 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daemon created < 1189834596 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meow? < 1189834610 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a *cat* < 1189834623 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps d < 1189834626 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 immibis: daemon cat bf < 1189834627 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 immibis: daemon annoyimmibis bf < 1189834629 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 immibis: bf_txtgen < 1189834632 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 immibis: ps < 1189834690 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1189834693 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!annoyimmibis xxx < 1189834878 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cat ~exec self.raw"PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi"") < 1189834878 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SyntaxError: invalid syntax < 1189834891 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cat ~exec self.raw\"PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi\"") < 1189834892 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cat ~exec self.raw"PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi" < 1189834895 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.raw"PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi" < 1189834896 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SyntaxError: invalid syntax < 1189834910 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cat ~exec self.raw(\"PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi\")") < 1189834910 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cat ~exec self.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi") < 1189834914 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi") < 1189834914 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1189834926 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1189835018 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!annoyimmibis yyy < 1189835029 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't seem to do much. < 1189835048 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it messages me < 1189835391 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1189835406 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"!annoyimmibis yyy" is the same as "/msg immibis yyy" except that then the message comes from EgoBot < 1189835453 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1189835456 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help ps kill i eof flush show ls bf_txtgen usertrig daemon undaemon < 1189835457 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1l 2l adjust axo bch bf{8,[16],32,64} funge93 fyb fybs glass glypho kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 unlambda whirl < 1189836536 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!annoyimmibis Does this annoy people in chat, too? < 1189836539 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1189836557 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:08] Does this annoy people in chat, too? < 1189836563 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:08] Does this annoy people in chat, too? < 1189836569 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!annoyimmibis are you sure? < 1189836577 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure? < 1189836594 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1189836601 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i used !cat < 1189836608 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cat XD < 1189836612 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1189836653 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!annoyimmibis yadayadayada < 1189836656 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yadayadayada < 1189836842 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1189837148 0 :SEO_DUDE75!i=Deee@gateway/tor/x-f048e0c34e33deb3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1189837287 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1189840106 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1189843199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1189843200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1189847517 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-74-216.w83-203.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1189850496 0 :SEO_DUDE75!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1189851448 0 :SEO_DUDE75!i=Deee@gateway/tor/x-2cb02069552f337d JOIN :#esoteric < 1189855796 0 :ehird`!n=ehird@user-5af069d2.wfd101.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1189856071 0 :ihope_!n=ihope@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1189856088 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ihope < 1189856812 0 :RedDak!n=dak@87.18.81.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1189856868 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1189857063 0 :ehird`!n=ehird@user-5af069d2.wfd101.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1189857864 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ" < 1189858193 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-043-089.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1189858247 0 :ehird`_!n=ehird@user-5af069d2.wfd101.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1189858304 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1189860377 0 :SEO_DUDE75!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1189861760 0 :SEO_DUDE75!i=Deee@gateway/tor/x-ce73c8a01e848d80 JOIN :#esoteric < 1189864809 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1189866974 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1189867158 0 :ehird`_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1189867164 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1189867181 0 :ehird`!n=ehird@user-5af069d2.wfd101.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1189867300 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1189867313 0 :ehird`!n=ehird@user-5af069d2.wfd101.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1189867350 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone alive? < 1189867381 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1189867424 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, or should that be plutonian? < 1189867509 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google says 7 to 6 for plutonian < 1189867637 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YESNO < 1189867648 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOD < 1189867936 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1189867947 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-080-228-180-048.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1189867976 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fromMaybe < 1189869972 0 :xlq!i=xlq@mtxf.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1189869982 0 :xlq!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1189871557 0 :RedDak!n=dak@87.18.81.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1189875167 0 :skull_fcked!n=skull_fc@88.241.240.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1189875444 0 :skull_fcked!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1189875734 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Dinner" < 1189877368 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1189882194 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"haaaaaaaaaa" < 1189883138 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION got to the british summer school for the IMO one year < 1189883178 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abuh? < 1189883183 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1189883218 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a bunch of geniuses we are < 1189883409 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1189883465 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was bragging about my "success" in the finnish national math thingie < 1189883473 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one before imo < 1189883521 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how successful? < 1189883552 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(BTW, most of my maths class has a go at the first set of tests) < 1189883621 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got to the finals < 1189883641 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was in the 9th grade < 1189883668 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in high school i was the 5th, but i forgot to go to a ...camp or something < 1189883683 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was to pick out the guys for the olympics < 1189883704 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my highschool did something resembling what you've described, although in this case we were allowed to use a calculator. I scored in the top %5 of my school, in many cases solving problems by writing programs instead of the "correct way". Then I got to go on to the second half based on my original score, but I felt pretty SOL without my beloved TI-83+ < 1189883723 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1189883740 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had about 1.5 times more points than the next one in our school < 1189883745 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he was the 86th iirc < 1189883749 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in finland < 1189883749 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually got full points on one question there by writing out a TI-BASIC program that would generate the right answer and a detailed explanation of how it worked, which surprised me < 1189883752 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, small country. < 1189883778 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty cool :P < 1189883780 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the basic? < 1189883785 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are a lot of geniuses here... < 1189883787 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1189883801 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love BASIC for a number of reasons < 1189883843 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Haskell and wish my calculator supported it. < 1189883878 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: use Forth. it has oomph < 1189883884 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1189883901 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On my calculator? < 1189883920 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hates autumn. < 1189883937 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wind, rain, cold, darkness, instant depression. < 1189883948 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1189883953 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love all of those < 1189883969 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: Forth is just the thing for interactive development on small systems < 1189883983 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and I like some of them < 1189883983 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds good. < 1189884000 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You calculators is more powerful than many early Forth systems < 1189884008 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Pong timeout" < 1189884009 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Your calculator < 1189884039 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: in case you don't read logs and know basic, take a look at my games TI :P http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p312111352.txt < 1189884042 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*TI games < 1189884070 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why all the colons? < 1189884073 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong was a 2 hour project, the worm thingie 3 hours, but i didn't know the language yet < 1189884081 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how a line starts < 1189884084 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1189884086 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you lazy tabber. < 1189884091 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1189884125 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pong. My. < 1189884187 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... gotta go read some physics, been meaning to go for about 2 days, y'all have fun here -> < 1189884336 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy poop, I think I can still read this code < 1189884357 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god i'm bad at leaving the computer. < 1189884380 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess the fact i don't care about physics might have something to do with it < 1189884412 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: if you find anything i could've done better, don't hesitate to tell me < 1189884428 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just know the basics from trial-and-error < 1189884474 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, retry -> < 1189884489 0 :ehird`!n=ehird@user-5af069d2.wfd101.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1189884510 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I know a few general optimization tricks < 1189884536 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, in a function call like :Pxl-On(I,21), you can leave off the end ), and the interpreter doesn't complain < 1189884547 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can shave quite a few bytes off of many programs < 1189884602 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1189884628 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, single if statements can be compressed from If condition:Then:statement:End into "If condition:statement" < 1189884639 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that only works when your conditional controls a oneliner < 1189884654 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, man, sometimes things just happen that you couldn't do deliberately... < 1189884663 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, TI-BASIC's If takes the form of "If not condition, skip next instruction" < 1189884672 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up, SimonRC? < 1189884694 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elsenet, there was a discussion on how to improve masturbation. Some guy comes in, and before anyone says anything, quotes the Beatles: "All you need it love". < 1189884703 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1189884707 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1189884726 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1189884728 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would put it on bash, except maybe my parents should not see it < 1189884769 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to dinner < 1189884782 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: follow me on those tips? < 1189884789 0 :ehird`!n=ehird@user-5af069d2.wfd101.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1189884815 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could probably reduce those programs in size between 10 and 20%, and they'd execute a little faster < 1189884822 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1189884866 0 :ehird`!n=ehird@user-5af069d2.wfd101.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1189884987 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1189885005 0 :ehird`!n=ehird@user-5af069d2.wfd101.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1189885037 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1189885171 0 :ehird`!n=ehird@user-5af069d2.wfd101.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1189885188 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: connection issues? < 1189885214 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: switching-to-a-new-client issues < 1189885233 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1189885235 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, getting Linkinus to realise that yes, damnit, you can connect there < 1189885242 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that yes, damnit, you can autoidentify me < 1189885289 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1189885305 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, GOD WHY DON'T YOU KNOW HOW TO USE NICKSERV LINKINUS < 1189885307 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-41-102.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1189885329 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't do server passwords? < 1189885343 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should < 1189885376 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the client tells the server, which tells nickserv, iiuc < 1189885408 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's try that again < 1189885417 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1189885457 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that doesn't work if you keep a reference to the start of [1,1..] < 1189885634 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1189885737 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: sorry, was making snacks < 1189885744 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(soon physics1) < 1189885763 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'sokay < 1189885839 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's why the Else. < 1189885848 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was wondering what the fuck was up with that :D < 1189885859 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but indeed, because you can do oneliners < 1189885865 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1189885869 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Else/Then < 1189886114 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1189886169 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: your parents read bash? < 1189886274 0 :SEO_DUDE55!i=Deee@gateway/tor/x-ce66e63c10ed424a JOIN :#esoteric < 1189886391 0 :SEO_DUDE75!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1189886442 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1189886549 0 :ehird`!n=ehird@user-5af069d2.wfd101.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1189886590 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe NOW it will work!!!!! < 1189886756 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're identified, at least < 1189887117 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1189887318 0 :ehird`!n=ehird@user-5af069d2.wfd101.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1189887350 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1189887404 0 :ehird`!n=ehird@user-5af069d2.wfd101.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1189887408 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1189887425 0 :ehird`!n=ehird@user-5af069d2.wfd101.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1189887427 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, so much for that theory. < 1189887457 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :colloquy is /almost/ better than this < 1189887460 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats saying a lot < 1189887471 0 :g4lt-sb100!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xchat FTW < 1189887479 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xchat aqua is fugly < 1189887511 0 :g4lt-sb100!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said it was pretty, I just said it works < 1189887616 0 :g4lt-sb100!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember, form FOLLOWS functionality, meaning it's about as worthless as teats on a boar hog without functionality < 1189888058 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1189888196 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g4lt-sb100: linkinius IS very functional... its just buggy :p < 1189888201 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully i seem to have fixed all that < 1189888216 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :famous last words :D < 1189888277 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has quit (Connection reset bbbby I$&A%$"X < 1189888283 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :READ ERROR < 1189888694 0 :RedDak!n=dak@87.18.81.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1189889166 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray beer < 1189889697 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to implement something! < 1189889717 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1189889775 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That parser programming language thing. I think I'll call it Redivider. < 1189889805 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it turing complete < 1189889809 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1189889840 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sifts through pastebin.ca posts < 1189889910 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this is the most recent one: http://pastebin.ca/679421 < 1189889959 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suddenly, I feel like playing a game instead. :-P < 1189889977 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a game in your language < 1189890576 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, yes, I could do that. < 1189890710 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! do so < 1189890754 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And here, have a weird writing system: "H. M. M-y. E. S-i c. O. U. L. D d. O t. H. A. T" < 1189890793 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sentences are concatenated, so if I wanted to say that twice for some reason, it'd be "H. M. M-y. E. S-i c. O. U. L. D d. O t. H. A. Th. M. M-y. E. S-i c. O. U. L. D d. O t. H. A. T" < 1189890807 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1189890821 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get the system behind that writing system < 1189890865 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fo" becomes "f. o" and vice versa; "f-o" becomes "f, o" and vice versa; "f o" remains "f o". < 1189890882 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1189890890 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1189890897 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except capitalization is correctified. :-P < 1189890897 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about f.o < 1189890917 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How often is that used? < 1189890938 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"H. M. M" < 1189890942 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1189890943 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1189890958 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're writing numbers, which this doesn't support :-) < 1189890974 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HMM, yES, i cOULD dO tHAT < 1189890984 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why did you mess up capitalization like that < 1189891008 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This way, every "sentence" has exactly one capital letter, which is at the beginning. < 1189891050 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no me understando < 1189891070 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :J. U. S. T t. O b. E w. E. I. R. D-I a. S. S. U. M. E < 1189891087 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Sentence" meaning something like "S-i c.") < 1189891147 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y. E. S-e. X. A. C. T. L. Y < 1189891185 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it should instead be "fo" <-> "f. o"; "f o" <-> "f, o". < 1189891212 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello world -> H. e. l. l. oW. o. r. l. d < 1189891212 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah < 1189891214 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as esoteric < 1189891232 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not "H. E. L. L. Ow. O. R. L. D"? < 1189891250 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hell. Ow. O RLD?) < 1189891267 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym "H. E. L. L. O w. O. R. L. D" < 1189891292 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about "hello world"? < 1189891314 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: this is #esoteric < 1189891600 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed. < 1189891604 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or ""H. E. L. L. O, w. O. R. L. D"" < 1189892276 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Modulo number of quotation marks.) < 1189894846 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modulo MY TURTLE! < 1189894867 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's TURTLES all the way down, but we IGNORE them! < 1189895639 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1189895772 0 :immibis!n=immibis@125-238-32-238.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1189896175 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1189896736 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TURTLES < 1189897132 0 :g4lt-sb100!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tehre's a channel for that kind of talk, mister < 1189897272 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TURTLES < 1189897311 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We's no sense-makers! < 1189897507 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TURTLES < 1189897538 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TURTLES < 1189897543 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHARKS < 1189897550 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOLPHINS < 1189897581 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JELLYFISH < 1189897597 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOLLUSKS < 1189897658 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TURTLES < 1189897674 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeat is fail < 1189897679 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TURTLES < 1189897680 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, totally, dude. < 1189897734 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VELOCIRAPTORS < 1189897843 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are three velociraptors in an equilateral triangle around you. < 1189897859 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one has a wounded leg and runs slower than the others < 1189897881 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two can run at 30mph. One has a gimp leg, and runs at 15mph. Where should you head towards to live the longest? < 1189897918 0 :g4lt-sb100!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :up < 1189897929 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it depend on your speed? < 1189897946 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I can run at c/2, just about any direction will do :-P < 1189898036 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can run at c*2, that's just great since you can go and undo whatever you did to get yourself surrounded by velociraptors... < 1189898054 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10mph. < 1189898077 0 :g4lt-sb100!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope, not only that, but relativistic mass means that the shouldr block you throw at one bewcomes MUCH more effective < 1189898106 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just run at a raptor if you hit c/2. < 1189898113 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Veliocraptors run at exactly c. < 1189898118 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So c/2 isn't good enough. < 1189898119 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c*2, yep. < 1189898132 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that we've got velociphotons. < 1189898154 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes we have < 1189898156 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION names a frequency the velociraptor frequency, where velociraptor waves are sent :p < 1189898158 0 :g4lt-sb100!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, then your mass becomes aleph-2, easily enough to get the velociraptor out of the way < 1189898173 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g4lt-sb100: Exactly! c*2 ftw. < 1189898183 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts a velociraptor laser < 1189898184 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The slow baby velociraptors only run at c-1. < 1189898192 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But then they grow up to run at c. < 1189898194 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot one thing about relativistic mass. the velociraptor _also_ increases in mass relative to you < 1189898209 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a collision may not be well-advised < 1189898224 0 :g4lt-sb100!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, only up to < 1189898227 0 :g4lt-sb100!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, only up to c < 1189898241 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My plan: < 1189898248 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Run a bit at c*2. < 1189898252 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :collisions at imaginary mass may not be well-understood yet < 1189898254 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undo whatever you did to run into the veliocraptors. < 1189898256 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be happy. < 1189898283 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do the velociraptors act, exactly? < 1189898288 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they always run straight at you? < 1189898299 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be cool if c was 50 km/h < 1189898314 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously, velociraptors read your mind < 1189898315 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: c is obviously 88 mph < 1189898316 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they always use the optimal strategy < 1189898320 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1189898332 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"uh, wasted a whole evening, well, i'll just go jogging and win back the time" < 1189898353 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1189898364 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i'm pretty sure that's flawed logic somehow, but you get the joke :P < 1189898371 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cars would own < 1189898375 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could arrive somewhere before you left < 1189898381 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1189898382 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hi! I'll arrive in about 5 minutes." < 1189898385 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh hi, second me!" < 1189898390 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second me: "I'll arrive in about 5 minutes." < 1189898394 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wouldn't mean you could get faster than c :| < 1189898395 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second me: "Oh hi, third me!" < 1189898397 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :................................. < 1189898404 0 :g4lt-sb100!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, if velociraptors read my mind, they'd run AWAY < 1189898427 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If c were bigger, would the universe be bigger, too? :-P < 1189898437 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g4lt-sb100: only if you are actually dangerous to them < 1189898481 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1189898496 0 :g4lt-sb100!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, does recasting one of the hannibal lechter movies with them as the victim count as dangerous? < 1189898504 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of processing power does it take to simulate a very small (therefore spherical, so there's no edges), relativistic universe? < 1189898509 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd think more than we have today < 1189898518 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g4lt-sb100: only if you can actually do it < 1189898520 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very small as in like I dunno, 10 miles :P < 1189898564 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: you mean with the physical laws we have now? < 1189898571 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what kind of universe < 1189898573 0 :g4lt-sb100!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "three velociraptors, which one of my seven guns do I draw for maximum bloodshed?" < 1189898575 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Maybe a simplified model of them. But yeah. < 1189898584 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the simplification :) < 1189898588 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Basically a relativistic universe with maybe even basic quantum mechanics < 1189898595 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 km wide, let's say, and spherical < 1189898597 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 miles to simulate == exactly 10 miles of computer... < 1189898602 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much processing power? < 1189898608 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g4lt-sb100: good you are prepared < 1189898643 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but unless you have a god to put the particles in the initial state right, you will have to use a much bigger comp of course < 1189898662 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think without an actual quantum computer, simulating a quantum system is exponential < 1189898676 0 :g4lt-sb100!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, that would just be a simple FSM-seeding program < 1189898678 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically itd require a hell of a lot of cpu, right < 1189898699 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g4lt-sb100: what? < 1189898716 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeding? < 1189898730 0 :g4lt-sb100!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to seed your universe, they make seeding programs for FSMs now, one speecifically for life < 1189898770 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by seeding, do you mean making the initial conditions? < 1189898788 0 :g4lt-sb100!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1189898793 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a god for that. < 1189898800 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the measurement problem < 1189898806 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name of which i don't know < 1189898817 0 :g4lt-sb100!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's truee, Conway is God < 1189898821 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(can't know speed & location simultaneously) < 1189898833 0 :g4lt-sb100!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heisenberg uncertainty < 1189898839 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1189898862 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, haven't even heard that name < 1189898885 0 :g4lt-sb100!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's only MEASURE. however, snsitivity to initial conditions means that if you blow one placeement, you get a vastly differig universe < 1189898934 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily, just probably :) < 1189898954 0 :g4lt-sb100!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think that the metastable universes are few and far between, you'd prolly have a dead universe in minutes in most cases < 1189898955 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i guess probably enough to say necessarily... i'll stop cutting hairs) < 1189898973 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well depends on the rules of the automaton... < 1189899017 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, it'd be a bit hard to simulate the universe without using itself, since we don't know what the rule is for our physical world yet < 1189899022 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1189899034 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you'd use it for the computation, because it's all you have :P < 1189899046 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like, using like a computer would be impossible < 1189899050 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we don't know the rule < 1189899079 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess anderson knows < 1189899105 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking it has something to do with nullity < 1189899128 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaagh < 1189899134 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not nullity < 1189899136 0 :g4lt-sb100!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, rule 1: NULLITY DOESN'T WORK, YOU MORON < 1189899143 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that guy's a freak < 1189899186 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infidels < 1189899230 0 :g4lt-sb100!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, so? < 1189899256 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do not ruin my punchlines! < 1189899274 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick poll: atheists raise their hands! < 1189899277 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o/ < 1189899288 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(we have too little random polls here...) < 1189899297 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION raises hand < 1189899326 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(believers can lower their hands so we don't confuse them with idlers :)) < 1189899370 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION believes in the god esoteric < 1189899412 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION raises hand < 1189899459 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION raises verbal hand too < 1189899493 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta go do physics, god that's boring shit -> < 1189899630 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should work on PSOX :/ < 1189900331 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves